Crystal Power CeLL by John Hutchison

[ian middleton]

G'day all,

Some very interesting info floating about, well done all.
@mdmiller: Thanks for the posts.
@Koen: I agree, any info coming from JH these days has to be viewed with a bit of caution. However I'm interested in the tests
Dr Ludwig has done on some of his cells.
Quote
"The big one in a platic container about the size of an old film can is the best performer. Around .55 Volt and up to .15 mA. Another big one in a small silver plated pipe with a brass rod in the middle is having .15 Volt and give .01 mA. With a load of 50 kOhm the power slowly drops. The ones in the gun shells and in the cigarette filter I have not tested to much, but I have now set up nice measuring units that take long and accurate readings. I am now getting ready to activate the ones that give now volt at the moment (about half of the samples)"

I'm specifically looking at the " .15V @ 0.01 mA cell and "with a load of 50Kohms power slowly drops"
I'm going to compare  this with my Pyrites cell.
At this time the pyrites cell is holding at .23Volts @ 0.025mA with a 15Kohm load. If I remove the load the voltage quickly rises to
1.283 Volts.
I'm going to revisit the formula for this one. That would put me back with tourmaline.
Hmmm  very interesting.

@Koen, again:  In your extensive archive, do you have any informatiom about the actual test results obtained by TT Brown with his
tungsten carbide battery/electret. I can't seem find any reference to voltage and current output after polarization.

Now fingers crossed, lets hope I don't have to type this again, theres something funny going on with this web site.

Catch you later

Ian

[Koen1]

@Koen: I agree, any info coming from JH these days has to be viewed with a bit of caution. However I'm interested in the tests
Dr Ludwig has done on some of his cells.

Yes, of course I will not dismiss test data on Hutchisons cells, that is interesting and usefull info.
It does strike me as a bit odd that JH did apparently give that Ludwig fellow cells to test, but does not
reply to any emails with questions about them... But that does not mean Ludwigs tests are not interesting.

I'm specifically looking at the " .15V @ 0.01 mA cell and "with a load of 50Kohms power slowly drops"
I'm going to compare  this with my Pyrites cell.
At this time the pyrites cell is holding at .23Volts @ 0.025mA with a 15Kohm load. If I remove the load the voltage quickly rises to
1.283 Volts.
I'm going to revisit the formula for this one. That would put me back with tourmaline.
Hmmm  very interesting.

Ha that's what I thought as well. Plus, that type of output seems to be much closer to the cells we're making than
the claimed 3V3A output... So perhaps the reason for John being so secretive is simply that we are getting too close
for his liking eh?

@Koen, again:  In your extensive archive, do you have any informatiom about the actual test results obtained by TT Brown with his
tungsten carbide battery/electret. I can't seem find any reference to voltage and current output after polarization.

I shall don my miners cap and start digging for you.

Now fingers crossed, lets hope I don't have to type this again, theres something funny going on with this web site.

Hmmyes, there seems to be something wrong the past couple of days eh?
Here's a trick: after you have typed your reply, do a quick ctrl+a followed by ctrl+c, and only then press "post".
That way you at least have all of your text if the site chooses to crash on you, and you can simply
paste it in a new reply window. You had probably thought of that already and I only mention it just in case
you hadn't.

[mdmiller]

I am curious if any of you making your own rochelle salts have tried a cell assembly while the mix is still honey.  In other words, using the honey for the mix vehicle.  Since the super-saturated honey doesn't contain much water after crystalizing, at least the stuff I made seemed fairly dry once the salt had formed it could be dried out with the crystals forming in the mix and without having to apply too much heat.  From what I understand, too much heat will impact the piezo nature of the salt.  I would evaporate the honey down, add the remaining exotic ingredients and load the cell.  I'd probably stick it in the fridge where the super-cooled crystals will form quickly.  Other options would be to add neo mags to polarize which seems to get the crystals to form quickly (although there seems to be some type of exothermic reaction that suddenly takes place), and maybe put a 'C' clamp on the ends and crank it down to pressurize the crystal.  Then pop in a low-temp oven to remove the remaining moisture and seal up with paraffin. Welcome any feedback including 'that is a dumb idea.' - Duane

[ian middleton]

G'day all,

@Duane That's the dumbest idea I've ever heard.... I'll give it a go 
Actually that would be a very interesting experiment to perform. I'll run some tests this week.
God I hope I get a life by Christmas.
One thing I do know is that rochelle salt crystals will not form in a sodium silicate solution, it just produces a black precipitate.

The only major problem I can see with this method is the drying time. Any excess heat after the crystals have formed in the matrix may compromise their structure. But until it is tested, we can't be sure. Keep them ideas coming mate.


Yesterday I re-made a pyrites cell using exactly the same ratios as the first. Only instead of water in the mix I used molten rochelle salt. Also I made both positive and negative electrodes out of aluminium. That takes out the dissimilar metals factor.

Well what do you know, the voltage and current turned out to be the same as the first cell.
If nothing else it means these things can be duplicated.(test results )

Ok I'm off to make a "wet" cell. catch you later.

Ian

[AbbaRue]

Read my post on homemade diodes.
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=612.new;topicseen#new
Using aluminum for both plates could cause the cell to suddenly stop working because of the diode effect.
Perhaps a better approach would be to take advantage of the diode effect and use Stainless Steel and aluminum.
And that way if there is any AC from the piezoelectric effect it will get filtered out as well.
It's difficult to avoid the diode effect when you consider that many oxides are semiconductors.
Zinc oxide, aluminum oxide, and copper oxide are.