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Solid State Orbo System

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gyulasun

#330
February 25, 2010, 09:23:07 AM
Quote from: Bruce_TPU on February 24, 2010, 09:43:16 PM

Hello ALL,

Can anyone say...WEIRD..lol.  I just added a blue A, this is the third in series, brightly lit, and NEW output voltage....   8 volts  !!! 
...

@Bruce

Magluvin nicely answered your question and may I add that LEDs are like Zener diodes but they conduct in the forward direction with these forward voltages depending on their color. Under their forward voltage threshold they do not conduct.  So they must have a positive polarity received at their anode wrt their cathode, and this voltage must be a bit higher than the threshold forward voltage, otherwise no light can come out. And in the reverse direction they do not conduct at all, till the reverse voltage reach a so called reverse breakdown voltage, this latter ranging from 7-8V to over 10V or so, LED-type dependent.

If you find the frequency increases as you add more LEDs, then probably the loading effect of the LEDs that they have on your output changes: more LEDs mean decreasing loading current while the output voltage increases. If you try using loading resistors instead of the LEDs, in an increasing value order, like 100 Ohm, 200 Ohm 500 Ohm etc and you also find the frequency changes you may check this.  However, using resistors will mean the load is connected in every moment while in case of the LEDs they conduct in every second half wave of the output waveform only-- (here I assume you do not use a full wave bridge in front of the LEDs) --whenever the peak voltage exceeds the forward voltage of the LED(s), and this is a huge difference in the load.

@Magluvin
To answer your blue LED question, Bruce meant he added a third (a blue) LED in series with the previous two, so the total forward voltage drop (8V) was the sum of the three diodes drop, ok?  By the way, Bruce has a "built-in" resistor in the coil (and can serve for the LED as a limit resistor if you like) because the DC resistance of his coils is 753 Ohms, huge number of turns made from thin wire.

rgds, Gyula

Bruce_TPU

#331
February 25, 2010, 02:54:23 PM
Quote from: gyulasun on February 25, 2010, 09:23:07 AM
@Bruce

Magluvin nicely answered your question and may I add that LEDs are like Zener diodes but they conduct in the forward direction with these forward voltages depending on their color. Under their forward voltage threshold they do not conduct.  So they must have a positive polarity received at their anode wrt their cathode, and this voltage must be a bit higher than the threshold forward voltage, otherwise no light can come out. And in the reverse direction they do not conduct at all, till the reverse voltage reach a so called reverse breakdown voltage, this latter ranging from 7-8V to over 10V or so, LED-type dependent.

If you find the frequency increases as you add more LEDs, then probably the loading effect of the LEDs that they have on your output changes: more LEDs mean decreasing loading current while the output voltage increases. If you try using loading resistors instead of the LEDs, in an increasing value order, like 100 Ohm, 200 Ohm 500 Ohm etc and you also find the frequency changes you may check this.  However, using resistors will mean the load is connected in every moment while in case of the LEDs they conduct in every second half wave of the output waveform only-- (here I assume you do not use a full wave bridge in front of the LEDs) --whenever the peak voltage exceeds the forward voltage of the LED(s), and this is a huge difference in the load.

@Magluvin
To answer your blue LED question, Bruce meant he added a third (a blue) LED in series with the previous two, so the total forward voltage drop (8V) was the sum of the three diodes drop, ok?  By the way, Bruce has a "built-in" resistor in the coil (and can serve for the LED as a limit resistor if you like) because the DC resistance of his coils is 753 Ohms, huge number of turns made from thin wire.

rgds, Gyula

Outstanding explanation Gyula.  Thank you! And thank you also Mags.

@Aaron
I will do this later on.  This morning I broke my unit back down to 1 coil.  I have some weird TPU'ish (new word!) ideas I want to play with this afternoon with the setup and see what I see..

@All
It would seem that the magnet within the center of the toroid accounts for much of the output voltage.  So, what do we do with that knowledge?  I want to wind my brooks as a toroid and then wrap a wrapping around that, with an additional magnet and see what I see.

Cheers,

Bruce
http://www.energyfreedomreport.com

1.  Lindsay's Stack TPU Posted Picture.  All Wound CCW  Collectors three turns and HORIZONTAL, not vertical.

2.  3 Tube amps, sending three frequency's, each having two signals, one in-phase & one inverted 180 deg, opposing signals in each collector (via control wires). 

3.  Collector is Magnetic Loop Antenna, made of lamp chord wire, wound flat.  Inside loop is antenna, outside loop is for output.  First collector is tuned via tuned tank, to the fundamental.  Second collector is tuned tank to the second harmonic (component).  Third collector is tuned tank to the third harmonic (component)  Frequency is determined by taking the circumference frequency, reducing the size by .88 inches.  Divide this frequency by 1000, and you have your second harmonic.  Divide this by 2 and you have your fundamental.  Multiply that by 3 and you have your third harmonic component.  Tune the collectors to each of these.  Input the fundamental and two modulation frequencies, made to create replicas of the fundamental, second harmonic and the third.

4.  The three frequency's circulating in the collectors, both in phase and inverted, begin to create hundreds of thousands of created frequency's, via intermodulation, that subtract to the fundamental and its harmonics.  This is called "Catalyst".

5.  The three AC PURE sine signals, travel through the amplification stage, Nonlinear, producing the second harmonic and third.  (distortion)

6.  These signals then travel the control coils, are rectified by a full wave bridge, and then sent into the output outer loop as all positive pulsed DC.  This then becomes the output and "collects" the current.

P.S.  The Kicks are harmonic distortion with passive intermodulation.  Can't see it without a spectrum analyzer, normally unless trained to see it on a scope.

Bruce_TPU

#332
February 25, 2010, 08:07:27 PM
Evening ALL,

Tonight, I have changed my LED's for 10mm White LED, with an intensity of 28,500 mcd.  Forward current is 20mA and Forward supply is 3.5 volts.

I am at 2.5 volts output, using one coil, lighting up (not completely) my new LED.  I have a lot of new ideas to try and will be easier with one coil.  If any of them work, I can do it to the additional two pickups.

I will let you know as always,

Bruce
http://energyfreedomreport.com
1.  Lindsay's Stack TPU Posted Picture.  All Wound CCW  Collectors three turns and HORIZONTAL, not vertical.

2.  3 Tube amps, sending three frequency's, each having two signals, one in-phase & one inverted 180 deg, opposing signals in each collector (via control wires). 

3.  Collector is Magnetic Loop Antenna, made of lamp chord wire, wound flat.  Inside loop is antenna, outside loop is for output.  First collector is tuned via tuned tank, to the fundamental.  Second collector is tuned tank to the second harmonic (component).  Third collector is tuned tank to the third harmonic (component)  Frequency is determined by taking the circumference frequency, reducing the size by .88 inches.  Divide this frequency by 1000, and you have your second harmonic.  Divide this by 2 and you have your fundamental.  Multiply that by 3 and you have your third harmonic component.  Tune the collectors to each of these.  Input the fundamental and two modulation frequencies, made to create replicas of the fundamental, second harmonic and the third.

4.  The three frequency's circulating in the collectors, both in phase and inverted, begin to create hundreds of thousands of created frequency's, via intermodulation, that subtract to the fundamental and its harmonics.  This is called "Catalyst".

5.  The three AC PURE sine signals, travel through the amplification stage, Nonlinear, producing the second harmonic and third.  (distortion)

6.  These signals then travel the control coils, are rectified by a full wave bridge, and then sent into the output outer loop as all positive pulsed DC.  This then becomes the output and "collects" the current.

P.S.  The Kicks are harmonic distortion with passive intermodulation.  Can't see it without a spectrum analyzer, normally unless trained to see it on a scope.

Bruce_TPU

#333
February 25, 2010, 08:24:43 PM
Edit 1:

All of my Brooks coils have a seperate bias winding on them.  I have not wired or tested them... until now.  New Voltage One Coil: 2.9 volts
1.  Lindsay's Stack TPU Posted Picture.  All Wound CCW  Collectors three turns and HORIZONTAL, not vertical.

2.  3 Tube amps, sending three frequency's, each having two signals, one in-phase & one inverted 180 deg, opposing signals in each collector (via control wires). 

3.  Collector is Magnetic Loop Antenna, made of lamp chord wire, wound flat.  Inside loop is antenna, outside loop is for output.  First collector is tuned via tuned tank, to the fundamental.  Second collector is tuned tank to the second harmonic (component).  Third collector is tuned tank to the third harmonic (component)  Frequency is determined by taking the circumference frequency, reducing the size by .88 inches.  Divide this frequency by 1000, and you have your second harmonic.  Divide this by 2 and you have your fundamental.  Multiply that by 3 and you have your third harmonic component.  Tune the collectors to each of these.  Input the fundamental and two modulation frequencies, made to create replicas of the fundamental, second harmonic and the third.

4.  The three frequency's circulating in the collectors, both in phase and inverted, begin to create hundreds of thousands of created frequency's, via intermodulation, that subtract to the fundamental and its harmonics.  This is called "Catalyst".

5.  The three AC PURE sine signals, travel through the amplification stage, Nonlinear, producing the second harmonic and third.  (distortion)

6.  These signals then travel the control coils, are rectified by a full wave bridge, and then sent into the output outer loop as all positive pulsed DC.  This then becomes the output and "collects" the current.

P.S.  The Kicks are harmonic distortion with passive intermodulation.  Can't see it without a spectrum analyzer, normally unless trained to see it on a scope.

Bruce_TPU

#334
February 25, 2010, 11:53:03 PM
Evening All,

Well, I have learned much tonight.  I did not even get to the experiments with wrapping the brooks, because of so many other things I was trying. 

For best results, I think I will need to wind my new toroid that will fully saturate and test with those.  It is extremely sensitive.  put a magnet the wrong way, cut your output by half, etc.

@Mags,

I think the best bet to make this work into OU, is to wire SEVERAL toroids, that saturate, in series with one another.  Have each one "power" a pickup coil, and make these into a toroid itself...HEY, that looks like JLN Labs graphic then...LOL  Wire some more Mags and put them in series.  Play with the magnetic pole orientations, and make sure your toroid is saturating.  Best advice I can give.

Pictured below is my one coil SSG1.  Hand turned even at super slow speeds.

Cheers,

Bruce
http://www.energyfreedomreport.com
1.  Lindsay's Stack TPU Posted Picture.  All Wound CCW  Collectors three turns and HORIZONTAL, not vertical.

2.  3 Tube amps, sending three frequency's, each having two signals, one in-phase & one inverted 180 deg, opposing signals in each collector (via control wires). 

3.  Collector is Magnetic Loop Antenna, made of lamp chord wire, wound flat.  Inside loop is antenna, outside loop is for output.  First collector is tuned via tuned tank, to the fundamental.  Second collector is tuned tank to the second harmonic (component).  Third collector is tuned tank to the third harmonic (component)  Frequency is determined by taking the circumference frequency, reducing the size by .88 inches.  Divide this frequency by 1000, and you have your second harmonic.  Divide this by 2 and you have your fundamental.  Multiply that by 3 and you have your third harmonic component.  Tune the collectors to each of these.  Input the fundamental and two modulation frequencies, made to create replicas of the fundamental, second harmonic and the third.

4.  The three frequency's circulating in the collectors, both in phase and inverted, begin to create hundreds of thousands of created frequency's, via intermodulation, that subtract to the fundamental and its harmonics.  This is called "Catalyst".

5.  The three AC PURE sine signals, travel through the amplification stage, Nonlinear, producing the second harmonic and third.  (distortion)

6.  These signals then travel the control coils, are rectified by a full wave bridge, and then sent into the output outer loop as all positive pulsed DC.  This then becomes the output and "collects" the current.

P.S.  The Kicks are harmonic distortion with passive intermodulation.  Can't see it without a spectrum analyzer, normally unless trained to see it on a scope.
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