Agentgates´s TPU setup with strange wavehill hump

[victore]

I believe that's why he said "sprung center" so that the distance between the rings would be adjusted as opposed to the wire length.

edit: I'm sorry. You're right the secondary coils would need to change length. I'll go back to silent observing!

I had a similar idea some days ago:

On a very side note (from a PC hero without any testing skills):
_{I am sure some of you thought already about changing the 45 degrees later on.
I was thinking of a variable angle toroid, which would have a plastic ring on top and also at the bottom (for holding the primaries), and these two could be twisted independently from eachother, connected with a plastic rod in the middle of the toroid. Of course, the upper ring would go a bit up/down, in order not to damage the primary winding.
In other words, the primaries would be sitting on these twistable rings, while the secondary would be still on a PVC/toalet paper  .
Thus, you could tune the angle while the device is turned on.}

What i don't understand is why would you need to modify the collector coil? Can't it remain untouched, while the inner primary coil is being adjusted independently?

Viktor

[Talath]

Victor,  I thought about that too.  With the "convertible" model, the secondary diameter would need to change too.  Unfortunately as the notched rings are rotated, there is no solid wall to support the outer primary windings.  Winding the primaries on a fixed tube produces a curved outer primary winding path and a straight inner winding path.  The difference in distance between the inner and outer primary winding elements is shortest at the tube ends, and longest half-way up (or down) the tube height.  It isn't constant.  With the "convertible" notched-ring model proposed above, the distance between the inner and outer elements of the primary windings would be constant.  As you counter-rotate the notched rings, it would produce a primary coil with a waist, as viewed from the outside, and an iris, as viewed down the bore.

[hartiberlin]

Little bulb connected to the collector coil. Shines bright (P~2.5W). Collector made with AWG20 insulated wire. Rectifying diode and capacitor 180u connected as well. Scope shot shows voltage on the bulb and capacitor. Voltage is DC 9.7V "with some hash on it"

@Lindsay
Thanks

@MACEDONIA CD
I do believe in TPU working, you misunderstood me. Please do not write like that any more without knowing what I think

Hi beboszek,
please can you let us know, where your ground line is on the scope ?
Is it in the center ?
So did you connect the scopeheads inverted so this voltage
goes negative ?

Otherwise well done, but what was your input power ?

As you have a dual trace scope, please also show your
driver signal at the input coil in the second beam.

This negative hump wavehill is very interesting and we
have to find out, how this is generated.
Many thanks for your efforts.

Regards, Stefan.

[bullsnbears1]

Can someone please tell me where the latest greatest coil layout is located in this thread? The one that definitively shows the correct layout/ angle/ # of legs, etc. Thanks

[pauldude000]

I have no Idea except that particles are being moved along wire as I have not seen before.

It is as perplexing as it is is  exciting

I agree, it is quite perplexing. We might be talking about new particles. Truthfully, it would not surprise me at all to find that what we have called "electricity", comprised more particles than just merely electrons.

the field is above and below the unit but not much to the side.

It has a polarity and creates dc pulse  in  wire imersed in it

That IS the boggle isn't it?

If it were purely magnetic, we would expect alternating current pulses with each commensurate field collapse. At an even 45 degrees winding in relation to a horizontal coil, we should see little or no magnetic re-action from the horizontal coil. The magnetic field is almost uncoupled from the horizontal coil.

Something most have ignored throughout our entire trek on this project is that these collectors, or "secondaries".... should not be putting out jack squat. The magnetic field generated by a vertical coil should be completely uncoupled from a horizontal coil placed within it's influence. That is the technique we use to PREVENT inductors from reacting to each other in close proximity!

The loads seems to have little or no effect on the primary accelerator circuit.

As far as the load not affecting the primary effect.... that is the only reason I am getting excited again.... Mangneto(field) and Electro (field) friction.... Consider Newton.

An object in motion tends to stay in motion, and conversely an object at rest tends to stay at rest. This is as true with fields and packets as it is with particles (which are just packets themselves).

Yet, what causes entropy in a field system? Why does any motional field degrade over time?

Friction...... Forces of drag which it encounters from anything placed in the field with which it interacts kinetically.

For every action there is an equal and opposite re-action. Press on an electron or other particle to push it into motion, and it pushes back, just as a 'for instance'.

For the load not to affect the driving force, friction has to be removed. That is why I am excited.

An imbalance or charge slope has been created somewhere, somehow, which allows something to press on something else greater than the inherent back-pressure.

It should not be moving, yet it is.

The primary switch on time time must be fast.

It is not frequency dependant but frequency has an effect on how may pulses are there.

If this device can be syncronised with itself it seems many things might be possible.

The primary switch time is the problem with semiconductors. Examine a tube. Current is applied, and a beam of electrons blasts through the vacuum an strikes a plate, and is absorbed extremely quickly into the system. As a switch, it can be compared to a solenoid operated gate valve.

A semiconductor however.... You apply electricity, and it builds to saturation then conducts fully. However the conduction is not instantaneous, as it actually starts conducting slight amounts of electricity long BEFORE the hypothetical valve is fully open. It can be compared to a hand operated ball valve in this instance.

I have no choice but disagree on the next statement. Please bear with me on this for a moment. The unit IS HIGHLY frequency dependent, and probably critically so. I think the EFFECT ITSELF is not critically frequency dependent, it is geometrically dependent. The EFFICIENCY is critically frequency dependent component.

The specific frequency would then be determined solely upon the circumference of the affected collector. The field spin up would not have to be dependent upon frequency, but the greatest potential slope for a given section of collector would most definitely be node dependent, and therefore frequency specific.

Many things may well be possible, which we have not even dreamed of yet with this concept.

placing an alluminium can in the centre kills the effect

Which brings us back to two things. Field type and friction. Think about these two things, and ask yourself why. Several possible answers should jump out at you almost immediately.

Tonys explanation is still the best but it is ony for the purpose of visualization.

Untill i can see an electron or whatever they are ,I remain ignorant with the possibility that a better understanding on my part will develop.

I agree, agentgates has done an admirable job.

We are all guessing as far as the nature of the lowly electron, as well as other 'supposed' particles. Don't feel alone in this.

Class has begun , now go and get some wire and a tube and join in with no expectation other than you will enjoy the process.
Wether this is ou or not is not important to me at this point

I intend to build, and have the equiptment....... So long as my mother-in-law didn't destroy it.... You know what sucks?

Coming back from a week long vacation, to find your parent-in-laws moved into your den, which is also your lab.....

and see a pile of sensitive expensive equipment haphazardly thrown in a pile because 'it was in the way'.......... My B&K oscilloscope for instance had a hand axe, a pile of tools, and a function generator just thrown on top of it.

I have been too depressed to even check them out yet. If they ARE broken, I can do nothing about it. Even if not, can I trust their output as still calibrated?

This sucks. Possibly four grand down the drain because of impatience.

Paul Andrulis