Crystal Power CeLL by John Hutchison

[ian middleton]

G'day all.

Just a quick update.  On the 9th of December 2010 cell 2009-4 had been running a watch for a whole year. Happy birthday cell 2009-4 
I measured the terminal voltage in July and it was 1.147V. In December the voltage was slightly higher at 1.154V.
I am confident that this cell will see it's 2nd birthday.

@mrbr00k5   Wow! good work mate.

All the best for the New Year
Regards Ian

[mscoffman]

Hi Ian, thank you for the update!

@All

Interesting Article here;
Web Link to an article on the unusual Romanian Karpen’s Pile Battery;

“Karpen's perpetual motion machine now sits secured right in the director's office. It
has been called "the uniform-temperature thermoelectric pile," and the first prototype
was built in the 1950s. Although it should have stopped working decades ago, it
didn't.”

“The 'Karpen's Pile' has one of its electrodes made of gold, the other of platinum,
and the electrolyte (the liquid that the two electrodes are immersed in), is high-
purity sulfuric acid."

http://uk.ibtimes.com/articles/20101227/karpen-039pilebattery-produces-energy-continuously-since-1950-exists-romanian-museum.htm

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Sounds a little bit like the organic acid batteries where the electrolyte
is not powerful enough to adversely affect the electrodes. While the
electrolyte is powerful H2SO4 in this case, it is still apparently no match
for the anticorrosion properties of the two metals used in the electrodes.


:S:MarkSCoffman

[Koen1]

@ Ian:'G'day mate! Sorry to hear you're having health problems again (or still). Perhaps you should try some Ormus, easily made from sea water... Some people claim it really has beneficial effects.
But it is good to hear you're still tinkering with the Cells a little.

@ mrbr00k5: Very nice looking cells there! I also like the way you try different combinations and mixes of
ingredients, your reasoning at least seems to go a long way in the right direction.
I'm not entirely sure about a few of your ingredients, since for example calcium chloride is typically very
hydroscopic and will absorb and retain a lot of water (from the air moisture alone even)... and I have the
idea that we want to try and keep the cell free of water to make sure there's no common galvanic/electro-
chemical reactions taking place, since that would render it another chemical battery.
Oh, LOL I just noticed that MScoffman said the same thing about calcium chloride
Still, you're clearly quite actively experimenting with Cell compositions and in my opinion that is really good.
Keep it up and let's hope you find a mixture that produces huge output forever!

@ null-points: Thanks! and I shall certainly check out your thread to read up on your work. The switched
charge stuff was interesting so I'll see what you've worked out in the mean time.

@ MScoffman: I noticed the Karpen Battery popping up recently too. Indeed, it seems like the sulfuric acid
is electrochemically active enough to act as a battery electrolyte, but not reactive enough to actually corrode
the gold and platinum electrodes. Now it just so happens that gold is indeed not corroded by sulfuric acid, nor by
hydrochloric, nor by nitric acid. These are typically the strongest acids around, and they tend to corrode other
metals easily. To corrode gold, a special mixture of hydrochloric and nitric acid is required. The Platinum metals,
on the other hand, tend to corrode easier, and they easily corrode in those other acids. Seems to me that the
Platinum might corrode, but the gold will not, in the Karpen sulfuric acid. So there can be no galvanic reaction
taking place between the gold and the electrolyte... Which I suspect results in a surface reaction with the Platinum, that "wants to" give up its electrons and surface atoms, and while the thermally active electrolyte
is eager to take up the electrons (which can be shared and distributed throughout the medium by thermal excitation and brownian movement), the atoms that might come loose from the platinum surface probably
"fall" back to it. I suspect those act as tiny oscillating charge-carriers on the boundary surface, never really
"coming loose" from the platinum surface. And I suspect the entire thing is driven by thermal energy contained
in (and absorbed from the environment by) the acid solution.
That's just a rough preliminary guesstimate though.
Since the device apparently needs the tiny motor to continuously make and break the connections to each
of the two seperate cells in the Karpen setup, and since mention is made of the required "break" time to recharge
the cell between discharges, there also appears to be much similarity with Electrets.
After all, an electret also builds up a charge, which can be collected by connecting the electret to a capacitor or
something alike, and after that the best option is to disconnect the electret again and allow it to build up its
charge again, before taking it off again. In that respect, the Karpen setup could actually be an electrostatic
battery... And since I cannot find any mention in any of the sources of the output being a continuous DC, I am
starting to suspect it indeed is a static charge source and not a current source.

Oh right,
@everybody: I may be slow to reply in the forum as I don't have much time at the moment, but if anyone wants to discuss or ask anything you are always welcome to send me a PM here. Those always get forwarded to my email account so I will certainly get them, and will reply if possible.

All the best to all you guys (and gals), and
Keep up the good work! Free Energy Revolution!

Best regards,
Koen

[mscoffman]

My supsicion is that the Karpen cell is actually a cross between an
acid/metal storage battery and and Infared Pickup Sensor that is
charged up during the day by solar infrared energy coming through
the roof of the building and which it is stored in the weak battery
rather then a continous Maxwell's Demon operating from statistical
mechanical heat energy. The gold/platinum would make a weak
electrolyte battery - even if the electrolyte is chemically relatively
strong, while the metals themselves are similar to metals pairs found
in IR cells. It seems like that would work.

:S:MarkSCoffman

[dimbulb]

G'day all,

Bill.  It did cross my mind about making a solar heated array from these cells. I've had the 19-2010 cell at a constant temperature of 58.5 oC ( 137.3F) for 24 hours now and it's output current hasn't budged from 442uA ( 0.44mA).  I will increase the temperature later today and see how it goes. To early to say with the few data points I have whether or not the current rise is linear with increasing temp.

The next step of course is to go back and look at all the past cells ( 428) to see if they have the same characteristics. That will be a job and a half.

Here is the listing for this cell:
0.25g copper oxide (black)
6.5g   pumice
6.5g   tourmaline
4.0g   iron pyrites
1.2g   iron oxide  (red)
15g    sodium carbonate

Crush everything to a fine powder (wear face mask). Add water to make a thin paste and then cook the crap out of it for 3 hours. Notice that no sodium silicate was used.
The chemical reaction during cooking produces the silicate.
Standard Al tube but used a 3mm silver brazing rod for the +ve.
This cell needed time to dry and set so be patient.

I'll be back soon with an update.
Cheers
Ian

For those of you working hard on crystal battery, John Bedini  has opened a new door
with his mg/carbon/alum crystal battery
All the ingedients to this stack of cookies is ready to go.
It is too soon to know exactly what form the tiny crystals will grow in the moist clothe
between the graphite and the magnesium. Even though his initial voltage is .75V per cell
and getting 17V output and able to run a super bright. The cell will go decrease.
replication does not require guess work. i believe the molecular hex magnesium structure
will influence the tiny alum crystals and the moist but not wet clothe along with the outer
plastic casing keeping out CO2 is the equation to this new pile.

see bedini earthlight light on nrgetic 4um page 1 video 6