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Started by jadon1979, September 23, 2010, 12:29:48 AM

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jadon1979

Drag would be a good thing... depending on the RPM you're able to pull out of the wind turbines you might burn them out.  I do not know how to do the math for figuring how many revolutions you'd get out of (example) 20mph wind... the point would be to achieve max output of the turbine without going over it.  I know many variables come into play on this but I do not see it being anywhere near the RPM that this could potentially push out (which will more than likely be a few thousand easily with torque considered)

twinbeard

Quote from: jadon1979 on September 23, 2010, 02:30:13 AM
Drag would be a good thing... depending on the RPM you're able to pull out of the wind turbines you might burn them out.  I do not know how to do the math for figuring how many revolutions you'd get out of (example) 20mph wind... the point would be to achieve max output of the turbine without going over it.  I know many variables come into play on this but I do not see it being anywhere near the RPM that this could potentially push out (which will more than likely be a few thousand easily with torque considered)

Not sure you quite understand what I am getting at... Lenz will stall your rotor out once you start drawing power from your output stage, unless you use one of the very clever methods available to make him work for you instead of against you.  Watch the videos... learn a few things;)  No off the shelf generator will have the properties you need.  At very minimum you will need to rewind and tune the coils.

Cheers,
Twinbeard

jadon1979

You are understanding what is going on here right?  The Rodin Coil is causing the Neosphere to spin inside of the Casing.... the neosphere acts like a rotor.... the rods are attached to the Neosphere and mounted to the prop for the wind turbine.  We're replacing wind with the rod... which in this case to save some cash will probably be plastic ones.  The Rodin receives from one of the wind turbines.  The generators are not in contact with the magnetic field of the Rodin.  There would need to be a storage medium between generator A and the Rodin and some nifty voltage regulation.  How will lenz stall the rotor?

twinbeard

Quote from: jadon1979 on September 23, 2010, 02:54:09 AM
You are understanding what is going on here right?  The Rodin Coil is causing the Neosphere to spin inside of the Casing.... the neosphere acts like a rotor.... the rods are attached to the Neosphere and mounted to the prop for the wind turbine.  We're replacing wind with the rod... which in this case to save some cash will probably be plastic ones.  The Rodin receives from one of the wind turbines.  The generators are not in contact with the magnetic field of the Rodin.  There would need to be a storage medium between generator A and the Rodin and some nifty voltage regulation.  How will lenz stall the rotor?

Watch the videos, lad.  You will see how well I know whats going on;)  Lenz will stall you in your output stage.  The counter MMF will bring your rotor to a halt quicklike because of the mechanical linkage to the prime mover, as soon as you put that output stage on load.  That is, unless you both wind your coils so they act capacitively such that they will phase shift the output AND create a relatively low reluctance flux path between the prime mover and the output stage.  That means you have to rewind your coils, and you still have to hit a minimum frequency threshold of about 1000hz to do so.  I am not trying to discourage you... in fact, the quality of your model is why I bothered to respond.  There are details you are not seeing which will cause what you diagrammed to fail without you fully understanding them.  Also, you are going to melt right through that lexan at high frequency.  Trust me on that one; I speak from experience.

jadon1979

Not trying to be argumentative.. saying that first off... and thanks for the model comment... I threw it together in max. 

Now:  Maybe I am misunderstanding you.... I am performing the same exact thing the wind is.  Unless I am reading you wrong... I have been reading up on Lenz but do not understand how it's a serious factor in base model.  If I buy a wind turbine... replace the back tire on a stationary bike with it.. it will produce.   I can store that energy... instead of a bike chain I have a system that produces many more revolutions.  The rotor on the generator can't stall.  I'm not passing any Electricity to the generator... I'm just turning it's prop to produce electricity.  In the meantime till I can get said turbines I plan on building homemade generators.  They will act the same exact way...  turn the wheel .. produce..

Again,  I'm not trying to be argumentative I'm just trying to get a read on what you're saying.  If I apply what you're saying about this design then I have to apply it to all wind turbines and that they will all stall. 

P.S.  You should look my name up on here I have a few really cool models up.