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You mentioned fluoride. Are you opposed to fluoridation?
Mike Adams, the Health Ranger and Editor of Naturalnews.com can likely be reached there.
Regards...
It seems odd that you would list a set of ideas by someone you are promoting, but then decline to state whether or not you share those ideas. If you don't share the ideas, then why are you soliciting help promoting them?
'I never got where I am today by being baited by trolls'
- C.J. - The Fall and Rise of Reginald Perrin
Really? Your response to polite questions is ad hominem attack? How does that measure up against your claim that you mirror the treatment that you receive?
This troll, like all trolls thrive in the land of semantics...all the while mars what was a nice clean informative thread.
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Readers, please disregard the disruptive actions of the baiting troll and focus on the information at hand.
There will be more, trolls always like to have the last word unless they get a bloody nose.
Regards...
Cap, your messages speak for themselves. That mirror of yours is definitely broken.
Error
The troll has intentionally disrupted this thread...I will repost, and let Stefan deal with the miscreant if he/it tries it again.
Link here:
http://www.overunity.com/14799/a-pair-of-very-imoprtant-web-sites/new/#new (http://www.overunity.com/14799/a-pair-of-very-imoprtant-web-sites/new/#new)
I guess I should be flattered that, having my very personal net troll.
Outlined below is the 'chaos and flux' M.O. of the typical net troll.
If, and in my case, when they get their nose bloodied (http://www.overunity.com/14167/thread-for-naysayers-nitpickers-and-shills/msg410957/#msg410957 (http://www.overunity.com/14167/thread-for-naysayers-nitpickers-and-shills/msg410957/#msg410957)) they will perceive a softening of my position, then hold out the proverbial olive branch, in hopes of setting the stage for another run, set up by mindless questions.
Quote from: MarkE on July 22, 2014, 09:49:29 AM
If this is a pledge to drop the unfounded allegations and abusive personal attacks, then I am happy to clean the slate.
Quote from: Cap-Z-ro on July 22, 2014, 01:48:59 PM
The implication being that I, for no apparent reason just began making..."unfounded allegations and abusive personal attacks".
When nothing could be farther from the truth.
The reality is that I politely made numerous respectful requests to certain members that they refrain from entering threads, making discouraging negative remarks, which derailed thread after thread, preventing an open exchange of ideas and many experiments which could have led to other discoveries inadvertaintly...as is often the case historically.
I was totally ignored by the offenders...and when I pointed out that in the interest of paid trolls and shills to disrupt potentially fruitful dialogue, guess what, it was I who was attacked.
Thats when the Sh!t hit the turbine.
I would like to see real progress instead of repetitive the negativity and ridicule which was permeating this forum and none of us anywhere.
I was called a coward for making comments from behind nom de plume.
Well, we all saw what happened to Theo/Ken when he made his name known don't we ?
Yes, his name was googled Tinsel K and linked to someone with similar name and a criminal background...the implication being that Theo/Ken was a criminal, in order to destroy his credibility.
No thanks, but I'll pass on that invite.
And an additional reference to me:
"Cap seems to be calming down. "
The implication being that it was I who was in an agitated state.
Well, I believe the intelligence of the readership is being seriously underestimated here, and they know the difference.
Regards...
...
MarkE (http://www.overunity.com/profile/marke.84002/) quote:
Do you think that there is anything more to Paul Pantone's GEET than cooking off volatiles? ...
...
Cap- Z quote:
There certainly seems to be something unusual involved there...not sure just what tho.
Regards...
Cap:
Adults should be able to conduct themselves in a mature manner.
Forum moderation should only be required in extraordinary cases.
I politely asked you for your personal view on fluoridation, given that you are promoting a wiki that you assert "dares to tell the truth" about the subject.
You responded first with evasion and then with ad hominem attack, which you now continue. I submit that despite your protests, it is your behavior that is inappropriate.
Personally, I am not looking to bother Stefan. My view is that when anyone acts out, they present themselves in a bad light. They can choose to fix that or not.
I do not understand any reason why you should be upset that I have asked you your personal view on a subject where you promote a site that you claim "dares to tell the truth".
This stupid troll doesn't think the readers are actually that stupid...the douche is just trolling because he/it is mentally deficient.
Regards...
Quote from: Cap-Z-ro on July 27, 2014, 03:29:44 PM
This stupid troll doesn't think the readers are actually that stupid...the douche is just trolling because he/it is mentally deficient.
Regards...
Is this the way that you conduct yourself face to face with others?
I usually conduct myself arse to face when dealing with trolls...they find it easier to find the tongue hole that way.
And the faster they get both cheeks packed with excrement, the quicker we can both be on our way.
Sometimes, if they're lucky, I've had a bowl of chile, and they get to use a straw...and not have to lick the rim clean.
Regards...
I think that one would have to work at it to come up with a more offensive posting than that one. It escapes me why any adult would choose to behave that way.
Captain Zero:
You are such a bad-ass making scatological remarks.
Here is a reminder of how bad you are:
<<<
Two select quotes from Captain Zero:
"When someone falsely accuses you of exposing his private email on here, his credibility equates to ZERO"
"Look what this drama queen Mile High just sent me in a PM...Hope you all got a little chuckle of of it too."
Sorry, just wanted to set that straight and establish who has the credibility problems. Bald-faced lying in an attempt to impugn the character of another person is despicable behaviour no matter what side of the fence you are on.
>>>
I posted this a few days ago and you did not respond so I am posting it again to rub it in. You didn't have enough character to admit that you were lying.
It's also double despicable behaviour. Posting someone's PM is despicable and lying about posting someone's PM is despicable.
You need to take a time-out and reassess yourself. Referring to other people as "it" is more despicable behaviour. You have made yourself look like a truly awful person over the past week or two. Only the rabid free-energy bozos that believe that every clip on YouTube is real no matter how ridiculous it is are with you. They form a small minority on this forum. The majority of people on this forum are not with you and they are against your reprehensible behaviour. This is a place for the free expression of ideas and there is nothing that you can do about it.
MileHigh
I would also like to interject that starting 2 topics on the same subject is in fact a kind of spam. (See TOS)
Bill
Troll backs off Cap's arse with only one cheek filled...fecal reflux maybe ?
Regards...
Quote from: Pirate88179 on July 27, 2014, 04:26:07 PM
I would also like to interject that starting 2 topics on the same subject is in fact a kind of spam. (See TOS)
Bill
Make that 3...but who's counting...besides trolls that is ?
Changing the title sometimes cornfuses them.
Regards...
Is there any type of question you would not consider to be "disruptive"?
Number of posts 16...another troll.
Quote from: Cap-Z-ro on July 27, 2014, 04:41:32 PM
Number of posts 16...another troll.
I interpret that as "No questions allowed. Just read and believe."
Quote from: Pirate88179 on July 27, 2014, 04:26:07 PM
I would also like to interject that starting 2 topics on the same subject is in fact a kind of spam. (See TOS)
Bill
Well now Cap is up to number three. I think that possibly Cap is trying to find out just how outrageous one can get before that behavior triggers moderation.
Quote from: celsus on July 27, 2014, 04:58:21 PM
I interpret that as "No questions allowed. Just read and believe."
Troll post upped to 17...quite likely both are one ant the same.
Quote from: MarkE on July 27, 2014, 05:17:37 PM
Well now Cap is up to number three. I think that possibly Cap is trying to find out just how outrageous one can get before that behavior triggers moderation.
Either that, or how much of my excrement this troll can pack into its mouth.
Or...maybe it wants more chunks.
*checks pantry for cob of corn*
Cap, what you are doing to yourself is really sad . Your: obsession with bodily waste, your constant ad hominem attacks, and your surly behavior all reflect very badly, and only on you.
why don't you just let Cap be ?
Enuff already .....
Please ?
I don't think anyone can save Cap from himself. Do you think that it was inappropriate that given he is promoting a site that purports to: "dare to tell the truth" about among other topics fluoridation, to ask him his views on fluoridation? Do you think it is inappropriate to let him know what he is doing to himself? Cap is making it obvious that he is not about discussion of the topics he raises. If he insists on the kind of behavior that he has exhibited lately, few if any will be willing to engage him.
Quote from: MarkE on July 27, 2014, 10:56:34 PM
I don't think anyone can save Cap from himself. Do you think that it was inappropriate that given he is promoting a site that purports to: "dare to tell the truth" about among other topics fluoridation, to ask him his views on fluoridation? Do you think it is inappropriate to let him know what he is doing to himself? Cap is making it obvious that he is not about discussion of the topics he raises. If he insists on the kind of behavior that he has exhibited lately, few if any will be willing to engage him.
Well folks, when it comes to trolls like this one, i am in favor of mega doses of fluoride - laced with high mercury counts.
Regards...
Quote from: ramset on July 27, 2014, 09:34:09 PM
why don't you just let Cap be ?
Enuff already .....
Please ?
Now even Chet is commenting the troll baiting tactics...after all the acrimony between us...which is encouraging.
Conversely, I would have done the same or worse had our roles been reversed...one thing I detest is a bully.
I came close to intervening on the Auroratek thread...and would have had he began to buckle, but he held his own nicely.
And I will also admit to holding my own from time to time, during dry spells between wimmen.
Regards...
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Fluoride is an industrial 'waste' product. ;)
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Mags ;)
Do you always use a single source for all of your references?
We have a couple of anti-fluoride activists around here. They express great concern about fluorisis as well. Their arguments tend to fall apart when one looks closely at the intake of fluoride necessary to cause fluorisis and the concentrations of fluoride in municipal water supplies that fluoridate.
Given that fluoridation has been used since the mid 1940s, and given that adults are keeping their natural teeth longer than ever, where are all the mottled and rotten teeth that the fluoride scourge is supposed to have caused?
It seems that the ADA firmly supports fluoride: http://www.ada.org/en/member-center/oral-health-topics/fluoride-supplements
It is very disturbing to see public officials in various locals submit to pressure from a poorly informed electorate that has been whipped into a hysteria. Such has been the case with the "MMR vaccine causes autism" nonsense, and such is the case of hysterical cries to end a practice that has dramatically improved dental health for the past 65 years. "Idiocracy" was supposed to be a satirical comedy, not a bleak glimpse into the future.
Cap
Naahhhh
that's not where I'm coming from ,
I don't like the gutter or potty talk !
and if you ever feel the need to come to my defense with same [ignorant gutter speak and potty mouth]
please resist with all the strength you can muster...........
if scientific claims and experiments can't withstand scrutiny, they become something else.
Nonsense.........
thx
Chet
Quote from: ramset on July 28, 2014, 08:33:37 AM
Cap
Naahhhh
that's not where I'm coming from ,
I don't like the gutter or potty talk !
and if you ever feel the need to come to my defense with same [ignorant gutter speak and potty mouth]
please resist with all the strength you can muster...........
if scientific claims and experiments can't withstand scrutiny, they become something else.
Nonsense.........
thx
Chet
Oooh, pardon et moi, s'il vous plait...
I pull that arrow out of my quiver for trolls and their apologists, as you well know Chet...as I had to use it on you when you had both feet stuck in the tar baby, defending said trolls over at my nitpickers and naysayers thread.
Sound advice...avert your eyes or just simply butt out when I am dealing with trolls, because you knoooow where its heading.
And I do not need you to tell them to leave me alone, they will do that all by themselves after they had enough of me rag dolling them.
I mistakenly thot you were on to them after they made sport of you in the Auroratek thread...my bad, I should have known better...won't happen again.
Regards...
Cap, Mags,
Thanks for the links.
Fluoride IS a poison, only fools would say otherwise.
Mike Adams has a lot of good info but I don't agree with everything he says, but he is spot on about fluoride.
I don't know if you or someone else has mentioned Dr. Mercola before but he is also a good health info resource :
http://www.mercola.com
P.s.; DON'T FEED THE TROLLS
Ignore them, answering them is a waste of time and energy.
Thanks Mags and Tink...its a pleasurable change to finally get to respond to a valid expression of sincere thought, amid the heavy troll traffic.
I know someone who has to use non fluoridated water in his fish tank...if not, the fluoride kills the fish.
Unfortunately these trolls do not leave here if ignored by me, they simply find someone to pick on, less able to rag doll them.
And frankly, I find their frustrated posts schlightly entertaining...I know its a weakness, and its wrong on some level, but.......yeah, I guess I will have to put that on my bucket lists of things I have to work on, down the road.
In the meantime, i think that me wearing them out, allows others a little elbow room around here.
Regards...
Almost any substance is harmful in sufficient quantity. Even water is poisonous in high quantities as it dilutes out essential electrolytes. This gets demonstrated at many marathons where invariably some runners over hydrate. It was demonstrated tragically a few years ago in a radio contest that went bad when a woman drank a fatal dose of water in a "Wee for a Wii" competition. Fluorine is a very reactive substance even in compounds, IE fluorides, and it doesn't take a lot to reach a harmful level. The levels in fluoridated water supplies are way below a harmful threshold. There are any number of important minerals that we normally get from water that in fairly small amounts can be very harmful.
If one were to adopt the mantra that they will not ingest any substance that is toxic in sub kilogram amounts, then that rules out taking almost any medication. Many people OD each year on ordinary NSAIDs, particularly: acetaminophen, which is a safe and highly beneficial medicine when taken in appropriate dosages. The entire blood sugar test industry is built around the dangers of too much or too little insulin. The answer is not for diabetics to shun insulin. It is for them to dose correctly. Even Popeye is not safe. Prolonged consumption of excessive green spinach can lead to elevated blood iron levels that can harm a lot of internal organs.
Dr. Mercola offers some advice that is very good: Avoid acidic foods stored in liners or containers that use BPA. Avoid microwave popcorn. Avoid margarine. Avoid aspartame. Avoid highly processed meats. Eat fresh fruits and vegetables.
I have one to add: Don't ingest anything that comes from China.
While looking for something else I found this little gem from troll member 'Piled High'.
I am in the habit of just scrolling past his oral diarrhea, so I missed this distortion of reality.
Here it is...
" MileHigh (http://www.overunity.com/profile/milehigh.20740/) Re: 2 New Important Web Sites Launched (http://www.overunity.com/14795/2-new-important-web-sites-launched/msg411689/#msg411689) « Reply #15 on: July 27, 2014, 10:15:39 PM »
Mile (Piled) High Quote (http://www.overunity.com/14795/2-new-important-web-sites-launched/15/post/quote/411689/last_msg/411895/)
Captain Zero:
You are such a bad-ass making scatological remarks.
Here is a reminder of how bad you are:
<<<
Two select quotes from Captain Zero:
"When someone falsely accuses you of exposing his private email on here, his credibility equates to ZERO"
"Look what this drama queen Mile High just sent me in a PM...Hope you all got a little chuckle of of it too."
Sorry, just wanted to set that straight and establish who has the credibility problems. Bald-faced lying in an attempt to impugn the character of another person is despicable behaviour no matter what side of the fence you are on.
>>>
I posted this a few days ago and you did not respond so I am posting it again to rub it in. You didn't have enough character to admit that you were lying. "
"When someone falsely accuses you of exposing his private email on here, his credibility equates to ZERO"
Well...the troll did say that I exposed his "private email on here"...which was, and still is a lie.
That was a PM (Personal forum Message) of a complaint likely never sent to Stefan, that the troll had sent to me, whining to Stefan because I made him look bad using his own words against him.
This was NOT an email...nor was it his email address as he intentionally implied.
Now, I don't claim to be a layer, but I do know that once you send a complaint about someone to someone else, in this case Stefan, it is no longer private, but in fact it has become public.
I will say, that I would never, and have never shared anyone's PM sent to me.
Manipulative PM's sent to me by trolls will however, be freely shared, as they are not worthy of protection from exposure.
This troll has joined Tinsh!t Koala in falsely accusing me of being a liar (slander).
Regards...
Quote from: MarkE on July 28, 2014, 03:12:36 PM
Almost any substance is harmful in sufficient quantity. Even water is poisonous in high quantities as it dilutes out essential electrolytes. This gets demonstrated at many marathons where invariably some runners over hydrate. It was demonstrated tragically a few years ago in a radio contest that went bad when a woman drank a fatal dose of water in a "Wee for a Wii" competition. Fluorine is a very reactive substance even in compounds, IE fluorides, and it doesn't take a lot to reach a harmful level. The levels in fluoridated water supplies are way below a harmful threshold. There are any number of important minerals that we normally get from water that in fairly small amounts can be very harmful.
If one were to adopt the mantra that they will not ingest any substance that is toxic in sub kilogram amounts, then that rules out taking almost any medication. Many people OD each year on ordinary NSAIDs, particularly: acetaminophen, which is a safe and highly beneficial medicine when taken in appropriate dosages. The entire blood sugar test industry is built around the dangers of too much or too little insulin. The answer is not for diabetics to shun insulin. It is for them to dose correctly. Even Popeye is not safe. Prolonged consumption of excessive green spinach can lead to elevated blood iron levels that can harm a lot of internal organs.
Dr. Mercola offers some advice that is very good: Avoid acidic foods stored in liners or containers that use BPA. Avoid microwave popcorn. Avoid margarine. Avoid aspartame. Avoid highly processed meats. Eat fresh fruits and vegetables.
I have one to add: Don't ingest anything that comes from China.
Classic example of the troll dance, hoping to somehow get credibility to rain down upon him...to be absorbed by his spongy arid brain.
Regards...
That's pathetic because "email" and "PM" are synonymous when you are on a forum. You really are screwed up in the head.
Quote from: MileHigh on July 28, 2014, 09:21:01 PM
That's pathetic because "email" and "PM" are synonymous when you are on a forum. You really are screwed up in the head.
Notice how the "screwed up in the head" conveniently distanced himself from the fact that he made his whining PM public when he shared it 2 other people.
Does this moronic troll really think the readership are so dimwitted that they are not cognizant of that fact ?
No he doesn't, he just can't help himself, he just has to run his mouth about something - anything...anywhere.
And, things are quiet on TA's thread tonite.
Plus, if he doesn't...no paycheck.
He must be getting paid a quarter a word.
Regards...
You are really out of it. I am going to go and make a posting on TA's thread that makes perfect sense. I know that you have a problem with that - because you are screwed up in the head.
Quote from: MileHigh on July 28, 2014, 10:10:12 PM
You are really out of it. I am going to go and make a posting on TA's thread that makes perfect sense. I know that you have a problem with that - because you are screwed up in the head.
"I am going to go and make a posting on TA's thread that makes perfect sense. "
Boy oh boy, I'd pay money to see that.
*guffaws*
And he forgot to add 'hylk hylk' at the end of his sentence.
Regards...
Quote from: MarkE on July 28, 2014, 04:03:03 AM
Do you always use a single source for all of your references?
We have a couple of anti-fluoride activists around here. They express great concern about fluorisis as well. Their arguments tend to fall apart when one looks closely at the intake of fluoride necessary to cause fluorisis and the concentrations of fluoride in municipal water supplies that fluoridate.
Given that fluoridation has been used since the mid 1940s, and given that adults are keeping their natural teeth longer than ever, where are all the mottled and rotten teeth that the fluoride scourge is supposed to have caused?
It seems that the ADA firmly supports fluoride: http://www.ada.org/en/member-center/oral-health-topics/fluoride-supplements (http://www.ada.org/en/member-center/oral-health-topics/fluoride-supplements)
It is very disturbing to see public officials in various locals submit to pressure from a poorly informed electorate that has been whipped into a hysteria. Such has been the case with the "MMR vaccine causes autism" nonsense, and such is the case of hysterical cries to end a practice that has dramatically improved dental health for the past 65 years. "Idiocracy" was supposed to be a satirical comedy, not a bleak glimpse into the future.
"Do you always use a single source for all of your references?"
Always? ??? Na. Just getting started. ;) ;D
"According to the National Toxicology Program (NTP), "the preponderance of evidence" from laboratory studies indicates that fluoride is a mutagen (http://www.fluoridealert.org/studies/cancer01/) (a compound that can cause genetic damage). A chemical that can cause genetic damage is one that can likely cause, or contribute to, the development of cancer."
http://fluoridealert.org/issues/health/cancer/ (http://fluoridealert.org/issues/health/cancer/)
Interview with EPA's Dr. William Marcus on NTP's Fluoride/Cancer Study
"
Marcus: When I got a hold of the contractor report and reviewed it very carefully, not only was it reporting cancers in the animals, [it was reporting] osteosarcomas (http://www.fluoridealert.org/health/cancer/osteosarcoma.html) which bothered me a lot because I've been trying to produce osteosarcomas in animals for almost 20 years and the only luck I ever had was with an experiment in dogs and monkeys, and the osteosarcomas took nearly the lifetime of the animals, and we were using radium which specifically produces that in bones. And here we have a compound commonly available – fluoride - that did it in rats in two years or less. That was upsetting to begin with. Secondarily...in that same study, there were cancers of the liver that are very rare according to the board certified veterinary pathologist at the contractor, Battelle. And those really were very upsetting because they were hepatocholangiocarcinoma (http://www.fluoridealert.org/studies/ntp02/), a very rare, rare, liver cancer..."
http://fluoridealert.org/content/marcus-interview/ (http://fluoridealert.org/content/marcus-interview/)
October 2010 American Dental Association (http://jada.ada.org/site/misc/terms.xhtml)Associations Between Fluorosis of Permanent Incisors and Fluoride Intake From Infant Formula, Other Dietary Sources and Dentifrice During Early Childhood http://jada.ada.org/content/141/10/1190.abstract (http://jada.ada.org/content/141/10/1190.abstract)
JADA Journal of the American Dental Association
Fluorosis you say?..... Mr Mark writes....
"We have a couple of anti-fluoride activists around here. They express great concern about fluorisis as well. Their arguments tend to fall apart when one looks closely at the intake of fluoride necessary to cause fluorisis and the concentrations of fluoride in municipal water supplies that fluoridate. "
Lets take a look at fluorosis.....
https://images.search.yahoo.com/search/images;_ylt=A0LEV0db.tZTYSAAt9BXNyoA;_ylu=X3oDMTB0dm9kMmw4BHNlYwNzYwRjb2xvA2JmMQR2dGlkA1ZJUDM2NV8x?_adv_prop=image&fr=yfp-t-320&va=fluorosis (https://images.search.yahoo.com/search/images;_ylt=A0LEV0db.tZTYSAAt9BXNyoA;_ylu=X3oDMTB0dm9kMmw4BHNlYwNzYwRjb2xvA2JmMQR2dGlkA1ZJUDM2NV8x?_adv_prop=image&fr=yfp-t-320&va=fluorosis)
You say " Their arguments tend to fall apart when one looks closely at the intake of fluoride necessary to cause fluorisis and the concentrations of fluoride in municipal water supplies that fluoridate. "
Do their arguments fall apart like some of the fine looking choppers in the pictures shown in the link above??? ::) Like it doesnt exist. ::) ::)
"The spots and stains left by fluorosis are permanent. They may darken over time."
http://www.colgate.com/app/CP/US/EN/OC/Information/Articles/Oral-and-Dental-Health-Basics/Checkups-and-Dental-Procedures/Fluoride/article/Fluorosis.cvsp (http://www.colgate.com/app/CP/US/EN/OC/Information/Articles/Oral-and-Dental-Health-Basics/Checkups-and-Dental-Procedures/Fluoride/article/Fluorosis.cvsp)
So Mr Mark. How do we figure out how much fluoride we do take in?? How about we call Nestle to see what they have to say?? ;D ;D ........Woman calls Nestle to inquire about fluoride in bottled water, recieves death threats for a monthLearn more: http://www.naturalnews.com/044910_Nestle_bottled_water_death_threats.html#ixzz38oyd9O1h (http://www.naturalnews.com/044910_Nestle_bottled_water_death_threats.html#ixzz38oyd9O1h)
::) ::) ::)
Ok. So we get fluoride in tooth paste, and water. Anything else? ;) ......
"To protect the grapes from destruction from insects, they are sprayed with cryolite, leaving behind high amounts of fluorine in the grape supply, which remains throughout the wine-making process. In some cases, one glass of wine produced from grapes treated with cryolite contains as much fluorine as one full liter of fluoridated water"
"most mechanically separated chicken contains fluorine. Mechanically separated chicken is put through a high pressure sieve, removing the meat from the bone and grounding it into a paste-like substance. Chicken put through this process is often used to make chicken nuggets and infant foods. "
http://www.livestrong.com/article/258560-fluorine-foods-list/ (http://www.livestrong.com/article/258560-fluorine-foods-list/)
So Mr Mark. How do we know when we have had too much fluoride? When our teeth turn brown?
My mom is 70 born in 43. She has 1 tooth left. Why didnt fluoride save her teeth? Maybe too much fluoride? Not enough? There is no system of happy medium.
You can promote fluoridation all you want Mark. Good for you. ::) So sit back and have a bowl of cream of chicken(save same for the baby), have a nice glass of wine. Enjoy. ;) And always drink plenty of water.
Dont drink Smart Water Mr Mark, as its distilled, and your teeth might fall out. lol
Mags ;D
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Quote from: Magluvin on July 28, 2014, 11:13:12 PM
"Do you always use a single source for all of your references?"
Always? ??? Na. Just getting started. ;) ;D
"According to the National Toxicology Program (NTP), "the preponderance of evidence" from laboratory studies indicates that fluoride is a mutagen (http://www.fluoridealert.org/studies/cancer01/) (a compound that can cause genetic damage). A chemical that can cause genetic damage is one that can likely cause, or contribute to, the development of cancer."
http://fluoridealert.org/issues/health/cancer/ (http://fluoridealert.org/issues/health/cancer/)
So take for example, not the headline, but the statements that they relied upon for the headline"
QuoteQuoteWhile the concentrations of fluoride causing genetic damage in laboratory studies are generally far higher than the concentrations found in human blood, there are certain "microenvironments" in the body (e.g., the bones, bladder, kidneys, oral cavity, pineal gland) where cells can be exposed to fluoride levels that are comparable to those causing genetic damage in the laboratory. Moreover, some research has found that cells of primates (including great apes and humans) are more susceptible to fluoride's mutagenic effects than cells of rodents. These factors may help explain why seven studies since the 1990s have found evidence of genetic damage in humans with high fluoride exposures. (Some studies have not found this association.)
All of the sudden we go from a clear and present danger to some conflicting evidence found under unusual conditions.
Quote
Interview with EPA's Dr. William Marcus on NTP's Fluoride/Cancer Study
"Marcus: When I got a hold of the contractor report and reviewed it very carefully, not only was it reporting cancers in the animals, [it was reporting] osteosarcomas (http://www.fluoridealert.org/health/cancer/osteosarcoma.html) which bothered me a lot because I've been trying to produce osteosarcomas in animals for almost 20 years and the only luck I ever had was with an experiment in dogs and monkeys, and the osteosarcomas took nearly the lifetime of the animals, and we were using radium which specifically produces that in bones. And here we have a compound commonly available – fluoride - that did it in rats in two years or less. That was upsetting to begin with. Secondarily...in that same study, there were cancers of the liver that are very rare according to the board certified veterinary pathologist at the contractor, Battelle. And those really were very upsetting because they were hepatocholangiocarcinoma (http://www.fluoridealert.org/studies/ntp02/), a very rare, rare, liver cancer..."
http://fluoridealert.org/content/marcus-interview/ (http://fluoridealert.org/content/marcus-interview/)
Again look past the headline. Fluoridation has been widespread for many decades. Yet the cancers discussed, that under the laboratory conditions employed resulted in fast tumor development remain very rare. Ergo, fluoridated municipal water has not caused the fast developing tumors found in the particular laboratory tests.
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October 2010 American Dental Association (http://jada.ada.org/site/misc/terms.xhtml)Associations Between Fluorosis of Permanent Incisors and Fluoride Intake From Infant Formula, Other Dietary Sources and Dentifrice During Early Childhood http://jada.ada.org/content/141/10/1190.abstract (http://jada.ada.org/content/141/10/1190.abstract)
JADA Journal of the American Dental Association
Again, it is important to read beyond the headlines. That abstract concludes:
QuoteQuoteClinical Implications. Results suggest that prevalence of mild dental fluorosis could be reduced by avoiding ingestion of large quantities of fluoride from reconstituted powdered concentrate infant formula and fluoridated dentifrice.
Fluorosis you say?..... Mr Mark writes....
"We have a couple of anti-fluoride activists around here. They express great concern about fluorisis as well. Their arguments tend to fall apart when one looks closely at the intake of fluoride necessary to cause fluorisis and the concentrations of fluoride in municipal water supplies that fluoridate. "
Lets take a look at fluorosis.....
https://images.search.yahoo.com/search/images;_ylt=A0LEV0db.tZTYSAAt9BXNyoA;_ylu=X3oDMTB0dm9kMmw4BHNlYwNzYwRjb2xvA2JmMQR2dGlkA1ZJUDM2NV8x?_adv_prop=image&fr=yfp-t-320&va=fluorosis (https://images.search.yahoo.com/search/images;_ylt=A0LEV0db.tZTYSAAt9BXNyoA;_ylu=X3oDMTB0dm9kMmw4BHNlYwNzYwRjb2xvA2JmMQR2dGlkA1ZJUDM2NV8x?_adv_prop=image&fr=yfp-t-320&va=fluorosis)
You say " Their arguments tend to fall apart when one looks closely at the intake of fluoride necessary to cause fluorisis and the concentrations of fluoride in municipal water supplies that fluoridate. "
Do their arguments fall apart like some of the fine looking choppers in the pictures shown in the link above??? ::) Like it doesnt exist. ::) ::)
Have a look around you. Are the teeth of the people who you see routinely mottled or otherwise damaged by fluorosis? Or is the condition unusual? Or is it very unusual? Is the fluorosis in those pictures traceable to the minute fluoride concentration in municipal water? Or were they exposed to vastly higher fluoride concentrations from other sources? I hope that you can understand that actual causality is what we should all be interested in.
Quote
"The spots and stains left by fluorosis are permanent. They may darken over time."
http://www.colgate.com/app/CP/US/EN/OC/Information/Articles/Oral-and-Dental-Health-Basics/Checkups-and-Dental-Procedures/Fluoride/article/Fluorosis.cvsp (http://www.colgate.com/app/CP/US/EN/OC/Information/Articles/Oral-and-Dental-Health-Basics/Checkups-and-Dental-Procedures/Fluoride/article/Fluorosis.cvsp)
So Mr Mark. How do we figure out how much fluoride we do take in??
When it comes to municipal water supplies in the USA, that information is generally published annually by the respective water districts.
QuoteHow about we call Nestle to see what they have to say?? ;D ;D ........Woman calls Nestle to inquire about fluoride in bottled water, recieves death threats for a monthLearn more: http://www.naturalnews.com/044910_Nestle_bottled_water_death_threats.html#ixzz38oyd9O1h (http://www.naturalnews.com/044910_Nestle_bottled_water_death_threats.html#ixzz38oyd9O1h)
If anyone including a corporation acts so stupidly as to make terroristic threats against a living person, they are subject to federal criminal prosecution. Two years after the alleged incident there do not seem to be any charges filed. When asked about that, neither the alleged victim, nor her attorney offered comment.
Quote
::) ::) ::)
Ok. So we get fluoride in tooth paste, and water. Anything else? ;) ......
"To protect the grapes from destruction from insects, they are sprayed with cryolite, leaving behind high amounts of fluorine in the grape supply, which remains throughout the wine-making process. In some cases, one glass of wine produced from grapes treated with cryolite contains as much fluorine as one full liter of fluoridated water"
Assume that the statements are true: Are wine enthusiasts suffering unusual ill health effects traceable to fluorides? The concentrations claimed amount to ~8X municipal water. Someone who drinks wine on the order of recommended water intake is going to suffer severe ill effects from a different toxin: alcohol.
Quote
"most mechanically separated chicken contains fluorine. Mechanically separated chicken is put through a high pressure sieve, removing the meat from the bone and grounding it into a paste-like substance. Chicken put through this process is often used to make chicken nuggets and infant foods. "
http://www.livestrong.com/article/258560-fluorine-foods-list/ (http://www.livestrong.com/article/258560-fluorine-foods-list/)
Perhaps that is so. Unless there are ill effects traceable to these practices, what you have is little more than bootstrapping.
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So Mr Mark. How do we know when we have had too much fluoride? When our teeth turn brown?
If you are seeing a dentist regularly, then any signs of fluorosis should be detected early, and then the causes can be sought. Municipal water is one of the least likely causes.
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My mom is 70 born in 43. She has 1 tooth left. Why didnt fluoride save her teeth? Maybe too much fluoride? Not enough? There is no system of happy medium.
Who knows what your mother's particular circumstances were.
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You can promote fluoridation all you want Mark. Good for you. ::) So sit back and have a bowl of cream of chicken(save same for the baby), have a nice glass of wine. Enjoy. ;) And always drink plenty of water.
I most certainly enjoy a glass of wine from time to time without the least fear of fluorosis. And I happily drink about two liters a day of municipal water. Appropriate hydration with clean water is important to good health.
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Dont drink Smart Water Mr Mark, as its distilled, and your teeth might fall out. lol
Mags ;D
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Distilled water lacks important minerals. The best thing that can be sad for distilled water is that the distilling process kills bacteria. Of course if the water is not stored properly, bacteria can come back.
On the farm years ago Sodium Fluoride was used
as a rat poison. The jar was labeled "Poison" by the
local pharmacist.
The numbers of dentists who are opposed to fluoridation
is steadily increasing. The purported benefits of fluoride
upon teeth enamel are difficult to confirm pathologically.
Many children in my home town suffered permanently
discolored teeth due to fluoride treatments during the
craze of the late '40s.
We have always known that mercury amalgam fillings were
not a wise plan or program. Now it has finally been confirmed
and most dentists advise removal of all amalgam fillings to
be replaced with non-toxic substances.
When my mercury amalgam fillings were removed in a Naval
Dental Clinic the room was fitted with hazardous material
confinement and absorption technology to capture mercury
vapor. The solid amalgam was likewise captured and sealed
to isolate it from the immediate atmosphere. The Dental
Officer and his assistant wore small protective masks similar
to a mini gas mask.
In some areas we are at long last coming to our senses.
The issues of mercury based fillings only relate to fluoride in that they have both been used by dentists. I trust that you wouldn't suggest that dentistry is a health hazard. Back to fluoride, it is well established that fluoride bonds with and strengthens tooth enamel. The problem seen with mottling is where a little is good, more is definitely not better. Toxicity of any substance is a matter of dosage. In colleges around the country some fool teenager will down a quart or more of hard liquor during initiation and suffer alcohol poisoning. Yet, alcohol is a huge industry.
Now what moron would advocate the use of fluoride, other than Hitler, who flushed the water system in Poland with fluoride prior to the invasion ?
Well, the answer is obvious...a paid shill.
Just compare the writing styles (read deflecting tactics) of this shill and the 'PiledHigh' shill...exactly the same.
So, either they are oner and the same, or they received the same training.
Just sayin'.
Regards...
Quote from: Cap-Z-ro on July 29, 2014, 07:37:41 AM
Now what moron would advocate the use of fluoride, other than Hitler, who flushed the water system in Poland with fluoride prior to the invasion ?
Well, the answer is obvious...a paid shill.
Just compare the writing styles (read deflecting tactics) of this shill and the 'PiledHigh' shill...exactly the same.
So, either they are oner and the same, or they received the same training.
Just sayin'.
Regards...
LOL, Godwin's Law prevails once more. Perhaps you would like to drag the monster Josef Mengele into this. Oh, damn, he was a physician not a dentist. There goes a perfectly wonderful opportunity to "expose" the Nazi dental hygiene conspiracy.
Well, it just so happens someone secreted me a copy of the troll handbook, and LOL translates into ...'oops I'm looking real bad right now, but I must press on, or else I don't get paid'.
Also, one of the effects of fluoride is to dumb people down, making them passive like cows, which Hitler was well aware of.
For trolls fluoride is a dietary staple.
And if you can get them into an agitated state like I get Tinfiol K and PiledHigh into often, all you have to do is maneuver them into a position where they have to use the word 'move' in a sentence, they will automatically spell out 'moooove', and begin to chew their cuds uncontrollably...but you wood have to get them on skype to witness that.
Regards...
Quote from: Magluvin on July 28, 2014, 01:30:55 AM
ADA study confirms dangers of fluoridated water, especially for babies
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Alaska passes ordinance to end its water fluoridation program
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Dallas considers ending 50 years of water fluoridation
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Fluoride is an industrial 'waste' product. ;)
Bombshell: Syria's 'chemical weapons' turn out to be sodium fluoride used in the U.S. water supply and sold at Wal-Mart
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Mags ;)
You should speak to your local politician.
Us guys in the UK are used to bad teeth so we're happy with anything which may help!
Incidentally, I don't know anyone who died as a result of mercury amalgam or fluoride....only too many beers, cigarettes, drugs (Fluoride not included) and natural causes!
As mentioned in other posts, I am not a paid shill, MIB, alien etc!
PS: I'm loving zero's rants, it's not often you hear someone do such an extended brain-fart. Priceless!
Shill quote:
" As mentioned in other posts, I am not a paid shill,..."
'Here drink this, its good for you...sure its a neuro toxin and kills goldfish, but its s'posed to stop cavities'.
Moo
Now that logic folks, wood be a brain fart for you and me.
But for the fluoridated troll, its money in the bank.
Regards...
Quote from: Cap-Z-ro on July 29, 2014, 06:18:40 PM
Shill quote:
" As mentioned in other posts, I am not a paid shill,..."
'Here drink this, its good for you...sure its a neuro toxin and kills goldfish, but its s'posed to stop cavities'.
Moo
Now that logic folks, wood be a brain fart for you and me.
But for the fluoridated troll, its money in the bank.
Regards...
You keep talking like the whole planet is a troll, but you are baiting everyone!
Also, not sure what your point of repeatedly spamming this forum with quack medicine is but it certainly seems like you have a vested interest?
Are you so certain that there are people here (me, according to you!) who get paid to talk to retards like yourself - I certainly wish I was paid because I could do it all day...it really is great fun to see someone make such a complete tool out of themselves!
Can someone please help this guy out, right now he needs a friend. No doubt there is a bunch of lucky-heather in it for you...or some highly toxic, deadly fluoride if you cross him ;D
Go get 'em Erin ::)
Moo
Quote from: Cap-Z-ro on July 29, 2014, 07:04:10 PM
Moo
Let's assume its a yes then.
How much they payin' ya, cowboy...and who? Is it the wiki owner or one of the quack medicine manufacturers?
To be honest, I really don't care. You just have a great time...like I am ;)
Moo
(They really hate that)
Quote from: Cap-Z-ro on July 29, 2014, 07:23:47 PM
Moo
(They really hate that)
By 'they' you must mean me, everyone else has gone home unless you have some die-hard supporters who are about to come out of the woodwork?
Maybe the fluoride got to them before your charm did!
The troll/shill narrative is...
'Here drink this, its good for you...sure its a neuro toxin and kills goldfish, but its s'posed to stop cavities'.
Now, if the neuro toxin fluoride was actually good for you...you would have to buy the stuff.
Rule of thumb:
Whatever the zionist tyrants provide for free..you can be assured that it is poison.
Why do you think the give away mercury laced vaccines for free ?
Only a paid troll/shill woul advocate or promote the use of these poisonous substances..
End of story.
Regards...
ps:
Moo
Cap-Z-ro,
Cangratulations once again! You certainly have a talent
for flushing them out. They can't seem to resist trying to
get the better of you as they follow the guidelines in their
manuals.
The manuals are freely available on the web.
Not all are paid - some are just "hangers-on" or "copy-cats"
who see something near orgasmic in the game.
Wanna-bees.
Carry on. It's a pleasure seeing how they squirm.
The use of "toxics" is a prime directive in the PLAN. Getting
people to believe that they're good for them or beneficial in
some way is not much of a challenge these days.
Thanks SM, glad you like the Show...I do try to be entertaining during this messy process.
I try to provide something for everybody, except for Chet of course...too tight underwear will do that to a guy.
The trolls like to tag team people with 'chaos and flux' tactics...but they are not able to handle the heat when you use it on them.
I get them so frustrated they start lying outwardly and making false accusations against me...and things get worse for them when i keep shoving it back in their faces.
These creeps deserve every ounce I give them, and more...and I would never treat a real human being this harshly.
This gives me a great opportunity to exercise my comedy writing chops also.
Regards...
Geeze, the next thing you know, you guys will be claiming that cigarettes are bad for you. Where will this end?
Bill
(My neighbor in NJ smoked 2 packs/day since she was 16. She died at 98. Probably the flouride finally got her.)
Before anyone else takes this bait, I will remove the hook.
According to one of the worlds foremost bio-chemists, are just a nasty habit and do not cause cancer.
As for their role in emphysema and heart disease, the jury is still deliberating.
Give it up Bill, you're way outta your league.
Regards...
Quote from: Cap-Z-ro on July 29, 2014, 08:21:46 PM
The troll/shill narrative is...
'Here drink this, its good for you...sure its a neuro toxin and kills goldfish, but its s'posed to stop cavities'.
Now, if the neuro toxin fluoride was actually good for you...you would have to buy the stuff.
Rule of thumb:
Whatever the zionist tyrants provide for free..you can be assured that it is poison.
Why do you think the give away mercury laced vaccines for free ?
Only a paid troll/shill woul advocate or promote the use of these poisonous substances..
End of story.
Regards...
ps:
Moo
LOL, yesterday it was Hitler, now it is the "Zionist tyrants". When you troll you really troll.
Quote from: Cap-Z-ro on July 29, 2014, 10:20:17 PM
Give it up Bill, you're way outta your league.
Regards...
Hey, I saw the movie 20,000 Leagues Under The Sea so, I believe that I can keep up.
(A little nautical humor here to lighten the mood.)
Bill
[quote author=MarkE
LOL, yesterday it was Hitler, now it is the "Zionist tyrants". When you troll you really troll.
As the troll daintily dabs the corner of his lips with the appropriate napkin to suit his dining uisine...ass wipe.
Like shooting fluoride laden fish in a barrel.
Regards...
Read the fine print. ;)
Mags ;D
Quote from: Pirate88179 on July 29, 2014, 11:31:46 PM
Hey, I saw the movie 20,000 Leagues Under The Sea so, I believe that I can keep up.
(A little nautical humor here to lighten the mood.)
Bill
Humor is always readily accepted and appreciated in my circles.
I saw that one too...but I somehow I missed Deep Throat.
Regards...
Natural News exclusive: Fluoride used in U.S. water supplies found contaminated with lead, tungsten, strontium, aluminum and uranium
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I check into Naturalnews.com every day. ;D This one above just came out today. These tests were done at the natural News labs. http://labs.naturalnews.com/Videos.html
One of the first things they tested when the lab opened, they found you can crush Wheaties and a strong magnet can pick up lots of granuals. Under the microscope had shown not just iron powder, but what they described as tiny shards.
Also this one just came out today....
HuffPost: GMOs have never been proven safe
http://www.naturalnews.com/046226_GMOs_safety_testing_Huffington_Post.html
Mags ;D
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Quote from: Magluvin on July 29, 2014, 11:38:24 PM
Read the fine print. ;)
Mags ;D
And try as the might...they were unable to to come up with a mercury amalgam filling formula that wood leach out steady amounts of fluoride.
Regards...
Quote from: Magluvin on July 29, 2014, 11:48:36 PM
Natural News exclusive: Fluoride used in U.S. water supplies found contaminated with lead, tungsten, strontium, aluminum and uranium
Mags ;D
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Watch your step Mags...iffin I was a troll/shill, I wood be all over you for that one.
That wood possibly qualify as an oxymoron...how can you contaminate a contaminant ?
Regards...
Quote from: Magluvin on July 29, 2014, 11:48:36 PM
Natural News exclusive: Fluoride used in U.S. water supplies found contaminated with lead, tungsten, strontium, aluminum and uranium
Learn more: http://www.naturalnews.com/046227_fluoride_heavy_metals_contamination_lab_test_results.html#ixzz38v4jwMm5 (http://www.naturalnews.com/046227_fluoride_heavy_metals_contamination_lab_test_results.html#ixzz38v4jwMm5)
I check into Naturalnews.com every day. ;D This one above just came out today. These tests were done at the natural News labs. http://labs.naturalnews.com/Videos.html
One of the first things they tested when the lab opened, they found you can crush Wheaties and a strong magnet can pick up lots of granuals. Under the microscope had shown not just iron powder, but what they described as tiny shards.
Also this one just came out today....
HuffPost: GMOs have never been proven safe
http://www.naturalnews.com/046226_GMOs_safety_testing_Huffington_Post.html
Mags ;D
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Maybe it is time to do some math: Fluoridation levels in municipal water supplies targets 0.7ppm. Natural News reports contaminants in the samples they obtained of:
AVG aluminum: 69364 ppb
AVG arsenic: 70 ppb
AVG strontium: 1751 ppb
AVG lead: 299 ppb
AVG uranium: 239 ppb
Multiply each of those levels by 0.7ppm to obtain the amount of respective contamination in the water introduced with the 0.7ppm sodium fluoride:
aluminum 0.049 ppb EPA secondary standard 50ppb
arsenic 0.000049 ppb EPA limit 10 ppb EPA goal 0
strontium 0.0012 ppb No EPA recommendation or limit found
lead 0.00021 ppb EPA limit 15ppb EPA goal 0
uranium: 0.00017 ppb EPA limit 30ppb EPA goal 0
So, for all but strontium for which I could not find a limit or guideline, ( or as Dr. Dr. Con John Rohner would say: strOOO-dium ), we have resulting concentrations relative to the EPA limits of:
aluminum 0.049/50 = 0.1% of limit
arsenic 0.000049/10 = 0.00049% of limit
lead 0.00021/15 = 0.0014% of limit
uranium 0.00017/30 = 0.00057% of limit
In other words, the impurities found by NN are so minute that once introduced into the water, they would likely be virtually impossible to discern from the levels already present in the most pristine water samples any consumer could hope to obtain.
Quote from: Cap-Z-ro on July 29, 2014, 11:55:19 PM
Watch your step Mags...iffin I was a troll/shill, I wood be all over you for that one.
That wood possibly qualify as an oxymoron...how can you contaminate a contaminant ?
Regards...
Bah. For someone to come on this thread to be a champion fluoride proponent, considering it was mentioned once by you, caught my eye. Then to press you for response on negatives of fluoride, seems suspicious. Then its always that the information site we hither to is just bogus hoopla. lol
But then, for being pro fluoride, he has a hard time spelling fluorosis in the beginning, and posted fluorisis. Didt read the script well enough? Yet we are deemed always incorrect, and his info infallible. ::)
Like why should we believe that fluoride is harmless at the levels induced? Should we believe the IRS? Should we believe the VA? Should we believe that health insurance will be cheaper with ACA Obamacare?
Should we believe that butter is bad for you and margarine is healthy? What a flub. I get raw butter. Real. Live. Grass fed butter. Milk too. Someone told me once, I think ION, that you will notice a difference the next day with the milk. Well, for me, 2 gallons over 1 month, lower back pain, knee pain, and what seemed like arthritis in the hands, feet, all just went away. Years of just living with the pain and just accepting it as life. It was weird getting used to not having to be careful in everything I did as to not pull the knee, blow out the back, being able to squeeze a pair of pliers enough to do the job. It just made me feel, LIKE IM BACK BABY!! ;D I highly recommend. Just get it at a reputable organic farm store. The store I go to has organic breads made on sat and sun. Leave some Publix bakery bread out(in the bag it came in), and it isnt quite as good the next day. This farm bread, still has that wonderful fresh bread taste and smell days later. Good stuff. Ive read that some people that cant eat breads, can eat this stuff.
Ok. been drinking milk all my life. 48 with lower back pain, cant squeeze pliers like I should be able to(and wrist pain from riding my bike a few miles), and knee pain that I needed to help myself when bending down to tie my shoe.
Raw milk? 1 month, 2 gallons(and counting) ALL GONE?? At the same time??? Miracle? Or is raw milk superior to pasteurized? ;)
Bed time.
Mags ;D
Two words folks:
Cumulative effect.
One step does not a staircase make.
Moo.
Regards...
Here is an interview some may find useful.
" ...its important that you are not mislead about water fluoridation. Here is the short but shocking interiew from Dr. Dean Burke, former head of the National Cancer Institute Cytochemistry Research Department.
See the interview here:
http://www.curetoothdecay.com/private-lessons/lessons-fluoride.htm?awt_l=GW76F&awt_m=44IM61PGcx2pPFS (http://www.curetoothdecay.com/private-lessons/lessons-fluoride.htm?awt_l=GW76F&awt_m=44IM61PGcx2pPFS) "
Regards...
Quote from: Cap-Z-ro on July 29, 2014, 09:25:04 PM
Thanks SM, glad you like the Show...I do try to be entertaining during this messy process.
I try to provide something for everybody, except for Chet of course...too tight underwear will do that to a guy.
The trolls like to tag team people with 'chaos and flux' tactics...but they are not able to handle the heat when you use it on them.
I get them so frustrated they start lying outwardly and making false accusations against me...and things get worse for them when i keep shoving it back in their faces.
These creeps deserve every ounce I give them, and more...and I would never treat a real human being this harshly.
This gives me a great opportunity to exercise my comedy writing chops also.
Regards...
Read the previous posts, Zero, when someone disagrees with you or asks you for your opinion on something you are promoting you become offensive...immediately!
The natural reaction for most people, when someone is offensive to them, is to fight back...or run. That's how some posts escalate.
If a definition of a shill/troll, whatever, is someone who 'dares to ask a valid question' and doesn't blindly follow non-credible info like a sheep (see what I did there ;)) then that's awesome.
As for the dangers of water, vaccines etc. What are you doing to negate these risks in your own life and who DO you trust?
You would have to live on another planet if you wanted to avoid everything which some conspiracy/sheep website told you was bad...even far out in the country you're subjected to:
Contrails (haha!).
Air pollution to varying degrees...not related to contrails (teehee!)
RF radiation.
Many natural sources of nasties.
Etc.
Oh, and you would still need to eat and drink which opens up more issues :(
If there's one thing I've learned in this life, its never make eye contact with a drunk or a loon.
We may be dealing with both here...
Regards...
Quote from: Cap-Z-ro on July 30, 2014, 08:09:44 PM
If there's one thing I've learned in this life, its never make eye contact with a drunk or a loon.
We may be dealing with both here...
Regards...
You're dealing with neither.
I only posed a simple question to you about something which you are, obviously, quite passionate about.
Anyhow, for the benefit of everyone else, how do you negate the risks of the dangers discussed thus far?
If not for me, it's surely a good thing to let your followers know?
Now, I suspect we may have a problem with the above questions...because:
A) They are valid questions.
B) You don't have an answer.
C) Your only option, due to A) and B), is to call me a troll, cow, sheep or well-paid shill.
Another thing I've learned in life is that when someone's first communication to you is an ad hominem attack...they've just told you who and what they are.
The same old same old troll/shill tactic is the "serious question" to draw you in.
They really hate when you out them for that tactic...take all the wind (read flatulence)
out of their 'sales'.
Next troll/account.
Regards...
Word has it that the house of cards of the Zionist Tyrants ZT's (the i is silent) is about to collapse.
And in synchronistic like fashion, this just appeared in my inbox...
The results of the six sodium fluoride samples are shown here in parts per billion (ppb)
MAX aluminum: 283,218 ppb
MAX arsenic: 137 ppb
MAX strontium: 9417 ppb
MAX lead: 988 ppb
MAX uranium: 1415 ppb
MAX tungsten: presence confirmed in 2 of 6 samples but quantitative analysis not conducted on tungsten
AVG aluminum: 69364 ppb
AVG arsenic: 70 ppb
AVG strontium: 1751 ppb
AVG lead: 299 ppb
AVG uranium: 239 ppb
Learn more: http://www.naturalnews.com (http://www.naturalnews.com/046227_fluoride_heavy_metals_contamination_lab_test_results.html#ixzz390SSNlyh)
/046227_fluoride_heavy_metals_contamination_lab_test_results.html#ixzz390SSNlyh (http://www.naturalnews.com/046227_fluoride_heavy_metals_contamination_lab_test_results.html#ixzz390SSNlyh)
Regards...
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It looks like not everyone thinks that 'Naturalnews' is a reliable source:
http://bigthink.com/neurobonkers/who-do-you-know-who-believes-in-the-most-deadly-kind-of-pseudoscience
Interesting read.
They lost me when they started talking about vaccine "paranioa" o3000...whenever I see that term "tinfoil hat" being used is a real red flag.
And that Natural news would blatantly destroy their credibility by falsifying their test results like those 'Global Warming' scammers did is kind of hard to believe.
It would be way to easy to prove their figures wrong...and that would be the end of them
Regards...
Quote from: orbut 3000 on July 30, 2014, 10:07:11 PM
It looks like not everyone thinks that 'Naturalnews' is a reliable source:
http://bigthink.com/neurobonkers/who-do-you-know-who-believes-in-the-most-deadly-kind-of-pseudoscience
Interesting read.
Yes, that is quite interesting.
Quote from: Cap-Z-ro on July 30, 2014, 08:41:15 PM
Another thing I've learned in life is that when someone's first communication to you is an ad hominem attack...they've just told you who and what they are.
The same old same old troll/shill tactic is the "serious question" to draw you in.
They really hate when you out them for that tactic...take all the wind (read flatulence)
out of their 'sales'.
Next troll/account.
Regards...
Just testing your knowledge on the subject with a question ;)
It's a perfectly standard tactic.
Got an answer, or does the website not offer one?
Quote from: Cap-Z-ro on July 30, 2014, 07:51:20 PM
Here is an interview some may find useful.
" ...its important that you are not mislead about water fluoridation. Here is the short but shocking interiew from Dr. Dean Burke, former head of the National Cancer Institute Cytochemistry Research Department.
See the interview here:
http://www.curetoothdecay.com/private-lessons/lessons-fluoride.htm?awt_l=GW76F&awt_m=44IM61PGcx2pPFS (http://www.curetoothdecay.com/private-lessons/lessons-fluoride.htm?awt_l=GW76F&awt_m=44IM61PGcx2pPFS) "
Regards...
Great! Now you've presented some evidence for your belief: A very smart and distinguished scientist plead his sincere belief to Dutch TV that fluoridated water was increasing cancer deaths. For an alternate view of Dr. Burk's ideas and work on the subject:
http://skepticalvegan.com/2012/07/11/fluoride-cancer-quackery/ (http://skepticalvegan.com/2012/07/11/fluoride-cancer-quackery/)
Great! Now you've presented some evidence for your belief: A very smart and distinguished scientist
Just lovely...I present some findings of known carcinogens in fluoride which the troll fails to respond to or address, plus the case presented by "A very smart and distinguished scientist".
And the troll presents a quackwatch/skeptic site with a dogs breakfast of baseless smear tactics a mile long, which not surprisingly fails to include Big Pharma - promoters of bizarre chemical concoctions that can kill an elephant, but not before it gives you schlight anal leakage.
Well folks, these troll are just about roasted on the barbie...anybody want a drumstick or a wing-nut ?
Ooh, the humanity
Regards...
Quote from: Cap-Z-ro on July 26, 2014, 12:50:30 PM
As you probably know, wikipedia has long been overtaken by Big Pharma interests who use wikipedia to deliberate smear natural medicine and all the people and organizations who are part of it. One of wikipedia's key founders has openly said he is strongly opposed to alternative medicine, and it's clear the wikipedia website is deliberately used as a tool to defame and disparage holistic doctors, non-profit groups and even healing nutrients!
It's worse than that.
Wikipedia is a jewish propaganda tool. That's not only include the pharma mafia but many other jewish mafias.
http://en.metapedia.org/wiki/Examples_of_censorship_and_propaganda_in_Wikipedia (http://en.metapedia.org/wiki/Examples_of_censorship_and_propaganda_in_Wikipedia)
Quote from: bugler on July 31, 2014, 08:22:49 AM
It's worse than that.
Wikipedia is a jewish propaganda tool. That's not only include the pharma mafia but many other jewish mafias.
http://en.metapedia.org/wiki/Examples_of_censorship_and_propaganda_in_Wikipedia (http://en.metapedia.org/wiki/Examples_of_censorship_and_propaganda_in_Wikipedia)
Yeah, I know who owns wiki Bugler...but in order to confine the topic to a new site, as opposed to the controlled wiki site, I deliberately avoided addressing its true owners...but I guess that ship has already sailed a while ago.
True true jewish people have no part in this...its actually zionist tyrants (ZT's - the i is silent) who wrap themselves in jewish garb, who are behind wiki and all global corruption.
Regards...
One would like to believe that there is indeed a "True Jewish
People" who have upheld the covenant and who obey the
commandments. But then again, "Jewish" has been given an
entirely different definition by those who claim the name today.
This article (http://www.darkmoon.me/2014/the-paul-craig-roberts-column-july-31-2014/) describes a truth which is painful to read. How can
any people be so heartless and so brutal?
The people of America and the E.U. (including the U.K.) have been
trance-formed to have great fear for the Lobby.
Quote from: SeaMonkey on July 31, 2014, 11:39:54 PM
One would like to believe that there is indeed a "True Jewish
People" who have upheld the covenant and who obey the
commandments. But then again, "Jewish" has been given an
entirely different definition by those who claim the name today.
This article (http://www.darkmoon.me/2014/the-paul-craig-roberts-column-july-31-2014/) describes a truth which is painful to read. How can
any people be so heartless and so brutal?
The people of America and the E.U. (including the U.K.) have been
trance-formed to have great fear for the Lobby.
Nutenyahoo is a war criminal. He carries the very same disease that a certain central European leader carried in early 20th century: Entire classes of other human beings are to be regarded as subhuman. They can be plundered and murdered because they are members of the declared subhuman group.
I am of scottish decent, with my roots on both sides going straight back to Scotland, and I am more of a jew than the so called "state of israel".
One only needs to look at their flag...how jewish is that ?
That flag is but a symbol of the murderous babalonian blood lines it represents.
Any truly representative jewish flag would be a depiction of the Menorah...not some masonic based geometric symbol.
Regards...
Quote from: MarkE on August 01, 2014, 01:02:31 AM
Nutenyahoo is a war criminal. He carries the very same disease that a certain central European leader carried in early 20th century:
If you research the topic you will learn that truth and history are quite different things.
The greater majority are war criminals...at the very least, by proxy.
The rest are murderers...and at the very least, by proxy.
And the history that they write contains none of the above truisms.
Regards...
Quote from: MarkE
Nutenyahoo is a war criminal. He carries the same disease that a certain central
European leader carried in the early 20th century.
Quote from: bugler
If you research the topic you will learn that truth and history are quite different things.
Aye, it is very true that history as written by the "victors"
is fantasy and propaganda. Finding Truth does require
considerable research and effort. Thankfully, the numbers
of those People who are seeking Truth is gradually increasing.
Aye, Cap-Z-ro, the lot of them are war criminals and murderers
who operate with impunity since they "own" the system. They
seem to have forgotten that all are "watched" and our deeds
recorded for a future Judgment. Nothing is missed in the dark-
ness which they believe shields them and none will be exempt.
Those people live in the worst form of hell.
They are forever doomed to perpetually try to fill the empty sieve that is their ego, each and every waking moment, in a futile quest to find lasting fulfillment.
Lasting happiness and content con only be attained by living a life of integrity and offering a helping hand to other living beings when needed.
So very simple.
Regards...