so this would be the most simple coil.
it is not the most powerfull ring.
the wires do get hot.
it cancels the fulx in a certain way the electrons are free to move.
it still does need a 9 volt battery for the OSC.
it needs to speed up a bit without the load otherwise it wont start at all.
no magnets are used.
Nice mate, how long does the battery last when the bulb is on? And how many watts are we talking about here.
Thanks
Holy shit! :o
Turbo just lit a 60w bulb with a 9volt battery. WOO HOO 4 progress!
Congrats turbo!
~Dingus
Quote from: turbo on November 29, 2006, 04:13:49 PM
so this would be the most simple coil.
it is not the most powerfull ring.
the wires do get hot.
it cancels the fulx in a certain way the electrons are free to move.
it still does need a 9 volt battery for the OSC.
it needs to speed up a bit without the load otherwise it wont start at all.
no magnets are used.
@Turbo,
COngrats on your experiement.
I have several questions and I am hoping you will share with us.
What frequency is the osc running at?
IS the core of your TPU similar to SM's?COllector, control, etc..
Where are you taking the power off for the bulb? THe collector?
I appears your coil design looks bifilar, is this the case?
I understand you have to wait for the osc to ramp up, how long?
What is the actual output of the TPU? AC, DC or combination?
Have you scoped the output yet?
It appears you have hit on the magic mix, can you provide details on your design?
Thanks for sharing.
Looks great. I hope any advancement what so ever is documented at wiki's such as -->
http://peswiki.com
http://www.emwiki.info
both of the above wiki's use the same format, so you only need to copy and paste from one site to the next.
Looks good enough to document. Personally I don't trust this overunity.com server as reliable backup of information.
Regards,
Paul Lowrance
:)
Well the more than one way to skin a cat got them talking. I'm making a aircore transformer 40 wraps primary, 40 wraps secoundary, 40 wraps (inverted output) trimary. 4 sections coil. I'll try rotating 2 fields around a collector. One step at a time. I think if we can completely control the speed we can prevent reaching Q and control the heat. I'll add a stationary field for output later.
The understanding I got from the first posts was the controls are patented. You guys are asking taboo questions. I asked a question that was seemingly taboo too. I asked after studying the best I could with my equipement if, it was when the cores of the magnetic spheres collide align when crap really happens, instead of when they first collide. No answer was forth coming so I assume my results were correct. The stationary field asorbes an amazing amount of eneregy from the passing field.
Well I've been watching the Gov. and I better get gas in the snow blower tonight before I start building that coil.
Hey Turbo!
AWESOME Setup!!! it's sooo simple!!! Though I am wondering what method you are using to oscillate the coils with. Are you using a set oscillator chip like a 555/566 or something or are you using some of those self-triggering sensor coil things like the solid-state tesla coil that someone posted a link for a while back??
Thank you for sharing this with us!!!!!!
God Bless,
Jason O
QuoteThe stationary field asorbes an amazing amount of eneregy from the passing field.
.
Hi raburgeson,
This is interesting. Could you elaborate more on what you are talking about with a stationary field and a moving field? What kind of field are you talking about? Electric, magnetic, Radiant?
God Bless,
Jason O
Quote from: turbo on November 29, 2006, 04:13:49 PM
so this would be the most simple coil.
it is not the most powerfull ring.
the wires do get hot.
it cancels the fulx in a certain way the electrons are free to move.
it still does need a 9 volt battery for the OSC.
it needs to speed up a bit without the load otherwise it wont start at all.
no magnets are used.
Yes, pertinent doco will spell success or doom.
--giantkiller.
Good thing I checked back,Ã, looks like turbo has something very interesting.Ã, Thanks for posting!
Stephan,
Nice upgrade to the forum,Ã, but I get lot's of database errors. I keep on clicking and hitting refresh until it works.
For those who are half blind like me :)Ã, I almost missed the video turbo posted, its the link under the second picture he posted,Ã, there you see he lights a typical lightbulb,Ã, very impressive!
Yeah, very cool. For some reason (many actually) this work seems familiar.
Anyone else?
GNO,
we all know who .. lets just get the specs on this an start reproduction, confirmation and dissemination as promised.
Regards,
DM
I think Turbo is 'ON' something here. And I think we could learn more with Turbo sample.
I hope (if not big, we can at least start/get somewhere) Turbo TPU will be the best bet for now.
I'm also trying to do my own TPU. Not yet completed but slow and steady.
Regards,
xilusma
use energy wisely
Yes I hope Turbo posts the circuit drawing and that this is a break through and not just a dc power inverter. SM uses no batteries in some models.
C0mster
Hi Everyone,
As soon as I saw his coils, this pdf I had sitting on my computer about this antigravity toroid thing looks almost exactly like Turbo's coil! I attached the file below.
God Bless,
Jason O
And Stefan, I think it's good if we could transfer TURBO TPU tread to a new one.
At least we could do separate discussion on this matter reather than cramp it in this big tread.
Regards
Quote from: dean_mcgowan on November 29, 2006, 11:45:57 PM
GNO,
we all know who .. lets just get the specs on this an start reproduction, confirmation and dissemination as promised.
Regards,
DM
Well, you do at least. Good eye?
Also, nice new look on the site stefan. At least the ads are out of the way. Good job.
Quote from: c0mster on November 29, 2006, 11:50:44 PM
Yes I hope Turbo posts the circuit drawing and that this is a break through and not just a dc power inverter. SM uses no batteries.
C0mster
Not true...
a few of the models use no batteries...
in the rest, SM uses batteries to start the right oscillations and then disconnects the batteries as the power is fed back to keep the oscillations continuous....
GREAT JOB TURBO!
using the cadaceus/(motional e field)/scalar idea of canceling magnetic flux to instantiate electron movement via scalar/longitudinal waves...NICE!
Hi Tao,
Do you create a motional E-field in the same manner that you create a motional magnetic field?
God Bless,
Jason O
Quote from: Jdo300 on November 30, 2006, 01:51:10 AM
Hi Tao,
Do you create a motional E-field in the same manner that you create a motional magnetic field?
God Bless,
Jason O
I said 'motional e field' as a homage to William Hooper: http://www.rexresearch.com/hooper/hooper1.htm
He called what he saw the 'motinal e field', which according to his designs and such, is really just like serially wound bifilar coils or cadaceus coils. The magnetic flux is canceled and depending on how the coils are wound you can get a apparent motional e field that radiates from the coil setups.
This 'motional e field' that Hooper discovered some time ago is really the same as what many call scalar waves now, Hooper found that his 'motional e field' could easily go through/into Faraday's cages, etc. All of those effects being just like we know of the longitudinal or scalar waves of Tesla...
Execellent stuff by Turbo, keen for more details like, what voltage he is getting out and how long he can run that light globe for etc.
Hi Turbo,
Looks like your getting bomarded with questions, which is cool because we want to know more......hehehehe
I got one, if you stick a compass in the middle do you see it rotating?
Good work
hope we hear from ya soon.
Dom :D
Quote from: turbo on November 23, 2006, 08:35:48 PM
Some coils wil be better if they are wound as *-filar serially-connected coils, which just means that the wire used to wind them is multiplied over from certain point(s) before the coil is wound.
etc. etc.
I do not understand. What does wire, "multiplied over from certain point(s)," mean?
I can not picture your concept in my mind with these words alone. Perhaps a drawing?
bifilar serial winding:
http://www.tesla-coil-builder.com/bifilar_electromagnet.htm
not to be confused with caduceus, etc.
Quote from: Spherenot on November 30, 2006, 07:54:04 AM
Quote from: turbo on November 23, 2006, 08:35:48 PM
Some coils wil be better if they are wound as *-filar serially-connected coils, which just means that the wire used to wind them is multiplied over from certain point(s) before the coil is wound.
etc. etc.
I do not understand. What does wire, "multiplied over from certain point(s)," mean?
I can not picture your concept in my mind with these words alone. Perhaps a drawing?
He means folded over at a mid point and then wound like a coil.
Here is a picture showing this:
Hi turbo, what a breakthrough ! Congratulations !
We wait for a circuit drawing and specifications !
The measurements and adjustments can be accomplished with any replication.
Greetz, Pontifex
looks like Turbo is defanately on to something :D
i'm looking foreward to seeing some diagrams, and seeing if someone else can make it work .
Congratulations Turbo !
Quote from: tao on November 30, 2006, 09:42:55 AM
Quote from: Spherenot on November 30, 2006, 07:54:04 AM
Quote from: turbo on November 23, 2006, 08:35:48 PM
Some coils wil be better if they are wound as *-filar serially-connected coils, which just means that the wire used to wind them is multiplied over from certain point(s) before the coil is wound.
etc. etc.
I do not understand. What does wire, "multiplied over from certain point(s)," mean?
I can not picture your concept in my mind with these words alone. Perhaps a drawing?
He means folded over at a mid point and then wound like a coil.
Here is a picture showing this:
This is very similar to the internal winding start of the Mobius Toroid. The next step shows a continuous controller wound around that. But the MT then has a trinary winding of a main winding. As in 1 winding coiling at different sections. Much towards the Rodin. These are all very close.
Also in regards to a dc to dc convertor: I have a bunch of these around. They are used to take (2) n-cells and pump up the wattage to drive the Otto Bock myoelectric controller and robotic hand. As you can see they fit into a two 9volt package like what had been posted about a lump on one of SM's coil.
--giantkiller.
Quote from: tao on November 30, 2006, 09:42:55 AM
Quote from: Spherenot on November 30, 2006, 07:54:04 AM
Quote from: turbo on November 23, 2006, 08:35:48 PM
Some coils wil be better if they are wound as *-filar serially-connected coils, which just means that the wire used to wind them is multiplied over from certain point(s) before the coil is wound.
etc. etc.
I do not understand. What does wire, "multiplied over from certain point(s)," mean?
I can not picture your concept in my mind with these words alone. Perhaps a drawing?
He means folded over at a mid point and then wound like a coil.
Here is a picture showing this:
Hi Tao,
Thanks for clearing that up. I was wondering about that also myself. Everybody, I'm wondering if someone could offer some thoughts about the trinary toroidal winding on Turbo's coil. I'm assuming that the serial bifilar one is the collector coil? But as I was trying to pick apart the picture, I payed closed attention to the wires that he had running from the coil to the three transistors (see picture). It appears that the right two transistors have their emitters connected (to pulse the coil) but the left one has two wires connected to it. It looks like the left most wire is switching it while the right wire is being pulsed?? On the other two transistors, I can't see any connections to switch them on. What do you think is going on there?
Also, is that little black thing on the left a 555 timer or oscillator chip?
God bless,
Jason O
Here are a few caps from the vid Turbo posted. it looks as if there are 2 wires to the right side transistor and maybe 2, definitely 1 on the left side. The small grouping of components on the left gets the red wire from the coil.
Can you make out what the core is made of? Kinda looks like tin foil or a metal core.
Here again is what Turbo has posted:
so this would be the most simple coil.
it is not the most powerful ring.
the wires do get hot.
it cancels the flux in a certain way the electrons are free to move.
it still does need a 9 volt battery for the OSC.
it needs to speed up a bit without the load otherwise it wont start at all.
no magnets are used.
Potential eddies are capable of a structure formation, and they spread due to their particle character as longitudinal shock wave in the area.
RE (radiant energy) shock waves actually auto-intensify when encountering segmented objects.
The segmentation is the key to releasing the action.
This shock wave does not pass through the windings of the coil but treats the surface of the coil as a transmission path.
The RE wave is quite different from the electromagnetic field generated around a wire.
Some coils will be better if they are wound as *-filar serially-connected coils, which just means that the wire used to wind them is multiplied over from certain point(s) before the coil is wound.
The reason for this arrangement is that the magnetic field component of the coils is (nearly) zero as the current flowing across the wire is flowing in opposite directions in alternate turns, and so the magnetic field produced should cancel out.
High voltage high frequency alternating current between two metal objects create a solid state "space" exhibiting the attributes of mass, inertia and momentum.
etc. etc.
Hi Turbo! I want to thanks you for sharing your knowledge on RE Shock Waves. Can you toss a few more bones to us hungry dogs?
Thanks again!
~Dan
well, I was wrong about who I thought it was. I was pretty damn sure too. Bummer.
Well, here's hoping that Turbo is open minded about sharing schematics, etc.
Rich
hi gn0stik,
maybe you are not wrong about who you thought it was.
I speculate that this time he just wanted to toss a very big bone to us ["so this would be the most simple coil"] and waits for replication attempts...
Greetz, Pontifex
Hey Pope,
Maybe. but I don't think I thought what you think I thought. (whew that was a mouth ful)
I thought it was Marco, and he said that it was definitely not him. The reason I thought that is because of some things he said, about cancelling flux and whatnot. Also, the video format, and quality is similar to some of his past posts. I thought perhaps it was the same camera.
At any rate, turns out that it's not him. He actually laughed at me.
Oh well.
Seems turbo posts from later at night to early in the morning (my time), so he's probably not even read the board today since he dropped his bombshell on us.
Rich.
Hi All,
first congratulationsto user TURBO !
Well done man !
Please post more infos,
how you did it and what the waveforms on the output look like.
Many thanks.
I have splitted this topic now,
so it is not lost in the other long thread !
I am still working on reducing the load on the forum.
My hosting provider is also looking,
what is generating this huge load onto the forum in this moment,
Please stay tuned.
I hope to have fixed it soon.
Many thanks..
Regards, Stefan.
:)
Quote from: Spherenot on November 30, 2006, 05:09:45 PM
Quote from: X on November 30, 2006, 04:44:51 PM
Well, it seems Turbo found the secret, same as this guy...
A second ago I thought I read, "... same as me." Posted by "ctglabs," not "x." Whatever.
I hope turbo is not the same as "this guy" and posts a schematic and some more details. If the battery stays cool that is. Would you know, x, if "this guy's" battery gets hot?
I asked turbo the same question recently and I wait for a reply.
Yes, that's what I saw. I searched the members for ctglabs and the search returned X.
It's OK, people might be scared so they're hiding their identity. Nothing wrong with that.
The thing to do is post the information so it can't be supressed.
Congratulations to turbo, ctglabs, X, or whoever else did it.
This gives me hope its doable, but a diagram would be nice.
:)
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I'm just hearing some sounds from the AVI file, ???
Is it supposed to be a video file?
Quote from: EMdevices on November 30, 2006, 05:43:22 PM
I'm just hearing some sounds from the AVI file, ???
Is it supposed to be a video file?
yes
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Quote from: X on November 30, 2006, 05:54:34 PM
X
that does not explaine anything. how about some details on how it works?
Quote from: X on November 30, 2006, 05:36:16 PM
X
You should start your own topic as well: "user X's replication of Steven Mark's TPU"
Very interesting video... :)
I wonder if there are batteries in that device?
Well people, these are the breakthroughs our members have been waiting for... Except for one little problem... The members who replicated are both anonymous newbies and not regulars or open source supporters. (as far as I know)
The plot thickens yet again...
Better back up important posts, with these threads you can never know whats coming next. This I can say for sure, 40-100 watt bulbs can not be dirrectly lit by a 9 volt battery. I tryed it this morn.
:D :D :D
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Quote from: FreeEnergy on November 30, 2006, 05:59:05 PM
Quote from: X on November 30, 2006, 05:54:34 PM
X
that does not explaine anything. how about some details on how it works?
The details are there... give it time. If I'm reading the situation right, and I may not be, We all need to sit back and watch for now. Each video and picture has one more detail then the last. Give it time and one of our members will crack it. It would seem that the person(s) posting the pics and vids is not here to "give it", they are here to watch us work. So for now, lets all just be a little extra analytical while observing.
~Dingus
P.S. Many thanks to those who are trying to get this device out.
Quote from: X on November 30, 2006, 06:04:59 PM
X
ok ok we believe you it works, you proven your point...now for some details on how we can replicate it?
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Wow....
I've not been teased this much since High School....!
How about specs and a diagram?
We know it works..... You've convinced us...! Really you have...!
Please let this screaming CAT out of the BAG!
Thanks!
~Dan
Hehehehe patience all
Good things come for those who wait.......
Lets give him a chance
Dom :D
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" ??? " ~x
:D - LOL
For someone who "don't know", you sure know a lot!
I feel this may be the first step twards something great.
Thanks to all members watching this thread and documenting the data being released. I can only pray that the world will be able to recieve such devices soon, but till then there is much to learn.
Thank you,
~Dingus
what happened to the pdf file X uploaded here? anyone else get it? upload again here please...
Hi Mr X or Turbo,
Well done!
So you like to watch "East Enders" while doing your experiments?
So you must live in the UK (at a guess).
For your next video, please can you use a clear 40w bulb.
If you do not have one then I would be more than happy to pop one in the post for you. Or you could use a 50W GU10 halogen lamp, I could post you one of those too.
I was going to hoax and experiment like this (not that I would) I would use a pearl bulb and hide a Lithium cell and bulb inside it and to complete the illusion I would just short the edison terminals of the bulb on the winding.
Its very exiting and I look forward to seeing more details about your experiment.
Also I notice you removed the link for the patent 6015476 Jan 18 2000,
Plasma Reactor magnet with independently controllable axial current-carrying elements.
(there it is again for those who missed it).
Regards
Rob
:(
Hi Turbo,
I just re-read all the threads again and realise that you and X are not the same person. Also all of the Posts fom X have been blanked, weired?
Please can you post some info on the pulse circuit and the core material so we can all reproduce it.
Regards
Rob
X is showing you the path
use anything for the core, its the segmentation thats important, feed the frequencies in and see.
look at all of X's videos the toroids are segmented. Also Turbos is the same.
Dom :D
Hi X,
AWESOME!!! Thanks for sharing your device with us!!
This may sound strange but I'm really not all that put off by the lack of details at the moment. Part of inventing this is the "thrill of the chase" as they say... I have been following the development of this since the original info was posted and I'd say that I've learned SOOO much just from trying to figure it out. I love all that I have learned and am thankful for all the valuable knowledge being shared here.
Keep up the great work everybody!!
Can someone PM me the X's video tpu13.avi? It didn't download right when he had it posted and now it's gone.
Thanks,
Jason O
I don't know what all this playing hide and seek is about.
If you can calculate 1 + 1 you will find Mr.X very easily.
As people have figured out Mr.X is the former User ctglabs who lives in the UK and even has an ebay account under the same name:
[removed]
A few minutes ago he - among others known here - he was online on this forum: http://www.gn0sis.com
His homepage could easily be identified as [removed]
Registrant:
[removed]
Who lives there ? [removed].
By thinking that any government org is much faster than we are, they could already be knocking at Mr. [removed] front door.
So, again: what is all this game about? You folks must have a lot of fun now. Instead, the circuit drawings and specifications should be published....
Greetz, Pontifex
P.S.: [X asked me to remove his personal details from my post.]
Hi X, I do not understand your question: "Do you really think that device can work, or do you think it can be fake?" Can you please lift the veil of secrecy & disinformation concerning your postings and stop acting like a teenage troll ??
Well....
Yes, you are right. If D. Mason is the one posting and then no giving this out....he puts himself a great risk.
Do you HEAR that Dave!!! Do the smart thing.....
~Dan
P.S.
Thanks again Turbo, X for sharing the info...!
Well , if i had something that gave more out than in, i would find it hard really not to spill the beans,
Anyways i live in the Uk, south coast , the same as this guy, in dorset, and kent is the south east,me at the south west ;-).
Quote from: Dingus Mungus on November 30, 2006, 06:02:00 PM
This I can say for sure, 40-100 watt bulbs can not be dirrectly lit by a 9 volt battery. I tryed it this morn. :D :D :D
Ah, but Will a 12v battery light up a light bulb? A 12v to ac converter at wallymart will light a bulb and anything else in the house as well.
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When first looking at the pic, It appeared to me it was just a 9v battery with a step-up converter to convert it to 12-13volts and then that ran through the coil to boost it up even more.
So the most thing that would be important is the coil.
----------------
Another question I want to know is HOW LONG does it power the bulb before running down the 9v battery? If it's less than a minute or to, I'd guess it's just an improved dc to ac converter.
If it runs for a good while say 11-45 min., then it's creating a good amount of power from another source...and would seem the exess power could be looped. How much power does it produce would be good to know as well.
---------------
Anyone know how to make the coil part?
Also, why is the X dude's post edited and blank ?
I'm getting that site error that other people are getting.
When this happens, I have to clear my cache in order to get it to re-load the page. Then this site works for several more pages.
Hi All,
not to put to much crap in this thread, I found if you get the error while loading page, count to 5 seconds and hit the reload button, and it will come good.
Cheers,
Dom
Quote from: huhh on November 30, 2006, 09:46:41 PM
Quote from: Dingus Mungus on November 30, 2006, 06:02:00 PM
This I can say for sure, 40-100 watt bulbs can not be dirrectly lit by a 9 volt battery. I tryed it this morn. :D :D :D
Ah, but Will a 12v battery light up a light bulb? A 12v to ac converter at wallymart will light a bulb and anything else in the house as well.
----------------
When first looking at the pic, It appeared to me it was just a 9v battery with a step-up converter to convert it to 12-13volts and then that ran through the coil to boost it up even more.
So the most thing that would be important is the coil.
----------------
Another question I want to know is HOW LONG does it power the bulb before running down the 9v battery? If it's less than a minute or to, I'd guess it's just an improved dc to ac converter.
If it runs for a good while say 11-45 min., then it's creating a good amount of power from another source...and would seem the exess power could be looped. How much power does it produce would be good to know as well.
---------------
Anyone know how to make the coil part?
Also, why is the X dude's post edited and blank ?
I'm getting that site error that other people are getting.
When this happens, I have to clear my cache in order to get it to re-load the page. Then this site works for several more pages.
i'd like to see more video too. a few seconds of a lit light bulb just doesn't cut it for me. i hope dearly that this is the real thing, though... :o
User "X" is ctglabs.com,
at least he has it as his email address listed his name there in his account.
I will email him now to clarify , if he really did delete all of his own
postings..
or if someone is trying to modify the database remotely...
I hate these "cat and mouse games..."
What is going on here ?
Murphy?s law again is hitting hard,
if everything can go wrong, it will....
first these annoying database access problem due to
ISP provider incompetence and low access limits and now cat and mouse games
from users who are not sure, what they should post and what not...
hmmm...
Regards, Stefan.
Here are the files that Mr.X has deleted:
4 videos, 1 picture, 1 pdf-file
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=6VC0S5DW (http://www.megaupload.com/?d=6VC0S5DW)
Greetz, Pontifex
@all,
I think for the time being, it doesn't matter, whether the battery last for a few minute or second. Either the frequency, current or voltage changes. The most important thing is the configuration of the circuit and critically the coil.
This, at least could lead some light for the rest to duplicate. It doesn't need to be as "glamorous" as the SM TPU, but at least it shows the principal and it work.
I think we better concentrate on the circuit and coil configuration first before we go further with our "Highly Theory" on this.
Regards,
p/s Turbo, don't let others remark put you off. I think (personally) even if you TPU only manage to generate a small wattage, it still something that we could look forward with and learn from it, and hopefully and eventually evolved the finding into something useful.
Quote from: Pontifex on November 30, 2006, 10:55:05 PM
Here are the files that Mr.X has deleted:
4 videos, 1 picture, 1 pdf-file
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=6VC0S5DW (http://www.megaupload.com/?d=6VC0S5DW)
Greetz, Pontifex
@Pontifex
Is there another way that I could download the file, as currently it seem I can't do that from my country.
thanks
Hello guys,
There is nothing strange in the video from Turbo. I could do that since I was a kid. Try to calculate the work done in the show. A 40W light bulb worked for 10 seconds is 400 joules. A 9V battery 170mA work done at least 1 hour could provide:
9 * 0.17 * 3600 = 5508 joules. Therefore any simple step up converter can be used to show that magic.
I heard a new movie about Tesla helped a magician to do magic, there are too many magic. The unit (Joule) is a good drug to cure mental disease.
@tosky
Ok. Please duplicate Turbo's design or similar and post a video here so we can all take a good look at it.
Thanks!
~Dan
Tosky
You are correct, a battery may have the required joules to do the job. The problem is when you try to upconvert, the amperage drain is very high and this requirement is in opposition to the internal resistance of the (small) battery. Hence the battery becomes the load ,quickly overheating, outgassing if not exploding. I can supply all my calculations and test data to show this as I was also once skeptical.
................Vortex
Quote from: Pontifex on November 30, 2006, 10:55:05 PM
Here are the files that Mr.X has deleted:
4 videos, 1 picture, 1 pdf-file
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=6VC0S5DW (http://www.megaupload.com/?d=6VC0S5DW)
Greetz, Pontifex
Wow,
it seems somebody has replicated the TPU !
Is this Dave Mason of CTGLABS.COM in the video ???
Or is he called David Clarke ?
Or is Clarke his second "first" name ?
So is he called David Clarke Mason ?
Hi Dave, if you read this,
please don?t hide and let us know.
Many thanks.
Regards, Stefan.
Hi All,
the new File:
TPU.rar
is now available at:
www.overunity.com/stevenmark/TPU.rar
About 20 Mbytes big.
You need WinRAR to unpack it.
Many thanks for making this available.
Regards, Stefan.
@ All and Stefan,
I think, from the video available from SM to Turbo and the latest from "Dave" showed that the TPU is and can be built, working and duplicate.
I think we need to pull our effort together in order to make the TPU (at least the basic) duplicate-able.
And please, stop the scrutinise the TPU with all the JARGON which I think has make the learning more harder/obstacle than it supposed to be.
Make the learning more fun and fruitable. Let the simple be simple and let-off the "academician/scientist", at least after we can built the basic.
Regards
Very weird, is turbo -> x? is that right, and why post all these things then shortly after go and edit them out? Very strange behavior. Here's hoping they will give us some more information in the coming days.
I can confirm from other postings with the same IP address,
that user TURBO is
the former user Marco from the Netherlands
and that user
X
is Dave Mason from CTGLABS.COM
So I wonder, why they try to play cat and mouse games with
us over here ?
Please Marco and Dave speak up, what you have and
don?t hide behind anonymous usernames...
This topics is too important to be played games with...
If you have a working TPU replication, please let us know
and post more infos or at least post what you try to do with it now...
Many thanks.
Regards, Stefan.
I hate to get into this conversation being as uneducated as I am on this topic. I just thought I would ask if someone can explain the whole principle in laymens terms? Or if you could provide some links to where I could study up? Thanks,
Tim
Turbos device is very interesting and simple.
Reminds me that the other day I was just fooling around with a 12 volts DC 4A battery and some transformers. I was trying to see if using regular off the shelf transformers would have any effects when hitting the battery terminals, sort of like the kick you guys talk about. I put my voltmeter on the output of the transformers and set it at 1000 vdc.
After trying about 5 different types with no results, I tried a standard 115 VAC to 12V - 0 - 12V 2A transformer Amstad brand model AM-TR-24T-2. Using the two wires on the input side, I put one end on the positive battery terminal and took the other wire and started to tap on the battery negative terminal while looking at my voltmeter. I found that by tapping on the battery terminal about 4 to 7 times per second, I was getting voltage readings from 600 to over 1000 volts dc. I did not get anything that high by using the other transformers. Plus I could feel the transformer was jolting each time I hit the negative battery terminal.
Also, my TV is about 6 feet away and every time I tapped the transformer wire on the battery negative terminal, the TV screen would show static. Never saw this before.
I am wondering if a circuit was made to connect and disconnect using a transistor(s) or triac(s) with an adjustable tapping rate, this voltage may be harnessed somehow.
I'm not an electronics guy so this is above me. I'm more into the mechanical and logic end. But maybe all we are seeing in the TPU is a way to generate a small DC voltage with the magnet over a coil, then tapping a larger coil on the negative terminal of that voltage. Also by tapping 4 coils in succession, this would maybe smoothen out the output voltage.
What you call a rotating field may simply be a way to tap one coil, then tap the second before the first coil deenergizes, then the third coil before the second deenergizes, then the fourth coil before the third deenergizes, etc.
If I remember correctly SM mentioned while having his smaller coil in his hands, that it was vibrating at 7.5 hertz.
I made a crude diagram to show what I was doing. I know this is actually very rudimentary but I thought I should mention it in case there was something there.
Hi Dansway, Vortex1,
I believe the TPU device is true but not the one from Turbo. He may be on the way towards a close loop TPU but not yet. About the step up converter, when you choose the best MOS-FET (very low on/off voltage) and a good driver circuit and matching primary coil. It could be minimize the lost to be very high efficiency enough for 10 second show. But if you use the bipolar transistor you at least lost (0.6V * I) due to the drop of the diode. Driving the MOS-FET needs a higher voltage for the threshold of the Gate. So for simplicity a 9V cell is more suitable than a 6V lithium cell to do the magic show. Because all we know the 9V cell is weak cell. He may be so kind to encourage us to really try it out and speed up the research. He knows what we will ask. He should simply (disconnect the 9V cell or tell how long the cell will last) instead of so many rows of sentence. Please correct me if I am wrong.
Hi wattsup,
I believe that your idea is right on par with what Mr. Mark has been telling us all along. It's the inrush current that is the secret to the kick. Remember the reference Mr. Mark made to the valve amplifiers book? That initial current/voltage spike when you first connect the circuit is what I believe the kick is. So if you make enough of them at the right frequency (so that the waves add in the space of the toroid), then you can multiply the power exponentially without an appreciable input from the transistor. Then it's simply a matter of making a circuit which can safely feed some power back in (or a 9V battery) to maintain the oscillations to excite the kicks in the coil.
At this point, my thought is that Mr. Mark inputs two frequencies, which produce the third (beat?) frequency in the coil. It is this third frequency that travels around the ring at 7.8 (or 5000) or whatever Hz to produce the power. Again just my speculations.
God Bless,
Jason O
tosky
You are correct, it is possible to produce a quick light of lamp with a small battery. It is not possible for 3 to 5 minutes. I wish the demonstrators would be so kind as to provide voltage / current monitor of their source battery if one is used. As for lamps, clear glass visible filaments preferred with scope on output.
I believe these gentlemen may have something good, why muddy the water with magic shows. Use a lamp base so the bulb doesn't burn your fingers, then you can leave it on longer for a real impressive demo. Just a suggestion. Congratulations to them anyway.
..............V
Quote from: wattsup on December 01, 2006, 01:39:30 AM
Turbos device is very interesting and simple.
Reminds me that the other day I was just fooling around with a 12 volts DC 4A battery and some transformers. I was trying to see if using regular off the shelf transformers would have any effects when hitting the battery terminals, sort of like the kick you guys talk about. I put my voltmeter on the output of the transformers and set it at 1000 vdc.
After trying about 5 different types with no results, I tried a standard 115 VAC to 12V - 0 - 12V 2A transformer Amstad brand model AM-TR-24T-2. Using the two wires on the input side, I put one end on the positive battery terminal and took the other wire and started to tap on the battery negative terminal while looking at my voltmeter. I found that by tapping on the battery terminal about 4 to 7 times per second, I was getting voltage readings from 600 to over 1000 volts dc.
I just tried that.. tapping it with 6v and multimeter showed 300-600 when set on 500v. Yet, that is not the actual voltage that it's making. If it were 300-600v it would power up something when your tapping the wire. Hooked to "neddle" type meter, it will barely jump the needle set to any voltage. Set your multimeter to a lower dc and see what it reads. But, yeah, theres probably some pulsing going on with the real tpu.
No turbo coil schematic yet?
Is that the one that's in the pdf in the tpu.rar file from X?
Hi guys,
Remember do not use any Voltage meter to determine the pulse voltage, The reading not true, use oscilloscope please.
Quote from: tosky on November 30, 2006, 11:17:48 PM
Hello guys,
There is nothing strange in the video from Turbo. I could do that since I was a kid. Try to calculate the work done in the show. A 40W light bulb worked for 10 seconds is 400 joules. A 9V battery 170mA work done at least 1 hour could provide:
9 * 0.17 * 3600 = 5508 joules. Therefore any simple step up converter can be used to show that magic.
I heard a new movie about Tesla helped a magician to do magic, there are too many magic. The unit (Joule) is a good drug to cure mental disease.
thanks for clarifying this
One of the main arguements against the 'conspiracy' to supress free energy devices is that people can not believe governments, corporations and the powerful people behind them would be willing to deny such knowledge to the public.
This forum, on a small scale, is a perfect example of that arguement being false.
A small group of users, ctglabs, marco e.t.c have replicated the device and now they are playing a game of witholding information.
Think about it. If your fellow forum members are willing to act in such a way once getting a taste of the forbidden knowledge, what do you thing your government/military/corporations would do?
I sincerely hope that they are just biding there time and will release some plans for easy replication.
For those that do not know, the PDF file is the patent application of Steve Marks and Ross D Schlueter for what looks exactly like the TPU.
Patent was filed in Feb 5 1998 and granted in Jan 18 2000 to Applied Materials, Inc.
The patent gives detailed cross section diagrams of the winding of the coils, sizes, what gauge wire to use, basically everything people have been obsessing over when trying to replicate the device. It's all there. What is missing is the control circuitry.
@archon79
Please post a link to the patent you just mentioned, SM etc.
Virus ;D
@ giantkiller
Quote from: giantkiller on November 30, 2006, 12:27:33 PM
Also in regards to a dc to dc convertor: I have a bunch of these around. They are used to take (2) n-cells and pump up the wattage to drive the Otto Bock myoelectric controller and robotic hand. As you can see they fit into a two 9volt package like what had been posted about a lump on one of SM's coil.
--giantkiller.
GK
Can you please post the circuit for this DC - DC device.
Virus ;D
Quote from: virus on December 01, 2006, 05:05:04 AM
@archon79
Please post a link to the patent you just mentioned, SM etc.
Virus ;D
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=6VC0S5DW (http://www.megaupload.com/?d=6VC0S5DW)
www.overunity.com/stevenmark/TPU.rar (http://www.overunity.com/stevenmark/TPU.rar)
The patent pdf is found in either of the above links. The patent is exactly like Steve Marks TPU device, but Turbo's device is quite different.
aint this just a giggle now ..
the lads are back for the last gaffaw ... cheesy boys very cheesy
Stefan,
I have recently joined Overunity and keep coming across people deleting their posts. This is like starting to read a book with pages missing and I find it very annoying. As the administrator can you not stop that?
Regards
AM
Quote from: Pontifex on November 30, 2006, 10:55:05 PM
Here are the files that Mr.X has deleted:
4 videos, 1 picture, 1 pdf-file
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=6VC0S5DW (http://www.megaupload.com/?d=6VC0S5DW)
Greetz, Pontifex
Pontifex
Can you help with the, "4 videos, 1 picture, 1 pdf-file", as a zip or rar file, please !
Virus ;D
i would have deleted those files before posting them fellas ... much less embarressing than being exposed as petulant, incompetant and not having the common decency to leave shit enough alone .. surprised you were allowed to post at all ..
stefan,
i request for the integrity of this forum and its members these shite for brains be run out of town, tarred and feathered and left to drown in the stench of "the ranch" where they belong with the other nut jobs that think they can transport themselves through time portals and provide fake videos to accompany said claims .. yep i have your numbers you jerks and if you want me to drag the whole heavens gate club into the clear day of light for all to see .. you just keep it up !!! yes i have all the videos etc .. and will post to this forum for all to see just what you guys are tied up in...
enough is enough !!
ps .. in case i am totally wrong here .. just post your circuits and diagrams and lets see one person here replicate it and all will be forgiven .. otherwise .. just naff off
or beam me over to the ranch where you can beat me up ... lol
What exactly do you mean by this dean? Start from the beginning
@ wattsup.
the contact sparks make on any induction ,trafo of chockes
procuce HIGH voltage (very short) sparks (. Which say your circuit analyzer ishown incorrect! .
Accept take 4 pcs 240 V of Bulbs (7-15 Watts) (of refrigerator-lamps enz) and connect this to your 960-1000 V "special circuit". If this does not shine", YOU becomes AN LIGTH up that really only short peak voltages without energy are produced ind with this circuit
Pese
I am saying that these guys had a god damn good run in this forum and now after declaring everyone here to be less than worthy underlings as though they were some protectors of the great information gospel , and running to set up their own little enclave, to which .. lets be honest here .. no one in their right mind would have subscribed to as it is against our open source forum nature, have come back wearing nothing more than clumsy black hankies over their faces and striving for one more grasp at the notoriety that they believe they deserve .. god knows why, when they have very little to offer in terms of ingenuity or integrity. So i say scamper away you little rats to the crevices you inhabit, afraid of the light as you are, you cellar dwellers.
In a nutshell archon, these guys shared in the open spirit of this forum and when they felt, like all good blood suckers, that they had had their fill they scurried of believing they had filled their bellies with all the information they desired and that some willing deciphals would follow to keep them entertained. Obviously it did not work out as planned so the side show has ensued so that they will either run a song and dance epic like the puppet masters they believe themselves to be, or fall on the floor laughing that no one here has the integrity to kick the tires of their claims and hence they can suffice themselves with the assumption that we are all fools and it was better that we did not follow them.
these are just sad desperate individuals who if ignored long enough would set themselve on fire just to get some attention.
QED
@all
please return to your former program and my apologies for interupting the good spirited well intentioned amongst the forum members.
My comments are not a reflection on the concepts or ideas presented in this thread either I always aim to keep an open mind on these topics until someone can conclusively prove or disprove and the jury is totally out on this one.
Dean (the Hulk .. you won't like me when i am angry) McGowan
Hi Dean,
no use in getting mad, it won't help here, lets not let it get you down.
He gave us several videos and he gave us a patent to look at.
I have been thinking alot, and I have been gathering alot of clues.
One good clue is segmentation, look at SM's units, the smaller toroid, they seem to be done exactly like the patent shows. Lets not stop experimenting, and the discovery process.
I'm let down also, I don't know how I feel, but to sum it up, it seems like when were so close to replication, the rug gets pulled from under us, and I rather not let that get me down.
And my first job, its a matter of time when i find how to get this working, I rather get it out there, at least wiring schematic.
Still Mr X did give us several shots of different coloured wires being used and in the smaller one it was segmen ;)ted, same with the larger one. Maybe we just need to do it, and see what we get, its a good start.
I like to give people the benefit of the doubt first, give them time to come back, perhaps we didnt give them the time, and just seeing these posts branding them as losers will just tick them off.
Anyway i know how you feel, but dont stop experimenting, I still enjoy the discovery process.
Cheers,
Dom ;)
For those wishing to reproduce something that looks like what is being shown you will need one of these:
http://www.emagictricks.co.uk/product_info.php?products_id=3903
I suspect that a few of you are stuck on this idea of a 40W bulb, if they are lieing about how it is working the are most likely lieing about the wattage.
These days you can get a high power white LED that runs off a few volts, they are used in camping lanterns.
Buy yourself a magic light, strip out the guts, put in a high power white LED and acrylic frosted defuser and thats it.
On a poor quality video and no multi-meters present this would look like the real thing. Piece of cake to fake.
So Turbo and X, prove me wrong, show us it again with meters and a clear bulb.
We all want this to be the real thing, "help us obey-1 you're our only hope".
Regards
Rob
Rob,
They are just gonna blame me for upsetting them and you will not see a thing, no proof will be forthcoming .. It's deans fault the poor and starving and needy of the world will just have to go without .. damn if i just shut my mouth and ... will i ever learn ... ohhh ... i hang my head in shame ... what have i done .... phhttttt!!!
Quote from: kingrs on December 01, 2006, 07:02:12 AM
So Turbo and X, prove me wrong, show us it again with meters and a clear bulb.
I would agree.
Nothing technical added. Deleted by Spherenot.
Hello all,
Dean
I think nobody will blame you. The people are a little bit frustrated thats all.
I would say lets work as nothing happened. If here are people who has results and will not share it its ok for me.
I think here are wonderful people and we have to work together as we did it all the time.
Guys, lets work, wind your coils if you didnt it and lets share the results.
Regards
Otto
You are all soooo right.
Its easy to power your home off a 9 volt battery...just step it up.
Offcource the bulb is fake thats why i just took it out of the kitchen lamp were its burning for almost a year, however it never shined that bright.
No, there must be something under the table.
Pherhaps i did it with photoshop.
Fools....
@stefan, thanx for showing my real identity, i really appreciate it, have you wonderd why i would use a diffrent name?
Or have you wonderd why i would post here at all?
I guess it was a stupid thing for me to go here.
ciao
... started this one to keep it going.
This is only my second post. I'm new to electronics, but now reading. Most of what's said is over my head.
However, from the turbo thread it seems that turbo is p!ss3d because his ID has been revealed. It sounded like he's now taken his ball and gone home, leaving us to play alone....
Anyway, surely if you'd stumbled upon / discovered the secret of the TPU you'd have uploaded a quick schematic of the device as well as a video. I'm bloody sure I would have taken this precaution, so that the knowledge was 'out there' before the MIB's come crashing through the door.
So, if turbe is reading this, does have some answers & is concerned about his ID being revealed, then I'd urge him to post a schematic. After all what's the point in (the MIB's) closing the stable gate once the horse has bolted!
If you know the answers, but don't give to the world, then you're no better than the people withholding the knowledge (in my humble opinion).
Siggy
Trying to find and PUBLISH this guys identity was a very supid thing.
It's highly likely that we lost this guy. I hope he still is willing to forgive some guys here, but who knows. We might have had something usefull here. Now all we have are some video's.
Turbo said:
You are all soooo right.
Its easy to power your home off a 9 volt battery...just step it up.
Offcource the bulb is fake thats why i just took it out of the kitchen lamp were its burning for almost a year, however it never shined that bright.
No, there must be something under the table.
Pherhaps i did it with photoshop.
Fools....
@stefan, thanx for showing my real identity, i really appreciate it, have you wonderd why i would use a diffrent name?
Or have you wonderd why i would post here at all?
I guess it was a stupid thing for me to go here.
ciao
I am not sure who the fool is here. If he was so worried about his name getting out, wouldn't he PM Stefan and let him know what is going on and tell him not to show his true identity? And what did he actually show us? a couple of videos of what he calls a working TPU. No drawings or information what-so-ever. Then when we question him on the device, he gets upset and leaves (again). I think Dean was right, he is a god!
Tim
I agree that anyone wishing for anonimity should have that right on the forum, for what it's worth.
Maybe the forum should disregard / no allow any videos without schematic's allowing others to reproduce the results.
After all a video can be faked! I'm not saying that 'the' video's were as I don't have anywhere the required knowledge to comment, but some have implied as much. Schematic's allow others to reproduce the device & verify the validy of the device. Which is why we're all here, sin't it?
I hope turbo is still around & is does provide schematic's of a working device. At the end of the day this is 'heavy stuff', if it's real. If it is real then I'm sure the site is being obsreved by the MIB's as well, who'll more than likely be feeding disinformation....
but then maybe I've watched too many x-files episodes!?!??
All I'd suggest is that it's better & safer to get the knowledge out to as many people as possible, as soon as possible, once any break-through is made.
I'll say again, that in my opinion, anyone who has the answers but sits on the kowledge whilke the planet goes down the pan is as bad as (if not worse) than those trying to suppress the knowledge.
Siggy
Quote
For those wishing to reproduce something that looks like what is being shown you will need one of these:
http://www.emagictricks.co.uk/product_info.php?products_id=3903
I suspect that a few of you are stuck on this idea of a 40W bulb, if they are lieing about how it is working the are most likely lieing about the wattage.
These days you can get a high power white LED that runs off a few volts, they are used in camping lanterns.
Buy yourself a magic light, strip out the guts, put in a high power white LED and acrylic frosted defuser and thats it.
On a poor quality video and no multi-meters present this would look like the real thing. Piece of cake to fake.
So Turbo and X, prove me wrong, show us it again with meters and a clear bulb.
We all want this to be the real thing, "help us obey-1 you're our only hope".
Regards
Rob
I can prove you wrong, at least on the Turbo device, Rob.
Watch turbo's video closely. Not when the light turns on, but go frame by frame, when the light turns OFF.
Those fake bulbs do not behave that way.
The filament in his bulb, glows white, then yellow, then orange, then off. In successive frames. That requires power. LEDs in a magic bulb would not do that.
A fake bulb is almost instant on, instant off. At least to the human eye.
I can't tell one way or the other on Dave's, but Marco's seems to be a real bulb.
Sorry to burst your hate bubble.
Regards,
gn0stik
Quote from: MrMag on December 01, 2006, 09:46:31 AM
Turbo said:
You are all soooo right.
Its easy to power your home off a 9 volt battery...just step it up.
Offcource the bulb is fake thats why i just took it out of the kitchen lamp were its burning for almost a year, however it never shined that bright.
No, there must be something under the table.
Pherhaps i did it with photoshop.
Fools....
@stefan, thanx for showing my real identity, i really appreciate it, have you wonderd why i would use a diffrent name?
Or have you wonderd why i would post here at all?
I guess it was a stupid thing for me to go here.
ciao
I am not sure who the fool is here. If he was so worried about his name getting out, wouldn't he PM Stefan and let him know what is going on and tell him not to show his true identity? And what did he actually show us? a couple of videos of what he calls a working TPU. No drawings or information what-so-ever. Then when we question him on the device, he gets upset and leaves (again). I think Dean was right, he is a god!
Tim
I don't see anywhere in that thread that Marco PM'd stefan and asked him not to show his real name.
this thread is pointless.
One thing I noticed from the video's is rather odd. But first I'm not saying the devices are fake at all. I have very high hopes on this one. BUT I noticed in all the video's that the lit bub does not illuminate the suroundings, like the table 20cm below, AT ALL. You see a halo from the bulb but again there does not seem to be a light cast on the table, shirt, floor. This I find very strange. Could be a camera light compensation thing maybe. The shadow from the bulb and hand is also solid. This can of course all happen if the global lamp in the room is brighter than the tpu bulb. And not I am not a disbelieverrr!
So, I got confirmation from Marco via PM that his device IS NOT FAKE!
I assume that since dave works closely with him, that neither is his. But their devices don't seem to be the same.
Perhaps it is a flexible technology?
I also know that it is NOT SM's technology. Or at least he doesn't think it is, as his source of inspiration came from another group of writings AFTER, he gave up on the SM stuff.
Some things are shared with SM's device however, and it may be revealed that the technologies are the same, but SM misinterpreted how it worked (easy enough to do)
We'll see what comes out of all this.
@Dean, snap to judge much? go have a beer and calm down mate, nobody means any harm or disrespect.
I can understand why they would choose to hide their Idetities.
Paul Brown ring a bell?
Stan Meyer?
I would have done the same thing.
I'm sorry but I agree with Turbo last post:
Stephan or anybody should not release peoples names! Period!!
I don't like it, they don't like it, any anonymous person here doesn't like it!
Let's stop with the name revealing please!
Let's just be happy people post stuff and let us know what they're doing.
However, I agree with validation and asking questions. If you have something real you should be able to defend it, or we would not lavish praise on you if we have doubts. If praise is what people desire, you have to earn it. You've only earned a pat on the back for posting stuff that to me proves its doable to some extent.
I like to give people the benefit of doubt, and I don't assume the lightbulb is fake like somebody posted, that's just offensive to turbo, I can see that. Let's stop this kind of mockery of the people that post. Innocent until proven guilty I say, has anybody realy proven him quilty? I don't think so.
And one other thing, when somebody posts, lets just be patient because they are establishing credibility, then we are all ears to what they have to say. Some people on this forum have shared DYNAMITE STUFF and I watched how nobody picked up on it the way they should. So let's let them build up credibility.
In my opinion, the proper response is to praise them for what they've revealed and humbly ask for some clarification if something doesn't look right, but not to isinuate they are faking and trying to trick us.
WOW, EM.
You nailed it.
Thanks.
I think it would be to everyone's benefit to heed those words.
Darren
I agree.
Thanks EM.
@virus,
http://www.onsemi.com/pub/Collateral/MC34063A-D.PDF (http://www.onsemi.com/pub/Collateral/MC34063A-D.PDF)
I am not saying anything is faked. I just showed another possibility that I had to use in the past.
--giantkiller. ;)
I do agree!
Thank you EM
I agree completely
Most times I don't care if it works or even if it is faked, the point is to open possibilities-perceptions, to make one think.
What if the SM device is a compete fake, but I work on it and happen to stumble onto something, come to a new understanding-make it work- What then?
Pointless criticizm has never helped anyone, never has never will.
Hi Turbo,
Hope you are still following this tread too.
Sorry if I implied that you were faking the experiment, it was just a small prompt for you to say "nope you're completely wrong, this is how its done...".
I think I can say that every single person here that wants your experiment to be successful and lead to bigger and better results.
I guess the best we can do now is second guess the whole experiment and see what results can be achieved trying different core materials, various pulse frequencies.
The circuit looks very simple, 4 wires for the input could drive a 4 phase, 3 phase or 2 phase pulse.
3 phase would match the 3 MOSFETS and therefore you would have a single common ground wire with 3 +ve pulse wires for the 3 windings.
Regards
Rob
let's slice and dice the picture - nothin better to do:
looks like there are 3 coil wraps - zoom in on the wire-tie area - but could be only two if is is the same wire:
2 sets of parallel wires and the
single red wire laid over the output coil wirescore looks insulated with clear tape and unconnected - probably bare copper wire or strip - looks like about 5 or 6 layers.
circuits - (you can speculate until doomsday) - he said he had an oscillator - so be it!
taking a guess that he is pulsing with the mosfets (or whatever they are) - they could be transistors used as diodes for all we know...could be driving them with the oscillator
Just not enough there to even shoot from the hip.
What need is the operating principles of the device - several circuits will achieve the same end.
This was pointed out before in regard to a stement by TAO:
QuoteTAO - Lets say Steven put one big stout cable around or in the rings,and all around these he had many many windings. Now, if Steven put into that stout cable a current and before the current could get to the end of the wire, he stopped it's flow abruptly, then perpendicular radiations (the KICKS), the same Tesla observed, would appear and spread from this stout cable, this would cause Tesla'a copper charging effect, which would hit all the other wires in Steven's coils. Now, if Steven wired the coils right and stopped the discharge of the current through the coils he would be able to extract a lot of extra energy from the tap points on the coils. This is basically how Tesla's magnifying transmitter works.
Capacitors discharged ABRUPTLY into a wire, then the current flow is stopped ABRUPTLY before the current makes it to the end of the wire, and this KICK comes out of the wires perpendicularly. This KICK would then charge copper with electrons(hot electricity) or their opposites(cold electricity). It just depends on how you setup the device.
So, I would say that Steven's KICKS have a direct relationship to Tesla's Magnifying Transmitter, its REAL operation.
...this guy definitely has the secret. I do not know if he will be able to duplicate power generation, but he does have the secret.
Do you think he knows it?
The only part he doesn't have any idea about is that by starting the oscillation you cause the current to flow in the collector which causes the magnification of the process within the collector which will ultimately produce the greater voltage and power in usable amounts during operation.
EDIT:
other observations of the photos:
- the core may not be connected to anything and completely insulated
- I speculate that the oscillator signal provides a "sense of direction" to the charge in the output coil, making it useful
- MOSFETs (asuming they are) may be driven alternately into different legs of the paired coil - could even be flipping pulses - who knows
I'm just grasping at shadows...
marcoturbo,
;)just a little note to say it has been glad to see you, posting here!!! thanks for the hard work. i personally don't think i will ever get it figured out, without some serious help, but that is why we all come to this site. we all need a little help now and again.
there are still alot of people working on this thing here. a little insight could go a long way. what do you say?
lol
sam
Quote from: Dingus Mungus on December 01, 2006, 07:19:48 AM
Quote from: kingrs on December 01, 2006, 07:02:12 AM
So Turbo and X, prove me wrong, show us it again with meters and a clear bulb.
I would agree.
they don't call it Open Source for nothing. :D
Hi Turbo,
We are ALL GLAD you are here. Please don't pay attention to some here that are so quick to debunk what other freely share.
Can you post some more vids and photos of your coil working?
Nothin' special just some more of the same if you can.
Regards,
~Dan
@ turbo or ctg or macro or whoever
I would agree releasing your name was totaly uncalled for, but...
Really is it wrong to want to see the power on a multimeter?
We're all looking for the same thing, and thats REAL proof...
You may already have it, why not share it with others?
Why not really proove the device like the SM videos did?
Sorry if any of my comments or questions were uncalled for but
some of these questions must me asked, and I must ask them.
Really though who says "ciao"? :D
Quote from: AhuraMazda on December 01, 2006, 05:39:32 AM
Stefan,
I have recently joined Overunity and keep coming across people deleting their posts. This is like starting to read a book with pages missing and I find it very annoying. As the administrator can you not stop that?
Regards
AM
Hi AM and ALL,
these users have just edited their posting and deleted all their
former text they had posted.
I can forbid someone to edit his posting.
I have forbidden, that users will delete their whole posting,
so they must edit it to delete the text.
I also did forbid now, that users just sign out and this way
delete a whole topic with also other posts in it...
As I am pro free speech I can not forbid a user to edit his posting.
It seems also Turbo ( Marco) had locked this thread, when
he came back.
I did now disable this feature, so users can?t lock anymore
the threads they have started.
I don?t know, why they behave this way.
If they just want to show something without telling,
what it is, it is useful for our open source free energy devices seeking userbase
over here.
So if you don?t want to explain, what it is, just don?t show it
over here...
We had too many scam artists, that did it this way and
robbed our time this way...
Many thanks for understanding.
Regards, Stefan.
Quote from: turbo on December 01, 2006, 08:34:51 AM
You are all soooo right.
Its easy to power your home off a 9 volt battery...just step it up.
Offcource the bulb is fake thats why i just took it out of the kitchen lamp were its burning for almost a year, however it never shined that bright.
No, there must be something under the table.
Pherhaps i did it with photoshop.
Fools....
@stefan, thanx for showing my real identity, i really appreciate it, have you wonderd why i would use a diffrent name?
Or have you wonderd why i would post here at all?
I guess it was a stupid thing for me to go here.
ciao
Hi Marco,
first congratulation of what you have done !
So, are you going to share the details of your device ?
Do you know why Dave deleted all his postings ?
Are you 2 now afraid to show your devices or what is going on ?
Sorry for publically announcing your identity, but
I found it strange , that Dave deleted all his video
postings and you also did not respond to all
the questions and now you tried to lock this thread,
so that not any other users could post here...
I also had the suspicion, that my admin account was
hacked and that someone did some modification
to the forum and now I changed some settings
for more security.
But now I saw, that the recent forum database access
errors had other causes..
so my account was not hacked.
So all in all I would really like it,
when you and Dave would share their findings and
get famous with it, if Steven Mark does not come
forward and will do it first himself..
Many thanks for understanding.
Regards, Stefan.
Hi guys,
Im silly enough to do another post in the slim hope that some understanding will be the result.
Some people have some good results. That does not put the burden of proof on them. Those who express doubt and who's who ,do only insult the person trying to help.
You who are nay sayers,and character assinators should be able to see that in the end you will look like oil company executives..or fools. You do yourseves and everbody else ,no service at all.
The engineers reports have been here for 9 months,as have the videos. Like I have said so many times before, if you have nothing to add just watch. BTW your doubt is not adding to any thing except doubt of others and your own stupidity.
Do not be offended by it..we all fall for it.But havig to defend this technology so many times ..It really amases me that whos who is deemed relevant by people who cant get their head aroud the fact that this is a real technology.
For the doubters
This whole thread is just designed to satisfy some peoples phsycologal disorder and see if you bite...everything is fake , its impossible, you know that . We are just internet sickos!.............Im seeing a shrink about it, trouble is He a bit crazy....now go away or be silent!
Read the first page of master of magnetics
For the logical thinkers
People are getting good results but will not discuss them amongst such fools above. That is why people delete posts..Pearls amongst swine. There is every intention to make this public..it might not happen here today.It wont hurt to keep things positive in the mean time
We'll see aye?
Lindsay Mannix
Nothing technical added. Deleted by Spherenot.
If I was really concerned about my safety and wanted to release the details of a free energy device, the best way to do it is not with some cryptic video's and hiding in the shadows.
I would make some easy to follow plans step by step. Make sure they are replicatable. Then I would upload the file to a dozen different ftp servers. Then I would register amongst many forums and over the course of about 10 minutes post details and links so many people can download. Also seed the file onto bitorrent and post the links in bitorrent forums.
There would be no stopping the spread of information then. The best cure for this is sunlight.
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@Mannix
I hope you're right about there being every intention to make this public. Let's just wait a few days and see how things play out.
I have now merged the thread about the locked topic to over here
to this thread.
I also think, that Marco?s device is no fake,
but his email address was wrong and bouncing and I could
not ask him, what was going on and because he also did
not reply in 1 and 1/2 day to the forum, I thought it would be better
to reveal his identity..
He also did not post in his first post, if he will reveal
any details...
and then there was all this sudden database problem,
so I was going paranoid and thought, someone was
hacking the database and was deleting postings..
Sorry for revealing identities, I will not do this next time...
I hope Marco and Dave will come back and tell us all
about their success now.
Regards, Stefan.
Quote from: Mannix on December 01, 2006, 05:02:06 PM
...Some people have some good results. That does not put the burden of proof on them...
It does actually! We all want to know this not some scam to sell
some books or a investment hoax of some sort. You must admit
investigation is vital to confirmation, and nay sayers will never be
convinced with words, only data.
So you could kill three birds with
one stone right now: Prove the device as OU, silence naysayers,
make it open source. This can be accomplished with a single post,
but no one seems to be truely interested in accomplishing any of
those 3 goals. If those are SM's, turbo's, and x's goals or plans, I
don't understand why they believe dragging out the process should
not create disbelief... If anything dragging it out like this will ONLY
create disbelief.
So in essence these games are a catch 22 of sorts.
Seriously though... Why wait a year? a month? a day? or an hour?
Why not just get it done and then further your own research?
~Dingus
The lamp resumption in the sended movie from ââ,¬Å"Turboââ,¬Â is one common lamp to attack Edison.
I have noticed the typical inner bulb during the switch off
Ciao
Do they look like they're trying to sell you a book or asking you for your money...
I think people here expect everything to be given to them. I've read the threads about steven mark's device, and while I have not personally tried to build it, the answers seem to be there, all the steps
I too would love to have a drawing that explains it all, but unfortunately things don't work that way. Even if they confirmed it by giving you the information you seek, you would only ask more questions, more proof, give us the diagrams and the schematics... You all know that is what would happen, you'll never be satisfied until you've built it. If you want to build it, do it... but don't expect favours
I don't think I've read anywhere yet that this is open source, so why should they release it, why not consider it more proof that it can be done, and done in different ways.
As for releasing the information about the poster, there must've been a reason in the first place as to why the poster didn't say "Hi... i'm ____"
Pathetic
If you frame capture the vids from UEC Steven Mark vids you will get the same effect with the light bulbs. Common sense right....
It proves NOTHING....
~D
If I had 110V or 240Volts coming out of that coil, I would be a little more carefull that using just my hands to push those wires against that lamp.
Jason,
Sorry it takes so long to reply, magnetic spherical fields. look at each sectional control wrap individually. Envision the field it makes and rotate it around the ring mentally. Now envision a coil section with a stationary field produced by pure dc wraped over one of the sections. As the rotating field passes through the stationary one something strange happens. My equipement is not good enough to tell you exactly what, but what ever it is, it seems to happen when the centers of the fields line up. Power is transferred to the stationary field.
Turbo you have a bifieler arrangement is your stationary field all the way around the collector. If it is could you try a quick short one instead too see if you get more or less power? To give you my reson for asking. If you run this inside a single continuous field it will never pass the center of the stationary field and may not be giving off all the energy it could.
I've been reading strange things for a bit about circuits we aren't supposed to know about. I'll set that aside and get back in the fray with the rest of you again. After we crack this we can maybe take a look at this bend and accelerate light thing.
Quote from: Superman on December 01, 2006, 05:54:34 PM
Do they look like they're trying to sell you a book or asking you for your money...
No... they don't seem to be selling anything, but they don't seem to be spreading useful knowledge either... So then the question is why are they doing this?
Quote from: Superman on December 01, 2006, 05:54:34 PM
I think people here expect everything to be given to them. I've read the threads about steven mark's device, and while I have not personally tried to build it, the answers seem to be there, all the steps
If it was all there (like it seems to you) the device would have been replicated and schematics shared. The problem is there is no real data there only assumptions and theories.
Quote from: Superman on December 01, 2006, 05:54:34 PM
I too would love to have a drawing that explains it all, but unfortunately things don't work that way. Even if they confirmed it by giving you the information you seek, you would only ask more questions, more proof, give us the diagrams and the schematics... You all know that is what would happen, you'll never be satisfied until you've built it. If you want to build it, do it... but don't expect favours
If there was a full realse to Open source there would be no more questions to ask... Thats the whole idea... Open source = no secrets
Quote from: Superman on December 01, 2006, 05:54:34 PM
I don't think I've read anywhere yet that this is open source, so why should they release it, why not consider it more proof that it can be done, and done in different ways.
Yeah that makes sense... Why release working technologies? No one wants to really use technology right? They just want to know its possible via grainy videos without explanations.
Quote from: Superman on December 01, 2006, 05:54:34 PM
As for releasing the information about the poster, there must've been a reason in the first place as to why the poster didn't say "Hi... i'm ____"
Pathetic
This I really do agree with... It was a BAD move and the users responsible have removed the personal details, but anyone can get access to those same details quite easily. If you want to be truely anonymous don't use your home IP... Common sense people.
Sharing is caring,
~Dingus
I have now merged the other thread "...TPU replication 2"
into this thread, cause it is not locked anymore.
Regards, Stefan.
Guys guys guys, what is wrong with your eyes, Has anyone gone into there sexy lab, with there rudimentary setup and tried this?
stop slamming these guys, even if they gave you photos and schematics youd end up asking more questions, and then some.
look what Mr X has done, I figured it out, with the help of another who really should take the credit, because its only by getting your hands dirty that you can work this out.
look at the unit with all the wires hanging out, the color code spills the beans, his wound 3 sets of wires , example notice the 3 green wires, its 3 wires wound together and pokes out 180 degrees from where it started, same with red and the blue, now look at the smaller unit, notice theres blue cable underneath, well this is his white wire thats coming out. which runs around it, under all the other wires.
He gave us clues, your not seeing it, look harder.
Dom
The frequency used in this device seems 2Khz ;D
Yes I really wonder how many of you actually own a soldering iron.
AM
I'm not an Electrical Engineer, but i do own a soldering iron. I
am not planning to design my own TPU. I do not have the
knowledge to do so no matter how many clues. I'm here
because I want to see the world inherit OU power sources.
Prove its overunity and you'll make my day.
You'd also make my week, my year, and my life.
I'm not nay saying or asking tough questions!!!
Just show me something real... anything hooked up to a meter!!!
Is this asking to much? Is hooking up a multimeter over the top?
~Dingus
BTW all this new account secret bullshit is killing me. How
exactly are we supposed to believe a anonymous user with only
one post? Does no one understand the terms: Authentication or
Reputation? (all this bullshit gives me a splitting headache)
Pick a name and stick with it, thanks...
p.s. stop deleting your posts... its counter productive...
Guys, Marco's device is clearly easier to decypher than Daves as all the innerds are probably tied up inside the tape. I would stop trying to study his.
I think the 2khz is noise from his PC.
Of course this is all assuming they worked on the same thing. Which I beleive they did.
Oh by the way, keep your hands from touching the ends, be very very careful, if you attempt it, and perhaps stick some fuses to kill the thing, dont forget SAFETY is PARAMOUNT.
Dom
@dingus.
Does the name Paul Brown ring a bell?
how about Stan Meyer?
Both made overunity technologies, know where they are today?
Dead.
I would have hidden my identity too.
Marco, and Dave owe us nothing, but I know they will share eventually. They probably don't even have schematics to share yet.
As to scope shots and all that bullshit?
They'll probably just give plans and say build it and find out.
At least that's what I would do.
Actually, I might not share it here at all, given the attitude. I would share it, yes. But what gives you the right to critisize?
That's the kind of crap that scared SM off. That's why we are bled infomration from SM crumb by crumb via Mannix.
Is that what you want to do again?
I have to tell you, you'd already be banned on my forum.
gn0stik.
"That is why people delete posts..Pearls amongst swine" -
Ye Master of Ye Magnetica -- or is it Oh great one .. maybe Yahwee .. The dark and powerfull all mighty truth sayer ...
Yeah yeah yeah ...
kind of sums up the mentality really don't it .. ye haa.. i will just go back to chewing my bakky with the other hogs...
ps.. it was terrible to denigrade your poor sister by likening her to such immature attempts of brinkmanship ..
and to others .. please stop using dead people to support these fools, if they had anything of any merrit they would be in all likelyhood very rich or very dead long before now.
Dean, I dont' know what crawled up your ass, but why can't you just keep it to yourself? I can't, for the life of me, see what your trying to accomplish.
Hi AhuraMazda,
I have a soldering iron (well its a soldering station - temperature controlled), clamp ammeter, LCR meter, PH/Redox meter, 5 digital multimeters, 2 analogue meters, Gould 20Mhz digital storage scope and a partridge in a pear tree.
I am currently building a replication of the MEG device at the moment and because this is related to the TPU device I am fishing for ideas and clues like all the rest here.
If I had the TPU schematic and the details of the core I could have it up and running before the end of this weekend.
And what a weekend that would be. ;o)
Regards
Rob
When the call comes out to you all to donate to "the ranch" to see this wonderfull new technology come to fruition (no plans forthcoming) lets see who has what up whos arse ..
Quote from: gn0stik on December 01, 2006, 06:56:55 PM
@dingus.
Does the name Paul Brown ring a bell?
how about Stan Meyer?
Both made overunity technologies, know where they are today?
THEY'RE BOTH DEAD AND THE TECHNOLOGY GONE FOR EVER.
good thing they were both good at keeping secrets...
100's of public demos, and no one knows how to replicate...
Big congrats to those two, I bet they're your role models.
people all i ask is that you do your due dilegence on these people and don't throw the baby out with the bath water, the idea is great lets go for it .. but lets not be hamstrung by bait and wait game..
ps .. i read the steven marks patent .. every word of it .. who's up for a discussion on that load of tripe ...
I don't think the frequency can be just handed to you. We may find a formula someday after we get enough of them working. The torriod radius probably and the individual reactance of the coils that make up the torriod are probably all involved as variables that can be pluged in if you masure them. So I expect a great deal of reluctance to post frequency because it could vary from coil to coil. We have to stumble onto the frequency a few times for different coils and then find the correlation. I'm still hurting for a new function generator, for me to look for the answer without one would be an incredible amount of work, so I'm attacking other parts of the puzzle at the moment. I'd have replaced it already except for helping nieghbors, winters coming and I have quite a few handicapped around me. It's easier to help them now than when it's cold and snow is up to my flank steaks if you know what I mean.
I don't know who will crack it first, I think everyone owns a soldering iron, noone without background should do more than lurk here. I want to point out without a background in industrial electronics you would be more likely to burn your house down than create a safe unit for generation. We are actually far from the solution, but not by the clock. Once cracked it'll only take a month for delivery. (That's my estimate for safety circuits). Posters spending time at the bench do not reply immediately, don't fight because a reply is not readily availible. You may think your question is easy and the person may be working hard to answer it.
Dingus you hit the nail on the head with that last post.
All the dead inventors mean Jack Squat to me, they did nothing with there lives because the technology is gone with them. If an inventor falls dead in the forest does anybody hear?
I think almost any dweeb could stumble onto an overunity device, but it takes real balls, a man, to get it out to everyone. This is the department where our wonderful men of supposed genius fall pathetically short. I think it's only a matter of time before someone with all the right stuff pulls this off and gets the technology out. Full Disclosure
STOP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
OK. I'm not going to make any comments about anything. I just want to put a break in this thread and say from here on out only analytical comments on how it works. If you want to refute any evidences presented thus far you can with counter fact/evidence, but keep any personal comments to yourselves. One way I like to analyze something is to break all the points down. Whats fact, proposed assumptions, and questions to still ask. Then work your way through each one and debate. No need to fallow this just thought I would mention it.
Turbo or who ever is responsible for the post I wouldn't see any harm in letting us know if we should wait for more information from you or if you are going to leave the site completely. Just a simple statement of intention. I think if we don't hear your intention within 5 days we will assume you have left already. Sooner would be better then later.
I probably wont be joining this thread because I have no idea about anything said so far. Kind of a fun read though. So good luck to all and have FUN! I hope something new is learned.
Tim
Yeah, unfortunately, they did take the answer to their graves... or a warehouse in Wash. D.C. somewhere in a box next to all Tesla's papers that were seized by the immigration dept upon his death.
So I guess we should all just ignore history, and be completely open without regard to safety, and post everything.
hey stefan.. I'm sure your hosting comes with a stats feature, doesn't it?
Any .gov domains showing up here? Just out of curiosity?
I think it's sad what happend to Paul, and Stan. Yes they are a few of my heros.. Not because they failed at giving us the technology. But because they died trying to.
Perhaps we can learn from their mistakes?
I dunno, maybe not..
we all calmed down now?
Rich
Quote from: CLaNZeR on December 01, 2006, 06:08:37 PM
If I had 110V or 240Volts coming out of that coil, I would be a little more carefull that using just my hands to push those wires against that lamp.
It's probably "cold" electricity. Marco said "i just took it out of the kitchen lamp were its burning for almost a year, however it never shined that bright.". Cold electricity powering a filament bulb generates a more blue spectrum.
we all calmed down now?
I'm willing to be calm and respectful to my fellow members, BUT
I will not stop asking questions or challanging situational logic.
Stan Meyers was a huge hero of mine. I remember seeing his dune buggy on the news when I was younger. After I read about his death my first thought was I wonder if people will take apart his car and tell others how they can use water as fuel...
I guess those who did take it apart decide we weren't ready.
Well thats just great, I only wish people would realize the only working safety solution is full disclosure to many sources.
~Dingus
well acording to the vids the gov has IDed as genuine al-quada releases he's 6'6 to 5'8 and ranges skinny to fat. The whole things a farce. This is for the rich oil companies and price gouging, and control.
Sadom was going to drill and raise the number of wells to 1200 to become the largest producer in OPEC, that would have meant more supply than demand and the price would have come down. Big oil didn't see this as a attractive arrangement. Look it up on the web don't take my word for it.
Zoom in and check my note on this pic.Fold is just a bit left and lower than the <. I didn't even sharpen it, I just doubled the size and added type.
Quote from: mrd10 on December 01, 2006, 06:34:00 PM
Guys guys guys, what is wrong with your eyes, Has anyone gone into there y lab, with there rudimentary setup and tried this?
stop slamming these guys, even if they gave you photos and schematics youd end up asking more questions, and then some.
look what Mr X has done, I figured it out, with the help of another who really should take the credit, because its only by getting your hands dirty that you can work this out.
look at the unit with all the wires hanging out, the color code spills the beans, his wound 3 sets of wires , example notice the 3 green wires, its 3 wires wound together and pokes out 180 degrees from where it started, same with red and the blue, now look at the smaller unit, notice theres blue cable underneath, well this is his white wire thats coming out. which runs around it, under all the other wires.
He gave us clues, your not seeing it, look harder.
Dom
Dom, are you saying that youself and another person, besides Dave and Marco, have a working TPU?
For you guys that never go back and reread anything, I just reposted a pic on page 9 with a very simple mod. We got high wind here knocking the power out so I'm shutting down for the night!
I also think,
we should now stop arguing now and analyze,
what we see over here.
Turbo ( Marco) has wound on the outside a coil
with probably from flatband-computer cable.
It seems it has 4 or 5 wires parrallel.
As he used colored cables, I can see grey, black, black, red and
maybe black again, or it is just the shadow of the flatband coil ?
What do you think ?
The circuit board looks like an oscillator circuit with a 3 phase
3 transsitor or CMOS driver circuit.
I can see, with single step inside the video
(Marco, why is the light flickering in the background ?
Do you still have your MP3 software player on and your TFT display
having a light flickering animation display to it ?)
that he is having about 2 x 2 black wires coming from the
3 transistors and 2 red wires directly from the other side
of the circuit going into the coil structure.
I wonder, if the 2x2 black wires just go to the center wrapped flatband
coil, 2 wires to the right side and 2 wires to the left side ?
If these are 2 coils all in all, these 2 coils are parallel and might be
pulsed with out of phase pulses.
The question then is, how are the read and grey wires be pulsed ?
Is this the 3rd coil around the toroid ?
Where are the 2 black output wires are coming from ?
Do they come from "antenna" standed copper wires
inside the toroid ?
Looks like speaker standed copper wire,
but it is pretty stable the whole toroid.
It does not bend, when he lifts it up,
so it could be all wind onto a wooden or
plastic core...
So Marco, if you read this,
maybe you can tell us, if this is
somehow correct a bit.
It seems from all the postings of the SM thread,
that the toroid itsself is the output coil "antenna"
(as SM said, look like it to be a garden-water-hose, which is squeezed
and water comes out)
and Marco "squeezes" it by running 3 phase oscillations around it.
Regards, Stefan.
P.S.I had not yet time to study the posted SM patent.
It is pretty long.
Looks very simular to his TPU setup.
Maybe we can analyze it together over here.
Many thanks.
So,
now I had another look at Dave?s videos( TPU.rar from
ctglabs.com)
I looked closer at:
tpu13.AVI
It seems he has at least
3 wires of white,
3 wire of red
3 wires of blue
and
3 wires of red
wire wound around his core.
2 of the white wires are output wires.
The rest of the 3 wire coils are intermixed and
interconnected all the time.
I have to study the SM patent first,
maybe there is the clue inside it, how to
connect all the coils, so that
a rotating field will build up
and which will drive a lamp without
any dragg back and Lentz law interference.
Please also post here,
what you do see there too.
Many thanks.
It seems, Dave has 2 different TPUs,
one smaller, probably simular to
Marco?s one powered by a hidden 9 Volts
battery and the larger one, maybe powered by itsself...
Hey Dave,
if you read this,
please let us at least know,
what you are now trying to do with it ?
Many thanks.
Regards, Stefan.
Here is a blow-up of the folded core....
~D
Quote from: hartiberlin on December 01, 2006, 11:16:34 PM
So,
now I had another look at Dave?s videos( TPU.rar from
ctglabs.com)
I looked closer at:
tpu13.AVI
It seems he has at least
3 wires of white,
3 wire of red
3 wires of blue
and
3 wires of red
wire wound around his core.
2 of the white wires are output wires.
The rest of the 3 wire coils are intermixed and
interconnected all the time.
I have to study the SM patent first,
maybe there is the clue inside it, how to
connect all the coils, so that
a rotating field will build up
and which will drive a lamp without
any dragg back and Lentz law interference.
Please also post here,
what you do see there too.
Many thanks.
It seems, Dave has 2 different TPUs,
one smaller, probably simular to
Marco?s one powered by a hidden 9 Volts
battery and the larger one, maybe powered by itsself...
Hey Dave,
if you read this,
please let us at least know,
what you are now trying to do with it ?
Many thanks.
Regards, Stefan.
Yes Stefan this is exactly the video (tpu13) that interested me the most. We can see the exposed wires which seem to match the coil location diagrams in the patent. I wonder if it wired according to the patent as well?
Well Mr X posted this to give us an idea , i.e the patent
because there were alot of people asking how is it wired and such
@mflynn44
Bet your bottom dollar though, now thanks to turbo and Mr X,
I have some idea.
Think of this Tesla mentioned that before current can get to thge end of the wire, if we swtch it of, just before that, it builds a magnetic field, we can grab the scalar or longitudal or RE shockwave.
So if we wind a segmented serial bifilar for instance around a coil, like in Mr X's small unit, which you can clearly see a blue coil underneath the red/black segmented one, and provide a pulse, in a certain duration, that would like be what tesla did, just play with this and measure the results.
This is what Im going to do, its that simple, and if it dont work after sometime doing this and doing that, then ill look elsewhere.
I believe they gave us enough clues, for some electronics know how people here to build it.
Dom
Taken from here:
http://www.gnosticliberationfront.com/radiant_energy.htm
DC Anomalies
Before Tesla?s invention of the Polyphase AC generator became the industry standard and overtook Thomas Edison?s use of DC generators, the DC electrical system was the only system available to deliver electricity to America?s homes and factories. Due to the resistance offered by long transmission lines, Edison had to produce very high DC voltages from his generators in order to deliver enough voltage and current to its final destination. He also had to provide additional ?pumping? stations along the way to boost the sagging voltage which dwindled from line losses. A curious anomaly occurred in the very first instant of throwing the power switch at the generating station: Purple/blue colored spikes radiated in all directions along the axis of the power lines for just a moment. In addition, a stinging, ray-like shocking sensation was felt by those who stood near the transmission lines. In some cases, when very large DC voltages surged from the generators, the ?stinging? sensation was so great that occasionally a blue spike jumped from the line and grounded itself through a workman, killing him in the process.
Tesla realized almost immediately that electrons were not responsible for such a phenomena because The blue spike phenomena ceased as soon as the current stated flowing in the lines. Something else was happening just before the electrons had a chance to move along the wire. At the time, no one seemed to be very interested in discovering why these dramatic elevations in static electrical potential were taking place, but rather, engineering design efforts were focused on eliminating and quenching this strange anomaly which was considered by everyone to be a nuisance-except Tesla. Tesla viewed it as a powerful, yet unknown form of energy which needed to be understood and harnessed if possible. The phenomena only exhibited itself in the first moment of switch closure, before the electrons could begin moving. There seemed to be a ?bunching? or ?choking? effect at play, but only briefly. Once the electrons began their movement within the wire, all would return to normal.
Regards,
~Dan
Thanks Dan
ok this is what im going to do, Refer to Mr X's small version, which is smaller than a hand in size:-
build a pulse cct using 555 timer, adjust the duty cycle and measure what i get out.
The blue cable on smaller unit will be my input coil, I'm going to wind serial bifilar segmented over it.
Or ill wind two bifilars over that blue one, and pulse one of them only.
The blue one will not be connected to anything, just to hold everything in place
Thats the steps im taking
Anyone care to join me?
Discovery
Dom
ok...
Turbo uses a 9 volt batt to drive the coil's osc.
The 9 volt is stepped up in voltage on the circuit board?
The inner coil is the RE coil.
The outside wrap is the collection coil and trigger wire(s).
The three ?-fets or Transistors (what ever they are) are for running the pulses past each other in the RE core?
Come on TURBO...! Why be silent at a time like this....
Regards,
~Dan
Excellent Dansway you followed the directions perfectly. Eye of the storm right now. I am looking for any signs of a second fold and can't find one. The clear wraping tape makes it hard. Makes the wires look discontinued in several places. The control wraps are continuous, no folds. Do me up the best pic of the control you guys can, and I'll try to enhance it with an air-brush. At the very least you guys share the best picture. If I am successful you guys learn more. Well the power will probably be going out again soon, so I had better get this computer back off.
Hey Everyone!
Look at what I stumbled across!
http://www.west.net/~simon/NotesonInterdimensionalPhysics---PartONE--B.html
This site talks about Electron Spin Resonance and mentions a LOT of stuff that we have been talking about.... It's almost creepy how many DIRECT parallels to the TPU can be found here. Please check this out!! You won't regret it!! Also I attached a zip file of the entire site, courtesy of Dan.
God Bless,
Jason O
Check this doc out too. It talks about scalar potentials which may be very useful here :)
Hi all,
Re turbo's coils
What you see here does not work in the same manner as Stevens TPU does, it is different.
Interesting just the same. could there be another source of excitation.
Mervace??
We would need to see him walk outside .
Lindsay Mannix
What I was thinking when I had to shut down was this. As I mentioned I was looking for another fold in the collector core. I came to the project a couple of months late and some of Steven and Linsay's post were already hi-jacked. I had half a rudimentary discription. One part of the discription was sort of like this ( you can do a lot of things with 3 sections, 1 in series 2 in parallel or 2 in series one in parallel). So looking at this latest coil. I was wondering if this was cryptic or to say you fold the wire once you get 2 in parrallel and if you fold it again you get a parallel arraingement of 2 sets of 2 in series that would have three sections? Misleading but if you have the law watching you. Well we know the one fold is there anyway and that's a start. I've heard jabs, 1 we aren't working on it, our group gets ahold of something they get addicted and can't leave it alone. They eat and sleep this thing./ I personally take a TPU with me when I take the dog for a walk. 2 You don't know how to use or have the equipement, We've been around, I'm short one piece because I spiked it out of existence. I'll have you know that I done that with a TPU. So no more jabs. My offer is up to work a pic. anyone working in that area? I have all types of art programs but none for editing videos. SM's were state of the art in 1980 but very low res by today's standards. I didn't think a camera still existed that could shoot that low as the pic posted just recently though.
;D
Well I screw with the pic a bit and it changes like this, Turbo didn't get touchy feely with the spectrum for wiring code, he use red wire. the pic starts to evolve like this. Should I keep going?
Only the originals...
Dear Mr. Z,
Thanks for sharing the pics of your coils...!
Thank you!
Regards,
~Dan
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Mr Z, this is Mr X thank you for steeling these photos and posting without permission. Just goes to show I cannot trust the people on my own forum doesn't it, and you expect me to give more details out? Details will be released when the group feels the time is right and we can explain it all, at the moment its all guesses.
Well, I hope this helps you all, but really the photos showing the insides don't really help at lot at his stage.
Yes there are internal connections not shown, think back to my two coils compass experiment, then use the colour code.
X
like this?
QuoteInteresting developments have occurred with the TPU replication guys however. Dave, from CTGLabs has recreated the spinning field effect mentioned in the comments made my Steven. The field spins up, with a compass in the middle the compass spins faster and faster until it can no longer keep up with the field's rotation. Almost like a Jet engine revving up, eh?
To accomplish this effect Dave simply wired 2 spools of wire in parallel and applied 5v at 1hz. Later he expanded this idea out to four coils, and ran a collector through it, and maintained spin.
QuoteI have built one of these, but without building a flip-flop circuit in 90 degree mode, I simply created a audio track of 1Hz using my PC. I then opened the wav file in goldwave and shifted the left and right audio channels by 250 milli seconds, then saved it and burnt it to CD. 250 milli seconds at 1Hz is obviously a 90 degree phase shift. I then put the CD in my hifi, fed the out put through an AMP and in to the coils of the antenna. Placing a compass in side the coil structure, you will see the compass spin as the magnetic field is spinning.
Quote from: hartiberlin on December 01, 2006, 10:41:21 PMTurbo ( Marco) has wound on the outside a coil with probably from flatband-computer cable.
I wonder if that is Markus (username GM) who was posting some awesome experiments that are an exact match for MCE theory -->
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,476.0.html
Regards,
Paul Lowrance
hi Dave ( X),
many thanks for the clarification.
Maybe if you need help now, you can post your questions
also over here in this forum and maybe a few scopeshots
and we can all help you to work out the unclear things.
Maybe you can offer in the future kits or ready to use units,
so you will also profit from your great experiments and this success now.
Again, very well done Dave ! Congratulations...
And please to the other people here,
I was asked to censor a few posters over here because of their
rude and abbussive language and comments,
but as I said, I don?t want to do this , as I support free speech.
This of course could start flamewars, which I also don?t want.
So I can only suggest to all people to stay calm and just
wait, what the experimenters will present and show us.
Okay, surely we are all very curious, but they have experimented
all the last weeks and now after their success they are also
probably exhausted and must think about the right steps,
how to present it all in a right and safe manner and
this takes time.
I hope, that they will also do it open source, so they
can write a book about their invention or TPU replication ( if it really
is a TPU at all ??) and get
their share of the part of wealth and luck in their life.
For the people, who have something running,
please share it.
This way it would be the safest way for you and later
you can make money from being famous by writing books,
selling videos or selling kits, etc...
There are many opportunities and this will help the world
to get out of its current crazy state of energy addiction...
Many thanks to all, who share and understand and
help this case.
Regards, Stefan.
For anyone who thinks they may become super rich out of selling "TPU", this is my personal experience. I had an electronic device for manufacture. I contacted a Chinese manufacturer. I had a patent and asked how secure was my invention. He said that irrespective of the patent, the device would be reversed engineered and coming out of lots of factories with in 3 months of hitting the market. I guess anyone working on TPU should work for serving the man kind. I guess you would make more money out of publishing your design notes and memoirs than the TPU itself.
That's absolutely correct, the only option is wide spread disclosure to many sources, and not just FE sites either, wherever you can find a place to post the information, that people might take an interest.
Open source the technology, and it cannot be supressed.
Nobody will make money from it, leastwise the inventor.
People without the skill to build them themselves may pay for people to assemble kits for them, but that's the limit of the money making ability of it. At least in my estimation.
Can anyone recommend any LARGE ferrite core suppliers in the UK? I am after 5 inch ones.
Thanks
AM
Quote from: gn0stik on December 02, 2006, 03:51:05 PM
That's absolutely correct, the only option is wide spread disclosure to many sources, and not just FE sites either, wherever you can find a place to post the information, that people might take an interest.
Open source the technology, and it cannot be supressed.
Nobody will make money from it, leastwise the inventor.
People without the skill to build them themselves may pay for people to assemble kits for them, but that's the limit of the money making ability of it. At least in my estimation.
Okay, I agree,
if Dave and Marco will come forward and want it to spread,
I could use my forum?s newsletter option,
which I did not use yet
and send a newsletter out toall 3918 users so far
with the description how it works.
This would help spread the information very widely already.
Regards, Stefan.
Hi AM,
What are you using the ferrite core for?
Farnell in one do a Ferrox cube E core:
http://uk.farnell.com/jsp/endecaSearch/partDetail.jsp?sku=3056430
They also sell the bobbin and spring clips to clamp the whole lot together.
If you are after the Metglas cores then you will need to order from the States.
Elna Magnetics sell the AM-320 C core for about ?60 plus shipping (about ?107).
http://www.elnamagnetics.com/index.php?page=inventory&shouldsearch=y&searchfield=&search=Search&how=begin&where=part&group=HMG&line=POWERLTE
Regards
Rob
This board has grave bandwidith problems, I think. Will
this distribution make it worse or not count as bandwidth? If
the latter, it will help a lot.
Paul.
Okay,
now back to the technical side of things.
When looking at the "stolen" pictures from
Dave
( okay it was not authorized by Dave,
but okay, now as they are here we can at least
have a look at it, is it okay with you, Dave ?)
it is getting clear,
that his TPU is just all in all 22 coils only !
Nothing more !
No batteries , just 22 coils to connect the right way..
I look at the picture:
tpuv3b.jpg
I can see, that there are 3 white about 10 to 20 windings white
wires cores.
You can see each core?s 2 white wire ends coming out of each core.
So he seems to have used just multistranded isolated copper wire
all the same wire sizes for his TPU.
These 3 white cores seems to be the output coils.
Now the question is, are the 3 cores in series
or are they somehow Bifilar connected, so something
cancels out ?
At least you can see, that they are not all in parallel, otherwise
all 6 white wires would be connected in a 2 x 3 connection,
which it is not !
Okay, now on each of the 3 white cores,
there are 6 coils wound around.
You can see it quite clearly if you look closer.
It seems these coils only have one layer,
so they only have about 20 windings each.
So and around all the 3 cores is finally
a one layer black wire coil.
This all together makes 22 coils.
Now in the video tpu13.AVI
you can see how they are wired and also
from the other pics posted here by Mr. Z.
each end of the 6 colored coils around the white core
are interconnected directly inside the tpu,
how exactly, this will Dave probably tell us soon.
A hint would be to look at the colors.
Each color is 2 times available on the white core.
Maybe the color pairs are just in series there
or are parallel, so that the flux from each repells
and the flux goes out into the core center.
This would also make sure that always the flux is
inducing something into the black outer coil,
when the repelled flux from each color pair
is rotating in the center.
Okay,
Then look at tpuv3d.jpg or in the video tpu13.AVI
and see how each stack of colored coils are interconnected.
It seems each core?s driver colored coils are parallel connected
outside at each start ofthe driver coil wire and at the end of each
driver coil wire they are connected INTERNALLY to the next coil,
so only each 2nd wire end will stick out.
Finally the 3 Blue ends are connected to 1 black wire
and each other blue wire is connected to the NEXT COLOR !
That means the driver pulses travel from one core to the next up and
down also, so that is also has a phase shift VERTICALLY !
So this whole thing works like a 3dimensional vortex.
The last black wire coil end is connected to a blue and red coil cable end.
The question still is, how the 3 white core coils are interconnected
with each other. If they are in a bifilar way connected, just 2 coils could
kill each others flux and the 3rd must be in parallel then, but it seems all
3 white core coils are just in series, as no connection has more than 2 cables connected...
Well, so it seems this TPU is pretty cheaply to build.
Just a genuine right connection of isolated copper wire, nothing else.
The resonance frequency of the coils is set by its stray capacitance C
and its inductivity L, so for this setup I could imagine a frequency
of around 5 kHz would be quite right...
Well, indeed a very well engineered success !
Congratulations Dave !
You are a real "coil" master !
Regards, Stefan.
Stefan and All,
Lets give these guys a chance, they have been working very hard, lets give credit where its due, patience my friends, patience, it will come.
Dom ;)
So how does the use of magnets come into all this? Or was that a bit of misdirection on the part of SM to protect his intellectual property when showing to investors?
Quote from: archon79 on December 02, 2006, 06:00:21 PM
So how does the use of magnets come into all this? Or was that a bit of misdirection on the part of SM to protect his intellectual property when showing to investors?
There are at least 3 different models of SM?s TPUs.
Maybe the earlier models needed a quick induction from one magnet
and maybe the open TPU needed the magnet too,
as there were not 3 cores stacked, but just one core.
As SM does not come forward with more information,
it is all speculation so far.
Regards, Stefan.
Can I just point something out. So far I have never made any claims about what is seen in the videos and photos. You all seem to be assuming things. All I show is a bulb which is alight, so what? Does this mean its free energy or over unity? No it does not and I have never claimed it is, in fact I didn't even get the chance to say anything before the likes of Dean McGowan decided to chew me out. Where is your research I ask? Have you even made one post of your test setup and research or are you just waiting for someone else to post the answer for you? If what I have shown is real or not, does it matter, what have you done? And you wonder why myself and others left this forum?
May I suggest, you stop focusing on my unit, it's not complete, and it's not OU..... YET! It's a work in progress, and I will release fully once it's done, just be PATIENT!!!! However now I don't know if I can show my work in my own forums anymore. I wanted a private place to work with respectable, and respectful people. Seems I have misjudged some of them. If you guys want to focus on something focus on what marco is doing, his is much more complete than mine.
Since we do not know what is inside the real TPU, what Marco has shown could be a completely different effect, who knows? If we make a TPU how do we even know if we have replicated it. Just because something is round and covered in black tape does not mean its an SM TPU.
Like I said, I make no claims thus far, but on the other hand, OU or not, can anyone tell me how to duplicate or fake what is in the video? I always start by trying to think if I can fake something, then only when I cannot can I start to believe it.
I will say this, if people insist on working with closed loops and magnetic induction, you will never get anywhere. The laws of conservation always apply to closed systems. Energy cannot be created only converted. How do you expect to get energy in to the system from outside if the thing is closed looped? It cannot and never will work. Think "open path" ala Kron.
X
Hi Kingrs,
Thank. I intend carrying out various experiments. The cores I will be using must be toroidal. I am still hoping to find a supplier in UK. I find that these cores have many different characteristics so suck it and see can prove expensive. As per some suggestions, I could buy an off the shelf transformer and rip the windings and end up with a core but then, I will not have any specification about that core. To have a consistent, reproduceable design, one must perhaps pay through the nose and buy a Metglas core. For fellow researchers in Germany http://www.magnetec.de/ also supplies Metglas.
AM
Can we just say again, the TPU does not have an iron core, much less a metaglass core. It has nothing but wire inside and air. Do you think the TPU can be cut through using a jigsaw in seconds if it has a metal core? Why does this forum keep going round in circles? It is not based on the MEG and has nothing to do with a MEG. Furthermore, we have the full plans to the MEG yet has anyone built a working one? I mean one that can show excess energy and run itself?
X
Quote from: X on December 02, 2006, 06:12:00 PM
Like I said, I make no claims thus far, but on the other hand, OU or not, can anyone tell me how to duplicate or fake what is in the video? I always start by trying to think if I can fake something, then only when I cannot can I start to believe it.
I would assume it as easy if not easier to hook up a multimeter rather then a bulb. Your meter was probably right there on the table where as you had to pull a bulb you said was in a outlet for a year. I don't want to "rock the boat", but I did want to address your question the best I could.
Even if you're a little disappointed about the photo leak, I hope you are OK with it. So far its been some of the most relivent data delivered. Sorry if this reply is not what your had hoped to get.
Thanks for starting the disclosure process,
~Dingus
Dingus,
If you are a free energy researcher or even an engineer, or just in to electronics you will know that powering a real load is much more proof than using a multi meter.
For starters I could get about 10 9v batterys in series and show 90 or so volts on a meter, but that does not prove any current since the meter has very high input impedance.
You will also know that high frequencys signals will confuse a digital meter and you can make is show whatever you want.
Surely a meter reading is even more less reason to believe since it prooves nothing. Voltage is nothing without current.
And you are confusing the bulb from the kitchen with marcos post.
X
I dont need to prove anything, I seek nothing from you and I didnt have to show you anything. Rather than ask for more things like meter readings at this stage, why dont you tell me how it could be fake given what you see, like me standing in the middle of the room and twirling round to show nothing hidden with sleeves rolled up? Given the bulb is alight, logic tells you the voltage must be sufficiently high doesnt it?
Also I am not stating here on purpose if its real or fake. I want to get some minds working and get you all out of the slum you seem to be in. If you think its fake, please duplicate this fakeness. If you think its real, then be patient please.
All that seems to be on here is bickering. If you not going to build and test anything, can I suggest doing something else with your time? If you don't have any training and you are not building anything or testing, but just posting, why are you even in to FE or even on this forum?
X
I don't believe it is a fake...
:-\
I'm just curious as to the hard numbers like max output wattage and how long the unit can sustain a load.
added: Also... You don't owe us, you're right... But you're here and I'm curious so I ask questions.
Hi Dave,
just don?t get upset from the questions some users post here.
From my long Internet experience I know, that it is best only to
comment to the postings, that are worth to reply to and ignore
the other.
This will save much of your own time and it will
save any flamewars.
Don?t let yourself steel the time from posters,
who are not into the research you are doing.
Just skip the naysayers.
I am unfortunately very busy with other projects,
otherwise I would have also tried the TPU myself,
but surely we all here are very curious what you and
Marco have done now and indeed we are all here some
Geeks who couldn?t stand to wait any longer to see,
what is possible now... so bare with us...
we are just as exited as you are yourself and am glad
that you speak now again over here.
Can?t you understand this ?
Hope that you will soon post more info.
We are just too curious.
Many thanks.
Regards, Stefan.
OK... I didn't post anything for a few days its sounds to me like thats the behavior I should stick with. Sorry for caring.
;D Ummmmm I mean thanks...
A christmas treat... Im saying nothing further!
:o
Just something interesting for you all. Now please do some work for yourselves, you are not helpless!
http://www.padrak.com/ine/WALTON696.html
"Each energy level has three unique frequencies, also due to the constructive and destructive interaction of the three frequencies produces a specific composite energy level." The levels may be designated 1 through 4, with 1 being the highest. For our purposes the frequencies are not important (they vary from 1021 to 1024). What s important is the relationship these frequencies have to each other within their respective energy levels.
By interfering the frequency relationship of the highest energy level such that the particular frequencies we choose generate earth resonances as one of its heterodynes, we can create a most powerful field that actively interferes with the earth's magnetic envelope.
The frequency ratios of that level are 1;4; and 5, or in musical terms: do, fa, so. By selecting as representative frequencies 48Hz; 64Hz; and 72Hz - but moving the three down just a hairsbreadth so that the heterodyne of the two highest frequencies becomes 7.83 Hz, we achieve just that.
Since the quality of the actual energy level is that of Scalar Standing Waves, longitudinal in nature, using sound waves can simulate or mirror their interaction if the medium through which we convey them is ionic.
I set up a waveguide with three arms converging to a center, each on a 120 degrees leg. Each leg was cut from square cross-section PVC gutter pipe and measured to correspond to an exact fraction of the wavelength for one of the frequencies, that is 12, 9 and 8 inches or multiples thereof. Transducers capable of producing 120dB in the medium selected must be used and these are placed at the ends of the cavities. Measurement is done from the face of the transducer to the point of intersection."
Generating the required frequencies is relatively straightforward and we should start with a master oscillator with fine incremental tuning operating at 576Hz, this is coupled to three buffer amplifiers whose outputs are taken to: 1. A divide by 8 which = 72Hz 2. A divide by 9 which = 64Hz 3. A divide by 12 which = 48Hz.
All three are then taken via a square to sin convertor and to the transducers vial power amplifiers. Not being partial to noise, not least 3 x 120dB, I am considering the possibility of alternatives to the above. Do beware of "Pop" music groups standing in a circle, do not stand at the focal point or you might just become closer to heaven than you would wish.
**No claims are made by myself and the above is passed on purely as a gift. On the basis of my own investigation I would suggest there is a better than average chance of success.
Yours sincerely, Donald P. Walton
a lot of electro dudes know that a high frequency high voltage discharge is not measurable with a digital multimeter.
the meter just goes crazy and shows something like HV 8888.88.
also the average camera locks when using such fields, in fact all usb equipment fails at this stage.
so, should they buy expensive equipment only to prove to you its real what they are showing you?
i think not.
maybe you would be better off trying it yourself because then you would realize very quikcly how difficult it is to measure such energy flow.
T.
YES...! YES...!
DAVE....you are AWESOME...! Thank you DAVE!!
Nice...
My brains is loving this....!
Thanks DAVE!
~Dan
X,
Along with your last post, you may be interested in this.
http://electricterra.com/E-Book%20Web/Page%206.htm
Regards
AM
Hi Dave,
Thanks for the info, it looks quite involved with the 3 merging frequencies.
From your video demo I thought that you were powering the bulb with no input power at all, so you do require the 3 inputs to power the output (collector)?
Just to prove that I have not been idle I decided to build a motor to try and prove the Mehess motor.
Operates on 0.028v at 0.34mA with 50% duty cycle, so around 5uW.
Has to be driven mechanically as electronics is too power hungry and requires a higher voltage.
Just need to see if the output can exceed the input.
It is made from ceramic 8 magnets on a CD cake box and has a polished steel and saphire bearing, same as in your mains electric meter.
(https://overunityarchives.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi100.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fm25%2Fkingrs%2FDSCN4775.jpg&hash=b88cdd7e0f62a87d8c42644f42f91d0f91e14076)
(https://overunityarchives.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi100.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fm25%2Fkingrs%2FDSCN4776.jpg&hash=02d1cd67ef111d5b55c1087ad86891ac52fffe79)
Regards
Rob
Mr. X
Thank-you for taking the time to write up the PDF for us. I am sure you have a lot of other things on the go right now.
Thanx again
Tim
hey rich and mr mazda,
what do you think we would pay for the publishing rights to something like this? if it was proven?
lol
sam
ps: PLENTY! JUST FOR THE PUBLISHING RIGHTS!!!
Hi Mr.X,
a really good work !
Do you know all this effects :
"Los principales... ...magneticas."
www.ia.csic.es/sea/publicaciones/4350jh029.pdf !?!
In spanish,but if you want to understand you will !
It is about thermo- accoustic or -voltaic !
S
de Lanca
p.s.: Wiedemann (-Franz Law) !!!
Hi All,
A 9 volt battery delivers 800 ma and using a power oscillator it can light a 60 watt light bulb for 6 minutes.
How many minutes, hours, days, or weeks has the lamp remained lit with this TPU replication? I presented this thread to an electronics expert very much interested in overunity and that was his only question. Tom
Quote from: X on December 02, 2006, 07:16:22 PM
:o
Just something interesting for you all. Now please do some work for yourselves, you are not helpless!
http://www.padrak.com/ine/WALTON696.html
"Each energy level has three unique frequencies, also due to the constructive and destructive interaction of the three frequencies produces a specific composite energy level." The levels may be designated 1 through 4, with 1 being the highest. For our purposes the frequencies are not important (they vary from 1021 to 1024). What s important is the relationship these frequencies have to each other within their respective energy levels.
By interfering the frequency relationship of the highest energy level such that the particular frequencies we choose generate earth resonances as one of its heterodynes, we can create a most powerful field that actively interferes with the earth's magnetic envelope.
The frequency ratios of that level are 1;4; and 5, or in musical terms: do, fa, so. By selecting as representative frequencies 48Hz; 64Hz; and 72Hz - but moving the three down just a hairsbreadth so that the heterodyne of the two highest frequencies becomes 7.83 Hz, we achieve just that.
Since the quality of the actual energy level is that of Scalar Standing Waves, longitudinal in nature, using sound waves can simulate or mirror their interaction if the medium through which we convey them is ionic.
I set up a waveguide with three arms converging to a center, each on a 120 degrees leg. Each leg was cut from square cross-section PVC gutter pipe and measured to correspond to an exact fraction of the wavelength for one of the frequencies, that is 12, 9 and 8 inches or multiples thereof. Transducers capable of producing 120dB in the medium selected must be used and these are placed at the ends of the cavities. Measurement is done from the face of the transducer to the point of intersection."
Generating the required frequencies is relatively straightforward and we should start with a master oscillator with fine incremental tuning operating at 576Hz, this is coupled to three buffer amplifiers whose outputs are taken to: 1. A divide by 8 which = 72Hz 2. A divide by 9 which = 64Hz 3. A divide by 12 which = 48Hz.
All three are then taken via a square to sin convertor and to the transducers vial power amplifiers. Not being partial to noise, not least 3 x 120dB, I am considering the possibility of alternatives to the above. Do beware of "Pop" music groups standing in a circle, do not stand at the focal point or you might just become closer to heaven than you would wish.
**No claims are made by myself and the above is passed on purely as a gift. On the basis of my own investigation I would suggest there is a better than average chance of success.
Yours sincerely, Donald P. Walton
Quote from: magnetman12003 on December 02, 2006, 09:27:26 PM
Hi All,
A 9 volt battery delivers 800 ma and using a power oscillator it can light a 60 watt light bulb for 6 minutes.
How many minutes, hours, days, or weeks has the lamp remained lit with this TPU replication? I presented this thread to an electronics expert very much interested in overunity and that was his only question. Tom
I have a question. If a 9 volt battery delivers .8A, this is equal to 7.2 watts. How will it be able to light a 60 watt bulb with 7.2 watts? Wouldn't the battery have to put out somewhere around 6.6A to power the 60 watt bulb at 120v? (being 100% efficient) The current needed to light a 60 watt bulb is somewhere near .5A @ 120v.
Thank you Mr X for posting! It is much appreciated by me and others I'm sure.
Please don't post anymore so we can enjoy X-mass ;D
I don't want to have to check the forums everyday just in case something happens.
I enjoyed the poem on the padrak site, that you wrote. The rimes are very cleaver and flow quite nicely. I think you have some talent.
Basic jist I get from the article is the mixing of frequencies, which produce OTHER FREQUENCIEs. This is used in radios, a well known aspect, but what's interesting is the fact that by this method we can get a frequency that is hard to obtain, like the low Schumann earth resonances. Then apparently, interesting things might happen if we resonante at these low earth resonant frequencies. Now I'm beginning to think the US Atomic Energy agent that warned SM, might have a legitimate concern.
What if we blow up the earth with too much resonance? or we all levitate out into space and come back down icecubes?
I'm half joking a bit, but I'm also serious. Messing with the earth is not a joke, we might be exchanging one problem (car fumes CO2, etc) with perhaps another not yet understood problem. I've always frowned on the inventions to extract energy from the earth with a mechanical gyroscope which SLOWS DOWN THE EARTHs rotation ever so slowly or shifts it. What if we all did it and there were millions of units in operations? Do you see what I'm saying. Technology needs to be understood first before we let it out of the bag to the general population. I'm not saying what Mr X has revealed is dangerous to the earth, don't missunderstand, I'm just pointing out food for thought.
@everyone, please let's not quote the entire posting of members, this makes for one huge tread, just quote what is relevant and comment. Might make the database faster and we will all benefit.
@EMdevices,
Leviatation / anti-gravity
Don't we need a torrid style Caduceus coil for that? (per Stan Deyo's doc)
:D
Carl
@starcruiser
I'm still digesting that Stan Deyo document.
@Emdevices,
You might want to try and find the video he had on Google. It was a presentation he did on this doc and other topics relating. It was very interesting I thought. I didn't grab the video off Google (I should of), which dove tails in to that pdf your reviewing and may help.
Regards,
Carl
I've been trying not to post too much pics and leave server space for when we need it, I have some on the main thread, and a couple of scope shots also. I got to say 1 thing, everything does need to be geometrically correct. Everything has to be symetrical, all the cores have to have the same number of wraps, all the collectors ditto, I've even gone to the point of z-metering the capacitance between collector cores after the final global wrap. I have a bit of trouble getting the outer dimentions of the collectors right. I have rewrapped collectors time and again till they come out right. I've confused everyone with hidden conections on the ID instead of the OD. Very eye candy type of finish and wires can be much shorter, but more confusing to who ever looks at it. I recommend collectors be within 1/32 or 1mm. I'll shoot in 1 and only 1 pic of my bench today. Just so X knows we aren't the free lunch line. I got little so far and have been sharing what I find. Someones got a patent somewhere, there's no selling this, and personal safety is don't hang onto anything. Get it to the people, and get some personal enjoyment and use out of it too.
for your enjoyment the question of the century
Is that a 2 giggle hurts compuker?
thought you might like that, not going to reveal the name of the girl that typed the original quire.
I'll get the other puter up and unload the camera.
Guys you color code the collectors so you don't get lost when you are changing your wiring config. I tried all black wire once, it was a nightmare. It doesn't show but the center collector among the loose ones is green and black.
I want to tell you something important that may help you to understand what is going on inside the collector.
You know what a particle accelerator is... Well you can accelerate electrons to past the speed of light and you know what happens? They disappear. Does that mean that there is no speed of light ? NO, it means that the electrons go out of this dimensional plane. Scientists are not prepared to explain anything beyond this point. Neither am I. However it has been hypothesized that IF the electrons did not leave our dimensional realm, and stayed here, they would rip the fabric of time and space, possibly destroying our universe as we know it. That means that the power released would be unbelievable and totally inconceivable to mankind. But never the less, it is fact.
My friend, listen. Think about, no, visualize the following:
Imagine that you have a cannon which fires a projectile at a velocity of 1000 miles an hour.
The amount of energy held in the moving projectile until converted is lets say a figure of ten.
It will never become more then our figure of ten. The energy will slowly dissipate until the projectile slows and begins to fall to the ground and it's finale dissipation will occur when it strikes the earth or the object it was aimed at. Now, we have been told that there will never be more energy available from the projectile other then what was given to it when first fired into the sky, EXCEPT for the following example:
Now, there can be a further dissipation of energy if the projectile was carrying a charge of dynamite to explode on impact as well.
Do you see how the different things all relate here?
Let me expand your mind for a moment....
Suppose that the projectile which you fired was another cannon? Now you have another cannon traveling at 1000 miles an hour... Now, if you could fire the second cannon, the projectile coming from it would be traveling at a velocity of 1000 miles an hour after being fired. However, since the cannon is already traveling at a speed of 1000 miles an hour when you fire it, the speed of the second fired projectile is essentially now 2000 miles per hour and the energy available to convert from the second projectile, is now twice the ten available from the first projectile! You now have energy availability of twenty to convert from the second projectile.
Now, what if the projectile fired from the second cannon were another cannon and you fired it. Since the second cannon is traveling at 2000 miles per hour then the projectile you fire from it would make 3000 miles per hour, and so on and so on....
The energy released from the speed of multiple projectiles increases the energy available to be dissipated upon impact many fold!
The faster the speed of ANYTHING the more energy will be available for conversion.
A long time ago, i said, if you take a bullet and throw it at the side of an automobile;e it will bounce off. However, if you place the bullet into a gun and fire it at the automobile it, with sufficient velocity, go through the metal door and through the other side because of the inertia energy available for conversion.
Speed is energy if you can convert the mass into energy quickly enough!
Anything no matter how small can store enough energy to convert into huge amounts of energy.
Even electrons.....................................
Now, electrons can travel only so fast along the surface of the wire because of magnetic flux. what if you disable the effects of the flux?
Now the electrons float freely without anything holding them back. electrons at the sped of light are now a possibility! How much energy can be converted from a stream of electrons traveling close to the speed of light? Remember the bullet story.
Think of this:
Energy conversion is different when you consider speed. 12 volts at 100 amps is slow and the energy can not dissipate quickly enough to kill you by discharge. But, it is a lot of energy especially if converted to speed. Reduce that 100 amps to 100 mA but increase the voltage (speed) to 100,000 volts and you can electrocute someone!
My unit operates on these principles. Think about all those frequencies traveling inside the collector coil and how they interact.....
Thanks dave for this although i do not understand this stuff... as you can see,back on this forum that people are desperate, you should do more efficient secure ways of being undetected, such as,
1. Microsoft windows has MANY ways to spy On you,since windows is designed like that,
so ...
2, use computers that have not been online with your ip address,i am thinking of laptops,buy them used, equip them with wireless network card,(DON'T USE IT IF YOU HAVE PUT YOUR PERSONAL DETAILS IN IT , I MEAN THAT ,JUST PUT RANDOM BLAH INTO THE COMPUTER WHEN YOU SET UP OS OR WHATEVER OR FAKE DETAILS.)
3. Make sure its a complete FRESH install of windows,then do your recording on that and whatever documentation you wish to upload anonymously useing a NOTHER PERSONS WIRELESS NETWORK AND BANDWIDTH, USEing THE LAPTOP(i suggest HIGH QUALITY PICTURES THAN VIDEOS,to save time uploading,and MAKE SURE YOU CREATE USERNAMES WITH THAT PERSONS WIRELESS NETWORK,to make it harder to track you), (OFFLINE,DO NOT GO ONLINE WITH YOUR IP HOME ADDRESS, BECAUSE OF MAC CODES)
4. After you finish upload - if you KNOW WHERE A WIRELESS NETWORK UN PROTECTED IS,and i would pick a wireless network thats quite far away from your home, i would put it as 10 miles Minimum or less if your comfortable with that, you could use those wireless networks at places like BARS,cafes,food places(and make sure its a UN EXPECTED RANT,And make sure you put in that you used a persons wireless network,and that would be as far i would go ), (MAKE SURE ITS CLOUDY - cloudy GOT THAT AND ITS DARK (if you plan on useing a persons wireless network, i would go with this one really,because even if you had not said ANYTHING,the guys still know what sites you have been by design with windows), IM TALKING ABOUT EARLY MORNING HOURS,and make sure there are no cameras,
So basicly, the first time you USE A laptop, you do this offline , put pictures on the hard drive to Upload , and also the documentation to upload to whatever sites, you can find and spam, while the battery lasts,and tell them to save it to their hard drives, and them tell others etc,etc , and THE OUTLET TO THE WORLD WIDE WEB WILL BE THROUGH WIRELESS, NOT YOUR HOME CONNECTION, NOO THATS A NONO NOT YOUR HOME CONNECTION, use somebody elses :-),and make sure you PUT IN , That you used a nother persons wireless connection, (i must add, that useing a wireless connection is illegal and can be fined some, if caught, but , if its something this important, then i would do it, if i had stuff which can help you or give you step by step to build a over unity machine)
sorry guys, its that hardcore.
And never go ONLINE WITH THAT LAPTOP WITH YOUR HOME ADDRESS,EVEN IF YOU CREATED A FRESH INSTALL OF WINDOWS,if you went online with it, then DON'T USE IT, and make sure where you buy a used laptop , make sure its kinda away from your home.
Thats a suggestion, but since mr x and Z, no DON'T Bother...............................for others who have keep Super quite and irritated, then this is a Way.
And since its likely, you would have used the world wide web to research overunity...... , it would be best to upload from wireless, Miles away from your HOME!.
Sorry for makeing this not to clear , but, ive digested other stuff than overunity....
so after all that,
its, Laptop with wireless, never be online with your Home connection(What i am talking about here is , when you buy a new laptop used or new,you do not go online with it,mmm and make sure if you can dodge buying it from a shop, mm buy it of a unknown person, ) , or others,
then its, upload the stuff you want to share(with wireless), mm USE High quality pictures(and if its a real machine make sure your generous with the PICTURES,), videos take time to upload,to whatever you want to send it.
and then never Go online with the laptop, mm even, make sure the laptop never be found,(MAC CODE)
also make sure your covered with your ID'S/Usernames/emails whatever way they can track, i would create usernames,emails (useing the wireless ,then usernames made with home connection or friends connection)
Rather than, HEY INVESTORS, I CLAIM A FREE ENERGY MACHINE, NOW RAPE ME!!!!!!!!!! *Suppressed , and threatened quite likely*
(even the camera..... i would not use it both,uploading to the home computer and laptop.....not even with a barge poll)
however if you have been researching the device(and are successful in replicateing mostly on your home computer with home internet), and then send out in high detail on how it works and how you can build one, they have a nother way, or narrowing down the search, to see which computer has been on these sites on such a machine to see if it matches IN A Mile radius,so if you research this stuff being very quite on the forum,then go to scotland for a holiday :-) basicly far away from Home but then theres cameras ;-), you could take a bus with no camera,and pay by cash????
but in the states with the war on humanity, i think that would be hard.
or just desperately SEND OUT THE INFO SPAMMING, from home computer and i think, you should at least expect attention to big oil and big brother, mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm i wonder why ol steven marks has not said Anything, he said '' hey investors come and rape me'' doh, thats a lesson learned now,the GOVERMENT ARE HYPOCRITES!
And then it ends up as OVERUNITY electric being EVOLUTION, mmm
I haven't read the last couple pages, but I just found this post by marco in the hendershot related area of gn0sis.
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im using the tesla magnifying approach.
now if i show my device, and say it taps the electromagnetic field of the earth, i would not be lying.
i just dont say i put in the energy in somewhere else.
now if i say it can be used to power water pumps in afrika, i would not be lying , since the scalar waves go anywhere.
if i truly suceed in making a device running on waves already present, that would be very intresting because we dont need to feed it anymore.
marco
So, it seems that marco and dave are using the MT, as SM conceded was the REAL operation of the device in his response to tao's "eureka" post. I guess you could call it. Why did it take so long to go in that direction..
Now this makes sense considering what dave posted. The frequency tests. They have acheived wireless radiant power transmission, now to tune the receivers to a natural power source.
getting the frequencies just right will be the trick, and making the receiver an "energy sucking" receiver, as Bill Beatty would put it.
Remember all that stuff guys? I know the old timers will.
So this also explains the pulsing effect in the video. Anyone else notice this? That was the MT feeding the MR that Marco was lighting the bulb with.
Suggested reading Konstantin Meyl's book.. Sorry forget the name.
I can post it later if I can dig it up. I know I have it somewhere. Also, Bearden's book, and if you have the "free energy secrets of cold electricity" by Lindemann, that would also be good.
At any rate, it's getting exciting. The pariah of science is being redeemed.
@Sam, I don't think anyone is planning on selling anything, maybe kits at some point would be logical, but I don't know of any plans to get rich off it.
Regards all,
Rich.
OK, so it turns out that Meyl's book is copyrighted and for sale on his website, so I cannot post it for everyone.. I can't remember where I got that, but I don't think I paid for it. It's called scalar waves, and goes for around 30 eu. There is also the experiment book which outlines build plans etc for his device.
Interesting enough the stuff that marco posted as turbo, is closely related to the topic of this book, and he did it shortly after I sent the book to him (I hadn't been to Meyl's site yet)
There are build instructions for a mini MT in the book and the experiments book.
So the lesson in all this is... becareful about passing around stuff you found on the internet, it may be coprighted. Oops. I guess it turned out well.
Perhaps I should just send Meyl my 28 bucks.
Be aware that the book's original language is german, and the translation is rough at times.
http://www.etzs.de/onlineshop/index.php?language=en
Thank you X for giving us such a kind of gift!
It seems to me that now we have got something real to work with... so stop wandering around with the many other possibilites.
In fact SM told us from the beginning to use 3 frequencies and...their etherodine by products.
What perhaps is still not clear is how you could self start the device as, of course, you have to power all the associated electronics which drains current. I assume that at this stage you are still using small batteries to power the 3 ocillators.
So I'm starting again to implement new TPU as in your PDF. Hope to be soon able to duplicate it & try to help in any way.
Thank you again and I hope to read from you again in this Forum.
Regards to all
ronotte
:)
http://btjunkie.org/search?q=meyl (http://btjunkie.org/search?q=meyl)
http://btjunkie.org/search?q=bearden (http://btjunkie.org/search?q=bearden)
http://btjunkie.org/search?q=tesla (http://btjunkie.org/search?q=tesla)
http://btjunkie.org/search?q=free+energy (http://btjunkie.org/search?q=free+energy)
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6044955461813547423 (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6044955461813547423)
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6981802079964004838&q=bearden (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6981802079964004838&q=bearden)
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=261752428036213004&q=bearden (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=261752428036213004&q=bearden)
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8094994359049789279&q=bearden (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8094994359049789279&q=bearden)
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-693476468191285990&q=bearden (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-693476468191285990&q=bearden)
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8943205214784769158&q=zero+point (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8943205214784769158&q=zero+point)
T.
Lindsay I think I know were the cannons fire, right between the control wire wraps at the center line of the collector core. 25 wraps 24 cannons. I'm still fighting with the wiring I think, I had a good looking wave form once but I wasn't getting the power out of it. Thanks for the words of encouragement. I'll rethink everything you said a hell of a lot in 2 paragraphs.
Rich
I think I need to learn more about canceling flux does anyone got an article. I'm going to pop onto the net and see what I can find. That's got to be my weakest area.
Found something that works on the cracked hide from handling to much dry insulation. The hospital has pink hand cream in a blue bottle, have any of you found something for the little whip marks on the back of the hands?
At a certain point the rings add in to a positive only going signal. So, see how you can get DC from a coil with no diodes.
Quote from: lltfdaniel1 on December 03, 2006, 02:27:15 AM
you should do more efficient secure ways of being undetected, such as...
1. Microsoft windows has MANY ways to spy On you,since windows is designed like that............
XP and now Vista could be the reason to go over to Linux.
Paul
Hi Dave,
many thanks for all your new infos.
Isn?t E, A, H the first three tones of Smoke on the water from Deep Purple ?
If you play the 3 notes together on a keyboard with a distortion sound there is indeed some good intermodulation and beat every two seconds or so...
:D
Stefan, the notes I believe are E, G, A. As far as my musical training goes, the note "H" is a new one for me.
You'll get all sorts of IM with any two or more frequencies pushed through a non-linear amplifier.
The beat you are hearing might be AM.
ZPE, I am not at home right now, so I can?t try it with my keyboard...
H is in english language B# I guess...
The question is, is it a beat between the three frequencies or a real AM modulation due to nonlinearities...?
I noticed something with Donald P. Walton's cores that perhaps everyone already knows. If you all know it then sorry for wasting time since I lack time to study this priceless thread. Anyhow, has anyone noticed the core appears to be a wire, not magnetic? I am looking a picture, perhaps it's not Donald P. Walton's stuff, but I can clearly see plastic coated wire inside.
I now know for fact that magnetic materials offer "free energy" due to ambient temperature (vibrating atoms, etc), but that's another story. Let's presume the core has no magnetic material. Can we extract energy from space? I think so. For years I have questioned QM (Quantum Mechanics) physicists about a simple experiment that demonstrates energy being borrowed from the electrons intrinsic spin. Just a few weeks ago Captain Quantum (Dr. Fred Alan Wolf) said that QM has no answer for my experiment. Various other QM physicists have said the same thing.
Therefore, IMHO space is filled with a sea of energy. Call it ZPE, quantum foam, Aether, or whatever. It seems likely such energy exists.
What does this mean? I think it's possible to extract energy from Intrinsic Electron Spin, and perhaps Donald P. Walton has achieved this. It's also possible that the very center of his toroid is iron wire.
Last, but not least, and no offense to Donald P. Walton, but we all have to consider this is all a sidetrack. I'm not saying it is. What I am saying is while spending time on Donald P. Walton's machine, ***PLEASE*** do not forget what you were previously working on.
Regards,
Paul Lowrance
if we need to store magnetic energy ,the iron core i believe would fit best because it can hold the configuration for a short period.
if we use a core like copper , at the moment we switch off the energy supply all is lost.
so to jump from one puls onto the second and onto the third with gain, we need to store the energy in a sort of "magnetic battery" otherwise the pulses will not add to each other.
However if we would use an energized copper wire , this could also work.
T.
Paul Lowrance wrote: -
"Last, but not least, and no offense to Donald P. Walton, but we all have to consider this is all a sidetrack. I'm not saying it is. What I am saying is while spending time on Donald P. Walton's machine, ***PLEASE*** do not forget what you were previously working on."
IMO this is very good advice Paul. I find it very difficult indeed to take seriously a TPU consisting of just coils of wire with no PSU. Time will tell though because with the info so far provided it should be possible for someone to eventually replicate the passive TPU and provide a construction guide, assuming of course it's genuine. I'm into other areas of research and experimentation and don't feel inclined to change course onto this particular serving at this point in time.
Lets not forget the magnetic field generated from just electrical current does not instantly vanish when the current stops. The field traverses through space. :-)
BTW, attached is an image showing what's underneath the wire wrapping. See the green arrow.
Now, is that X's photo? Sorry if it's not as I can't read all this SM stuff right now, lol. Also, please note I am not suggesting X's machine is not legit. In fact, it seems very nice and hopeful, as I believe it is possible to extract energy from the sea of energy we call space.
Paul Lowrance
Quote from: PaulLowrance on December 03, 2006, 01:38:35 PM
Lets not forget the magnetic field generated from just copper current does not instantly vanish when the current stops. The field traverses through space. :-)
Paul Lowrance
ok then we can definatly asume it has mass and will keep its energy. :)
then it would be just a matter of adding energy so it speeds up untill near or over "C" and start collecting.
T.
Quote from: PaulLowrance on December 03, 2006, 01:38:35 PM
as I believe it is possible to extract energy from the sea of energy we call space.
Paul Lowrance
offcource we can :) but not with the present model, since its a sub set of what can be done.
we need to go into the real stuff like higher symmertry electrodynamics so we can split the bidirectional wave pairs.
T.
I find the present standard model to be perfectly designed to restrict physicists from achieving advanced technology, perhaps by design. Surely QM will collapse by the next decade. IMHO M-theory is beautiful, but it's not correct.
Paul Lowrance
yes, evreything is designd to keep us from develloping FE devices....
but however there are already quite a few side ways with a more complete character.
T.
Hi X (Dave)
Can you explain, where is the board and any battery in this small device ? Are these in TPU or in light bulb ? :o ;D
People,
I'm not suggesting anything, but if the latest buzz turns out to be a trick, then lets not get burnt. Keep an open mind, but don't get too emotionally invested and attached. Keep up the good work.
Regards,
Paul Lowrance
No offence meant, but I could fake that easily.
I would use a lipo battery(7.4v 20C@10amps=74watts)which I have and fits in your coil-micro DC-DC converter to 100v under battery and it would run for a few minutes or so, too easy.
The question here is does your device really work as stated and what is your intent.
OK, canceling the flux is the number 1 issue for me, one question comes to mind though if I cancel it all will the TPU still work. The heat production is problematic but seems necessary producing enough free electrons , god I'm getting a head ache just thinking about this. Should the flux only be canceled in one direction? Well like Curly Joe says I'm trying to think and nothin happens.
Is that why it doesn't run upside down?
Not a direct question now, just thinking out loud so the rest of the group can think with me.
That's a straight bulb, I worked for Solar Electric, Bulb manufacturing plant in Warren, PA when I was younger, Helped me get through higher learning payments. Was a class A bulb machine operator when I left. That is a standard filament bulb.
Why are you guys doing this and are these from out of the woodwork posters? I'm going to drop everything for a moment and go back and see who is suddenly posting that wasn't.
Guys the closeup of the collector above is mine I can't be sure it's right. I did get a very steady DC spikey screen shot with those when I was running them though. They are standard insulated copper, 16 guage, 12 wraps, no folds cores.
it?s an older-one photo-flash-bulb inside.
this mak best brifghtness with low voltages Some AG-13 inside?
must take an clear-glas lamp or halogen lamp . Car 60 watt enz.
Pese
OK , I took notes now all the guys working can work again. Jason, I tried to come up with and answer but there is a even number of wires so odds are better in favor of a 555 timer. Worked my butt off on the pic but there isn't enough detail to bring it back into focus.
Lindsay don't get mad, these guys got worked up in another section and came in here starting a fight, ignore those people posting. I'm working on something and not changing and other things popping up. Others are working hard on this too. And it will end up the ones working hard pay for these outbursts.
I think it's fine to come in and say if you are so inclined a TPU wont work and why, I don't like personal attacks. I also don't like claims of skullduggery with out proof. All the gas is energized in the bulb, inverted gama, below.
Turbo you're good, they didn't even bother to note you said "no claims of OU. same thing ignore them.
Same with you other guys we were working well together, don't waist TPU energy on fighting each other.
There are at least 25 guys here in Erie working on TPUs I'm the only one joined so when pics get posted some of them come over to see. Can't non-members see them?
Quote from: raburgeson on December 03, 2006, 02:55:17 PM
Is that why it doesn't run upside down?
we have a rotating field powerd by, a rotating field.
if we turn it upside down it would be like trying to sail against the wind.
T.
Tomas,
how do you mean that ?
Why would a turn of 180 degrees not work ?
Does it depend in which direction the field is rotating ?
Are you using bifilar coils for the output, so that there is
no drag back ?
I have seen Otto posting something about using bifilar coils
in a different forum.
I will look it up again and post it over here.
I am really curious, when does a bifilar coil at all
put power out, when you put a load onto it ?
Must there be a rotating magnet field around the bifilar coil ?
I guess, my next experiment will be to see first,
with what kind of changing magnet field I will get a lamp
to light up from a bifilar coil and how it reacts back to the
source...
I guess this basic experiment is very important to see,
if we can violate Lentz law with it...
Maybe Marco and Dave and the others on Dave?s group,
who have experimented with this already can give us some insight into this ?
Please also post some scopeshots, so we can see, how it all interacts..
Without scope shots, it is really hard to see, what is going on in all these
coils..
Many thanks.
Regards, Stefan.
P.S: We have enough storage room over here.
but please try to scale the pics down to at least 800x600 or
1024x768 for easier viewing.
Many thanks.
I think the flux can be canceled around the conductor and this will not cancel the field around the coil. Drawing coils I came to the realisation that it has to be canceled in both directions. I don't have any collectors wound bi-filer guess my next step is to start winding. before I do can anyone think of anything else I can incorporate into the new coil? Should I fold the core, don't think it will hurt it.
Ok stefan, but if I hit a smoking gun got it circuit I'm posting a picture the size of Manhatten with everything labeled in type on it, Well 2 of them both sides of the board.
Okay, Raburgson.
Well I just saw some postings of Otto
in gn0sis.com.
Here is what he wrote and he also now uses
bifilar output coils.
He also says, Turbo used Trifilar coils
in his video, where he lit the 60 Watts bulb...
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Hello all,
of course your right. I would say my Rodin coil is one and is NOT a Rodin coil because I have 2x12 turns in my coil like Rodin did it but his coil has other dimensions (I think his hollow is much bigger). What I will say is I have only a bigger magnetic field with this setup. The power consumption from my power supply is with the classical coil 12VDC 1,8A = 21,6W and with the Rodin coil 5VDC 1.8A = 9W.
Why Im going this way??
SM said the TPU works with the earths magnetic field. We all know everything around us vibrates. This vibrations are in sine waves not in square waves and a Rodin coil needs sine waves to work. So I will pulse my 3 Rodin coils with sine waves and the control coils with square waves.
The next reason I use a Rodin coil is we are working with audio signals (20Hz - 20kHz we can hear, theoretically!!) with say, 5 kHz. Audio signals are sine waves (again sine waves).
Please dont kill me, I hate theories!!
Im now winding my collector coils.
This morning I saw Turbos setup at overunity. com. Now Im thinking...
His setup is trifilar with no segments. We have 3 collector coils, 3 trifilar wound control coils and if I make the outer coil (wound all over the others) in 3 segments...
Now I have really to think about this.
Otto
Hello all,
I cant post a picture because its only a ring like others and as I wound it I had to fix the turnes with isolating tape. The point is when I wound this Rodin coil I had to move the turns inside the hollow ring because my hollow ring is only 1 cm in diameter and the Rodin coil from J:L:Naudin is oval(7cm inner diameter, 14,5 cm outer diameter, HEIGHT 3, 75 cm). So I see my coil only as one with 12 turns and this twice as there are 2 coils of them.
Yesterday I wound 26 turns bifilar wires around this Rodin coil(s) to see what will happen (like turbo).
Guys I can tell you its the first time I lit a 24V/5W light bulb to full brightness!!! Its not much but this is my best result so far. The input fron my power supply was 9VDC/250mA and on the other side was the pulsed signal. The bifilar wound coil was connected in series. The frequency was in the range between 10 - 100kHz. I have the feeling if I could pulse the coil with higher frequency the result would be much better.
What I dont understand is why is the voltage on my power supply rising?? As long as Im working with my TPU very often I see the voltage rising on my power supply at some frequencies.
Yesterday with 9VDC on my power supply and pulsing the coil my volgage got to 24VDC or more on my power supply and then I lit this light bulb. I tried to stabilize this voltage at my power supply with diodes but nothing.
It seems to me my coil is powering the power supply?? This power supply is self made and stabilized 0 - 24VDC and can handle a lot of current.
Now, when I connect my Rodin collector in series and pulse it with one frequency and the bifilar coil with another I cant lit my light bulb. I also tried to use other combinations of pulses but only sine waves does the job!!
I forgot to mention I was using only sine waves (no kicks).
When I use square waves there is nothing. No effect.
Otto
Otto,
I was asking myself why the power was going up just before 3 bright sparks came out through the top of the case on my function generator, may it rest in peaces. Good luck I hope noone else has a similar experience. Is that DC or AC mine didn't last long enough to tell?
X tell me if this is on the right track,
You have managed to create a coil which can resonate with a nearfield frequency and generate electricity wirelessly. Like an electrical antenna.
But you have not yet found out how to get it to pull charge from the earths resonant frequency of 7.8
Ran outa town cause he didn't like the treatment then came back to get even. He's still laughing!
No I was not told in any way that was a 60watt bulb I only knew it appeared to be a standard bulb and thats usually 60-100watts.
Sorry for assuming perhaps its a 30-40 watt, I couldn't say but I'm pretty sure 30-40 watt bulbs are smaller then the bulb in the video.
~Dingus
The wattage is usually printed right on the head of the bulb. Maybe the next video to be displayed will display the bulbs wattage rating. Also Home Depot sells bulb sockets. That way the bulb wont burn your hand and you can see how long the coil can light the bulb for.
Only suggestions not demands...
Thanks again,
~Dingus
voltage an warr?s ?
if an clear bulb or small halogen lamp . this will be fine.
i myself can open any "normal" glas-bulb
and put "any" rubbish inside the milk-glas.
its not and "magic circle" here , to find fakes.
it is better to see all .
pese
ps. also @all:
to test non-sinus and rf voltages ! Dont use simple
multimetrs only !
http://www.padrak.com/ine/DANGERSPOWER.html
Quote from: pese on December 04, 2006, 02:46:23 AM
voltage an warr?s ?
if an clear bulb or small halogen lamp . this will be fine.
i myself can open any "normal" glas-bulb
and put "any" rubbish inside .
its not and "magic circle" here , to find fakes.
it is better to see all .
pese
please guys if this turns out well do us all a favor and share with the Open Source communities... www.OpenSource.org
peace
Listen you guys, I can give you a character reference of Dave, I'm quite sick of you guys having ago at him, I have been refraining myself, because i guess i want to be neutral.
But let me say this, go back to the other thread of SMs tpu, and you'll find Dave always asking how do you measure kicks and him being skeptical about the whole thing, infact he wanted an explanation like everyone else, I tell you this, his been doing FE for along time and isn't one of those guys to lie. Go back through the other thread and youll see what questions his asked.
Thats all I'm going to say.
Dom
:D
It's likely 50 watts or higher, 40 watt down are weak filimented and off frequency operation would probably kill it quickly. Thin filiments vibrate like crazy, if you break open a burnt out bulb and look at the flare assembly, the leads (heavier are the power and ground) and there are 2 or three braces on the top of the mount, They are attached by what is called the "button". That's the heated and mashed rivit head on top. The braces are a speacially figured spaces apart to support the filiment at a point were the vibrations don't meet. I know I'm boring you but I think 50 or 60 is a good guess by whoever made it. If it's lower the person lighting it is going to go through a lot of them and be rather unsuccessful at demos.
Thank you Dom, I'm glad you said that , we don't even know if it's in the group , big money big trouble, but that was approap. I said way to much the last time this happened and I'm glad Stefan understood why I got grumpy but, I didn't want to do it twice.
I still think the heat in this unit provides free electrons to the TPU like the heater in a magnetron provides electrons. wonder if this is right. Did you note what freedomfuel said about not going out of round, and then I see a post about an ovoid shaped coil, confusing.
Yes Dave was doing alot experiments, and he is the one that came up with the three transformers, that is feeding in into two and outputting to the 3rd, his been always asking how do you measure these kicks, he wasn't happy until he could test this phenomenon.
I was just going back through the other thread and his nick i think was ctglabs, but i see ive responded to him at post 56 but he isnt listed....why?
whats happened to his posts? Stephan do you know?
A guy that spends many years of his life researching FE aint going to bs, trust me on that one.
Cheers,
Dom
HI All,
Just wanna to say about the X's TPU, I've read some where, that he mentioned inside of his device doesn't have any iron core or anything else except for air core. How's the configuration, he did also mentioned to check back his last experiment on the spinning compass. Do any body still have the copy of his tread on the subject?
And the TPU doesn't acted like normal transfomer as normal transfomer do.
From his information, he did also mentioned about frequency/s being feed into the TPU.
My personal opinion is that the TPU is used as "grooming" area for the frequency/s before the anomalous frequency effect occurs (mixing of the 3 frequencies).
He did also mentioned that his current device is not OU yet, as the power source for the feeding is still need to be sourced from outside.
For tought, can the earth reasonant (7.8Hz) be used in one of the frequency for the TPU?
Regards,
p/s : nothing much to say
thinking if it resonates at a frequency and like an antenna and is already immersed in the frequency, it may be an input that doesn't require a physical connection. And then I'm full of gas and have no idea.
If everybody tries to answer though we may come up with something.
come on somebody else try.
Please correct me someone if I'm wrong. X said his device is not OU. In my opinion A TPU is not an OU device. It is an energy trap. A bit like the sails on a ship.
AM
Hello all,
why are people always looking for a fake??
This all started in January and some people said its a fake!!
Dave had success and again for some people its a fake!!WHY??
Sorry but I dont understand it. Dave at least deserved it to have success!!Do you remember how many posts he had?? A LOT!!
Didnt you see his success is a result of really hard work or do you think to wind this coils is a game??
So far I can only say to Dave is BRAVO!!!
About the big money: what BIG MONEY???
When I finish my TPU (one day I will, Im sure!) I will NEVER say it is my invention!! Mr. Steven Mark did it and thats the true!! Maybe you think you can patent it?? It is by SM or by the company he sold? his patent.So I cant see any big money for me and as I have not much money I wont have it from my TPU. Why Im building my TPU?? To power maybe my home and its for me a real discovery to see this thing working. NOTHING MORE!!!
If you think you will be rich with such a TPU then I must dissapoint you. You will get just peanuts, if you stay allive.
I would say for the beginners just make your TPU and test it, measure, mix the 3 frequencies...enjoy!!
About the light bulb: I think we should not discuss the wattage of the bulb. For me its not the point. Fact is a bulb lights. Guys you should focus on the frequencies, connecting coils, testing...when this thing is working it has no difference from a 40W or a 100W light bulb!!
Otto
Quote from: hartiberlin on December 03, 2006, 08:10:59 PM
Tomas,
how do you mean that ?
Why would a turn of 180 degrees not work ?
Does it depend in which direction the field is rotating ?
i think it acts like a gyro.
i always sleep bad when it's a full moon like last night.
i woke up in the middle of the night and draw something.
i took a pic with my phone.
T.
Firstly, I am not in this to make money. There are plenty of other ways I could have spend the last 10 years making money on. I have spent the last 10 years throwing my hard earned money down the drain building crap that never works and never shows any strange results. My goal in trying to build a free energy device is to do just that, get FE working and give it to the world. Theres one thing that is clear and that is no FE device will ever come to market.
I showed only a few things on OU.COM to get some inspiration going as you all seem stuck in a rut with no where to go, but most arent even building, just waiting for the some one to give them the answer. Why should I spend every spare moment and all my money just to give the answer to a bunch of arm chair researchers?
Look at the response I got on ou.com, no well done, just GIVE US THE F******* SECRET. Well, I could say you got all you are going to get, at what point will you start building, when you have some clues or when you have the entire device plans? Whatever happened to experimentation and learning?
I have found some strange effects and I have posted some of it here, use it! I dont understand my self yet. REMEMBER I did not HAVE to post anything at all, neither did Marco. I seek neither money, respect, assistance or anything from you all. But I am a nice person and wanted to give you all a boost.
It seems some special effect can appear or it must wind up or something, I don't know yet. Give me chance, remember I am also a human, I am also studying most of the time as well as earning a living, eating a and sleeping and people are want want want! I admit I am the same, but I encourage you all to continue your own work while I try and get this random effect to be common instead and work out what is going on.
I dont even know how many turns, etc, I just wound it randomly since I didnt know how much to wind because there was no special design in mind, in order to tell you no of turns I will have to dismantle the thing and then I may loose it forever and not be able to make it again. As it is doing something, it stays as it is while I work on it. Then I will try and build another one to duplicate the effect and document its construction fully and photograph everything.
But as I said, the build was random, I don't think its critical at this stage, you have the details to make one yourselves. But I cannot guarantee sucess, most of the time there is essentially no output, then bam, so if you dont get this random and sudden magical effect, you will think you have not suceeded and mis it. After running a few tests I was ready to give up with that idea, then there it was. If it was explainable easily, it would have been seen before, so... I cannot tell you directly how to make it since I dont know why it works the way it does YET. Now please go an do some work of your own too!
Dave.
Hey Dave, thats it matey. Good onya.
Well Said
Don't forget there might be outsiders who want to discredit you here. Look what happened to Tesla, same thing.
Also money for him was a means to an end, so Fark the money, do it because you want to see it working, that to me is more than anything in the world, look at what misery money brings in the world,
misery misery misery, those that have and the have nots, I live in Australia, and people can't even afford a house anymore, interest rates are farking everything up.....etc etc
more money, like someone said to me, the money you have the more shit you spend it on, that you really dont need.
There are good people, mixed with some bad ones.
Dave, I should have said something awhile ago.
Youve done much in the past and I know how you think....
Thats why I had to say something.
Thats the way I feel and I'm sticking to it.
Sincerely,
Dom
what i meant to say is:-
the more money you have the more shit you spend it on, that you really dont need.
Yes Dom,
A fisherman sits back and catches a few fish just in the morning and a big business man comes a long a tells him how to increase the amount of fish he catches and how to make much more money and increase the size of his business. He can then take on employees and hand the work over to them, so he can just sit back and catch a few fish in the morning.
You see the problem with money!
D.
hello again all,
have you guys studyed James Fauble Ion Source Beam Projector? (http://www.pureenergysystems.com/os/IonSourceBeamProjector/theory/attracts_atmospheric_ions/index.html) the principle of his device seems to relate to TPU.
peace
Hehehehe Dave, its like water pouring in a bucket, but theres a small hole in the bottom of that bucket, but you just try to keep topping it up, but your never satisfied, because the bucket keeps getting empty.
A nice Greek friend told me that one.,
Oh yeh I see problems with money alright. I hate the shit.
controls people, because they are programmed that way.
I've had some personal experience, of your typical rich types and the have nots,
The more you have the more you want to try and hold onto it.
I can keep going
At the end, where do you go, six feet under, what have you acheived?.........money to me is an illusion.
Yeh yeh yeh i sound like a crack pot, thats right maybe I am a crackpot, but maybe everyone else is a crackpot and im normal.....i'll laugh at that one.....hang on a tick ....LMFAO....
Dom
Dave,
Firstly well done. I thought I had to point out not everyone here is freeloader or armchair scientist. Such a find has huge benefits and it is only natural that many here wan to contribute. If you posted some close up pictures of what you've done you would kick start this project in the right direction. I did see file you posted earlier but winding a coil in a certain direction could quite possible have an effect. Also the kind of wire you used. Go eat now!
Regards
AM
i think money will go on even when free energy becomes commercial. the only difference is that it will be used for luxury only, because everything else will be taken care of.
http://www.padrak.com/ine/WALTON696.html
Each energy level has three unique frequencies
and this Spring into my mind,
12:4 And his tale (of lies - John 8:35) drew the third part of the
"Stars" (ch. 9:1) of heaven (into his army), and did (cause them to
be) cast to the Earth (for their treason against God): and the dragon
stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour
her child as soon as it was born (Christ - second coming).
Thanks for explaining your situation 'X'. And thanks also, to you and others, for sharing the research you've been doing.
Take care.
Les.
Hi Dave,
if you don?t yet understand the effect yet it is running on, maybe you can post more informations, so we can help you ?
I will also draw up later this day a few diagrams and post them. Many thanks for your hard work Dave.
Quote from: X on December 04, 2006, 06:31:12 AM
Firstly, I am not in this to make money.
I showed only a few things on OU.COM to get some inspiration going as you all seem stuck in a rut with no where to go, but most arent even building, just waiting for the some one to give them the answer. Why should I spend every spare moment and all my money just to give the answer to a bunch of arm chair researchers?
Dave.
For the same reason that Red Hat Linux's founders did that.
They are all millionaires now.
Paul.
Ohhhh, but '' I AM'' will not hearken this time to, At egypt the 3rd, eh ''I AM'', even ''I AM'' is invisible by you, haveing the answer all the time, and theres you attempting to replicate this device that '' I AM'' From out of the blue telling the people from out of the blue how to design and make these ,
hey '' I AM'' Whats it feel like conducting closed loop,you Haveing fun there,also knowing all our thoughts, hehehehehe, you won't hearken onto these crys will you :-).
whats on this monitor ''I AM'' ?
:0).
I have to really wonder what is happening here. I have my own research, but if I were on the SM project then I should follow the following train of thought -->
Again, ***if*** I were working on the SM project I *should* go over the following train of thought:
* I was in the middle of a circuit, experimenting, etc. and was taken away by the present buzz.
* Suddenly a lot of people here are focusing on air cores, no magnetic fields, etc.
* Should I follow the majority here and also use all my time thinking about such things?
* Is the bulb in the photo truly burning anywhere near 60 watts?
* How much does true 60 watts blind a camera at that distance?
* Can a small Lithium-Ion or alkaline battery light up a 12 V bulb?
* If X or turbo were a truth seeker then why wouldn't he just show a video that clearly answers everyone's concerns?
Please, I am not saying anything is fake, but I know for ***fact*** if I were in X or turbo's position I would indeed shoot a video that answered everyone's concerns. This is very serious. I was asked not to name names, but a person from this forum emailed me a photo of a simple 9V battery lighting up a large 12V bulb that looks just like a 60W bulb.
Kind regards,
Paul Lowrance
Guyââ,¬â,,¢s
Even when Dave and all the rest started out on this project it had already an ax hanging over it and they probably knew this.
You heard what Dave said many times before, He, Otto and the rest would for once want to see a unit working, be it FE or OU what ever, and not being suppressed. (SO WOULD I AND SOME OF US HERE)
In a month or a yearââ,¬â,,¢s time maybe all of us will have a unit and a light bulb resting on a shelf in our respected homes. Some thing that we can only use to maybe entertain friends and family withââ,¬Â¦. For a half an hour or an hour. That is where it will end.
Not running your car, your home, or what else it can be used forââ,¬Â¦, even SM units still have a very critical flaw, OVER HEATING AT LOAD. (I think, maybe, he built it a year or two, the rest of the time was trying to get the thing not to heat up, remember the stop watch always present)
So even with this unit working exactly like SM unit, what use is it if it keeps on over heating.
(((((So stop yanking the chains of the people that really have their hearts into this. Seeing what ever money and time they put into this going down the tube, with failure after failure in test after test. Then still have to listen to all the criticism and negativity from most us. The invite is their, put your cards on the table, or keep a lid on it, please.
If you feel left out, or short changed in life, or think the world owe you something, others have and you donââ,¬â,,¢t have, maybe it is because that same attitude you are reflecting in the answers in your posts is what you live by.
And yes you will still get the big shots yanking of (even at this post) at every thing in life that is not to their liking. You know what, a big shotââ,¬Â¦ it is a little shot away from home.
FROM THE GOOD BOOK ââ,¬â€œ (even if you donââ,¬â,,¢t believe in it, read, you might learn something)
Pro 17:28 Even a fool, when he holdeth his peace, is counted wise: and he that shutteth his lips is esteemed a man of understanding.
Pro 18:2 A fool hath no delight in understanding, but that his heart may discover itself. ))))))
Now, ââ,¬Â¦., let see who have some positive in put, how can we get this TPU running and keep it cold, Once it is running . . . . . .
Paul,
We are all involved in research and I believe we should follow our own path but at the same time we should keep an eye on other's work in the same field.
You very well know those who claim their success loudest are generally the biggest flops. As for Dave, his previous posts (before he deleted them!) were intelligent rather than a lot of the crap blabbed by freeloaders. I don't know him personally but what could be his reason for posting a fake video?
Only I don't think he should have publicised his partial work because this makes him a target. In years to come we may all be trying still to replicate his work and wondering how did he manage to electric himself using a tooth brush!
AM
i made another one. :)
i hope somebody sees something in it.
T.
tomas,
Thanks for the drawing. how does this fit with:
quote:
This TPU is wound of three collector coils. Around each collector is a control coil which goes all the way around it. Then over this is another coil, then another.
So we have 3 collectors, each collector has 3 coils wound over it at 90 degrees. Each of these 3 are over each other, not in segments. This is to allow the frequencys to mix with each other.
end quote.
To be honest I can not work this out myself.
AM
Virus:
Quoteeven SM units still have a very critical flaw, OVER HEATING AT LOAD.
As a professional engineer and experimenter in the free energy field of long (and I mean long) standing, I must take issue with this remark.
I'll take all the excess heat you can give me. Heat is another form of electromagnetic energy and it can be absorbed and used to heat your home, drive a stirling engine etc. There are numerous methods to cool a device that wants to develop excess heat.
Temperature control and power engineering is one of my specialties as I have over 35 years experience and quite a few patents in this field. If Mr. Steve Mark has a problem with heating he can contact me and I will
free of charge (normally $150 to $250 per hr.) design a cooling solution for his device.
My offer is open to anyone that has developed a free energy device with an overheating problem or control problem.Kindly resist the temptation to obfuscate with "the critical flaw", which is not a problem.
Dave: If I may give unsolicited advice, I would ignore responding to the comments of some individuals and spend what time you may have constructively and get on with the process of documenting your devices and writing your autobiography and memoirs of this history making discovery.
Further research at this point will be moot if all is lost. All are willing to aid with further research giving full acknowledgement and credit to you (and Marco) and bearing witness to the the fact that the initial discoveries were the sole result of your efforts.
Congratulations again to you and Marco.
Sparkman
I understand you people were not referring to me since I never said anything negative about Dave or anyone here. :)
Kind regards,
Paul Lowrance
Quote from: AhuraMazda on December 04, 2006, 12:50:25 PM
end quote.
To be honest I can not work this out myself.
AM
ok you are right.
it only fits this:
This TPU is wound of three collector coils.
Around each collector are 3 control coils which goes all the way around.
So we have 3 collectors, each collector has 3 coils wound over it at 90 degrees.
T.
Sparkman
Sorry from my side putting it so bluntly, never thought of excess heat as a bounce, but you are right. Iââ,¬â,,¢ll take the rap on the knuckles for that one.
Itââ,¬â,,¢s just, I think every one gets tired of all the negative stuff, etc. As you say just ignore and take the positive out of it.
Sparkman then you should please hang around ! ! !, see already a positive out flow.
Virus
Virus:
Thank you for your post!!
I've been seeing this statement about "overheating problem" and "critical flaw" over and over on the forum. Don't take it personally that I responded to your post, I just felt now was the time to put this "old saw" to rest. It also gave me the chance to make my offer to Steve Mark and the rest of the FE community.
So you see it had a positive side and you were instrumental in making it happen. Sort of like a "kick" mmmm, with the proper "kicks" this forum could get moving in the right direction.
My sincere thanks. :)
Sparkman
hey...only been lurking around for a couple of days. very interesting experiments going on. Something occured to me with now using "air" cores. What if the cores were made of hollow glass and you pumped water through them. this would control the heat.
also we know what water in a glass can be used for!
maybe something maybe nothing. Hopefully soon ill start making my own coils.
keep experimenting!
Quote from: sparkman on December 04, 2006, 02:16:05 PM
Virus:
Thank you for your post!!
I've been seeing this statement about "overheating problem" and "critical flaw" over and over on the forum. Don't take it personally that I responded to your post, I just felt now was the time to put this "old saw" to rest. It also gave me the chance to make my offer to Steve Mark and the rest of the FE community.
So you see it had a positive side and you were instrumental in making it happen. Sort of like a "kick" mmmm, with the proper "kicks" this forum could get moving in the right direction.
My sincere thanks. :)
Sparkman
Sparkman
No offense taken.
I greatly wish I had the knowledge and expertise some of you guys have, most of the lingo on these sites just flies over head, but wanting to do something in this direction for the good for a long long time.
I think I just got up tight with the flippant attitude and no regard to anything serious about what other people have/are putting into developing our comforts in life.
Most people here donââ,¬â,,¢t only read one thread, so it tends to build up.
Maybe the other guys, if they want, can state their fields of expertise or what they can/will contribute to this forum, this way we all know each other ââ,¬Ëœn bit better. This is not a boast show but I believe in ââ,¬Å"Give credit where credit is dueââ,¬Â
(Maybe I am putting my foot into my mouth,) but I think the guys who are serious about what they are trying to accomplish here need to standup and pull this forum together, and keep it that way.
Virus
Hello Virus:
Quote(Maybe I am putting my foot into my mouth,) but I think the guys who are serious about what they are trying to accomplish here need to standup and pull this forum together, and keep it that way.
Excellent point, but as no one knows anyones expertise, you can't create a managed engineering solution where specialized talents are properly focused and directed. Threads are constantly derailed. I suspect if it is ever accomplished, it won't be engineered on a forum.
Good tidings to you:
Sparkman
Quote from: tomas on December 04, 2006, 01:41:22 PM
ok you are right.
it only fits this:
This TPU is wound of three collector coils.
Okay, Tomas,
these are the 3 output coils.
But how are they connected ?
All just in series ?
Quote
Around each collector are 3 control coils which goes all the way around.
So we have 3 collectors, each collector has 3 coils wound over it at 90 degrees.
T.
Shouldn?t it be 120 degrees ?
And additionally there seems to be another coil wound around the whole setup
at the end which is then somehow connected to control coils, which is
probably the feedback coil.
Tomas, please clarify.
Many thanks.
Regards, Stefan.
Quote from: tomas on December 04, 2006, 06:01:20 AM
Quote from: hartiberlin on December 03, 2006, 08:10:59 PM
Tomas,
how do you mean that ?
Why would a turn of 180 degrees not work ?
Does it depend in which direction the field is rotating ?
i think it acts like a gyro.
Yes, but a gyro can rotate in each direction.
So why can?t it rotate only in one ?
Have Marco and Dave also seen, that their devices stop
working, when they turn it around by 180 degrees ?
Thanks.
Quote from: tomas on December 04, 2006, 12:08:17 PM
i made another one. :)
i hope somebody sees something in it.
T.
Thomas,
okay, you seem to feedback(connect) the lower of the 3 collector coils to
3 control coils.
So which is now the Output to the bulb or a load ?
Do you just put the other 2 collector coils in series
and have this as the output ?
Many thanks for your Full-Moon dreams ! ;) ;D
Regards, Stefan.
Quote from: PaulLowrance on December 04, 2006, 11:30:42 AM
[...]Please, I am not saying anything is fake, but I know for ***fact*** if I were in X or turbo's position I would indeed shoot a video that answered everyone's concerns.
Full ACK to Paul.
Sorry for my intrusion. I dont want to imputate something, but when I compare
the video from Turbo (9 volt powered TPU) with the videos from Mr. X (selfpowered
TPU replication) I see one apparent difference.
Both guys use light bulbs to demonstrate the output power of the devices.
When you have a look at Turbos bulb you will see that the whole bulb
(simply all what is made of glass) shines bright white, up to the socket
of the lamp. And also the environment is enlighten by this bright light.
His hand, the ground, the wall and the circuit. All the shadows, wich are
produced by the normal room light are outshined when the bulb is on.
Now have a look at look at Mr. X's bulb. Even if the light-sensitivity of the
cameras are completlly diffrent, you will notice that the light produced
by Mr. X's bulb is by far not much bright than Turbos bulb.
More you will see some strange behaviors.
You see apparently a bright shining bulb, his hands are illumed by this
bulb. But look at the environment (the desk, his clothes etc..), nothing
is illuminated by the lamp - not a bit.
More, at 43 sec. in tpu13.avi you will recognize that not the whole glass
bulb will shine. 1/4 of the glass bulb near the socket remains unlighted,
only the upper glass globe illuminate.
All this is very strange.
In my opinion the demonstration from Turbo is much more convincing and
more credible.
But in both cases I wounder why there appear absolute no sparks in the
moment when the bulb connects to the wires. If this bulbs are powered
by 110 or 230 volts in this demonstrations I would expect some little
sparks in the moment of connection.
Yust my two cents, think about it.
Regards, Markus
PS: It's really hard to send a message in this forum.
I tried it now for 20 minutes, always getting this msg :-( :
: User 'hartiberlin1' has exceeded the 'max_questions' resource (current value: 70000)
/mounted-storage/home4/sub002/sc11940-GNVW/overunity/Sources/Load.php
1971
Quote from: pese on December 03, 2006, 03:01:46 PM
it?s an older-one photo-flash-bulb inside.
this mak best brightness with low voltages Some AG-13 inside?
must take an clear-glas lamp or halogen lamp . To see inside!!.
Pese
The big money I was refering to is oil, gas, electric, government and other sorts. They have people policing energy sites, and posting to destroy moral, and you ask why would they do this. Why do they keep and army of lawyers on the payroll? Both for the same reason to protect their profits. Big money big trouble I was not saying our group or individuals, I was saying most likely we have a plant amoung us. No, we are not greedy but the gouging companies listed above are and they will stop us if we fall for the stupid propaganda they feed us. Ever since they hid the negative resistor (yes that is a real componet) the government has had ou. Your education is structured to omit theories and practical application leading to ou. How many of you have schooling on something simple like inductor to inductor, or capacitor to capacitor reactions? And who's being paid to go around starting fights at all the energy sites? This is not the only site this is happening at, and this is not the first time it's happened on this site.
boy, i want a job like that. what does it pay? ;)
lol
sam
just got my first check in the mail today .. 10 mill for harrassing Mr X into admitting he had no such OU ..
Kind Regards,
MIB
I posted how to solve the problems with the forum a while ago
A) create some more user logins for your db
B) Change your config file to use these logins in a random order
-- create an array of users for the db and then randomly select from the array..
I posted the code in the comments section from the front page
Cheers,
Dean
Mr. Raburgeson
QuoteEver since they hid the negative resistor (yes that is a real componet) the government has had ou.
I looked all over the web to confirm this claim. I couldn't really find any true negative resistors. There are devices that have a negative resistance region of the voltage vs. resistance curve e.g. Esaki tunnel diodes Chung's device etc, however none of these devices go below the X axis. So if the X axis represents superconductivity, explain what can lie below this. Could you kindly reveal your source for this?
Kind Regards,
Sparkman
p.s. About that plant....was that indoor or outdoor ;)
Hi Dean,
many thanks for your tips with the database queries problem.
Currently it is set to 70.000 accesses per hour.
Now my hosting company seems to be not willing to set
this higher for me...
It seems I must look for a different hoster...
and will probably move on to an own server now.
Does anybody know a good company in the
USA, who has lots of bandwidth and offers
CPanel control panel dedicated server hosting ?
Best would be to have a server rack in a big
datacenter, that is connected very well to all networks
worlwide.
Price range should be less than 50 US$ per month
and telephone 24/7 support would be good.
Thanks.
Regards, Stefan.
:)
www.godaddy.com is good :)
thats 70,000 per hour for the current user ?
thats why i suggest adding multiple users and then either stepping through these or randomly selecting them for each connection
If you need more assistance I am a Software/DB programmer and System Analyst for quite a few web/intranet software companies.
Cheers,
Dean
Quote from: sparkman on December 04, 2006, 07:14:13 PM
Mr. Raburgeson
QuoteEver since they hid the negative resistor (yes that is a real componet) the government has had ou.
I looked all over the web to confirm this claim. I couldn't really find any true negative resistors.
Morray valves ( special radiactive material doped diodes)
have this characteristic when RF bursts are applied.
This was the way Morray couldgenerate 3 KWatts of power,
by amplifiying a local radiostation with this negative resistance
LC tank stages in series.
Every stage amplified the power level from the mikroWatts of radio input power
to the endlevel in his biggest device to about 3 KWatts.
Indeed it was a radiation powered device.
Direct radiation to electrical energy conversion.
Pretty efficient !
Regards, Stefan.
Quote from: dean_mcgowan on December 04, 2006, 07:24:26 PM
thats 70,000 per hour for the current user ?
thats why i suggest adding multiple users and then either stepping through these or randomly selecting them for each connection
If you need more assistance I am a Software/DB programmer and System Analyst for quite a few web/intranet software companies.
Cheers,
Dean
Hi Dean,
the problem is,
that I can only have 1 username per database !
Not 3 as in other hosting companies...
So this one username for the database access, can only do
70.000 queries to the database per hour.
So I can not use the trick to create several usernames for the
database...
price range for a good dedicated server that can handle lots of database action goes from 90 - 200. you need something with at least 1GB or RAM and an intel processor. i use these guys:
http://hostinganddesigns.com/ValueLineDedicatedServers.html
Stefan
http://www.hostsearch.com/ is a good start.
Good luck
AM
Stefan,
QuoteMorray valves ( special radiactive material doped diodes)
I'm quite well familiar with Moray's work ( been studying FE devices for 30 years.) I was hoping someone could guide me to a real life present day, duplicatable negative resistor. I find Moray's work very interesting at any rate. Have you been able to build a Moray Valve?
Thanks anyway for your effort, Stefan
Best Regards, Sparkman
Quote from: sparkman on December 04, 2006, 08:15:36 PM
I have been studying FE devices for 30 years.
What tenacity! I am beginning to lose hope now.
AM
Dear AM
QuoteWhat tenacity! I am beginning to lose hope now.
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Thank you for your kind compliment. :D
Don't lose hope, stay tuned for more good times in the funny forum.
Regards, Sparkman
This is one way to do it.
Hi Carl,
can you please post a few scope shots,
when you have assembled your TPU ?
To all other TPU experimenters:
Please post scope shots, so we can see,
what is going on in the coils when you pulse them.
Otherwise we can not learn anything.
Many thanks.
Regards, Stefan.
Nothing technical added. Deleted by Spherenot.
Spherenot,
Maybe to clarify, I should have added that it will probably be done by a bunch of guys who are somewhat focused, in a garage with their shirtsleeves rolled up who are also, but not necessarily connected to the internet. Didn't mean for it to sound dark. Mea culpa
Regards, Sparkman
p.s. rememeber the last big revolution? ;)
Hi,
In the heading of the patent 6015476 of Steve Marks is cited "Ross Schlueter (510) 524-7721 Berkeley, CA 94702", who is ?
How never the licence cites like "Steve Marks" coautor and not "Steven Mark" ? It is a transcription error?
Ciao
If this free energy was released open source back in the 1900's and not going the STUPID Patent system route, and Crack pot lucifer telling him that he invented it where really he was given all the ideas and ways of design,we would really have this stuff,
Look at linux the operateing system for the pc, microsoft really wants Linux Gone,
Quote from: hartiberlin on December 04, 2006, 05:16:08 PM
Quote from: tomas on December 04, 2006, 01:41:22 PM
ok you are right.
it only fits this:
This TPU is wound of three collector coils.
Okay, Tomas,
these are the 3 output coils.
But how are they connected ?
All just in series ?
Quote
Around each collector are 3 control coils which goes all the way around.
So we have 3 collectors, each collector has 3 coils wound over it at 90 degrees.
T.
Shouldn?t it be 120 degrees ?
And additionally there seems to be another coil wound around the whole setup
at the end which is then somehow connected to control coils, which is
probably the feedback coil.
Tomas, please clarify.
Many thanks.
Regards, Stefan.
ok , i jusdt copied the text if you look at the drawing well, its not hard to see its 120 degree.
T.
I have examined Turbo's system as humanly possible given the dire quality of the videographer. I have drawn a diagram to try and depict the components as much as possible and hopefully this will give you guys a more concrete basis to look this over and comment more precisely on the possible components in a way that everyone can visualize constructively.
Hope this helps.
wow thats great work watts!
it is all revelations and not inventions :D
yea as a great man once said "ideas are bullitproof"
Dean,
I dont know what your problem is.
Firstly I have NEVER CLAIMED TO HAVE a Free Energy device. Yes, I show a video with a bulb alight, but that doesnt mean I have found free energy or that I have a working TPU, although I may have found some strange effects which I am trying to clairfy at the moment.
You have all assumed so far and believed because you want to see (obviously not Dean).
Take the videos as some fun for now, to give some hope to the forum that was falling apart. Decide for yourself about the videos, but dont give it all this crap about getting me to admit its fake and all this shit because I have never said it is REAL HAVE I in the first place? I suggest you either post something useful or dont bother posting at all. We all need to go in the same forward direction and you seem to take everything backwards, perhaps you are the MIB? Or perhaps you are just something else...?
So what if I left the forum, its not because I think I am better than anyone but this forum had so much running around and mis-direction. I just wanted to go to a place with a bit less madness because I was spending so much time reading and posting that I couldnt get any work done. Why does it bother you so much that I left and you clearly dont like the fact I came back. Well tough shit, because here I am, now either post constructively or get lost because I am back and I am staying, so get with the program.
Now are we going to work together to finnish this project, or are you going to keep trying to provoke and putting everything down?
D.
Hello All,
Perhaps a lot of you know ... BB Bob Boyce : something he told remains me a lot of thing I read on this thread : his PWM3E (schemas ara publicly released) can generates 3 frequncies independently and he also said that the wiring the output of this PWM3E on toroidal transformer could lead to ... unexpected effect . I think that Mister X or turbe should try to contact bob boyce via oupower.com ... it could very interesting
I have been trying to apply helmholtz coil information to the TPU, Turbo is attacking on his front, mr x on his. Plus we are all trying to attack this with information from Lindsay and Steven. Tell me what circuits you all have tried to get helpful info from. When you see the answers then you are going to know we are working and we add up to a lab.
I'm glad you're back x
Everyone, the key is to mix 3 frequencys. Steven built over 300 models and each was different, trying to find which was the best way of winding. So the coils are not so important. What is important is mixing the right combination of 3 frequencys. The answer is not apparent, when you find it you won't go, "oh of course", you will be "why the hell does that work" because it doesn't fit within the normal science!
I suggest you all build a 3 frequency generator either SS or Valve because the only way you are going to find the right mix of frequencys is to experiment until you find them, you are not going to find them by talking.
Regards,
D.
Hello,
Yes the right answer is to mix 3 frequencys. For a better understanding why 3 I suggest to study the work of John Worrel Keely.
Good luck,
The only way we are going to have a working TPU is if we build real devices and test them. We can (and I have) studied the work of Keely and others. But after a point, you wont have any device if you dont get your tool box out and make one. If we want a real device we are going to all have to build a test device and start mixing frequencys, now who is with me and who is just going to sit back? Come on guys, lets do it!
D.
X,
I will build a test device if the instructions are clear. typically, your comment in your previous point "built ... SS or Valve" what do you mean?
Regards
AM
Quote from: AhuraMazda on December 05, 2006, 07:33:06 AM
X,
I will build a test device if the instructions are clear. typically, your comment in your previous point "built ... SS or Valve" what do you mean?
Regards
AM
Hi,
SS = Solid State = use semiconductor (bipolar or MOSFET) to switch
Valve = Electric Valve = use vacuum tube to switch
rgds
Gyula
SS=Solid State.
The effect was first found in tubes/valves, it took many years to get it to work with solid state device, there is a big difference between the two and the valves seem to have a property that transistors do not posess and the solid state circuit took a long time to get it to work properly.
I suggest you just wind 3 coils around a collector and start mixing. The winding/number of turns is not critical at this point.
I can't give you all the answers because I dont have them yet. But are we going to start building with what we do have, or say I dont have enough so I am not going to build it. Thats what experimentation is all about isnt it?
Regards,
D.
X is right!
I doubt that there will ever be words that will convince any body that has not built a tpu and had a go at mixing these frequencies.
however if ...or when words become available they will only be understood by those who have built a few coils and experimented a bit.
The guys that have posted videos are a bit cheecky i think but at least they are doing something. they have told you that its not a marks tpu its just something to stir up the inspiration...Funny how some of the doubters suddenly changed their tune.
I dont agree with what they did but I certainly respect most everything else that they have done...
It could be a long road
It will not be easy to build ..thats for sure ...but make a start..
There may be help with along the way......
I've just seen the videos of the TPU.rar file, I ask my self about the power involved to light the bulb, do we have any idea of the ouput power of the device ... because when a 40 Watt (or 60 W)bulb is switch on you can not keep it in your hand for even 1 second it is to hot.
Did you read what I posted? I have not claimed to have a fully working TPU. The videos show a lighted bulb, that doesnt mean free energy.
You have been given you what need to start for yourself, stop questioning the videos. Are you looking for proof or are you looking to build your own and discover the secret. I urge everyone to get winding and start testing, forget the videos please.
The key is mixing 3 frequencys, you HAVE THE ANSWER, USE IT!
Hi Dave,
With the pulse circuit in your PDF that uses the ICL8038:
http://www.intersil.com/data/FN/FN2864.pdf
You are using the pulse/square wave output so that you can control the duty cycle as well as the frequency.
At the moment I am building a push-pull circuit based on the TL494CN (for the MEG).
I see that you have used a single timing capacitor and two pots for the range selection (course and fine).
Did you consider using a rotary switch, say 12Way single pole and a series of capacitors to give you 12 overlapping frequecies?
The ranges could go from 8Hz to 350Khz in steps that are ~ x 2.4 each start frequency.
ie.
1. 8Hz - 20Hz
2. 20Hz - 50Hz
3. 50Hz - 120Hz
4. 120Hz - 280Hz
5. 280Hz - 670Hz
6. 670Hz - 2KHz
7. 2KHz - 4.8Khz
8. 4.8Khz - 11Khz
9. 11Khz - 26Khz
10. 26Khz - 62Khz
11. 62Khz - 148Khz
12. 148Khz - 355Khz
It may be possible to do away with some the lower frequencies but you never know.
Are you UK based?
I have started a circuit layout using Eagle PCB design tool for the TL494 and I could do one for the ICL8038 if anyone is interested.
If you keep the board size below 4"x 4" you can use it in evaluation mode.
Regards
Rob
Perhaps I miss someting beacuse i've just read all the 19 sheets, then more clearly it is not against you, the question is about the ratio
(power out / power in) that's all. Even if it is not ou it could worth to build if the ratio is 90%, then do you have measure it that's all I ask.
Rob Hi,
Yes, I am UK based, 10 miles from London Bridge, where are you?
I have just a DPST toggle to switch between two caps for a couple of ranges. Could do with a more refined design as well.
So, if you are able to give a circuit for this, that would be great for me and the others.
Someone emailed me about finding the ICL8038. They are discontinuned but cricklewood electronics still had a load. As for anywhere else, people are just going to have to search. The MAX038 would be better, but I cannot find those, they go up to 20Mhz with all waveforms.
The ICL8038 design could also include the sine and triangle outputs and you could use a split voltage power supply circuit too to get proper AC out, so we can mix waveforms.
Have you easy access to PCB etching equipment? I dont normally make PCBs because its all experimental or I build it on strip board, so I have to go round a mates to use it. If you design one and are etching one, perhaps you could etch me one too and I can send you a tenna or something.
Regards,
Dave.
Rob,
Perhaps the TL494 design would be better since the ICL8038 is no longer made and many people wont be able to find it, but the TL494 is not that old and still produced. I have a couple here as free samples from Texas Instrument, etc.
What is the top frequency?
Thanks,
D.
By the way, I recommend people use valve circuits if possible since SM has said that it worked with valve circuits, then they replaced them with of the shelf solid state generators and it wouldnt produce the effect. So there can be some special condition that is required and it took a long time to get this out of a SS design.
However, I am seeing some effects with SS, but there is no way to no just yet if it is the right thing, or the same thing as in the SM tpu or a different effect!
So, those who have experience with valve circuit, I recommend you try those. Those that do not, I recommend you play with some lower voltage solid state circuits instead because the voltages from tube power supplys will kill you if you dont play nicely...
D.
Hi folks
This is my virgin posting so be gentle?
I have no formal training in electronics but am a tinkerer and decided to spend my time on something worthwhile like helping to save the planet.
I have spent my evenings and weekends the last few months tinkering with magnets and electromagnetic devices, and in particular using tones in conjunction with various coil/core configurations. After reading all the postings on this topic I have decided to have a go with this device.
I?ve built a couple of cheap tone generators but can?t get them to work properly. I?ve had more success using a freeware program called NCH tone generator through my PC sound card. It works well and seems to produce nice clean sine waves. I was thinking that for testing purposes I could use 3 PC?s each running the tone generator software through the soundcard into the device. Testing for OU would be difficult, but it could quickly nail the frequencies required. Any comments would be appreciated.
Cheers
S
Hi,
This could be an expensive way of doing it and you will be limited on your top frequency because of the sound card.
You may be better off fixing your tone generators.
Also, once the mix is found, the effect is not that dramatic, once it is found, it needs to be fed back in a loop and then it takes off!
D.
Ok, once you have your 3 frequencies exactly where would you apply them?
AM
Quote from: wattsup on December 05, 2006, 03:03:11 AMI have examined Turbo's system as humanly possible given the dire quality of the videographer.
Hi wattsup,
There are at least two methods getting more detail.
First method works great under certain conditions, but is merely bring out detail. Go into Adobe Photoshop, load the image, click "Filter", click "Sharpen", then make selection.
Second method takes a long time, but is far better. Take as many frames of the same angle as possible. Meticulously align each frame. Then you must use a special computer program that takes all the frames and creates one final frame. To understand why this technique works simply look through a mess screen. You'll see it's difficult to clearly see everything because of the mess. Now move the screen while looking at the object and you'll be able to clearly see the object. I'll refer to this technique as the "Screen Effect." :)
Regards,
Paul Lowrance
Hi Dave,
There are a whole host of PWM chips that Texas instruments do that are far in advance of even the TL494.
Most of the new chips with totem pole outputs able to drive a MOSFET very hard at around 1.5 to 2 amps at the gate.
The big advantage here is you do not need a pull-up or pull-down resistor on the MOSFET gate which use up valuable power.
Farnell in one have a good range of these chips but not all of them.
There are also single output chips which are more suited to this project.
Speeds up to 4Mhz
http://focus.ti.com/paramsearch/docs/parametricsearch.tsp?family=analog&familyId=662&uiTemplateId=NODE_STRY_PGE_T
UC2842 will go to 500Khz and up to 1A output current.
I do have all the PCB making equipment but it is a bit messy and drilling the holes is quite time consuming, but it can be done.
Regards
Rob
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thanks for info about this tpu of yours dave.
Quote from: AhuraMazda on December 05, 2006, 09:56:54 AM
Ok, once you have your 3 frequencies exactly where would you apply them?
AM
Look I am going to say this once more only. Wind a collector with 3 control coils round it and apply your 3 frequencies, one to each control.
Do I need to do it all? I had to play around to find something, why cant you?
The coiling is not as critical here, there are many ways to wind the coils. WHAT IS IMPORTANT IS THE FREQUENCYS. Bear that part in mind and just wind some coils and see what you get!
D.
Okay, one day later,
but here they are attached to this message,
the drawings that I think how Dave said it should be done.
The first drawing is, what Dave just posted.
3 independent control coils wound onto the collector coil.
Numbers of turns not shown...just the basic design.
You must probably wind all the control coils into the same windings
direction onto the output collector coil.
Second drawing is what I might question Dave,
if not each of the 3 coils needs to have 2 partial coils,
which oppose their flux.
So each partial coil must be put in parallel to oppose
its flux to the other partial coil.
This way the flux goes out into the center and a spinning
flux is generated, if all 3 x 2 coils are phased driven by 120 degrees
phase shift.
Then probably also just 1 frequency would be okay,
if it is the effect of pushing electrons through the collector coil wire
like water in a water-garden-hose...
P.S: You can only see the pics, if you are logged into the forum.
You have to click the pics to see their original size around 800x1200 pixels.
Stefan,
What you have posted is correct for what I have said and tried although I have 3 4inch TPUs with different configurations and I going to make a SM17 with coils which can configured in different ways.
Dave.
what does the phase between the voltage and current look like at the collector with your setup?
Scope shots will be shown when I can capture them! The effect so far is random and hard to control, sometimes I can go for an hour and not see it, then suddenly, bam, there it is. It can come down to how fast my finger is on the hold button on the scope. When I have something repeatable and presentable, I shall show then we can work out whats going on.
D.
Does anyone have plotting software that can do a FFT (fast Fourier transform) of three frequencies? Signal analysis? Graphing calulator?
(I have Mathcad, but not at my current location.)
I'd expect to see something kind spiky - like this: (1st attachment)
Here is a freeware freq analyzer - pipe your 3 audio freqs in and see what the hell is going on:
X or Mannix... does 3 6 9 ring a bell, or multiples of 3... for your frequencies? Just curious.
Hi to all,
I'm shure that many of us are thinking about coils geometry & interconnections. If it may help here is my first tentative solution I would try to start with.
@Dave
Am I right on this design?....may I proceed?
Thank you very much for any help you could supply.
Stefan,
Thanks for clarifying the coils issue. I also think your idea in your second drawing is good. But, are you proposing 2 different approaches or are you suggesting these coils will be placed on top of one another? The reason for my cofusion is that you have output coil in both drawings.
Grus
AM
Ronette Hi,
The drawing is good and is how one of my TPUs is wound. However may I recommend having the coil wires all outside so you can change the configuration after the thing has been taped up!
There are many ways to wind the TPU, SM built over 300 versions, many were thrown away and the best designs kept. It was a process of ellimination. So please do not pay too much attention to the coils, take it as a "way" or a "loose" idea.
The main focus is the 3 frequencys.
Can I just say to everyone. I can see that no one can see why the mix of 3 frequencys can create this anomalous amplification effect, so instead everyones brains focus on the coil design instead. THIS IS A MISTAKE. Please do not start again ignoring the main FACTS because your egos cannot accept the fact that you cannot fathom why mixing 3 frequencys should work. Ego is the biggest problem and people end up building things to what their own knowledge and logic tells them, this is a big problem for most people. YOU SEE already I am telling you it is 3 frequencys to mix, and everyone wants to know about coils instead. I wound my coils randomly, they are not designed with anything special in mind.
Before everyone was ignoring the kick and making up thier own minds. PLEASE DONT DO IT ALL OVER AGAIN.
THE KEY IS THE 3 FREQUENCYS, DONT TRY AND UNDERSTAND IT, JUST USE THE INFO.
You cannot guess how this works. If it followed normal laws it would have been found long ago. We are dealing with unkowns, so thinking about why mixing 3 frequencys is special and where the energy comes from will only serve to drive you mad. All you can do is bare it in mind and get building!
Regards,
Dave.
Quote from: raburgeson on December 04, 2006, 05:48:12 PM
The big money I was refering to is oil, gas, electric, government and other sorts. They have people policing energy sites, and posting to destroy moral, and you ask why would they do this. Why do they keep and army of lawyers on the payroll? Both for the same reason to protect their profits. Big money big trouble I was not saying our group or individuals, I was saying most likely we have a plant amoung us. No, we are not greedy but the gouging companies listed above are and they will stop us if we fall for the stupid propaganda they feed us. Ever since they hid the negative resistor (yes that is a real componet) the government has had ou. Your education is structured to omit theories and practical application leading to ou. How many of you have schooling on something simple like inductor to inductor, or capacitor to capacitor reactions? And who's being paid to go around starting fights at all the energy sites? This is not the only site this is happening at, and this is not the first time it's happened on this site.
Look at profits this way, stealing peoples wealth under their own laws, if we actually had our share we would be very wealthy in material,but then when someone like john paul the 2nd body dies, can he take the money with him, no , but gets a life review from his enemy (good).
so when you read this, you will get this life review, by your enemy or not(get show everything and this, hi i am),what you see is overunity,but then freewill is provoked by divine intervention eh ,yea , well its like a future planed but your free will.
Dave,
I have all the equipment and components at my fingertip and before I actually start winding my coil I want to feel I am heading in the general right direction. At the moment I need to weigh the options involved doing this. I fully understand you are not proposing a set design and I can fully appreciate that but first: what is SM17? second, are always the two coil sets staked on each other?
Regards
AM
Hi,
I understand where you are coming from. I had less than you to go on when I started and SM had nothing at all. Hard work is to be expected here. I have wound around 5 or 6 TPUs now, and I going to wind more yet.
The SM17 is the 17 inch diameter TPU.
There is 3 layers in all my designs.
I would be prepared to wind more than one TPU in any event!
Regards,
Dave.
Hi All,
If its a rotating magnetic field that everyone is after then how about using a decade counter to driver 5 or 10 coils in strict rotational order.
You would need MOSFETs and MOSFET drivers to drive the current but essentially this may be what the 3 mixing frequencies are converging on.
You could also have two levels of power, one higher frequency pulse applied to all 10 coils then a slower decade applied on top.
Regards
Rob
@ ronotte , dave
Hallo ich habe die Zeichnung verfolgt und den Wicklungssinn verfolgt . dass heisst Clockwise die Anschl?sse beobachten. Wenn ich das so sehe das die Spulen gr?n Rot Blau auf den Zahlen 12 2 und 4 (Uhr) liegen ,driven from F2 F2 F3 . So sind die Spulen Rot und Blau die auf 8 und 10 der Uhr liegen anticlockwise mit der Ansteuerung versorgt (F1 F2 F3) und nur die Gr?ne Spule (6) hat dieselbe Ansteuerung im Uhrzeigersinn wie die Spule auf der 12. Dies ist bei allen 3 Toroiden gleich geschaltet. Ist das RICHTIG so ? Absicht ? Oder ein Fehler in der Zeichnung ?? ! Regards,
Hello I pursued the design and pursued the sense of coil. that Clockwise is called the connections observes. If I see in such a way that the coils green to red blue on the numbers of 12 2 and 4 (clock) to lie, from F2 F2 F3 driven. Like that the coils red and blue are anticlockwise on 8 and 10 of the clock lie with the control supplied (F1 F2 F3) and only the Green coil (6) has the same control in the clockwise direction as the coil on the 12. This is directly switched with all 3 Toroiden. Is the CORRECT like that? Intention? Or an error in the design?? ! Regards,
@pese
Sorry you are right....striving for the time I've not checked completely the drawing!
Really there are few errors. Soon I will post a correct one.
Ciao
ronotte
X, tell me plz. U talk about 3 freq.
Is this 3 freqs compose a interference?
& I can to summ all of that freq. Or, can I to subtract...
example:
f1-f2-f3 = Fout
or
f1+f2+f3 = Fout
Fout - freq of output(coil)
All I can really say is there is a kind of constructive interference I guess.
D.
X,
Just to clarify :-
You are admitting that the video was just a bit of hi jinx ?
But also claiming that you have made some progress of sorts ?
And that you now have the knowledge to guide the forum members to successfully build the SM replication project ?
And i was thinking the coup in fiji was a nice piece of work ....
Regards,
Michael . I . Balderdash
Dean,
I am passing on some information. Would you prefer I did nothing at all, like you?
Ouch...
I am very interested in the passing of information ... and what does the drip feed method achieve other than to make the little baby birds begging for each scrap that you might wish to share, hope to achieve other than your own self agrandoisment.
I could sprout all the crap you have been sharing in a heartbeat, but the fact is I know that its not the real answer because i have done enough research and tried enough experiments to know it doesnt work .. so now i raise you one and call you to shut the hell up yourself or post a some detailed information as you have been requested to, including schematics, scope shots, meter readings etc that might earn you a little piece of street cred back after your appaling behaviour of late.
Lay your cards on the table. Mine are still all posted here.. unedited, not removed, truthful (outspoken maybe) and signed with my real name. You see, the truth has nothing to fear or hide.
Regards,
Dean
PS .. where did turbo go ?
Dean,
You can take it all as you wish. You can ignore it if you wish. Whatever you feel really doesnt effect me in anyway. I dont really care about street cred as you put it and I dont really care what the people on this forum think of me, its all water off a ducks back. There is no onus on me because I not here to proove anything to anyone. If you dont want the info, or the small scraps then dont take them. I am not gaining from this in anyway, I dont want anything from anyone, you can believe what you want, thats your choice isnt it? So, I gave some scraps, I didnt have to give any. If you think its crap because you have already done it, then why dont you proove to the other guys that it is crap? Or show them your research to show I am talking crap, after all you are the expert arent you, Im just a measly morsal, a god damn insolent specimen?
At the end of the day, what I post or dont shouldn't affect you in anyway, if you dont believe anything I say, why do you get so wound up about it? Why do you even bother to reply to my posts? What is wrong with you?
You can raise me all you like, but I am not in a game to win anything and I really dont care what you think.
What exactly do you want?
Wow I think I just had some sort of Epiphany...
If you play any one frequency and a sub harmonic of that frequency you create a resonant harmonic beat each time the peaks of both frequencies sync up. Now if you add a subharmonic of the created resonant beat frequency you create more than 2 resonant beats... Rather, you create many harmonic beats for each active frequency dependant on which peaks from which frequency or harmonic beat sync up... basically three properly selected frequencies can create at least 6 instances of harmonic resonance per accumulative cycle.
example:
F1+F2 = H1
F2+F3 = H2
F1+F3 = H3
F2+H3 = H4
F1+H2 = H5
F3+H1 = H6
Note: I'm thinking of this in terms of audio frequencies... Also this layout only demonstrates harmonies created with at least one user input frequency, and that means it doesn't take subharmonics of the beats in to account. I will work tonight on creating some 3 frequencies simulations of my theory. Hope my computer doesn't explode or levitate!
:D
Hmmmmmm... I'm pretty invested in another project right now but I might have to go buy a scope soon. Electronics are not one of my strong points but I the more I think about this project the more feasible it sounds. I wish there was something a little more conclusive published...
Good luck to all just starting their research,
Many thanks to those users leading the group,
~Dingus
Dingus, perhaps you could ask our lord and master, it seems I am talking crap so you better not listen to anything I say.
ummm ok... ???
My theory may also kind of explain the "in parallel/in series" inconsistency from SM. He may have been referring to the work of the frequencies produced from the controller coils and not the wiring of the controller coils. In other words 3 controller coils wired independently can act as 2 frequencies in parallel and one frequency in series but in a constant state of changing positions and roles based on the resonant beats cycle.
Dingus,
That sounds a great find now, I have to find out what it is you are talking about!
Dave,
Don't get worked up.
Dean,
You can greatly help by telling us the experiments that failed. This would save us all repeating the same mistakes.
Regards
AM
you can get 2nd, 3rd, 4th, etc order resonance - they use this in accelerators to kick particle energy up.
Not sure if Turbo and X have colaborated, but looking at Turbo's images he clearly has wound 3 coils around the collector coil - the point of difference being these are wound tightly coupled the full length of the collector. These three coils are wired to the three driver transistors. I presume these coils are driven at the 3 related frequencies - as Dave "X" has been explaining...
What gets me is what physics explains how any voltage is generated in the collector coil? - usually the domain of magnetic flux which is @ 90? to the current direction.
Perhaps these 3 frequencies are somehow ordering the free electrons in the collector so at some magical/precise condition/moment they allign and a burst of DC results - see Dave "X" scope pic. Thanks Dave and Turbo for the inspiration.
Quote from: ronotte on December 05, 2006, 02:15:01 PM
Hi to all,
I'm shure that many of us are thinking about coils geometry & interconnections. If it may help here is my first tentative solution I would try to start with.
@Dave
Am I right on this design?....may I proceed?
Thank you very much for any help you could supply.
@Ronotte,
many thanks for the diagramm...
Maybe Dave and Turbo can confirm,
that they just put the 3 collector coils just in series ?
Is this right Dave ?
Ronotte,you did forget the 22nd coil, the one which is
wound around all 3 toroids alltogether...
Dave where is that final coil connected to ?
Is that the feedback coil ?
@Dean,
please calm down...
If you will find the solution first,
you will be going to make history...
so as long as Dave or Marco do not tell
anyone, how it exactly works, you still have the chance
to be remembered by history, so the first one,
who comes out with a full disclore will surely
be remembered by history...
The others will be forgotten probably...
So the race is on !;) ;D
All I can say is WOW. Dave sure has a lot of patience. I didn't bother counting how many times he said "don't worry about the coils" and "mixing 3 frequencies" but maybe it needs to be mentioned here a few more times. We have already seen pictures of the coils and how they are set up. Now we need to do a little homework and build some coils, hook them up in different combinations, and mix in some frequencies. Hopefully we will then see what Dave is talking about. After this point, we can then start to worry about how to wind the coils properly to hopefully be self resonant. Personally, I feel that the coils should be wound to certain resonant frequencies of a magnetic field. But until I do my own experimenting my comment is probably a little premature.
Before anyone posts anymore question to Dave, I strongly recommend going back in this thread and read all of his posts. It seems that he is not sure exactly how and why this device is doing what it is doing. It is impossible for him to answer some of the questions that are coming his way. Maybe one of us will come up with a combination that Dave never tried. He has fed us with more information in the last couple of weeks than we have seen in what, 20 years?
Let's get building people!
In the meantime, I would appreciate any additional information that Dave can give.
Thanx again Dave.
Tim
Quote from: AhuraMazda on December 05, 2006, 02:21:05 PM
Stefan,
Thanks for clarifying the coils issue. I also think your idea in your second drawing is good. But, are you proposing 2 different approaches or are you suggesting these coils will be placed on top of one another? The reason for my cofusion is that you have output coil in both drawings.
Grus
AM
Hi AM,
these are 2 different methods...
The first drawing was just the test method, what Dave told us:
1. Just One collector output coil wrapped with 3 coils to test the 3 different frequencies
mixes to see this strange DC pulse superposition.
The second drawing was my idea, how these fields repell, if you use
3 x 2 partial coils as Dave has done in his TPUs...
I don?t know, if he has connected them in this repelling way,
so that the flux goes out into the center and rotates there,
but this I could imagine could be the principle to rotate the compass
inside the center...
Also this would give induction inside the last 22nd coil, which is
wound around the whole stack !
Hope this helps to understand my ideas..
Regards, Stefan.
@MrMag,
I am thinking you are correct in your comment regarding "tuned" coils. I also think ...er X is correct in the 3 frequencies also. taking these points into consideration then if the coils are tuned to naturally resonate at a certain frequency or harmonic there of we should see increased power generation.
I was thinking the tuned coil direction for several months and have been checking the inductance of the coils I wind. My latest TPU v4 will get the same treatment. Checking the inductance and calculating the natural resonance, then sweeping the coils to see where they sit at in terms of resonance.
I also check the inter coil capacitance. I'd suggest all do the same when making your TPU's and record this info so you can share this info and document the correct coil configuration and recreate the environment when you hit the magic frequencies and the TPU sings.
Stefan,
Challenge accepted, will post when I have some substantiable results, I will refrain from posting what does not work and any guesstimates. Might do well for others to do the same instead of creating misleading and unsubstantiable threads. Maybe this thread should be moved into a more appropriate section .. like
"good ideas that have yet to achieve any repeatable results"
or maybe
"scams that went south with their unapoligetic instigators"
nuf said ..
I wont disturb this section of the forum anymore .. you have my word.
And should I be successful in creating overunity or free energy .. I will create a thread with the appropriate information and title that will not degrade the value of all other posters such as this has.
Regards,
Dean McGowan
I had forgot to mention, when you wind your coils and if you check the collector with your scope before you put your control coils on them, you will see no signal, however after applying your control coils, and they are not connected to anything, scope the collector again, you will/might be surprised.
note: the scope voltage setting will need to be set to the highest sensitivity.
starcruiser,
Won't the coils create a small impedence bump on the collector?
Varying winding spacing will vary the capacitance and can create a huge impedence.
Well --- I've been lurking and studying the thread. I'm fairly familiar with radiant energy etc. and I can see how this could work. From the beginning I always thought it was a heterodyne thing. Three's the charm in your frequencies because that triad (chord) splashes out into all sorts of subharmonics which probably interact at some subatomic level with the collector coils. I can see it in my mind's eye.
Anyway, here's the burning question I have about the controller board. How do you get three frequencies out of the little chip that is on that board? It looks like a 555 timer. If not that then it must be some sort of three phase oscillator. If so, I would like the part number (please). Also, the oscillator chip must have three independent adjustments to make the chord.
If there is supposed to be three frequencies how can one do this with what looks to be a little 8 pin DIP IC? Two leads for power, then you have six leads left for everything else. Is it some sort of I2C chip that can be programmed serially? Are there other ICs on that board that I am not aware of, or does it work on some other principle?
My background is electronics and software engineering. I was thinking of building a micro-controlled three frequency oscillator board using a frequency locked loop system that could be hooked up to a PC through some software running under windows. The system would automatically took for the right combination by running through all of the permutations. It would have some sort of feedback from the collector coil that would trigger a capture of the particular frequency set, then move on. It would run all night if need be. It could also be set to one chord and then swepped up or down right into the mHz region. You could program it for musical chords and try it at different ranges. I'm thinking of Keeley here.
My sills are considerable in the area of electronics design and software programming. I have designed control systems to run turbines and switchgear in power plants. I've been looking for something that shows promise to work on in an area such as this. However, I'm not going to waist my time on something that never worked in the first place.
Too many secrets. Too many people not answering questions about what they've done. Not enough disclosure. This all seems to be contrary to the spirit of this forum.
I tell you this. If I build this research tool I'm not going to withhold its design or source code. But before I start applying my skills and time to this I want to see some schematics on the controller so I can have some confidence that people are being honest here (no offence to the builder... but time is also money, and it's my time and my money).
I'm not out to prove anything by posting this message. I'm not out to boast about my skills. I just want to know if my time will be well spent, in that we're all on the up-and-up and we're not jerking each other around for whatever reason.
Mike
@MRL
If you look back to page 12 reply #228, X posted a PDF file with the circuit diagram for the 3 frequency generator. It uses three IC's.
You might have the pictures mixed up. The picture that shows the small circuit board that I think you are talking about has a different coil setup (single stage). The one that we are discussing (I think) are the pictures that were supplied by X in the PDF file. He is using three separate coils connected together.
Tim
@mramos
I see where you are coming from. I think you would have better control if you could drive the frequencies with your PC. It would probably be a lot easier to keep track of what you've done also. I hope MRL can come up with something for us. What do you think MRL. Could we get a quantity discount from you? There is only a little under 4000 of us ;D ;D
Also, if anyone is interested, A while back I was looking into healing with frequencies. I found a website that has almost every frequency listed. I went there to check on the three frequencies that X had listed in his PDF. It was pretty amazing, the three frequencies he mentions fall vary close to ranges listed as "Magic Window" which are referenced to Beardon. I hope I don't get in trouble for listing the link but here it is. I left out the www so that it would not direct link. lunarsight.com/freq.htm
Right now today on Tom Beardens website, you don't have to go 1920s national security hidden Negitive resistor, you can check out this one: Carbon based.
I just found out Post no direct links?
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Last updated: 04/27/2004 13:51:41
There are many simple reasons why (near the base) doesn't light, the most simple, it's probably a reflector bulb. I don't like being called stupid or a liar.
The last place in Erie to get 1 percent componets closed. Trying to make things easy to replicate just got way harder. Now I got to order everything on line. Radio shack is still here but try to find anything better than 5% and you're screwed.
In the early 1950s there was a fight to get the resistor released to the public. I was a bit young then and can't remember if it was GE or Westinghouse that held the patent but, it was one of the 2. You can ask about this on keelynet if you're a member. Rex reasearch might have something on it somewhere too I don't know for sure about them, they have a lot archived and you gotta beg them to release their obsolete info. Well wasted TPU time back at it.
Hi All,
I believe X is on the ball with 3 frequencies, also I believe that SM's open TPU 90volt version uses this method. I'll go back to Lindsays post with SM, about the exploding or imploding TV set that killed that kid many years ago, do you think that the toroid in that was wound in any special way, something was obviously flawed that made this thing pick up freq and then build up that much power, that it became a form of magnetic blackhole generator.
Anyway let me get back to open tpu, there are winding over a larger coil, but get this the finer coil only is wound on 3 of the 4 segments.
So whats this telling me, that each section is fed a different frequency, thats what ill be working on once i finish my first one.
want to see my work so far goto yahoo:-
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/markdevice/,
youll need to become members to view the photos, maybe stefan can throw them on this site, and i can update here as well, im not sure how to do it.
Mrd ... :D
Oh again I'll support X on this one, and the conclusion I came up with, look at all SM's devices, they are different, so it is not critical about the way the coils are done, its more critical how we feed these frequencies and what we get out. I like the 90volt version because it looks simplistic in nature to build, and it was easy to build.
Took me no time to do it, the tips are on yahoo if you want to check the photos.
Cheers All,
Dom
Hey, there is lot of action here now! This is good as we have to join all our forces
in order to obtain results. The more the best!
@Harti
Yes you are right. But there is a reason why I have not yet included the outer collector coil in my design (inspired from Mr. X..... sincerely thank you again Mr X).
We have to think that SM showed us that TPU has indeed some mechanism for self
mantaining the operation (in other word we have to disconnect the 3 frequencies generators)......this imply that SM has set-up a positive feedback path.
A feedbak from where? Certainly coming just from the outer coil (which does collect everything), going to?......well this is still not clear to me. May be that I have to
feed back only a part of the output signal to be put in series with control coils?
Please think about it.
At this stage I feel to confirm that dimensions, number of turns, etc are not important.
So just start to wind and try to optimize the kick creation process which of course is still
largely unknown.
Regards to all
ronotte
Quote from: ronotte on December 06, 2006, 03:13:37 AM
@pese
Sorry you are right....striving for the time I've not checked completely the drawing!
Really there are few errors. Soon I will post a correct one.
Ciao
ronotte
I hope that the following google translation is to understand better do engl. folks - AS thetranslation that i read from english to German :-).
If not so , some other"me unknow" translations will be better ? Try it if that need.
Hallo Ronotte ,
passe auf dass du dir nicht zuviel arbeit mit einer neuen zeichnung machst. umso komplizierter diese aussieht, umso mehr fehler kannst du einbauen UND umsomehr fehler wird DER machen der das nachbauen will. Das Zeichnen eine Toroid Ringes gen?gt wenn ma 2 weiter andeutet und beschreibt , ass diese geanu parallel zu jeder spule des ersten Ringes angeschlossen ist. Weiter muss man wissen , dass jede der 3 Farben eine Spule genau gegen?ber hat die genauso parallel angeschlossen ist.(Oder bei Dir andersherum?) Alle Wicklungseing?nge der Steuerung F1 Fe F3 erfolgen im Uhrzeigersinn und die Ausg?nge auf der anderen Seite der Spule ( im Uhrzeigersinn) Ferner muss mann beim Nachbauen wissen , dass nicht nur Windungszahl bei allen gleichsein muss , sondern noch wichtiger auch der Wicklungssinn (Drehrichtung des Drahtes). Alle Ausg?nge der Spulen sind mit (+ Battery) verbunden (?) . lle Eing?nge mit F1,2,3 Steuerspannungen die eine sqarewave Ansteuerung gebrauchen die "in diesem Falle" 3 verschiedene Frequenzen ben?tigt. Ich denke wenn Du die Scaltung so " Simpel " zeichnest und beschreibst, dass dan Fehler in Zeichnung und Nachbauten " minimiert" werden. -------------------- I found NOW out : Wenn ich die "Coler Spule " "Magnetsromapparat", auch anders zeichne , kann ich die komplizierten Wege der Anschl?sse zudnen noch 2 verschiedene Magnetpolspulen-arten geh?ren auch verstehen !! Der Anblick der Schaltung hat in ?blicher Darstellung mir nur 3 Jahre Kopfschmerzen verursacht und mich an einer Reconstruction gehindert . Wenn man dies "einfach" herauszeichnen kann, versteht man das System , bauch keine Schaltung oder Zeichnung und kann dies "aus dem Kopf heraus" nachzeichnen und nachbauen. Misserfolge , entstehen aus komplizierten Denken! Fehler an dem Versuch , kompliziert zu folgen! Erfolg ? Hinsetzen , nachzeichnen ! Solange dass dies jeweils einfacher wird und damit die "Grundidee" hervorkommt , die der Erfinder "m?glicherweise" zuerst im Kopf hatte, bevor die "Darstellung" kompliziert wurde.
------------------------------------------------------------
Hello Ronotte
fit yourself on that you not too much work with a new design makes. this looks the more complicated, all the more error you can insert AND errors for THAT will all the more make to that that to copy want. Drawing a Toroid of ring meets if mA 2 further suggest and, ate this describes geanu parallel to everyone reels first Rimges is attached. Further one must know that everyone of the 3 colors a coil has exactly opposite those is just as parallel attached. (Or with you differently?) All coil windings of the control F1 Fe F3 take place in the clockwise direction and the exits on the other side of the coil (in the clockwise direction) Furthermore man must know when copying that not only number of turns with all to be, but still more importantly also that must Sense of coil (direction of rotation of the wire). All exits of the coils are connected with (+ Battery) (?). lle entrances with F1,2,3 control voltages the one sqarewave control use ?in this case? 3 different frequencies needs. I think if you the Scaltung in such a way ?simpletons? draw and describe that dan errors in design and reproductions become ?minimized?. ------------------- I found NOW out: If I the ?Coler coil? MAGNETSTROMAPPARAT ?, also differently, know I draw the complicated ways of the connections zudnen still 2 different kinds of magnetic pole coil belong also understand!! The sight of the circuit has in usual representation for me only 3 years headache causes and me at one Reconstruction prevented. If one can draw this from ?simply?, one does not understand the system, belly circuit or design and this can ?by heart out? after-draw and copy. Failures, develop from complicated thinking! Error at the attempt, complicates to follow! Success? Put, after-draw! So long that this in each case and thus the ?philosophy? becomes simpler comes out, those the inventor ?possibly? first in the head had, before the ?representation? was complicated.
Think simpel , to find all simpel way?s.
G.P.
Ok, everyone.
Firstly the collectors can be connected in series for more voltage or parallel for more current. This matters not, it is not really critical, just depends on your own design. Although you could put them in series to get more voltage while its building up, then the controller can switch them in to parallel once the running level is found or something, dont worry too much, just put them in series for now.
@Dean, if you read Gn0sis.com you will see information there from SM via Mannix that says the tube models he used and the tube amp he used OF WHICH HE HAD 3. Because each was fed its own frequency and these were sent to the coils. Mixing three frequencys is the key and it comes from SM, not me. But you did your homework I guess as you have already tried all this and it didn't work, so I guess Lindsay is lieing about it aye?
Perhaps Lindsay will comment on this here, thats up to him.
I dont think you should go quiet until you find it, I think you should also post what doesnt work so that people will not have to do three times as much work.
But like I said, this info comes from SM, if people dont want to beleive this info, then you may as well throw away everything else that Lindsay has posted in the past too.
Perhaps you have some thoughts on this without putting me down, to talk properly? You clearly know what you are talking about, so I don't understand why we can't have a proper conversation rather than this tit for tat.
Regards,
Dave.
@pese
Unfortunately the german-english translation does not work.
I dont understand what you are telling me (is better you try to explain it in english using plain words! ... or italian if you know...unfortunately my german is only basic and not technically oriented). Anyway I've attached an amended schematic which I think will solve all your doubts. It is clear, following the applied logic, that I'm speaking of what I call: a parallel connected-simmetrical control coils and serially connected inner collector coils. Certainly this is just one of the many possibilities but....here we are just to find the best optimized solutions! I'm just corrently thinking about the outer collector coil connection and the rationale to follow for different arrangements...
Ciao
ronotte
Hi all,
In regards to the three frequencies, someone recently mentioned Keeley. I think I posted this early on at the beginning of this thread, that Keeley used three frequencies in his disintegrator.
The first was the fundamental (starting frequency, in our case natural self-resonance of the coil).
The second was a high harmonic of the fundamental. As I recall it was around the 10th or 11th harmonic.
The reason Keeley used this high harmonic was, it carried high energy. I was reading a book about Keeley that plotted the energy level ot the various harmonics. As the harmonics went up the energy dropped as expected. When you get up to around the 9,10 or 11th harmonic, it came back really strong.
Maybe one of the magic freqencies is the 10 or 11th harmonic of the Schuman resonance?
I don't know if, given the parameters of size, we could get our coils to resonate at 75 to 90 hertz?
The third frequency was the most inharmonic to cause disharmony or disintegration.
Didn't SM say to create the worst case scenario could lead to unexpected results?
I don't have it together to build anything yet, and I may not get it together, going to be 70 in a few days. But I would try to build three controller\collectors as close to each other as possible for self-resonance using trimmer caps. The first pulsed at the fundamental, the second finely turned to the 10 or 11th harmonic,
and the third slowly swept thru the range between the fundamental or a subharmonic (Schuman) and the high harmonic looking for the magic mix. At least this idea would fix two frequencies as we look for the magic combo.
Just some thoughts that, hopefully, might help.
Tishatang
Quote from: tishatang on December 06, 2006, 05:59:25 AM
The first was the fundamental (starting frequency, in our case natural self-resonance of the coil).
The second was a high harmonic of the fundamental. As I recall it was around the 10th or 11th harmonic.
;D
"He went on to discuss my technology in detail and reminded me of the destructive capability when the devices reach harmonic perfection. I told him that was a good analogy, or way of putting it."
So are we agreed that we need to first find the coils natural frequency?
AM
I would say that resonance is obviously a big part here, I recommend experimenting with 3 frequencys as what can be the resonance if we use 3 different ones? Perhaps the new beat frequency they produce should be the same as the resonance frequency.
This is the point at which talking stops and experimenting starts I think...
Regards,
D.
To all of the EE's here:
Might you be able to squeeze some sort of diode or FET double balanced mixer out of this coil configuration?
Quote from: Grumpy on December 05, 2006, 10:14:27 PM
starcruiser,
Won't the coils create a small impedence bump on the collector?
Varying winding spacing will vary the capacitance and can create a huge impedence.
@Grumpy,
They might if you swept them. I was talking about the appearence of a small ringing signal that shows up after the collector coil is covered with the control coils. It seems that the control coils pickup and excite the collector. This signal, when you see it, looks like (probably is) the collector ringing from a small induced signal.
Basically what I am saying is the TPU configuration allows self resonance, what we need to do is excite this further to get our power out and/or feed this signal back to reinforce the self oscillation.
This is shy I stated that we should record the inductance values of the coils as well as the inter-coil capacitance since these will definitely have an effect on the TPU's operation or at least its sweet spot.
Once we know these values we can balance the coils inductance. We could also adjust the inductance values for the 2nd and third collector stages to the harmonics we are looking for to generate the resoance and tap the power.
I agree with X that we should experiement with 3 oscillators and see what results we get.
I will be doing this as soon as I complete my last TPU, I haven't compelted it since I had run out of wire so I had to run out and get the additional wire I needed yesterday. Then of course my daughter had a xmas concert I went to so that provided another delay.
Anyhow I an looking forward to finishing the TPU tonight and building a couple of more oscillators to play with the hetrodyning effect in the TPU. I will share my results afterwards.
$#!+ !!!
I'm one FET short - no Schottky's in the drawer (DOH!) >:(
(edit - fixed typo)
Italian site mentioned that center of TPU looked like a diode bridge - got me thinking...mixer!
Like this (FET's shown):
A researcher does not spend all day exchanging Internet posts. A researcher spends most of their time in either deep thought or in the laboratory and *then* every so often exchanges the results of completed experiments and ideas. :) God bless you all!
Quote from: mramos on December 05, 2006, 11:58:23 PM
Quote from: MrMag on December 05, 2006, 11:41:42 PM
@mramos
I see where you are coming from. I think you would have better control if you could drive the frequencies with your PC. It would probably be a lot easier to keep track of what you've done also. I hope MRL can come up with something for us. What do you think MRL. Could we get a quantity discount from you? There is only a little under 4000 of us ;D ;D
I do not recall him (Mike) stating there was a price. ....
I am with him, waiting on something that looks real and just watching for now. If someone gets something that is close it will require better timing to keep it running, even if random timing. And someone to figure out why it is working. But right now. Nothing is working and a few are all over it trying. And I do hope they do.
I am not trying to make wave, just backing Mike up. "I" believe he is 100% correct, and I might be biased :)
----------------------
I was thinking about the design last night.
The unit would work on an RS485 network. You can get USB to RS485 boxes for about 45$ US. RS485 is very inexpensive (and robust) and you can string 32 nodes on one segment without having to use a repeater.
The system would use a PIC micro controller (worth about $9 US) and some sort of frequency synthesizer. The MAX 038 would be a good choice but Maxim does not recommend it for new designs due to it being manufactured by someone else and they are not working with that wafer process anymore (I've emailed Maxim about this).
The PIC micro controller counter timer would be set up as a frequency counter which would read the synthesizer's output frequency. It would then adjust and maintain the synth output via an inexpensive high res DAC. You could also control the duty cycle too. There would only be one synthesizer and controller per board. You would string more boards on the 485 buss network if you wanted more frequencies. For three frequencies you would used three boards. You could attach any drivers you want to the board output. Maybe the board would have prevision for soldering a driver IC and FET / IGBT to it for 1 ? 2 Amp square wave switching. The board could also have a frequency counter input on it for external measurements (TTL / CMOS level only). The board would measure about 2.5 x 2.5 inches or so. The cost would be about $150 US in QTY 1 (with Windows Software) and $100 QTY for 2 and about 70 each for three and up. I could cram other features on it as well such as a digitally controllable power supply as long is it didn't drive the cost up to an unattractive level
If people showed an interest in these lab tools I could also design other 485 network add-ons such as high speed power sequencers for pulsing coils. You would use Windows software to precisely program the sequencer frequencies, timing and duty cycle -- and possibly even the voltage output. These boards would be affordable.
Before I would go a head with the design I would have to see some major interest in it.
Prices subject to change with notice.
Mike
Quote from: mrl on December 06, 2006, 12:42:19 PM
The cost would be about $150 US in QTY 1 (with Windows Software) and $100 QTY for 2 and about 70 each for three and up.
Before I would go a head with the design I would have to see some major interest in it.
Prices subject to change with notice.
Mike
Mark me down for qty of three. ;D
Very nice, if I didn't know better I would think you are Dean!
Can I just say, I have no idea how Marcos device works.
Further, I don't remember saying anywhere that I had a free energy device. I am not claiming I have free energy, so I don't need to back up my claims or document anything.
You all seem to be assuming that I am claiming it and then calling for me to back up my claims, when I have not made any.
I have given you some information which is common place but you seem to have missed which came from SM, about three frequencys.
So, please stop making dumb remarks, there is nothing more coming from me, I do not have a free energy device and never said that I did! If I did, dont you think I would have posted it all over the internet with all the plans as soon as I could!
D.
Paul & Dean, I am sorry you feel this way. Seems its the other way round now, you not posting rather than me.
I can see the points you make and I am not going to put words in your mouth, rather others are putting them in mine.
I HAVE NEVER POSTED ANYWHERE that I had a free energy device. I am not claiming I have free energy, so I don't need to back up my claims or document anything or give anyone anything. I simply showed a video with a bulb lighting, I NEVER CLAIMED IT WAS FREE ENERGY OR THAT I HAD DISCOVERED THE SECRET, YOU ALL ASSUMED IT.
You all seem to be assuming that I am claiming it and then calling for me to back up my claims, when I have not made any.
I have given you real information, which came from SM, about three frequencys.
There is nothing more coming from me, I do not have a free energy device and never said that I did! If I did, don't you think I would have posted it all over the internet with all the plans as soon as I could!
There are some effects to be seen and we have the info from SM about how to start to produce them. Quite frankly I dont give shit what anyone thinks, I am not forcing anything down anyones throat or asking for anything.
You have the info from SM, take or leave it, makes no difference to me what you do.
Has anyone ever considered that there were reasons for certain things I have said, done or posted. No, I dont suppose so. Perhaps it would be better if instead I with draw from the forum, and let you and dean back, I dont want to take anything away from you and if my posts are not welcome, I have no problem in leaving or not posting anything further.
I have no hard feelings about anything that has been said or what you think about me. I am making an open and polite offer, you are clearly much more experienced than I, and I am perfectly happy to withdraw and leave you to carry on as you were before I re-appeared with my scraps. By the way, if this appears as if I am just rudly replying, I am not, just making a polite offer.
Regards,
D.
Quote from: ronotte on December 06, 2006, 05:52:13 AM
@pese
Unfortunately the german-english translation does not work.
I dont understand what you are telling me (is better you try to explain it in english using plain words! ..
Pese said,
it would be better to draw this thing up with a more "user friendly"
way, so that one can see each connection as one "is used to"...
But I agree, this is pretty complicated when 22 coils must be connected the right
way.
Maybe one should split the drawing into at least 3 parts, so
it is more obvious, how all the coils are interconnected...
Regards. Stefan.
Quote from: PaulLowrance on December 06, 2006, 11:35:17 AM
Stefan encourages free speech. I have just a few words for the few legitimate researchers, as this will be my last post at overunity.com until I post the "smoking gun." Unfortunately overunity.com will be the last site to receive such detailed build instructions-- I have my reasons based on high probability, and that's my final decision.
Dean McGowan and other legitimate researchers,
Quote from: dean_mcgowanI wont disturb this section of the forum anymore
Don't let this group get to you. It is obvious (transparent) that you Dean were trying to help. Just smile and don't waste any more of your valuable time and energy on people who do not want to be helped. They see anything that contradicts their desires as negativity, or at least that is what they want people to feel.
Personally I am absolutely shocked what is happening here. It is sad to see how easily a group can dominate a forum knowing full well most people are followers. They know most people will follow the mass majority. They know how easy it is to sway such followers in nearly any direction they so desire ... and you people truly wonder why global "free energy" never makes it to the public.
Legitimate truth seekers who are sincere at heart do indeed make a lot of noise. They do not post small bits, dangle carrots in front of you because they are supposedly upset, etc. A review of history clearly shows the opposite-- Gandhi, Buddha, Jesus Christ, Martin Luther King, JFK (John F. Kennedy), Confucius, Picasso, Mozart, Wright Brothers, Walt Disney, Thomas Edison, Galileo, Isaac Newton, William Shakespeare, and last but not least Nikola Tesla to name a few. The point has nothing to do if such people were positive or negative, but they meant well, were legitimate sincere truth seekers that made a lot of noise. Sorry, I can no longer waste any more time here.
Hopefully no person will reply to this, but just think about it. Those who reply will surely warp and destroy my words, put words in my mouth.
Best wishes to all legitimate researchers,
Paul Lowrance
p.s., A true researcher does not spend all day exchanging Internet posts. A true researcher spends most of their time in either deep thought or in the laboratory and *then* every so often exchanges the results of completed experiments and ideas. :) God bless you all!
Look '' I AM'' (YHWY), Gave this technology through The so called Inventors(The ideas,designs, Look Everything is provoked by this first wave of Creation and that is ''I AM'' and these signals are from ''I AM''), this has stirred me up, and Invisible ''I AM'' There knows don't you, i have seen you, and you King, as Predicted in your Bible ''I AM'' yes By divine intervention the world will fall apart and no flesh will be saved.
Although i can not share my fricken Memory with you,and graven images are illegal under '' I AMS'' Law, although he is furious with me and more so with the extremely evil lot.
All our thoughts are provoked by this first creation wave, (but we are spiritual criminals, not arriveing in our proper time, which means we waste and end up feeling more self defeated.)
And '' i am'' knows that i have been saying to him, is that fun conducting 2 stroke engine?
And theres crack pot Lucifer,telling you something else, hey guess what Lucifer, i had seen that key dumbass.
Anyways Thanks X,for what you have Shared.
i am at bournemouth,dorset,england(south coast, 2 hr drive to london roughly)
X, can U tell me, that the interference of this 3 freqs gives rotation of magnetic field?
And one else. Is this device closely related with earth resonance(very low frequencies)?
Here is an email and a few photos I received from Alex:
Hi Stefan Hartmann,
I'm a member on your overunity.com forum but is not
familiar with the forum interface yet so I don't know
how to post. :-)
I have been reading about the TPU stuff discussion and
attached to this mail is my attempt to replicate the
devise. I'm currently in the "construction" mode, so
no scope shoot or result yet. Waiting for PCBs and
parts will take a couple of weeks.
My design is by using three 555 as oscillators. All
three osc. is tunable from 10 kHz to approx. 300 kHz.
I use some current restricting resistors in series
with the HEXFET driver to keep the current usage down.
My coil has two center windings and three osc.
windings over the center windings.
Just wanted to let you know.
PS: You may post this information and this mail on the
forum if you like.
Regards,
Alex.
Quote from: hartiberlin on December 06, 2006, 03:03:40 PM
Quote from: ronotte on December 06, 2006, 05:52:13 AM
@pese
Unfortunately the german-english translation does not work.
I dont understand what you are telling me (is better you try to explain it in english using plain words! ..
Pese said,
it would be better to draw this thing up with a more "user friendly"
way, so that one can see each connection as one "is used to"...
But I agree, this is pretty complicated when 22 coils must be connected the right
way.
Maybe one should split the drawing into at least 3 parts, so
it is more obvious, how all the coils are interconnected...
Regards. Stefan.
Its simpel , if 3 toroid are same and was connecten paralell (by ronotte)
then its need not to let see (exactly all 22)
The 7 in one toroid is enough. even if 3 or more are parallel conected to have more current,
Also on this 7 coil toroid 3 pcs are 2 time same paralec conected ,
if this is designe "nice" in scematic . the peogle recognized that with "ONE" eye !!.
Also its need some REMARKS for the sens of windings an direction ( clock or anticlock-wise . i seen over many years the faults an problems , because
scematics give smal or often not clear information.
It take time to look to "do it your self" construction if tehere will not work !!!
Well i said to ''I AM'' The person who,sent this technology, what are those 3 frequencies, because '' I AM'' can speak all lauguages out loud,and i will be able to understand 3 simple frequencies numbers, but if it said that out loud to you, then .... there are reasons,why it does not say out loud, because we think we are human which could be one,however Lucifers voice went louder,but he knows this stuff won't be sold,by divine intervention.
If ''I AM'' says anything out loud about 3 frequencies,and if you are not lieing since '' I AM'',knows all things,even '' I AM'' By x etc,then well its up to Gabriel and other Arch Angel's etc , up in heaven(Real universe Goverment) .
daniel,
Please tell us why the 3 frequencies are not spoken of.
One more thing, YHWH is ALL things - that includes good and evil, for He created ALL and is ALL.
well i am not lieing,
''I AM'' Does exist, and he is every where (People like you and i Beings of Light) , but a Different sovereignty,
'' I AM'' Said to me when i watched the news,Out Loud IN english,
''The Hour'' which means the 2nd woe of the 3 woes, 3 means all completely.
''I AM'' BY you knows these 3 magic freqency numbers,as '' I AM'' Is who sent this technology through the so called inventors, and ''TELSA'' Is one of them, and Viktor as well,
what i just said, is in my memory and '' I AM'' knows That don't you :-D.
anyways Christ the 2nd's website is jahtruth.co.uk, sigh if only i could share my memory, ive seen what most people have not seen(In a Human Body), and i can understand why you would think of this as rubbish or doubt it, but if ''I AM'' says anything then,hopefully by divine intervention i will post them..
And x and turbo, '' I AM'' Invisible to your eye knows how this technology works,and how to get it overunity,yea even knows the magic 3 frequencys.
Anyways keep looking for those magic 3......,because people like Telsa have concealed such , as '' I AM'' has that in his record.
Other reasons why '' I AM'' Does not speak out loud is because its 'alot' to take in,in a way of 'am i really human' is one explanation.
I'll settle for just knowing "how" the 3 frequencies make it work.
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Overunity does Exist, as well as Under unity(under unity blocks the recycle process),from what i have seen it does confirm and these govements who are just interested at their game of, who get the most pennys where, if we actually all had our equal share we would be Millionaires in terms of material wealth.
http://100777.com/spiritual/beings_having_a_physical_experience
(Read that ^ the whole universe is based on over-unity.)
Just for Daniel:
18 27
36 54
72 108
144 216
288 432
576 864
hi all,
I've found something interesting in the italian site, probably concerning about energy convertions / usefull for understanding Steven Mark apparatus. Look at this: http://energierinnovabili.forumcommunity.net/?t=4075190
anyone could translate?
Quote from: Grumpy on December 06, 2006, 06:59:13 PM
Just for Daniel:
18 27
36 54
72 108
144 216
288 432
576 864
I do not Fully understand this stuff(I AM Does and others here have a understanding,which is a reason why he gave this technology through people like telsa, and people Bashing him with things like how can that go through a wire?), but thanks,but ''I AM'' who is in a free state, can see all these frequencies what people here are talking about.
On the italian thread link you posted, i used this,http://ets.freetranslation.com/
and came with,
Safe to all, it have ever thought about how much energy extracts from the fall of a serious one of difference? The idea of base consists in the to place a device (likely piezoelettrico) to the base of the cup of the water cosicch? to every evacuation, would have been had an I recover of energy equal to L = mgh where m is the mass of the serious one of brown color, g the acceleration of seriousness and h the height of our back from the fund of the water.
A possible enhancement in the energy production would consist in the increase the height of the water, even if dotandolo of staircase to all snail around the cup. It could be thought also of to eat of more to obtain unloaded more consinstenti, provided of considerable mass, always without to exaggerate to avoid effects relativistici type you pierce black ecc..
I have not intention of to sell some drawing or I project some prototype, although the name you resemble a little to the Project Forces Greater... but did not say that is except for valid... that tell of it?
Quote from: Grumpy on December 06, 2006, 06:10:50 PM
daniel,
Please tell us why the 3 frequencies are not spoken of.
One more thing, YHWH is ALL things - that includes good and evil, for He created ALL and is ALL.
as for this '' I AM'' Is overunity and Satan is Under unity, put that way /or put it this way, Christ is not Satan and nor Satan is Christ,but ''I AM'' Conducts, not the Virus.
Yes i can tell you why the magic 3 is not Spoken of, and thats to prevent people to use this technology them selfs(and Greed but overunity stops this buying electric), where as, we are wearing bodys,and when the body dies, the soul(real you is released)and can not take what you got Materially, and theres me thinking, i just want to mess around with overunity till this body i am wearing dies,
So to prove this point, as you read this,is recorded in your life review and be shown,to you when your body dies, but by then when ever you get your life review,well..heh....you get shown this and other things in your bodys life time,but your body has to die to prove this,whenever it does.
But it does stir me up,when goverment's play there stupid game of stealing legaly under their own illegal laws(In ruler of universes eyes) and suppressing the fun and when there body dies and no its more likely they will have the no life and no death experiance and not take that material stuff that they sold there souls for,if we had our share equally we would be millionaires, i put that point there(instead of trucks we would be farmers, and thats how you would live,instead of polluting the earth)
As you can see if i had overunity technology the Facts would just spill right out of me.
Hi lltfdaniel1
I don't know what you are talking about. You make here to be church. The church here is no market, save you time.
Sorry X .. I would so love to be able to compose at such a high standard, however i can but doff my fedora to this one and admire the handiwork.
PS .. don't give up, I too, really do believe in magic.
Please continue, I can't wait to see how it ends!
just seems out of place.
Yes, please let?s concentrate onto the technical things.
About Religion can be discussed in other forums please.
Has anyone yet have seen also these strange DC spikes
which Dave reported ?
Thanks.
That's no religion i've ever heard of, he's eaten some moldy rye bread or something. Forgotten his meds perhaps.
Whoo , I spend a few days at the bench and people are leaving, I'm going back to the bench (I don't want to know)
Ok, I'm bi-fieler now.
Just thought I'd ask if the noise generated rotating past the end of the collector core could cause?
I'll leave the question before I finish it.
Nice writing you guys. I like dean also have to tip my hat, even though I prefer to just let this stuff die. Quite skilled with the quill I must say.
BTW, dean, sorry to offend you last time with my relativistic ramblings.
I do know the difference between mass and matter, by the way.
@ hartiberlin
Stefan
diese Schaltung K?NNTE kleine Probleme machen , wenn die Arbeitsfrequenz ?ber 50 Hz liegt ! (Das ist die ja wohl mit
Sicherheit. )
Die Dioden-br?cke , muss aus Einzeldioden f?r hohe Frequenzen bestehen. (fast recovery, fast switching) nehme die aus Computer-
Netzteil oder TV Horizontal-Stufen -= 16khz-)
Nur unter der Beachtung kann sich eine Gleichspannung zum
Betrieb der Elektronik aufbauen.
(F?r die El-Caps gen?gen kleinere Werte und m?glicht Induktionsfreie
Typen verwenden. (Tantal) Folie - Block- usw.
Die "output" Seite ist Wechselspannung ! Welche Frequenz?
Mischung? Ganz gleich ! Es ergibt Probleme bei Betrieb ab
Nicht-ohmiger Last !! (Gl?hlampe . Heizer ist OK! )
?ndert den Ausgang zu Gleichspannung ! Schnelle Dioden.
Die meisten elektronischen Ger?te (heutzutage) arbeiten mit
Scatznetzteilen !! (Computer , TV Monitore Drucker. das heisst
Alles was keinen "eisen"-Transformator drin hat.
Diese Ger?te arbeiten (nach einer Dioden-br?cke) mit GLEICH-
Spannung !! 250-350 Volt oder 120 - 180 Volt = Euroa / USA.
Die dort verwendeten Gleichrichter sind f?r 50 / 60 Hz gebaut
und arbeiten bei h?heren Frequenzen nicht ! (= short) 1
Man kann alle diese Ger?te jedoch mit Gleichstrom betreiben !!
?ber die eingebaute Br?cke !! Es bedarf ker Ver?nderung !!
Auch normale Inverter 12V > 220 Volt ist es unsinnig diese erst auf 50Hz
zu setzen um dann Wechselsrom 220V zu erzeugen , sodamm in den
Ger?ter ( Verbrauchern wieder gleichzurichten und erneut zu
Wechselstrom h?herer Frequenz dort zu wandeln um dort
in Transformatoren Kupfer und Eisen einzusparen)
Dort Gleichstrom zu verwenden ist der einfache Weg !
(Elektrisches Ptoblem: , nur bei Betriebsschalter , diese sind f?r AC ausgelegt. Beachten Sie dies unbedingt! ).
Ich habe noch Gedanken zu: 31 , 44 166 khz !
33,2 44 166 w?rden besser harmonieren !? aber vielleicht bildet sich eine 2,2 Khz Frequenz als Mischung ? Man wird es ja wohl finden,
wenn nun Experimente damit gestartet werden.
I need an good translation by message or mail , i will "add" them .
Pese
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Quote from: Grumpy on December 06, 2006, 06:59:13 PM
Just for Daniel:
27 - lowest A note on a piano (27.5Hz)
54 - first harmonic
108 - second harmonic
216 - ...
432 - ... (A4 = 440Hz)
864 - ...
Sorry I know it wasn't for me to analyse but I'm fun like that...
BTW I think lltD is ranting about profit YahWay I don't think thats how
its spelled but thats how its pronounced. Very cult-ish. UFO's and shit.
I think there spelled differently arent they?
@pese
this time is much better, please try to continue writing directly.
About my diagram it depict just one possible interconnection. the idea i'm following is to take outside of the TPU all the wires and set them in a suitable way in order to be able to make externally various interconnections tests. By the way all the coils in this version are wounded CW.
Are you winding a similar unit? I think I will start it on saturday.
Hi to all
ronotte
thats a great idea ronotte...
like a patchbay!
Is this tale to be a parable of who might yet have the biggest and best E.G.O on display and have we lost our way a little my friends. I am feeling humble ...
@ ronotte
yes this only and best way , that you nostdesroy or loss the brain
with all faults and problems thatca be found (other way?s)
that is what i think : to look simplest way , to save faults time and work.
think about that :
take an old coil from transformer (perhaps 220 or 110 volt primary coil - without the iron core -
that take computerflat-band-cables.
split them at 3 wire (or 6 wires - 6 for mor amperage in input)
( 10, 20 , 50 meters? ) Ind wind this circular in- out- side this
bobine that will be the outputring.
So , this way it is to safe an lot of work , that itis need in the
experimt phases of depeloping new circuits , coils , winding-datas enz. this way you can very easy change windingsnumbers
(in parallel !! alltogethe) from your primairy /3 wire) input , and so on.
pese
Does anyone have a triple function generator circuit using the TL494 chip. That's the only one available in my part of the world.
Thanks
take 3 of them !
555 are only low costl!
P.
@Stefan Hartmann
Can you please ask Alex re: post #437, if he can maybe post his PCB foil pattern and a component list, if it is ok with him.
Has he built and tested the circuit ? ? ? ? ?
This unit I think we can start of with. Whilst others are still thinking on designs.
Listen guys, it might take 1 person 4 hours or even 20 hours or more, to design a decent frequency controller (probably with feedback and logging capabilities) to experiment with on the coils. Ever though if ?200 guys built their coils and try to experiment with a low-end frequency controllers that is just not efficient enough. And these ? 200 guys spend ?20 hours on their coils before they give up it is a total of ? 4000 hours waited, opposed to time taken to design something decent by the guys that know how.
Yes, get to best possible frequency controller going/designed (please make it user-friendly), and limit even this variable to a lesser degree. It will just help making it better, achieving the end result quicker.
Yes, heck, I think a lot of us is for it ! ! ! !
VIRUS
@ the experienced guys, your advice please.
FOR EXAMPLE: for the guys that donââ,¬â,,¢t have a scope.
Using 3 of these frequency generators http://www.electronics-lab.com/projects/test/009/index.html (http://www.electronics-lab.com/projects/test/009/index.html), connecting a frequency counter on the out put on each, and then into the coil(s), . . . (see attached zip), and pulse the coils
How would one detect when you hit the jackpot on the output coil, low voltage light bulb (will probably blow, . . .good have a box full), neon light, strobe light, an arc between two nails, maybe 1 of each of the options, ? ? ? ? ? ?
One can then just note down the frequencies used from the frequency counters, and post.
Come on guys help us newbieââ,¬â,,¢s here.
Virus
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frequency generator and counternot necessary !
take your sound card . find software to generate (nearly) any frequency.
condtruct your device AND adhust this needed frequencies witg the
soundcard .
why ?
If 2 different producrd frequencies are the same , the difference (also harmonics) between them go to ZERO.
AVC Meter , or Speaker , bulb any simple and cheap instruments are to use , to do this job.
Think simpel abot this small problems.
Pese
My advice is you should not attempt this project unless you have a scope. Even a basic scope gets you out of a lot of holes. I am sorry if this might sound brutal.
Also I recommend both kinds of multi-meters analogue and digital.
Regards
AM
??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ???
It seems Steven Mark?s TPU uses "DC power supply" (battery?) and "RF power supply" - seems like he uses a battery to start his generator.
His patent:
http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO1&Sect2=HITOFF&d=PALL&p=1&u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsrchnum.htm&r=1&f=G&l=50&s1=6015476.PN.&OS=PN/6015476&RS=PN/6015476
"An RF power supply 24 is connected to the cathode electrode 22 through a series coupling capacitor 26. The RF power supply provides an RF voltage between the cathode electrode and the grounded anode electrode 18 which excites the gases within the chamber into a plasma state. The plasma body has a time-average positive DC potential or voltage relative to the cathode or anode electrodes which accelerates ionized process gas constituents to bombard the cathode and anode electrodes.
Magnetic enhancement of the plasma most commonly is implemented by a DC magnetic field in the region between the cathode and anode electrodes. The direction of the magnetic field is transverse to the longitudinal axis of the chamber, i.e., transverse to the axis extending between the cathode and anode electrodes. Various arrangements of permanent magnets or electromagnets are conventionally used to provide such a transverse magnetic field. One such arrangement is the pair of coils 30 shown in FIG. 1A, disposed on opposite sides of the cylindrical chamber side wall 12. The two coils 30 are connected in series and in phase to a DC power supply, not shown, so that they produce transverse magnetic fields which are additive in the region between the two coils. This transverse magnetic field is represented in FIGS. 1A and 1B by the vector B oriented along the negative x-axis. In the preferred embodiment, the diameter of each coil approximately equals the spacing between the two coils. (The second pair of coils 32 shown in FIG. 1B will be discussed later, but may be ignored for purposes of the present discussion.) An example of such a magnetically enhanced plasma etch chamber is described in commonly assigned U.S. Pat. No. 5,215,619 issued Jun. 1, 1993 to Cheng et al., the disclosure of which is hereby incorporated into the present patent specification."
@pese
this is the software i use, i have it installed on 2 machines, one for generating the frequencys
and one for looking at the coil output using the scope. its not bad but it does let me see whats
going on.
http://www.sillanumsoft.com/
attached piccies, coil being fed with 216 - 432 - 864 hz.
derek.
Hi Derek,
nice results.
Could you please post,
how you connected your 6 control coils together ?
Is every coil pair (e.g. 1/1 and 1/2 ,2/1 and 2/2, 3/1 and 3/2) in parallel and each pair driven with a square or sine wave ?
Many thanks.
Stefan
coils connected as per ronotte's diagram, fed with squarewave.
i've got more wire on the way so i can get the other two layers
meshed together.
derek.
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Guys
This looks like something that can be adapted to work with serial feedback etc.
http://elm-chan.org/works/uctr/report.html (http://elm-chan.org/works/uctr/report.html)
Virus
Quote from: Groundloop on December 07, 2006, 05:29:06 AM
@Virus,
I will post the Eagle 4.1 design files on my web site for download. I will also post a black and white PCB drawing for those that prefeer to make their own PCBs. I have NOT tested this circuit yet, still waiting for parts in the snail-mail.
My web site is here: http://home.no/ufoufoufoufo/
I will upload the files this afternoon (in 6 hours time.)
Regards,
Alex.
Alex
Thanks a million. ;D :D ;)
Virus,
now I can test drive my new scope.
@twosocs
u have right , if you will see the mix from all 3 frequeny together , than scope is unless.
BUT (low budget or no costly)
if you will construct 3 seperatly generator /with NE555 TL494)
you can each-one "SINGEL" bring to the "right" frequency , if vou comaore that frequency with an preselcted frequen< (like 44khz) - made wuth soundcard with ton-generator-software.
NOW you can compare (any CW SSB radio amateur know that)
vie (in German Schwebungsummer) Google Transalation say :
"float-hum-floating float-hum-humming who " possible: Nonsens.
BUT if you take the differenz from both signal differenz Amp. or direchty to an Cristal- or Normal Speaker (Also analog AC Voltmeter)
you can find if the to frequencies have the same 44Khz.
( Example ; One Osz is 40 Kht , the other 44 Kht - THAN you
can heare (4Khz) differncy signal , soyoucan adjust to ZERO Hertz very easy , IF .. both frequencies are same !!
Using instead AC Voltmeter... say : some Voltage if differten frequncies ANDr ZERO Voltage if compare.
So you can produce 3 Exacly frequencues WITHOUT Scope
and without Frequency Meter !!! (only our Computer Sound Software it needs).
@ all
think about this: IF you will build this item to Audio frequencies.
(40 to 20000 Hz) , than it can be possibel ,that isnt working w?thout
iron cores ....-try it-!
1 month ago some Patent was schown in Forum,with core - holes in it that hold the inner coil windings. AND driver coils outside . evenually you can try an construction that adapt this ,
to the 3 frequency "idea" device .
Pese
I hope this help , even if my english is very unpolished ... :-)
I just want to say. What a waste. All these inventors with something that turns to nothing in the end.
How naive do you have to be to think you can make money off of something like the TPU. You can't! It's just not how this World works. And instead of making their name immortal, in a few years they will be forgotten and no one will know their name. Tesla had the answers, but like many after him he never revealed them, setting World progress back a whole century.
Hmn, I wonder what happened to Steven's TPU? Is he making any money off of it? Is he mass producing it? No. About half of his invention's patent life is gone and what, about 5 people have seen the device. Put it on your shelf and marvel at it. How pathetic.
This is like trying to patent air, or water. It's for all to use! No one should patent something like that.
There will be no glory to a "selfish" inventor, only a selfless one that gives it to the whole World will be remembered and his name will be synonymous with Prometheus.
PS And Turbo, I'm sorry but you are not much different. The idea is to share the progress so that people will not have to repeat your mistakes and waste time on something that you already have managed to achieve, but to continue on and work on something that hasn't been accomplished.
I also ask myself, what are they waiting for ? Do they want to show it as a Christmas present ???
Do you people read anything I post. I DO NOT HAVE A FREE ENERGY DEVICE THAT WORKS YET.
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@Groundloop
Thanks for the info and all the feed back. 3
I was merely trying to help and get more people to start building coils, and with a means of generating and testing their results. With this info, I think it is possible that the more people build coils the quicker results can be posted.
Re: The RPM counter mod, the circuit look simple enough, one can build it, take the pic and the code to any electronics repair shop and I think they will be glade to program the pic (maybe for a small fee). Itââ,¬â,,¢s maybe a good idea to do the mod and post it.
On my side I was just looking for a decent generator, which I now got from you, (need to test it), a Scope I got last week, so now lets play !
Virus
Quote from: mramos on December 05, 2006, 11:10:24 PM
mrl/Mike.
100% in agreement. So tired of seeing 555 timers. They will never get OU with that. :)
What uC brands are you using currently?
My fave uC so far is the PIC controller. I have a C compiler for it. pluss I use the Borland C++ Builder compiler for Windows.
Quote from: MrMag on December 05, 2006, 11:09:19 PM
@MRL
If you look back to page 12 reply #228, X posted a PDF file with the circuit diagram for the 3 frequency generator. It uses three IC's.
You might have the pictures mixed up. The picture that shows the small circuit board that I think you are talking about has a different coil setup (single stage). The one that we are discussing (I think) are the pictures that were supplied by X in the PDF file. He is using three separate coils connected together.
Tim
Ok --- if this is the case, then I apologized for the insinuations, however remote, and misunderstandings.
This thread is somewhat difficult to follow sometimes.
Quote from: mramos on December 05, 2006, 11:10:24 PM
mrl/Mike.
100% in agreement. So tired of seeing 555 timers. They will never get OU with that. :)
What uC brands are you using currently?
I'm not saying that you cannot build a circuit that will get OU from a 555. A 555 can be rigged as an oscillator and if that's what you need to do the job then so be it. I was only saying that, if that is a 555, then there's no way you can get three independent frequencies out of it. However, it seems that this thread is not about the device in that video. It's about the one in then ?TPUv4_tests1.pdf? file that was posted earlier.
http://www.moonaudio.com/softwar5.htm
great program here called "audio test bench"
has a oscilloscope, spectrum analyzer, tone generator, frequency plotter.
maybe will be of some help.
OU nub here.
Just some questions for the researchers doing a ronotte type configuration with a single collector. I'd like to verify what it is you're doing.
Just so we're on the same page, correct me if I'm wrong: this is the configuration with one big loop of thick wire called a collector, with 6 individual coils wrapped around the big loop, all with the same winding direction, with rotational symmetry about the collector center, and parallel connections between coils on opposite sides, such that magnetic flux directions around the collector of each coil in a pair oppose each other. Then drive each pair of coils at a different frequency, so there are 3 'magic?' frequencies. Output terminals are the ends of collector wires.
Question #1. Some of you are using PC sound card signal generator software. But, referring to this ronotte/twosox configuration, if you need to drive 3 coils separately with different signals, how does this work? Stereo channels, Alpha(left) and Beta(right), (obviously sharing ground) for two of them would work; what about the 3rd coil?
Question #2. You are using some mosfet or transistor or something controlled by the signal generator to power the coils, right? What (max or avg) voltage, or current, are you using as your source? (9v sounds too high...melting insulation or killing battery with low impedance coils and 'high' current...)
Question #3. The collector is just a thick copper wire? (or iron i read?) AWG 10 or so?
think you will need a multichannel soundcard. or you could burn one channel to a cd i suppose.
All:
I have tried to use the sound card gens and although it works sort of, I do get a lot of junk on the lines as well from the computer.
Three 555's driving fets will give you a lot better signal quality. That is what I will be going with for now.
The pc scope and spectral analyzers do work fairly well tho.
sugra
sugra..
sure i suspect using digital osc is not a great idea.
i think analog osc will be what you need.
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something to look at
???
i dont know!
i would just suspect that.
;)
a digitally created waveform is not the same as an analog one.
and we are looking for "natural" phenomenon.
its just my gut feeling.
Quote from: nutekk on December 07, 2006, 05:56:07 PM
i dont know!
i would just suspect that.
;)
a digitally created waveform is not the same as an analog one.
and we are looking for "natural" phenomenon.
its just my gut feeling.
you may want to consider natural resonance then
The big one...
Now that what I call a TPU!
AM
Very nice work X,
and thanks for all the info
I will start building this weekend
cheers Mike ;D
Quote from: starcruiser on December 07, 2006, 05:43:39 PM
something to look at
this is very useful, lots of details, explicit. thanks
Carl,
I just finished the wiring, its almost midnight and I started first thing in the morning, now my fingers ache.
I am almost scared to fire it up in case it takes off ;D
In case you are wondering, its the same dimensions as SMs large TPU.
D.
How did you obtain the exact dimensions of SMs large TPU?
Just curious as to how you determined that...
Looking good in any event!
Excited to hear about your work,
~Dingus
Quote from: X on December 07, 2006, 06:46:39 PM
Carl,
I just finished the wiring, its almost midnight and I started first thing in the morning, now my fingers ache.
I am almost scared to fire it up in case it takes off ;D
In case you are wondering, its the same dimensions as SMs large TPU.
D.
Cool!
I bet your fingers are hurting, I feel your pain brother. I forget about the time difference between us once in a while. Over here it is only 10 to 6 (eve).
I can't wait to hear how ithat baby performs. Mine is already ringing without any connections to it. I'm going to grab a few scope shots this weekend to show.
Well I'll talk to you later, go have a beer!
Quote from: starcruiser on December 07, 2006, 06:54:14 PM
Mine is already ringing without any connections to it.
:o
WHAT?
Quote from: Dingus Mungus on December 07, 2006, 06:52:04 PM
How did you obtain the exact dimensions of SMs large TPU?
Just curious as to how you determined that...
Looking good in any event!
Excited to hear about your work,
~Dingus
Well I watched the video and when SM measures it with a tape measure I wrote it down.
D.
Quote from: starcruiser on December 07, 2006, 06:54:14 PM
Mine is already ringing without any connections to it. I'm going to grab a few scope shots this weekend to show.
Hi Carl,
All coils will have a tiny noise on them. Do you have something more than this?
D.
@ X
The collector has a small.05mV ringing, this was after I placed the control coils on it. The control coils seem to have a small sinewave signal, about .02mV I'd say. This seems rather promising. I find it interesting that the control coils seem to activate the collector. I am going to record this activity and share it later, probably this weekend. I still need to finish the outside coil and the retest the inductance and capacitance on the coils, then re-scope them as well. I want to compare them to the readings I got prior.
Quote from: X on December 07, 2006, 07:05:43 PM
Well I watched the video and when SM measures it with a tape measure I wrote it down.
D.
Oh... I was hoping you meant the overall dimensions...
(ex. coils, number of turns, gage, et al)
I'm still psyched!
~Dingus
Dingus,
It has been wound with multiple coils with can be run in series, parallel, bifilar, non-inductive mode, linked as opposites, etc. It is so I can try all the different ideas I have without having to wind specific TPUs, I can just re-configure the connections between each coils. This way I can see which works best.
D.
I have now wound up one collector coil from copper multistrand speaker copper wire,around 15 centimeter diameter, about 20 windings thick. Then I wound 3 control coils around it. I am driving it now with ma function generator with square, triangle or sine waves.
I can get maximum power out via putting a 0.47 u F cap parallel with the collector coil, then my resonance frquency is about 17 kHz.
I placed another coil into the center and this is connected in parallel with the driving function generator and at the output I have parallel to the cap an LED , so the LED shines brighter at this resonance frequency when this center coil is parallel connected to the driver coils.
You have to connect this center coil with the right polarity otherwise it will weaken the output. With the Led connected I can clearly see, which connections bring more output power. Without the cap, there is no real resonance and just voltage, but no real power transfer...
In this moment my output voltage looks like square modulated AM carrier... Very strange...
Now I will try to connect a stereo receiver and try noise signals on 2 driver coils and on the 3rd I will use my function generator.
Want to see, what is going on when I mix more frequencies ...
Will post pics and videos later, have only my PDA right now here, no PC right now...
By the way, the control coils capacitively couple already just connected via one wire from the function generator already voltage pulses into the collector coil, but real power transfer needs also the ground wire from the function generator to be connected...
@Dave, nice great new unit, hopefully you have a few fuses integrated, so this thing does not burn up....
Where is Marco and Otto, any updates from them ???
Stephan,
If possible adjust the duty cycle down to say 5% or so
@juice
i've installed 'visual analyser' on two machines, the wave gen is stereo, very nice separation too, so two freq's from one machine and the third from another. the program does have a calibration part to it so the junk from the computer can be minimised, but i'll be building a standalone 3 channel generator later. something i did see while tinkering, if i set all the channels to pump out 600hz squarewave into the coils, after 3-4 seconds the top end of the spectrum 10khz-20khz slowly built up and rolled in and out like the waves on a beach, looked good but nothing usefull, i don't think.
Also 'visual analyser' has a time capture, you can set it to capture upto 100 seconds of the scope output, might be useful for some.
derek.
In my unit bifilar setups are not good, just normal wiring will bring induction output..
I have my additional center "feedback coil" wound onto a plastic drinking glas. When I put my 2 hematite shocker magnets in there (see Overunity store) they shake like hell at the right frequency.. Now if I could tune the resonance frequncy of the output coil with a bigger cap exactly to this low toggling vibration frequency of the magnets, I could generate probably much more power output....
But now first the test with the noise generators...
"All his knowledge and training is still in there, it just comes out with completely new associations, in bits and starts like little technical jewels from a future civilization."
f^&*ing brilliant .. god i love this shit !!!
That has to be the best single line i have read in years and I do love my literature.
Your a friggin genius whether you like it or not Holmes :D
Hello all,
Stefan,
Im with you every day (logged in) and looking what you are doing. Im in big work with my TPUs. Winding, testing looking to the right frequencies...
Regards
Otto
Hi All,
yeasterday I used 2 frequency generators and one radio for my 3 coils, cause I could not find my 3rd frequency generator...
but I never got my LED to light brighter, than the power already put in from the frequency generators...
I also did not see this strange DC pulses that Dave spoke off..
The maximum transfer of energy from the control coils to the collector coil takes place, when I have a cap parallel with the output coil
and when I hit the resonance frequency of the collector coil -cap LC tank... I guess I must try it with 3 * 2 partial coils, so the flux goes out into the center and really can rotate....
@Dave,
did you fire up yet your new big TPU ?
@Otto,
kannst Du mal ein Schaltbild posten, wie Dein Rodin coil TPU aussieht, wo Du 2,25 Watt mehr rausbekommst mit der bifilaren Spule, danke.
English: Can you please post your TPU circuit diagram, where you can get 2,25 Watts more out than in ? Thanks.
Stefan,
I have not fired up yet, I did not feel well today and I have to drag myself out tonight to the work christmas party with my colleagues, but I would rather stay at home and work on the TPU, sad isnt it!
I want to fix it to a wooden base and make some terminals because there is 94 wires coming out of this TPU and many combinations that can be had.
Also I cannot get steady effects with my simple 3 way pulse generator I built and I am looking to buy 2 more proper generators to go with my existing one.
Will post more when I can.
Have you been able to see the waves starting to mix in the collector? I have not used a cap, at this stage I recommend just looking at the waves mixing, not trying to measure the output power, just looking for the DC spikes with the right frequencys first, then you may start running ;)
D.
I did not get any strange or OU effects with my TPU yeasterday, BUT I think I found out, how to build a real interesting other device.
Maybe I should call something like Hartmann?s orthogonal magnet jump transformer or something simular. Later I will open up a new thread about it.
The principle is quite easy.
When you look again at this new bicycle light dynamo, where the magnet allways jumps and toggles inside a small box, where a coil is wound around it, you can see, that it jumps back and forth and generates power in a coil wound around the box-case.
Now I do the same, but for giving the magnet a kick, I wind another coil by 90 degrees onto the case and the case is always so positioned, that the magnet will always jump inside the case-box, when I apply a pulse to the 90 degrees driver coil. The magnet will always jump with the driver pulse and induce output also in the output coil, which is 90 degrees turned wound, so the both coils together do not work as a transformer and don?t influence each other ! You can also design it this way, that you place 2 case- boxes ontop each other, each with one magnet inside and each with a coil wound around their case. Then place the lower case 90 degrees to the top one and drive the top one with short pulses, so the magnet begins to jump inside the upper box. This will influence the lower magnet also to toggle and jump inside the lower box, which is 90 degrees rotated and this box will only get induction from its own toggling magnet inside. No influence from the driver pulse. It works really quite nicely as I tested yeasterday. Pics and videos later, wheI am back at my PC.
Hi Dave, as I had always a red LED connected to the collector output coil, I could see, when the maximum power was transfered to the output collector coil. Without the cap there were indeed also spikes in the mixing, but these spikes were not bigger as the maximum amplitude I do get, when I put the cap parallel to the collector output coil.. Then these amplitudes are constant when resonanse is reached and the output will stay at this maximum amplitude and it is a sine frequency wave at around 15 khz. Then the power transfer is maximum and the LED lights from the positive wave hills, which are around 1.7 Volts in amplitude, the negative also, but there the LED does not conduct....
Hope this helps...
It seems it makes more sense to wind control coils with more than one layer and bigger area, as this increases the coupling and power transfer.
Also wind better the output coil with more windings and bigger sised wire, so you will get more voltage and more current, so more output power !
Quote from: X on December 08, 2006, 12:02:52 PM
Stefan,
I have not fired up yet, I did not feel well today and I have to drag myself out tonight to the work christmas party with my colleagues, but I would rather stay at home and work on the TPU, sad isnt it!
I want to fix it to a wooden base and make some terminals because there is 94 wires coming out of this TPU and many combinations that can be had.
Also I cannot get steady effects with my simple 3 way pulse generator I built and I am looking to buy 2 more proper generators to go with my existing one.
Will post more when I can.
Have you been able to see the waves starting to mix in the collector? I have not used a cap, at this stage I recommend just looking at the waves mixing, not trying to measure the output power, just looking for the DC spikes with the right frequencys first, then you may start running ;)
D.
X / D,
Your not getting consistent results probably because your oscillators are not stable enough.
I think you would be better off using a synchronous voltage to frequency converter (VFC). They are infinitely variable and have rock solid frequency stability if you sync them up with a crystal oscillator. I may build one into the computer controller multi oscillator board I'm going to build, either that or I'll use an XR2206 and stabilize it using a lock loop.
The problem as I see it is this: you must have the proper tools to do this kind of research and people on this forum are not paying attention to this. If your using unstable equipment then you're just going to be endlessly chasing the dragon's tail. You need a stable baseline to start with.
You may want to check out the Analog Devices AD7741. That's the chip I'm thinking of using. It's worth a couple a bucks and a crystal oscillator unit is worth about $8.00. You'll need to run the output through a flip-flop to get a 50% duty cycle out of it but that's no big deal. Also, to get all the ranges you want you will need to run the oscillator through a divide by N counter. That will give you your rough rang adjustment, then you do your fine (9:1) adjustments using a (stable) voltage. You can run four VFCs with one oscillator.
Mike
Stefan and all,
Firstly as you know there is no magnetic coupling between coils at 90 degrees, so please stop looking for it. The effect is something else...
D.
Mike,
Thanks for the advice, I am aware my generator is not stable enough, but I didnt want to spend several hundred pounds buying more professional ones, so to start with I just build something cheap to play with. Now I can see something, I shall upgrade for more stability.
D.
C0mster,
Have you checked out the wiring plan I posed on page 25? Let me know what you think.
Very interesting indeed.
I have a pile of tests I am currently working on written down in my lab book.
It takes time to build, document, and do these tests physically.
I appreciate you brining your drawing to my attention as it still has not been determined of the coil configuration.
C0mster
Quote from: c0mster on December 08, 2006, 02:21:34 PM
Very interesting indeed.
I have a pile of tests I am currently working on written down in my lab book.
It takes time to build, document, and do these tests physically.
I appreciate you brining your drawing to my attention as it still has not been determined of the coil configuration.
C0mster
Cam,
I understand, same goes here, After winding the coils I am in the process of documenting the inductance and capacitance of the coils at each stage of assembly as well as sweeping them to determine the Q. All takes time to get done.
I am going to try that config as my first test, with and without signal applied to see what happens.
Well ths weekend will be a busy one for me as most of my lab work occurs then.
Chat with you later.
Hi Dave,
maybe you can tell us with what three frequency relationship we can see this strange DC pulse ?
What was your coil configuration in this case ?
With my setup I have only capacitive coupling between the control and output coil and capacitive resonance coupling...
Also I need real 3 stable square oscillators to test it all better...
Do you think one could use a masterclock square generator and generate all frequencies by just dividing the masterclock frequency down from it ?
Or are then the phase shiftings missing ?
Maybe Marco can also answer this ?
Where is he ?
Any news about lighting his 60 Watts bulb with his 9 Volts powered circuit ?
If somebody has already designed a 3 square wave oscillator via 3 x 555 chip with PCB or one via deviders from a master clock and is able to sell me a working one between 30 to 50 US$ or Euro, please make me an offer. Have not left much time now to build it myself.
Would be best, if it could be powered by 9 to 12 Volts DC.
Could also be a PIC chip with USB or serial interface and three MOSFets outputs.
Many thanks.
Regards, Stefan.
Well things like overunity neutralizes supply and demand like christmas ;-).
Imagein overunity computer processer and unlimited ghz,now you would not want to recycle that.
Good work guys...That's the spirit! ;D
Wow...I've read so much about Tesla lately, I won't be surprised if his "secret" comes to me in a dream. ::)
Stefan,
Did you read the PDF? It shows a 3 frequency pulse generator, it shows the frequencys I think and I show the scope shots and it describes the coils. What more do you want? I am gonna figure here that the frequencys will change depending on your coil design. The DC spike was found by running through combinations of the 3. Start with f1 until you find a peak in the output, then start with f2, and so on. The DC spike is rare because the timing is critical, but you will see it.
D.
Inside the big one...
X,
1-Are these pictures of two different "TPU"s?
2-What do you used to wrap your coils on?
3-How do you fix your collector in the form? I have a feeling it must be some how kept in the center of the tube or whatever. ( like a co-ax wire )
Regard
X
I am beyond the freq hurdle - the freqs are just a means to an end.
very short dc pulses are the secret - look at Turbo's work
100 microsecond or less -
little time - much to do - speak with 'Pese' or other EE - he can help with pulse circuit - not hard to do
Quote from: AhuraMazda on December 08, 2006, 09:07:50 PM
X,
1-Are these pictures of two different "TPU"s?
2-What do you used to wrap your coils on?
3-How do you fix your collector in the form? I have a feeling it must be some how kept in the center of the tube or whatever. ( like a co-ax wire )
Regard
X
Its the same TPU at different stages of construction.
I dont use anything to wrap the coils on. The collectors are self fixed, ie they are wound and taped, then control coils wound over them and taped and then each layer is placed on top of the other and taped in place, then an outer coil is wound over all of them and taped in place.
D.
Thats alot of wires @ picture 10 ;-).
My Goodness..... I'm speechless! This writing is classic!! You surely need to publish this into a book when you are finished!!
God Bless,
Jason O
@Mramos,
please post again the link to your programmable three output driver circuit. I am at my PDA only right now, so I have limited viewing capability. Thanks.
I guess the TP U has merit. Yeasterday, when I was tired I connected some coil components of it together and suddenly had a much brighter LED lightning. I thought, well, it is probably just the brightness of the direct output of my function generator and did not write down, how I wired it. Today I rechecked the function generator and I see, that my LED is pretty dim with it, when I drive it directly from the output. The function generator puts out only plus-minus 5 Volts, so 10 Volts peek to peek, but the current is very limited and the pulse pause is always 50 %, so as only the positive wave lights the LED with this duty cycle, it is pretty dim at all frequencies...
Now today I don?t get the old circuit connection not anymore.. too bad I did not write it down, which connection I did exactly.. So this configuration did put out at least 2 or 3 times the power fed into it, if you compared the brightness of the LED...
I think I had some kind of feedback loop with the center coil...
@Dave,
nice new big TPU.
If you still have your other two TPUs, please try to put a 0.1 to 0.47 mikroFarad cap across the collector coil in parallel and let me know, if you then still get this DC spike or if you then get better resonance and higher output. Many thanks.
P.S. Don?t use elko, but foil caps only with high voltage rating !
@Mramos,
I dito hartiberlin request Post ? Reply #540 on: ?, and I mentioned in some other post previously, we need to limit variables, what we can standardize on is the function generator.
Because there are so many different coil configuration and wire configuration and connections, WE NEED A RELIABLE AND STEADY GENERATOR. It will just cut down on development time of the TPU. I truly believe it is the better way.
I was planning on doing the 3 x 555 ic circuit with IRF540ââ,¬â,,¢s, (posted by alex) (will still do it if some thing better doesnââ,¬â,,¢t show) but if you and some of the know how Guys on the form, are willing, to do all the hard work in developing a Pic version that can be driven from a PC/laptop ( and or even free standing) and give feed back to example into an XLS sheet. RS232, USB, parallel what ever as long as it is reliable and consistent. It will not be cheap, but it will be worth the effort, every cent just on time saved removing a lot of doubt and frustration.
It will eliminate one of the flexibilities/variables that could drag out this project and cause a lot of duplicate work. One request please keep it user friendly (simple with enough info for us newbieââ,¬â,,¢s).
May be on another post where the know whoââ,¬â,,¢s can work un-disturbed and give us a stable product, I will help build and fault find if it need be.
(You guys can later label it and sell it as a kit or something)
Virus ;D
Hi guys I think this might help everyone:
I found a program which creates exactly 3 frequencies it's called Frequency Generator 2.6.
It's free to use for 14 days. You can download it at:
http://www.softpile.com/Education/Mathematics/Review_21743_index.html (http://www.softpile.com/Education/Mathematics/Review_21743_index.html)
I was playing with frequencies and found two settings to produce some very interesting results.
I've uploaded the files (MIGHT NEED TO CHANGE THE FILE TYPE FROM ".txt" to ".dat")
so all you need to do is open the file with Frequency Generator to see result. Two settings really
stood out:
"InterestingFrequency2.dat" Sound Magnifies -> Dissipates -> Magnifies again
"InterestingFrequency9.dat" Sound seems to Intensify dramatically with time!
I don't know which file (configuration) it was, but I had left it on for a while accidentally and it started
producing cracking noises.(?)
One configuration made my sub woofer continually suck in air instead of sucking it in and then pushing it out as
it is usually.
Play with it and post your observations on this and anything you might come up with.
Quote from: JohnMalkovich on December 09, 2006, 06:29:05 AM
Hi guys I think this might help everyone:
I found a program which creates exactly 3 frequencies it's called Frequency Generator 2.6.
Offer say :
Frequency Generator contains 3 Generators, you can choose between
Sine, Square, Triangle, SawtoothNeg, SawtoothPos, Pink Noise
It this shure that it give 3 outputs to drive separatly 3 different frequencies ?
If dosn?t it isn?t to use
Pese
Dave,
Ok I am now baffled. Referring to the images you sent and you reply, each coil set seems around 20mm in diameter. If you are using a single wire as the collector, it must be a very thick guage or, are you using a single wire made into a loop/torroid to give it thickness?
These questions may be leading somewhere!
Regards
AM
Its simple. Each collector has 3 turns of thick 3 core mains cable then the vertical coils are wound upon this.
X,
You're trying to power a small country? ;D
Permanent magnet
The ring just wants to be turned on .
Okay, I am now back at my PC.
Here is a picture of my TPU and
in the center you see 2 additional coils,
that I used later for my new HOG
(Hartmann Orthogonal Generator).
I will continue with the
TPU, when I got a 3 square wave generator
or have build one myself...
So long it has to wait.
one has to have the right driver circuit, to continue this..
In a moment I will post a video of the HOG
under a new thread.
Regards, Stefan.
Doch sprung dork technik!
AM
Quote from: starcruiser on December 07, 2006, 08:07:53 PM
Stephan,
If possible adjust the duty cycle down to say 5% or so
No unfortunately not with these function generators.
This is why I have to get a 3 square wave driver circuit,
which can do this all .
For real good documentation
with thses TPU units, one also needs the right driver
circuits which work flawlessly and where the
wanted parameters can be easily adjusted...
So with my fast built setup it does not make sense
to try to rebuild the TPU.
I first have to get a real good driver setup
and then I can wind some new better TPU coils.
P.S: I also tried a few various other setups
during the last 2 days also with bifilar coils.
In the Hz and 10 Hz range, you don?t see any effects
with bifilar coils.
If you wind a bifilar output coil around
a primary coil and pulse the primary normal coil with square
waves, there is just no induction inside the bifilar output coil.
But if you go to the 50 to 200 Khz range, there is indeed
some capacitive coupling and the stray capacitance
of the bifilar coil is charged and discharged during
the switching.
So in this frequency range you have some damped
oscillations at the output of the bifilar coil,
when the primary coil is switching, just after the switching
spike.
If you do this fast enough you then can have output from
the bifilar coil.
But I don?t know yet , if the capacitive coupling will
drag back onto the input, or if the output current will
be independent from the input current into the primary
coil.
But these output pulses are pretty small and
you need a lot of wire with lots of capacity to get a higher
output voltage..
Also interweaved primary and secondary coils could help this
way to make the capacitive coupling stronger.
Regards, Stefan.
well well, if it isn't sherlock holmes.... :)
how is the investigation going?
nice going on the details. :D
so, i didn't read my bulb was fake yet in this thread......
indeed it was a real bulb and it was not powerd by the 9 volt battery.
can you calculate how long a 240 volt 75 watt bulb will burn on a 3 volt cr2032 lithium cell....on one wire? ;D
:o
i got a new video with a clear bulb and without the 9 volt. :)
there are quite a lot of rf burn holes in my fingers from sparks flying out.
i tried to measure but the equipment fails.
it has all been written about if you want to build it, please visit the books, this is the only way, they don't fall out of the sky.
Have fun
Nice work Turbo.
Your poor meter :)
If by books you mean Tesla and Moray I agree.
C0mster
Hi Turbo,
what is going onwithyour camera ?
Why does it blink all the time ?
Is it defective ?
Many thanks for the new videos,
but without audio or any text file telling what we see,
these postings are pretty much useless..
The clear bulb now seems to have pretty huge output...
So what is the small red-white light below the multimeter ?
Is it a sparkgap glowing or a bulb ?
Please tell us more about your circuits.
Many thanks.
Regards. Stefan.
P.S: I just found your video here on google:
http://video.google.nl/videoplay?docid=5540717206741162529
Looks cool these dancing magnets exactly at 7.8 Hz !
Quote from: hartiberlin on December 09, 2006, 11:50:41 PM
Hi Turbo,
what is going onwithyour camera ?
Why does it blink all the time ?
Is it defective ?
Many thanks for the new videos,
but without audio or any text file telling what we see,
these postings are pretty much useless..
The clear bulb now seems to have pretty huge output...
So what is the small red-white light below the multimeter ?
Is it a sparkgap glowing or a bulb ?
Please tell us more about your circuits.
Many thanks.
Regards. Stefan.
P.S: I just found your video here on google:
http://video.google.nl/videoplay?docid=5540717206741162529
Looks cool these dancing magnets exactly at 7.8 Hz !
the magnets seem to resonate with a magnetic wave @7.8Hz.
camera is old but the only thing i have.
the light is a one wire neon bulb it lits when the system is in resonance.
by the books is not only Tesla and Moray.
you can also read Meyl,eric dollard, heaviside, bearden,Thompson,
many more.
:)
Hi Turbo,
well okay, I have downloaded now all 4 new videos
and watched them again.
You seem to have just a lot of High Voltage radio frequency AC
running there on your output wire.
This way you can light up your small
neon bulbs already with one wire and
also your 75 Watts lamp,
cause you touch it and hold it in your hand
and you yourself are the other electrode,
so the bulb glows pretty brightly...
One can not see from the old camera although,
how bright it really is, maybe the camera is very
sensitive to light...
So what are you driving with your voltage multiplier
circuit ?
Is this a tesla coil there ?
What voltage levels do you reach and what frequencies
do they have ?
Do you have a scope , so you can see it ?
Many thanks for this interesting videos.
I did not know, that one can light up
a 75 Watts bulbs so brightly with just RF AC !
Seems to be quite some nice power level you can generate
from this small battery...
How long does the battery last ?
Many thanks.
Hey Turbo, in one of SM's videos he said his unit was vibrating at 7.3 cycles per second. Also, in most others he said the units were producing DC at around 5000 herts frequency.
If your device is putting out so much energy, why not just convert some to dc and loop it back through the battery. That's what SM is doing.
Quote from: hartiberlin on December 10, 2006, 01:24:27 AM
Seems to be quite some nice power level you can generate
from this small battery...
How long does the battery last ?
why does evreybody always think the power is comming from the battery?
you should know better.
IT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO LIGHT A 240 VOLT 75 WATT BULB OFF A 3 VOLT LITHIUM CELL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
IT WON'T EVEN FLASH A SECOND.
please try it, try it, try it.
the simple explenation:
a generator fires a pulse into a wire, the pulse travels to the end of the wire and reflects back.
when the reflected pulse is returning at the generator , the generator again fires a pulse, so if the system is properly tuned, (variable fine tuning recommended) the new pulse will add to the returning pulse and double, and take off again and again.
this process repeats and very high voltage is being generated between the coil and the sphere, which create waves.
if there is a wave present at the tunning frequency, these waves resonate and there will be an exchange of energy.
the battery is only there to get it into resonance with a source.....
i never knew there was so much "power" on so much "channels" around us.
basicly its like tuning a radio, the neon bulb is the speaker.
you can come across strong or weak signals.
the voltage multiplier is actually a verry special filter element.
it splits up some stuff in space conjunction , or so i believe.
and yes ,these are modified tesla coils.
the output is not realy measurable with the meters i have, and i don't want to blow up my scope.
Turbo
I am moving on with testing and clearing some stuff out as I have ended up in room full of coils and TPUs.
The first UK based person to reply to this post gets this small test TPU in the post free for christmas.
You can then hook it up to your signal generators and play.
MERRY CHRISTMAS.
X
Dave,
me, me me! No seriously the group seems to have moved to a new project but I am still here!
I am UK based! So if your offer is real I'll email you my address.
Regards
AM
Hi Turbo/Marco,
I have to say those dancing magnets are superb!
I have just got to do this experiment!
The 7.8 Hz. Schumann fundamental frequency is the key ehh.
QuoteThe Schumann Resonances are the result of cosmic energy build-up within the cavity that exists between Earth's highly conductive surface and the conducting layer in the upper atmosphere called the ionosphere.* This creates a world-wide lightning display of broadband electromagnetic impulses that fill this cavity and that act as the stimulus for the cavity to resonate.
* A part of Earth's upper atmosphere is ionized plasma caused by the sun's ultraviolet radiation.
This layer, the ionosphere, couples Earth's outer magnetosphere with Earth's inner neutral atmosphere.
The Schumann Resonances are a part of many frequencies that create Earth's "Harmonic Signature."
So what we need to aim for is to use two higher frequencies together that create a resonance at 7.83Hz and this drives the collector coil to draw atmospheric energy.
So it is basically its a very low frequency energy receiver?
I am baffled by how you have powered a 75 watt bulb using just one contact.
Does the screw thread of the Edison bulb form a kind of ground plane?
So if you touch the wire on the screw thread the power transferred through the bulb will be a lot less.
Every time I think that I have the right idea for a pulse circuit I read a bit more then suddenly realise that its no good.
There is talk of divide by N chips, phase lock loop circuits, VCO oscillators etc.
Does the start pulse for each frequency need to be in sync?
Or can the frequencies run freely as long as there is a harmonic of 7.83Hz?
Could you post a sketch of your circuit diagram so I can take a closer look on how you get the feedback loop working.
Regards
Rob
AhuraMazda, you beat me there, haha. Good luck with your testing,
Steve.
Caution: Cliff Ahead*******Piles of Lemmings below******Caution
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Why is it that evrey time i come over here and try to give some people some inspiration, there is a little punk who think he knows it all responding with a bullshit post?
sparkman:
maybe you should first read the posts and then respond so it actually makes sense what you are saying, because it does not.
not at all.
Caution*******Sharp Curve*****Beware of practical jokers
Hey Alex,
Sounds great thanks! Will email you shortly!
Also, here is another I just made...
Dave.
I just recieved this PM from Turbo with a threat !
Quotesparkman:
as a matter of fact , im already spreading my findings to people of who i think deserve them, and to who i know can do it.
but i can tell you one thing, you will be the last to get it from me.
why?
because you talk to much shit so the real important things get lost between your crap in the treads.
with things untrue or just stupid assumings.
i already gave a good explenation of how it works, yet you know it much much better.......
you don't know nothing at all.
Marco sights K. Meyl as a reference in having inspired his work (and suggested reading)
Meyl charges big $$$$$ for his mini Tesla coil kits which Meyl claims receive more energy than is transmitted (they come in pairs, one transmitter, one receiver). Meyl equates power to the brightness of LED's placed across the primary of the transmitter and the secondary of the receiver. This is Meyl's sleight of hand.
This is a serious flaw in reasoning and measurement. It can be measured that the impedance dips on the primary of the transmitter at resonance causing the LED's in parallel with the primary to extinguish. The current drawn from the oscillator however peaks! Mr. Meyl equates the extinguishing of the transmitter LED's to "no power being drawn", a serious error.
Dave: You are a ham operator, tell Marco how resonant transformers work.
Buyers beware.
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Documents and videos already exist. Search for the following:
- Tesla patents 0645576 and 0649621. If you keep looking you will find other related tesla patents.
- KONSTANTIN MEYL's "Scalar Waves: Theory and Experiments"
- http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6461713170757457294&q=borderland&hl=en
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Alex,
You are working hard! What software do you use?
Dave.
Well AhuraMa,
This really is your Christmas, you will have a coil and 3 way pulse circuit.
Next year is going to be a good year, I have a feeling ;)
D.
yes, bluedemon, THANK YOU!
im glad at least some people are seriously looking at certain things insted of talking about how faulty my experiments are and such....
great video from the Borderlands Sciences team.
now combine this with another amazing video of them and be surprised.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-721789270445596549&hl=en (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-721789270445596549&hl=en)
Eric Dollard is one of my favorites, to me hes like a living tesla.
Turbo
@ Rob,
your quote "I am baffled by how you have powered a 75 watt bulb using just one contact."
Rob,
The 75 watt bulb is inert gas filled. The RF doesn't pass through the filament but through the gas (acts like a neon light) to Turbo's hand which acts as a ground.
Michael Flynn
I dont know about Marco, but I am used to experimenting on my own and not documenting anything for anyone except myself and most of it remains in my head. I think Marco is the same.
We could say the burden of proof is on Marco, but I would not. If he was asking for money or seeking to attract investors, then obviously he would have the burden of proof.
Lets face it, if we want to go down that road, we could say the burden of poof is on Steven Mark, do we really have proof the TPU really works at all?
Personally I am grateful Marco posts anything at all, he doesnt have to post anything and doesnt have to proove anything to us.
If you dont like it, then dont bother reading it?
What right do we have to demand anything?
@Sparkman, if you were building coils before Marco was even born then I guess you have all the answers? Why do you come here at all and waste your time with the children who don't know anything and must be faking it all? (not a dig, an honest question).
Best regards,
Dave.
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Quote from: X on December 10, 2006, 07:23:24 AM
I am moving on with testing and clearing some stuff out as I have ended up in room full of coils and TPUs.
The first UK based person to reply to this post gets this small test TPU in the post free for christmas.
You can then hook it up to your signal generators and play.
MERRY CHRISTMAS.
X
That could be me, i am like 2 hours drive from london.
There seems to be little new in Turbo?s efforts. The transmission of power by longitudinal waves in a Tesla MT has been known for a century. It?s possible in a MT there may be overunity at Tesla resonance. Someone needs to show this O.U. in a convincing manner. To be frank, the manner in which Turbo has shown his work is pathetic.
Hi,
I guess you didn't read the other posts yet. Someone already replied, sorry...
Dave.
WARNING***Practical Joke Ahead******By Marco (Turbo)
Even if it does not produce overunity think of the many doors that this opens. For example I would love to own a wireless ISP that transmits over longitudinal waves. This would throw out alot of disadvantages with the current transverse based wave transmission. Imagine sending a device to your customer that not only has your new longitudinal wave modem, but also has a few plugins for your customer's computer's power source. :)
Quote from: X on December 10, 2006, 12:01:49 PM
Next year is going to be a good year, I have a feeling ;)
Dave,
I hope early next year. I have promised myself a long holiday after I have made a working TPU!
Thanks again.
AM
;D Message recieved.
well x i sent you my postal details, and when i figure out how to make it work like you did and connected a light blub or receive help from you or others, i will feel motivated to borrow my brothers camera, showing a light bulb connected to a lamp with a 3 socket plug, over here, and then use the tpu you send if you do send, to blast these doubters to kingdom come, and make them go '' hmm whats going on here''.
Overunity or not, it will move doubt and confusion some more.
Quote from: Groundloop on December 10, 2006, 12:20:53 PM
I use the PIC16F84A. I use MPLAB to write SW in assembler. I use the design program Eagle version 4.1 for electronic design and pcb layout. I use Microsoft Notepad and Paint to create my web site. :)
Alex,
It is your design but why not use a more powerful PIC like PIC16F877A The are several reasons for my suggestion . You always have room for expansion.
You will have space for incorporating various algorithms, feed back control etc.
You have a USART which one could use for control and monitoring the outputs/inputs.
Because you are not going into mass production, the price difference will not be a hinderance and as it Chritmass I can send you a sample if you want to use it.
Regards
AM
Any day now Marco will release full details.......................NOT!
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Hey guys. Not sure if you guys have figured out the magic frequency spread or not, but I would think harmonic or resonant music notes/chords might work for your needs. Octave notes would be a good start with a harmonic in between and you could transpose according to the configuration of your coil. Here is a link to some higher frequency / note conversion with wavelengths.
http://www.phy.mtu.edu/~suits/notefreqs.html
As well as a more thorough chart here
http://www.contrabass.com/pages/frequency.html
Maybe, maybe not...some numbers to consider. I use several different synthesisers with many channels and polyphony and a computer to record music. Got me thinking about getting into these coil setups now.
Quote from: lltfdaniel1 on December 10, 2006, 01:06:51 PM
well x i sent you my postal details, and when i figure out how to make it work like you did and connected a light blub or receive help from you or others, i will feel motivated to borrow my brothers camera, showing a light bulb connected to a lamp with a 3 socket plug, over here, and then use the tpu you send if you do send, to blast these doubters to kingdom come, and make them go '' hmm whats going on here''.
Overunity or not, it will move doubt and confusion some more.
GAH! I guess you didn't read that post either. SOME ONE ALREADY POSTED AND WON THE TPU!
Dave.
Quote from: sparkman on December 10, 2006, 12:57:37 PM
That's simple to answer Dave
When you post videos on an open forum, like the OVERUNITY FORUM and constantly imply that you have discovered a new form of energy, greater than the source (the battery), Then as you say don't owe the forum members anything, what is the point?
QuoteSparkman, if you were building coils before Marco was even born then I guess you have all the answers? Why do you come here at all and waste your time with the children who don't know anything and must be faking it all? (not a dig, an honest question).
Simple again Dave, I don't have all the answers, because I'm not making any claims that I have a overunity device. I come here to expose a charlatan that is trying to pretend and imply he has something producing overunity. This is my point of view based on my experience.
Now I'm not talking about you Dave, as you have come clean and admitted that you don't have an OU device.
Why hasn't Marco come clean and admit that what he is doing is neither new or unique as anyone with lots of experience around Tesla coils knows this.
Here is an open question to Marco to "fess up" with a yes or no answer.
On behalf of everyone who may be interested in truth:
Do you have an overunity device ?
This requires only a simple yes or no
I'm sure he will slither out of a direct yes or no answer and say "my videos tell the truth" but we will never know what "truth" he is talking about.
The gauntlet has been thrown down. Your turn professori
sparkman:
you as an well experienced tesla coil builder should have to be able to awnser that question youreself, since you are assuming it has all been done before and so you say, nothing new....
now when we look at the name of the device, tesla's magnifying transmitter, and we wonder why he called it this way , the awnser would be simple.
it's because the reciever puts out more energy then is deliverd to the tranmitter.
so basicly we can say that a tesla magnifying transmitter in proper operation is an overunity device.
since you claim you read all the posts you did also read about the part where i explain it is made up of MODIFIED tesla coils, now what would that mean?
the origional model was developed to deliver energy anywhere on the planet by transmitting it somewhere else.
later on things got really intresting when people started thinking about tuning the recievers to natural sources evreywhere present....
this would mean the transmitter would completly dissaper , leaving us with a reciever only.......
Now ,if you start thinking about what i just told you instead of asking questions about claims i never made, hence maybe further devellop the works of tesla himself, who knows what can be done.
i am not at this stage YET , a reciever tuned ONLY to a natural source ,the video's are just there to show im working on it and its getting better.
i know there are people looking at them and thinking hey maybe i can try it like this..or like that..
then people like yourself begin talking and i think maybe i should not post anything at all, but i refuse, because there is a lot waiting for us to be discoverd.
it is not to claim one has a overunity device, its about adding something to a process called development, but you seemd to have missed that one.
i am sorry for you.
Turbo
;D
Quote from: Groundloop on December 10, 2006, 11:58:02 AM
@AhuraMa,
I'm still in the x-mas mode. I have ONE extra PCB of the 555 IC TPU project. It is yours for free, if you want it. :D
Alex.
Alex,
The excitement of owning a TPU over whelmed me and I missed this post. I will PM my address to you incase the offer is still open.
Regards
Am
From Marco:
Quotethe origional model was developed to deliver energy anywhere on the planet by transmitting it somewhere else.
later on things got really intresting when people started thinking about tuning the recievers to natural sources evreywhere present....
this would mean the transmitter would completly dissaper , leaving us with a reciever only.......
Now ,if you start thinking about what i just told you instead of asking questions about claims i never made, hence maybe further devellop the works of tesla himself, who knows what can be done.
i am not at this stage YET , a reciever tuned ONLY to a natural source ,the video's are just there to show im working on it and its getting better.
Simplified:
Marco has invented a energy receiving device, it is
like a light bulb plugged into a wall socket. Now he has to get rid of the wall socket (transmitter) and get the energy from somewhere else. Duh!
Quote from: mflynn44 on December 10, 2006, 12:06:21 PM
@ Rob,
your quote "I am baffled by how you have powered a 75 watt bulb using just one contact."
Rob,
The 75 watt bulb is inert gas filled. The RF doesn't pass through the filament but through the gas (acts like a neon light) to Turbo's hand which acts as a ground.
Michael Flynn
hi mflynn44 :)
thank you very much for your serious respond.
you have a very intresting concept.
this would mean that if i dont hold on to the bulb it should not shine because then i just got rid of the ground...
do you think this is the case? :)
let's try it.
Turbo
Quote from: sparkman on December 10, 2006, 01:57:01 PM
Dear Mr. Turbo
Quoteit is not to claim one has a overunity device, its about adding something to a process called development, but you seemd to have missed that one.
i am sorry for you.
I think this can be loosely translated into "no, I don't have an overunity device".
Don't be sorry for me.
My previous title in the workplace was "Director of Research and Development" for which I was paid big $$$$. I had a team of 15 engineers and technicians and we had a free hand to do experiments that you only dream of. After 30 years of that I believe I know something about the "development process". Many patents and devices came out of that "development process". I continue working with my associates to this day. When we find something, we will not withold it, but you, Marco will be the first to know! Then the forum.
Your Friend,
Sparkman
it's obvious to see what money does to certain people....
im glad im not in it for the bucks ;D
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Could I just say here that the original Tesla coils used AC. The later work his "electrical transformer using so called Radiant Energy" was to use only one way discharges, not AC. It may look similar, but is a completely different effect.
@Sparkman, sounds like you were in a good position with plenty of money and time to do many experiments. I wonder during your Tesla Coil experiments, you had the chance (or one of your engineers) to use Tesla's Pancake bifilar coils with uni-directional discharges in to the primarys and quenched spark gaps to stop the spark mid-flow rather than the usual AC spark (ie spark jumps back and forth many times in the discharge until it looses power) and if you saw anything strange?
Regards,
Dave.
.
Marco,
Is that just one wire going to the bulb? And the bulb being standard, not neon>?!
I have a hard time believing theres a large enough capacitance now your hand is removed, but then again I am no expert.
D.
Someone has captured the hot air from this thread generated by Marco and is using it to heat his home.
This is true,
But then, I earn an average wage, I work only 4 days on, 4 days off, so thats only 6 months of the year, plus holidays. I studied electronics at college and been teaching myself ever since. I go on holidays and have everything I want, and its just an average wage. Its about making choices, im not in this for money, im in it because I believe it can be done and I want to see it done.
I guess its alot in personality, I think having a lot of money would turn me in to an arsehole, but everyone is different, but I guess I wouldnt say no if I was offered a better job or won the lottery!
I could get a much better job if I wanted to, but I prefer to do what I do best, help people in need and not get paid a lot for it.
It seems, apart from Retire (unless you retired at 30, I may even make that one too) I have done everything you listed without having the big bucks.
Regards,
Dave.
Quote from: X on December 10, 2006, 01:26:55 PM
Quote from: lltfdaniel1 on December 10, 2006, 01:06:51 PM
well x i sent you my postal details, and when i figure out how to make it work like you did and connected a light blub or receive help from you or others, i will feel motivated to borrow my brothers camera, showing a light bulb connected to a lamp with a 3 socket plug, over here, and then use the tpu you send if you do send, to blast these doubters to kingdom come, and make them go '' hmm whats going on here''.
Overunity or not, it will move doubt and confusion some more.
GAH! I guess you didn't read that post either. SOME ONE ALREADY POSTED AND WON THE TPU!
Dave.
Okay,thats divine intervention ;-),was gonna happen million years ago till now.
Groundloop
I tried to open the schematics and PCB files you posted on your site with Eagle 4.16r1, says I need to update my software to enable it. Any ideas ??
Virus
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Quote from: mramos on December 10, 2006, 03:22:42 PM
Quote from: turbo on December 10, 2006, 02:03:24 PM
Quote from: mflynn44 on December 10, 2006, 12:06:21 PM
@ Rob,
your quote "I am baffled by how you have powered a 75 watt bulb using just one contact."
Rob,
The 75 watt bulb is inert gas filled. The RF doesn't pass through the filament but through the gas (acts like a neon light) to Turbo's hand which acts as a ground.
Michael Flynn
hi mflynn44 :)
thank you very much for your serious respond.
you have a very intresting concept.
this would mean that if i dont hold on to the bulb it should not shine because then i just got rid of the ground...
do you think this is the case? :)
let's try it.
Turbo
As I mention similar yesterday, let me know your results. I know you have a path thru you. Wanted to see of other things had a path to make the bulb brighter. Close to the floor, the primary, etc.
yes, mramos :)
it looks like i turned it upside down.
the "ground" is now actually where the "sky" normally is and the "sky" is on the "ground"
it does work diffrent depending on its position.
Turbo
You know what, I try to do something nice and I get shit.
PEOPLE - STOP EMAILING ME ABOUT POSTING THE TPU. WHY DOES NO ONE READ THE POSTS THAT CAME AFTER.
THE DEAL WAS THE FIRST PERSON TO POST A REPLY WOULD GET IT - AhuraMazda WAS THE FIRST TO POST, SO HE GETS IT. THE DEAL WAS FIRST PERSON AND YOU MUST BE IN THE UK. I AM NOT PASSING HIM UP FOR SOMEONE ELSE OR SENDING IT HALF WAY ROUND THE WORLD. HE WON IT FAIR AND SQUARE.
ANY FURTHER EMAILS ON THIS WILL BE IGNORED.
D.
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Look i don't care, this technology was given out of the blue to people like Nikola telsa, so he had to be taught certain things to understand it and then give it, but his ego got in the way,
What i say is this stuff does exist but ,only one can teach you and thats ''i am'',however this stuff is suppressed by divine intervention(goverments),and so in the bible about people about global warming,
At least, he has posted pictures, and videos found(x),
oh and say '' hi ''I AM'' or just think about this text ;-),because ''i am'' is long suffering.
@Turbo
I never said the total power was coming from the battery, just as you never said this was free energy.
But, SM understood this well in terms of the battery. His unit could have run off a battery also to start it up. He elected to use a magnet through some type of collecting coils (two center coils) to start his pulses. Once the TPUs' main magnetic field was initiated, this would take over the magnets job to re-energize the collecting coils and his pulsing circuit. Why? Probably because he knew when ever a device is supported by a battery, all of academia will focus only on that. Sorry but this is a sad fact.
I have worked for financing an inventor of an electric motor driven self supporting looped generating system organizing prototype demos for university professors or industry investors and in every instance the focus of attention is the battery. They will want to see how long the unit will work when the loop is severed and until the battery dies. You can run the unit for a week steady on a 12 volt car battery producing 4000 watts continuous draw with no voltage drop on the battery, but they will want two weeks or a month. They cannot understand that the battery is only used as a starter and voltage regulator tank to only slightly skim the voltage like a rock thrown and jumping over water. So the work involved in bringing something to market, (since this is the aim to then help humanity) is much harder. They are now getting some serious investment but the work and the road involved was extremely hard. It goes with the territory. I can't say any more because of NCND and hopefully this will be openly published soon. But regardless, TPU type OU devices will outshine any other form, including electric motor type OU systems of current or coming devices. Today oil barons. Tomorrow coil barons.
I know 3 volts could not produce so much energy, but I also know that eventually, pulsing from a 3 volt battery will cease, and looping back some of the excess (if there is excess) may be an answer. We see a light bulb light up. This requires energy, if some of that can loop back, OK. If not, it's also OK.
I have also learned that the inventors mindset is not conducive to bringing their products to the world. That's were the business/diplomatic mindset comes in and in many instances the friction, between inventor (I am God syndrome) (remember when you said "Fools...") and his immediate entourage backers (Gold Fever Syndrome) and the businessmen trying to put this all together, could create its own power source. You can spend 10 years developing a device, one year on initial financing, two years on patenting and one year on manufacturing to stock up your inventory. Congratulations, you have now done 15% of the work. The remaining 85% is running and growing the business while avoiding costly mistakes.
In a scale from 1 to 10 for the level of scrutiny afforded a potential OU device, if an OU unit has a battery the level is 10, if it does not, it can go anywhere from 1 to 6. This is my experience. I guess SM wanted to cut through the fat by using a magnet, since his energy subset was already a magnetic field.
All well and done I still think your demo is remarkable as an initial concept and only hope that one day you can talk to someone who has a better video camera to do your presentation. A badly presented silent video could do more damage than no video at all. So I do think there needs to be some effort in presenting. That's where maybe someone else who has a good grasp on how others will perceive the presentation may be required to assist you. Hopefully you can find someone like that. Unfortunately SM did not and we lost most of the definition of his videos with black unit on black background settings. What a shame. What a loss.
Granted, I think that Sherlock kind of set you off and you quickly produced a video to make your other point. You should not let these guys get to you. Relax, take a few breaths, remember the goal, focus on the goal. The rest of us will act as your guards to block off the tacklers.
@Sherlock
As for Sherlock, I like the story... it is fiction. You can get away with a lot when writing fiction, but when it is directly aiming to ridicule someone, that's kind of tacky. Maybe you should apply to write for The Daily Show or start your own web site called Tales of the OU Universe.
@Sparkma
So your current stature in your retirement years gives you the right to be a major whip ass. I guess you had the R&D department whipping away, results were sent to the marketing department for presentation preparation, as well as sending it to the copy writing department for press releases and technical writing, then forwarded to the legal department for liability assessment, then forwarded to the patenting department for immediate patenting, then forwarded to administration for final green light on manufacturing, etc., etc. So try and do all that yourself. No one is an expert in everything. Inventors are not marketing people and I would rarely give them high marks on public relations, demos, etc. But given your supposed experience, you of all people should know that respect of ones limitations is paramount, so I guess that given your arrogant Big Mac demanding method compared to what you have stated about your former position is impossible. You don't get results by being a whip ass. Lesson #1 - You want respect, show some respect. People here fund their own designs, spend their own money, work for their own money to spend, spend their time reading, learning, testing, failing, failing, building, tearing down, buidling again, and again, all on their own dime. Welcome to the real world. So the last thing they need is a whip ass.
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Wattsup:
Due diligence was the point. Maybe you missed that. As for my relationship with my associates, I rolled up my sleeves and worked right along side them, had a totally open door policy, and was loved and respected by them, mostly because I bucked management most of the time and fought for their benefit, even risking my employment in this.
When management wanted extra hours out of the engineering team, I insisted that they would not work extra hours without extra pay, as they were professionals, just like doctors and lawyers who refuse to work without pay. I insisted to management that my engineers had families at home and would not be taken away from their families without adequate compensation. Extra hours were then established by volunteer only and with full overtime pay.
When was the last time you got free time from a doctor or lawyer?
Management always attempts to make migrant laborers out of skilled engineers. This demeans the profession and if you give in to it you are guilty of the same.
So you see, you know nothing about me so stop guessing. You make a fool out of yourself. Maybe you are a whip ass, you seem to know a lot about the subject.
Regards, Sparkman
Quote from: wattsup on December 10, 2006, 04:27:12 PM
@Turbo
Granted, I think that Sherlock kind of set you off and you quickly produced a video to make your other point. You should not let these guys get to you. Relax, take a few breaths, remember the goal, focus on the goal. The rest of us will act as your guards to block off the tacklers.
hi wattsup, thanx 4 posting :)
actually i liked the sherlock holmes story so much and i was making progress so i decided to post it here :)
@sparkman, whatsup, turbo, &co
to quote N.Tesla
"Fights between individuals, as well as governments and nations, invariably result from misunderstandings in the broadest interpretation of this term. Misunderstandings are always caused by the inability of appreciating one another's point of view. This again is due to the ignorance of those concerned, not so much in their own, as in their mutual fields. The peril of a clash is aggravated by a more or less predominant sense of combativeness, posed by every human being. To resist this inherent fighting tendency the best way is to dispel ignorance of the doings of others by a systematic spread of general knowledge. With this object in view, it is most important to aid exchange of thought and intercourse." (http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Nikola_Tesla)
Please do not continue to disaggregate each other. It may be helpful to post a summary zip with videos, texts and image files of the current development status here and in other forums.
regards, dani
cranking up the intrigue.....here it comes!
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Hi Turbo !
WOW !!!!
Your new video is really amazing !
Such a brightness of the 75 Watts bulbs from
just such a small Lithium cell for such a long time !
It is really Super ! Wow,
I guess I can?t sleep tonight and I will only
ponder, how you did this...
Now we can see, that it is not just a short
discharge but seems to be real usable power...
Please can you tell us more ?
Will you go soon public ?
Please all, don?t "hit" on Turbo so quick,
as it takes time to document all the effects
and he probably likes to play around
with his new toys more likely, than to write
documentation..
but a few more words would be very nice Turbo,
so please let your heart speak and give us
poor soles some more hints, so we can sleep again,
without pondering too much, how you did it...
Anyway, how did you modify this Tesla coil ?
You must have a real powerful high frequency AC
on your one wire output, otherwise this 75 Watts bulb would
not glow this bright.
Will you post some more tips or some simple steps to
modify these standard ? Tesla coils ?
Where could such a Tesla coil be got from ?
Maybe a good thing to start could also be to modify such
a PC 12 Volts to around 1000 Volts AC converter,
which is used for these cold cathode fluorescent tubes,
which are nowadays used to MOD a PC case with some
light effects.
These 12 Volts DC to around 25 Khz AC 1000 Volts
converters are also pretty efficient.
Regards, Stefan.
Ok now that you asked no, I am not X or Dave. AhuraMazda is my stage name and I will try to be true to the spririt of Ahuramazda. Sorry no sermon here but look it for yourself.
Dave has kindly donated a coil to me and here it is:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,1761.msg19787.html#msg19787
He has done this a lot longer than me and I will try to do him pride.
I shall publish all my findings.
The following comments are based on my gut feeling and what I've read.
I believe you need proper uController for this project. Think of it like flying a kite one day you take your kite to the park and it flies beautiful and next day nothing. Probably this is why a o lot of people in this field fail at their demos from time to time Coller, Hendershot etc.
There are no magic frequencies. The resonant frequency of each coil has to be found. A u-controlled coil can be interacted with using commands to set the different frequencies and pulse widths etc.
If you are getting involved in this project you should have dedication, experience in electronic/electrical software design, physics and money and equipment.
As for me the ideas have not yet gelled in my mind but before you put soldering iron to the PCB have a plan.
Make friends along the way and share information and results. Decide up front whether you want to be a driver or a passenger. If you submit information that you are not sure of, say so. The worst kind of people on these forms are the ones that spread other peoples rumours as fact.
I am not good at PCB design but software is my forte and if we come to a concensus about a board we can share the same board design and software so that people who are not good at software design can still use the board with out hasle. I am not promising at the moment but I may design this board in the future. I have a few ARM boards but they are a bit of overkill for this application and I find it difficult coming down to a PIC.
Best wishes
AM
I forgot, Alex has aso kindly donated a PCB. A 555 based board provides a start and you can still run trials with it. Take note of attension to detail like heat sinks etc.
AM
Hi Alex,
maybe you can make a few more 555er boards and
sell them over here ?
I would also like to buy one.
If several people would use that,
we can compare the results much easier,
so please post a price, for what you
would sell a kit or a completed checked board.
Any other one doing a uControler board ?
MrAmos ?
I would also later buy one of these.
Many thanks.
Regards, Stefan.
@Turbo,
Can you describe in detail what we just saw in operation on your video clip when you turned on the clear light bulb please?
Thank you.
its very shiny .. peck peck peck ...
is mflynn =>> turbo ???
or did turdo just recieve a video from mflynn and post it here ???
Regards,
Dean
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please everyone send final over unity results (actual working over unity/free energy prototypes) to the Open Source Communities...Start with www.OpenSource.org and do a search on open source communities etc...
Hello Stefan,
sorry for not posting the answer to you, I was over the weekend in Germany.
Thing are sooo fast moving in my work with my TPU and it would be wrong to post pictures in this moment.
I was able to light a light bulb 220V/60W to half of the brightness.
Input power 12V/950mA. I hope soon...
Regards
Otto
i guess we all read the story of the bird sitting on the high tension line. :)
for those who did'n read it yet, i will post it again and then this will be all for a while.
it's a story out of the works of Nicola Tesla.
The bird sitting on a high tension line.
The bird sits on the high tension line without a flow of mass electricity, because there is no significant difference in potential drop between the bird and the line.
Specially, between the birds two feet, each in contact with a diffrent portion of the line, there exists no potential diffrence.
This is true even though, with respect to the vacuum, each foot is at a potential that would be "100.000 volts higher" were a mass current flowing.
And its true even though the absolute potential of each foot may be some 200.1 million "volts", were a mass current flowing.
Now an intresting thing happens to the bird when he flies trough the air to light upon the high tension wire.
As he flies toward the wire, he is flying through the massless electrostatic potentional field of the wire.
The electrostatic potentional field is actually the spatio-temporal intensity of the massless charge at a point.
In other words, as the bird flies to the wire, he flies into an increasing "massless charge" potentional, building up to 100.000 "volts" higher than the earth.
However, verry little (if any) "mass flow" potentional diffrence is experienced upon his body in aproaching the wire, and so essentially no "charged mass currents" are induced in his body.
Thus the little flier safly navigates into the teeth of a verry high electrostatic potential, lights upon the wire, and is not "fried" in the process.
When he lights on the wire, his body is immersed in an increased flux of massless charge-which is what the electrostatic potentional represents.
And each "virtual particle" flow in that charge potentional represents a "massless (scalar)" electrical current.
my bird....
:)
The point is, one can have any amount of massless charge flow-"scalar"current- without any mechanical work being done in the system.
All electrical work in a circuit is done against the physical mass of the charged masses that flow.
Rigorously, force is defined as the time rate of charge of momentum.
Even in the relativistic case where F = ma + v(dm/dt), change of momentum requiers mass movement.
No mechanical work, and hence no energy, is expended by massles charge flow.
That is why the vacuum massless charge -which is composed of a verry high flux of massless "particles" -normally does no work on our systems, and expends none of its verry high "potentional energy"
It is exactly the same as the bird which flew into an increasing scalar field as it approached the high tension wire- no work was done upon the bird by the increasing scalar flux currents encountered by its body.
By existing "in the vacuum" , so to speak, we (the whole earth) are as birds sitting on a high tension line!
Untill we create significant diffrence in a potential, via our present electromagnetic circuits, no current can flow- anywhere.
Even if we produce potential to flow, if we wish to produce mechanical work.
Presently our electromagnetic theory allows us to create a diffrence in potential within diffrent parts of the circuit, but only by moving and shifting charged mass.
We therefore have to do work on this electrical mass in moving it around, and we only get back the work we have put into the circuit.
In other words, presently all we do is "pump" electrical mass.
Now notice what would happen to the bird on the line if we substantially "pulsed" the potentional on the line.
Suppose we "pulsed" it such that the birds physical system--conciderd as a cicuit containing a capacitance, a resistance, an inductance, and many free electrons-- became resonant to the pulsing frequency.
In that case the "bird system"would resonate, and a great deal of electrical mass would surge back and forth in the body of the bird.
In the birds body, voltage would exist, charged mass current would flow, work would be done, and the bird would be electrocuted.
there it is.
Now we can also have a "bird circuit" not only having a capacitance, inductanse and free electrons, but we can have a "bird circuit" which itself is oscillating , in fact we can have all kind of situations.
i was also wondering why nobody seemed to be intrested in the transmitter part....(exept for dave and kingrs) :).
we want to get rid of the transmitter.
it seems these phenomena occurs when high voltage, high frequencys, open system, resonance are involved.
also, im starting to believe it's not about the number of turns but the amount of metal used in some parts, for collecting charge from the environment.
Turbo
I do have a few questions about the transmitter/receiver. Did you try to get the amount of metal used in the primary equal the secondary? I'm guessing that this isn't required. Have you used the receiver setup with opposite wound coils for the transmitter? What are you using for the input? In most of the documents&videos I have seen it involves some sort of pulses via a quinched spark gap(magnetic, rotating or gas) to keep things going in one direction.
They are eating it up now. As Dave said "He's got them right where he wants them"
Otto,
You tease.
AM
Quote from: bluedemon on December 11, 2006, 07:54:15 AM
I do have a few questions about the transmitter/receiver. Did you try to get the amount of metal used in the primary equal the secondary? I'm guessing that this isn't required. Have you used the receiver setup with opposite wound coils for the transmitter? What are you using for the input? In most of the documents&videos I have seen it involves some sort of pulses via a quinched spark gap(magnetic, rotating or gas) to keep things going in one direction.
hi :) the spark gap can be replaced by a sharp switching supply.
its high voltage high frequency.
im still looking for the best set to increase distance.
T.
Quote from: sparkman on December 11, 2006, 09:13:27 AM
Without all the gobbldegook here is a simplification of turbo's setup
A high frequency oscillating field was setup between an overhead aluminum plate (alu.jpg) and ground (the earth)
Wrong
Quote from: sparkman on December 11, 2006, 09:13:27 AM
This was produced by a high voltage automotive ignition coil driven by a rather large transistor oscillator circuit. The transistor is on the aluminum plate next to the ignition coil. The large battery bank is below the aluminum heatsink. (mainsupply.jpg) Notice the red cliplead from the high tension output of the ignition coil goes up to the aluminum plate (alu.jpg)
Wrong
Quote from: sparkman on December 11, 2006, 09:13:27 AM
The oscillating electric field formed a capacitive divider between the overhead plate and earth.
The resonant circuit 6a.jpg with it's capacitive sphere absorbed most of the energy in the oscillating field.
Wrong
Please stop explaing what is not true.
Like i said, you don't know nothing at all.
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Hi Turbo,
Is it:
The HT is created by a TV HT transformer that has an inbuilt diode and will create a high voltage DC field (25,000 volts) around the aluminium sheet.
This must then somehow concentrate the background pulsing logitudinal waves towards the aluminium sphere.
The pancake coils at the bottom set up a tuned resonating circuit with the background energy and the iron wire on the upright pillar forms the collector coil.
The charge built up in the coil must be some kind of AC (reference to bird landing on the wire) and this is used to light the lamp.
I would say that the power used by the TV HT coil was less than 75 watts, a lot less.
After all, it is only a DC field, it is not doing any work that I can think of.
If I didn't know any better then I would say that there is a lot of similarities between this and the Thesta Distatica.
That used rotating acrylic disks to create the HV DC, and the rest Turbo already has working.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Testatika
Whats the bet that this (Testatika) operates on a resonating frequency of 7.8Hz
Regards
Rob
Marco left angry (from the master of magnetics thread) deleted all his posts there, vowed to get even and came back with a vengeance. ;)
He is laughing in his beer!
And they are eating it up!
"like lemmings going over the cliff"
Hi all ;)
Very interresting Otto ...
If you get like 30W on the output for only 11.4W at input
you have then reach a COP from 2.63 !! :o
I hope you give us some more details soon ;D
Regards.
Hi Sparkman,
You forgot to attach your pdf, maybe it was this poor poor hosting provider.
Rob
"there's a sucker born every minute"
I think Otto has achieved this by taking outputs from some of the collectors and feeding back to other control coils to begin the feedback loop. This is the next stage once you know which frequencies to use.
We are all waiting for details, but I think Otto is working very hard all day and trying many tests, so he will post when he can.
D.
Hi,
This will make you laugh:
http://www.k-meyl.de/de/Shop/shop.html
Sperical electrodes right:
http://www.etzs.de/onlineshop/product_info.php?products_id=16
Price 120 euros
Cheaper version:
http://www.plumbworld.co.uk/346-99
Price less than a euro.
Seeing the customers face when he realizes the 800 Euro kit will not work at over-unity - priceless, and for everything else there's Mastercard.
Hmmm, obviously was so "bogged" down in research that the idea of value for money went straight down the "pan".
Hi Sparkman,
I suppose he could use a TV HT coil, but it depends if the receiver requires a pulsed tranmitter.
Regards
Rob
He left angry (from the master of magnetics thread) deleted all his posts there, vowed to get even and came back with a vengeance. ;)
He is laughing in his beer!
"there's a sucker born every minute"
Quote from: sparkman on December 11, 2006, 11:47:34 AM
Marco, it is not gentlemanly to call someone wrong without explaining where they are wrong.
You said:
Quotenow when we look at the name of the device, tesla's magnifying transmitter, and we wonder why he called it this way , the awnser would be simple.
it's because the reciever puts out more energy then is deliverd to the tranmitter.
so basicly we can say that a tesla magnifying transmitter in proper operation is an overunity device.
[/b]
Wrong, wrong, and wrong again.
Tesla named his transmitter a magnifying transmitter because it magnifies voltage not power. In the same way a magnifying lens can make an image larger or a transmission can increase speed (not power). The amount of solar energy arriving at a lens and the amount focused to a point is exactly the same (minus losses) The Tesla coil is a resonant transmission line and obeys all the standard rules for transmission lines including increasing voltage at resonance at the open end and (clue) at the driven end
You have been reading too much Konstantin Meyl. His work can be debunked in short order. He makes obvious and serious mistakes in confusing the voltage (or brightness) of the LED's with real power.
Now don't get me wrong, I think it's fine that Konstantin Meyl makes a living selling demonstrater kits (he sells for $$$$) that involve transmitting RF power. When he claims more real power arrives at the reciever than is output at the transmittrer (as witnessed by his LED's) he is making a very serious power measurement error. He gets around this with many disclaimers in meylkit.pdf.
If his work was real and Marco's last statement is true, we should all easily have free energy and the hunt is over.
Marco, where is your overunity device, it should be easy from your above statements, neophyte!
I have attached the meylkit.pdf for others to read. Let's see how many bright people can spot the errors. I will post later.
well sparkman ,
Do you think it's gentlemany to call someone faulty without ever having a clue of whats going on and therefore publishing wrong explenations because you think you know it all?
However finally an intresting respond from you.
But you are wrong again.
i will explain:
The tesla MT , the meyl kit , with it's very serious power measurement error is still not tuned to the cosmos.
you just don't seem to get the idea of the whole thing.
which is finally suceed in tapping nature sources.....
If we suceed this will ALWAYS RESULT IN OVERUNITY
Yet instead of adding important information to this devellopment with your " scientific brain " you decide to pollute this topic with telling you know how everything works, not realizing you are terrible wrong.
What is wrong with folowing the experiments of the geniouses from the past and sharing your findings, rebuilding their experimental setups ,continuing their work?
Really dude, whats your problem?
Quote from: kingrs on December 11, 2006, 10:46:34 AM
Hi Turbo,
Is it:
The HT is created by a TV HT transformer that has an inbuilt diode and will create a high voltage DC field (25,000 volts) around the aluminium sheet.
This must then somehow concentrate the background pulsing logitudinal waves towards the aluminium sphere.
The pancake coils at the bottom set up a tuned resonating circuit with the background energy and the iron wire on the upright pillar forms the collector coil.
The charge built up in the coil must be some kind of AC (reference to bird landing on the wire) and this is used to light the lamp.
I would say that the power used by the TV HT coil was less than 75 watts, a lot less.
After all, it is only a DC field, it is not doing any work that I can think of.
If I didn't know any better then I would say that there is a lot of similarities between this and the Thesta Distatica.
That used rotating acrylic disks to create the HV DC, and the rest Turbo already has working.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Testatika
Whats the bet that this (Testatika) operates on a resonating frequency of 7.8Hz
Regards
Rob
hi, rob :)
thank you for responding.
i will explain:
in a grounded circuit all voltage potentials will normally "leak" away towards ground.
Ground is assumed negative.
a few post back i explaind i turned the normal system up side down.
The upper aluminium sphere is a highly negative (independant from earth) floating ground...
in one of my experiments i noticed sparks flying off my fingers to a negative terminal without feeling a shock....this made me think.
Ground itself can become positive , depending on its opposite.
actually i don't like the word ground anymore but by lack of finding a better description i leave it that way.
i think in terms like : " earth ground " , " setup ground " , " local ground " , " temporairy ground " , " switching ground " etc..
now those are quite a few competly diffrent things.
imagine happens when there is a point were we have more independent grounds, if the charges differ one of them has to be called "positive" .
my living room looks a bit like a giant cold vacuum tube.
Turbo
people get what they deserve.
Hi There
Been following this for some time now and thought I would relate some info that may or may not help, but will indeed supply food for thought. A gentleman I work with was in charge of R&D for a company useing higher voltage DC batteries systems. The charger for these used a Toroid 110/220 to 96/136 out. Bridge from there to the batts. They had to add a resistor from a second AC feed to be applied prior to full AC powerup to keep the inrush from popping the breaker "Sometimes" ps: ...no DC load... A toroid guru was consulted and said this was normal because the transformer was trying catch up to the stage of the phase already present in the transformer. "Oh ya we had to do that in the hospitals too, just a weird thing about some of our toroids". Well to me it sounds like this Toroid had continued to "run" to remember its Phase after having AC removed. I am trying to get a hold of that specific toroid, dont know yet. Just an interesting thing I thought I would pass on. I am working on one now I will pass on any results.
Quote from: sparkman on December 11, 2006, 12:52:20 PM
In response to post 85 from Marco
As a matter of fact, yes Mr. Marco, especially when that someone has been as misleading, cryptic and fraudulent as you have been.
You prop yourself on paper mache pillars and act too important for your britches.
And you lead people to spend good money on worthless baby Tesla coil kits that brag of free energy. This money can be better spent on their children.
Grow up Mr. Marco, and learn how to debate your opponent skillfully or give up and climb back into your hole.
Your beard has been pulled off! Neophyte!
sorry, i don't have a beard.... ;D
when did i tell anyone to spend money? ???
i could type a bunch more , but you are just not worth it :)
i can use the energy and time to go on with my coils.
lemmings continue to go over the cliff!
Ok I'll take a swing!
The bird on a wire taken literally is a tank circuit shown as A,B, or C the avremenko plug- Im guessing B. In the picture the label "PD" indicates the Potential Difference or voltage travelling along a wire and how it relates to the birds feet. As you can see, the lower bird will intercept a larger PD and fry, barbeque. So your HV coil sends a sharp spike down the line, the birds feet placement as a time function of the primary frequency determines the PD in the bird as a whole. And if the bird was resonant with the primary frequency you would have useful power as a pumped mass in the bird but it would not use power persay as you are not pumping mass(charge) in the primary to any extent, it would only produce a small phase change in the primary.
The question is primary power? Do you use a spark gap to isolate the primary circuit in resonance with many "birds feet" secondary circuits?
I would do as tesla would have, make the primary a tank circuit, the HV coil and Cap form this with many "birds feet" secondaries. One of the secondaries again as a time function of the primary is tapped back to the primary coil input with some type of regulation device to limit max voltage. Preferably a step down transformer, parallel cap and voltage regulator Im guessing.
Am I even close here?
Quote from: sparkman on December 11, 2006, 01:06:32 PM
Quotesorry, i don't have a beard....
Not any more, professori !
p.s. if you are nice, we'll let you be the man behind the curtain next month
never had ;D
i will never give up ;)
Sparkman,
You never answered my question about spiral bifilar coils and uni-directional discharges? If you would be so kind, I would love to know any results you may have obtain during your Tesla research and also your thoughts on Tesla Radiant Energy, or does this just obey normal rules too? Or perhaps Tesla didnt know what he was talking about and you can tell us why?
Regards,
Dave.
Hi Turbo,
I understood what your experiment was about, all I had to do was read the thread.
(seems many people just can?t follow it for some reason)
You even mentioned that the goal was to remove the transmitter part.
And your receiver is unique as far as I?ve seen and sending out a field as well.
Great stuff.
@ Sparkman
is that you Sterling and company? Or magnetic power?
Cliff,
If you look closely in the video, you can see Marco is using an transmission line arranged for LMD, where the magnetic and electric components are IN PHASE contra to the norm.
Perhaps Sparkman can tell us why?
Its time for some real comments and stop all this bitching, like a bunch of women at a mothers meeting.
D.
Quote from: allcanadian on December 11, 2006, 01:08:32 PM
Ok I'll take a swing!
The bird on a wire taken literally is a tank circuit shown as A,B, or C the avremenko plug- Im guessing B. In the picture the label "PD" indicates the Potential Difference or voltage travelling along a wire and how it relates to the birds feet. As you can see, the lower bird will intercept a larger PD and fry, barbeque. So your HV coil sends a sharp spike down the line, the birds feet placement as a time function of the primary frequency determines the PD in the bird as a whole. And if the bird was resonant with the primary frequency you would have useful power as a pumped mass in the bird but it would not use power persay as you are not pumping mass(charge) in the primary to any extent, it would only produce a small phase change in the primary.
The question is primary power? Do you use a spark gap to isolate the primary circuit in resonance with many "birds feet" secondary circuits?
I would do as tesla would have, make the primary a tank circuit, the HV coil and Cap form this with many "birds feet" secondaries. One of the secondaries again as a time function of the primary is tapped back to the primary coil input with some type of regulation device to limit max voltage. Preferably a step down transformer, parallel cap and voltage regulator Im guessing.
Am I even close here?
hi allcanadian , :)
Yes , it looks verry much like it,
exept for i use no spark gap, no voltage regulators.
and my bird isn't sitting on the line no more it's between lines.
before this setup indeed i was into the avremenko plug with strong diodes this was when i noticed the negative potential.
Turbo.
Hello Turbo
After I posted I realized I don't like any of the secondaries here is a better one I think.
This is pure BS, I can take a 1.5 volt NiMH battery and hook it into what is basically a stepping power supply and power anything for a short amount of time. SM took 60 of those non-rechargeable batteries and directly powered stuff bypassing his stepping power supply later on. A battery will supply as much current as you ask before it burns out, there is no limiter except for the leads burning out.
I take my 1.5 volts and put a 555 timer on it and pulse it to 8-9khz, now I can use very very small step-up transformers only requiring one turn of wire as the primary and as many on the secondary as needed for the voltage needed. 10 turn secondary means 1.5 x 10 volts = 15 volts.. the tesla coil and the tesla transmitter means it's now in the thousands of volts at 8-9k frequency. Yes, I can power that bulb for a very short time. Spend about 400 bucks and buy 60 or so of those NIMH watch batteries and tape them together and you have a 100volt 1.5 or so amp battery pack that can power things for about 30 minutes or so, but totally unrechargeable.
Quote from: sparkman on December 11, 2006, 12:52:20 PM
In response to post 85 from Marco
As a matter of fact, yes Mr. Marco, especially when that someone has been as misleading, cryptic and fraudulent as you have been.
You prop yourself on paper mache pillars and act too important for your britches.
And you lead people to spend good money on worthless baby Tesla coil kits that brag of free energy. This money can be better spent on their children.
Grow up Mr. Marco, and learn how to debate your opponent skillfully or give up and climb back into your hole.
Your beard has been pulled off! Neophyte!
Please Sparkman,
just accept, although you have been director of Research and Developemt
for 30 years with probably too much money spent into the wrong directions,
that you did not achive in 30 years with your 15 engineers,
what Marco has achived now in a few weeks of time!
Please don?t be this rude to him and quit to hit on him !
Marco has really achieved something now, that just needs
to be researched in a serious manner and
does not need to be ridiculed or hammered on !
Please behave as the Pro you quoted yourself to be !
Many thanks for your cooperation.
Marco, please continue with your research and keep
us updated with your next steps.
Many thanks Marco, for sharing this all with us !
Have a nice evening.
Regards, Stefan.(admin)
Quote from: roggy32 on December 11, 2006, 02:33:10 PM
This is pure BS, I can take a 1.5 volt NiMH battery and hook it into what is basically a stepping power supply and power anything for a short amount of time. SM took 60 of those non-rechargeable batteries and directly powered stuff bypassing his stepping power supply later on. A battery will supply as much current as you ask before it burns out, there is no limiter except for the leads burning out.
I take my 1.5 volts and put a 555 timer on it and pulse it to 8-9khz, now I can use very very small step-up transformers only requiring one turn of wire as the primary and as many on the secondary as needed for the voltage needed. 10 turn secondary means 1.5 x 10 volts = 15 volts.. the tesla coil and the tesla transmitter means it's now in the thousands of volts at 8-9k frequency. Yes, I can power that bulb for a very short time. Spend about 400 bucks and buy 60 or so of those NIMH watch batteries and tape them together and you have a 100volt 1.5 or so amp battery pack that can power things for about 30 minutes or so, but totally unrechargeable.
Roggy, you can do this with batteries,
but in the case of the Steven Mark TPU,
there were just no batteries !
It is just a matter of the right coil configurations !
Regards, Stefan.
allright
I have finished the 555 board and completed my first tpu test unit.
after work I will begin testing. I must say the 555 circuit has three nice clean square waves up to 200khz :)
I will post any progress
cheers
Mike
Hey roggy32
I made just such a comment in an earlier post, I could fake this in my sleep,too easy.
The problem here is this is based on Tesla's work, to say this cannot be done is to suppose you are smarter than tesla, you know Tesla with thousands of patents, who invented our AC grid power system single handedly, invented radio-yes radio, remote control , logic gates and the list goes on. Are you saying your smater than Nikola Tesla?
I didn't think so, there is always a possibility anyone could get what Tesla did right, by chance-by luck you cannot deny it is impossible.
[EDIT] Deleted.
1) Light up some light bulbs in some crappy videos
2) Talk some nonsense, cut and paste some Tesla thrown in for effect. Keep it obscure, talk about little birdies.
3) Dangle all this in front of people
4) Never release anything resembling documentation
5) Call anyone who challenges you "stupid" "fools" or "you know nothing"
6) Do some more crappy videos with light bulb tricks
7) Talk about "development process"
8) Fade back out of town, leaving a mystery.
Sparkman your comments are still offtopic and
rude.
You seem not to be able to communicate ontopic
and have a topic oriented discussion.
Regards, Stefan.
Next posting will be an analysation ,how I think
Turbo is doing it...
Hi All!
I tried to replicate the TPU effect, based on the patent. I couldn' fnd any toroidal ferrite core, but i made it from 4 pieces of "X"-shaped core.
I glued that with fast glue.
http://www.hvlabs.hu/zpe/tpu/sajat/IMG_3847.JPG
http://www.hvlabs.hu/zpe/tpu/sajat/IMG_3846.JPG
What happens with Lenz's law? :) The coils are in 90 degrees...
The output power is small, but very dependent of the place of the NEO magnets. The output cap makes a series res. circuit. (removed, not necessary)
I drive it in PP mode (2x 18 turns) from 12V battery, and a TL494+2 FET circuit. (you can find it the inverter section on my webpage)
Another interesting thins is that, the input power is not depends on the output load. But at first I measured COP<1... :(
Regards:
Ros-Co.
QuoteNext posting will be an analysation ,how I think
Turbo is doing it...
Already did that in reply #76, Mr. Moderator
QuoteSparkman your comments are still offtopic and
rude.
This thread was the Sherlock Mystery
It got invaded by the "Turbo Replication" people
Talk about off topic.
Adios
p.s I left you all some clues Re: SM. have fun!
Quote from: sparkman on December 11, 2006, 03:55:25 PM
Well folks, this will be my last post. I will no longer try to awaken sleeping people. I tried to bring the truth to this thread, even the moderator does not appreciate truth.
Stefan: is the revenue from the advertising that important to you?
Keeping the intrigue going generates $$$$$ in traffic.
Have fun in romper room, you will get nothing from me.
Maybe Steve and I will have a good laugh and a drink over it.
Adios Amigos.
p.s. I'm sure he isn't happy having the Steve Marks TPU site derailed. This work belongs in half baked ideas.
stephan, can you move this thread to half baked ideas...
he is right about that.
i wonder how steve feels when he finds out there are more easy ways to do it..... or when he realizes he took the long road.
you two laugh and a drink over that, while yelling " FULL DISCLOSURE" to me showing nothing yourselves, giving the folks such a hard time..... PRICELESS.
come to think of it,
Quote from: sparkman on December 11, 2006, 12:52:20 PM
And you lead people to spend good money on worthless baby Tesla coil kits that brag of free energy. This money can be better spent on their children.
do you have any idea of how much money is spend on wire in not working tpu's ???
i bet it's one hell of a lot more.
@sparkman,
just relax and have a beer, we will
probably see sooner or later an explanation from
Turbo, how he did it.
@Turbo,
What was this experiment, when sparks were flying
out of your fingers and you did not get any shock ?
Was it high frequency AC high voltage ?
high frequency AC high voltage is said to produce
no shock, as it only flows on the skin. ( skin effect)
Which potential did you touch ?
So your sphere and coil and Lithium battery( bird) is just the receiver ?
I did not get it until you posted the pics with the aluminium sheets
hanging fromyour ceiling.
Is this receiver just needing the Lithium cell battery to just make the exact
tuning for the LC circuits in your "bird" ?
You say the transmitter works like a cold cathode vaccuum tube.
It seems you have a high voltage setup between your ceiling high alufoils
and maybe another alufoil you have setup on your floor.
So you maybe have a high voltage capacitor in which dielelectrium field= air
you have your "bird" sitting.
Maybe you pulse your high voltage alufoils both the ground foil
and the ceiling foil both with the same potential, so the ceiling alufoil
and the floor alufoil are both together once + 25 Kvolts and a few
mikroseconds later both are - 25 KVolts versus the real ground.
(in this case the air in contact with the houseground)
So both alufoils will always be the same potential, but the
potential is changing all the time.
Now if you tune into the changing frequency with your sphere-bird-
LC tank circuit, you might just tap the free electrons from the air
and convert your massless "scalar field" or what you call it into
a mass-having LC tank oscillation, which can do real work
onto the light bulb.
The more alufoil you use, the more "free electrons" you can catch.
Naudin and me also did simular experiments a few years back,
when I played with a 12 Volt DC to high voltage fluorescent driver circuit...
Unfortunately I never tested so much alufoil like you did now
and my potential was only about 1200 Volts... probably too low
to attract more free electrons.
So Turbo,please post more infos.
It is a really interesting unit you have there.
Many thanks.
Regards, Stefan.
I must interupt this current program with a warning to any small children who wish to attempt to catch this bird ..
do not swing your had quickly through the air near the wire as you PD will elevate extrememly quickly and should you make contact with the bird its curtains for the both of you.
Gently gently children...
@Stefan
A much as I admire you, defending turbo at this point of the game is not a good piece of diplomacy, he jumped into this catfight all on his own, we were leaving well enough alone on his thread.
I am wondering what the hell is happening here, this is the turbo light thread, but it seems to be filled with endless nonsensical rants and some rediculous sherlock holmes fantasy?
Did a gang of 12 year olds invade this forum while I wasn't watching or what.
I have a few relevant questions if you wouldn't mind.
-This bird on a wire analogy is that quoted from Tesla, I have never heard that before?
- I have no problem with this concept, but I am wondering can turbo's circuit drive an inductive load in a motor? We know what that mean's scalability to the electric car- is the potential really here?
One way to find out might be to use the inductor of the secondary tank circuit as the stator in a motor, like an SRM, or even a simple 2 pole motor. The tank secondary circuit would simply be opened at register as an attraction motor, then we would have a realistic test of what capability is present.
Last question- When the bulb is lit in this circuit is there an equivalent amount of heat given off as a regular bulb?
Im asking sincere questions here, trying to get some sense of where this technology can go, nothing more.
speaking of half baked ideas ...
Is there anyone amonst you guys that can help me with mine. I am totally crap at using cad software and would really appreciate some help working up some plans for my idea that i want to get machined over the xmas period. I am ready to start spending money again and putting it where my mouth is...
@Dean
If you understand EM theory you would know this bird analogy is pure Tesla and quite frankly I think it is a good analogy. It accurately describes in a simple manner how a circuit could intercept changing potentials in a single wire, possibly with little interaction with the source, Im not sure if you understand this from the tone of your posts.
@Dean
If you understand EM theory you would know this bird analogy is pure Tesla and quite frankly I think it is a good analogy. It accurately describes in a simple manner how a circuit could intercept changing potentials in a single wire, possibly with little interaction with the source, Im not sure if you understand this from the tone of your posts.
@Dean
If you understand EM theory you would know this bird analogy is pure Tesla and quite frankly I think it is a good analogy. It accurately describes in a simple manner how a circuit could intercept changing potentials in a single wire, possibly with little interaction with the source, Im not sure if you understand this from the tone of your posts.
@Dean
If you understand EM theory you would know this bird analogy is pure Tesla and quite frankly I think it is a good analogy. It accurately describes in a simple manner how a circuit could intercept changing potentials in a single wire, possibly with little interaction with the source, Im not sure if you understand this from the tone of your posts.
Yikes!!
what the hell just happened?
The sm forums are so big they echo every now and then.
I hear Ya
AC,
You got stuck in a time loop and kept repeating yourself. Did you have a dejavu feeling?
AM
the room went dark and I saw naomi watts, does that count?
Quote from: bluedemon on December 11, 2006, 06:33:06 PM
The sm forums are so big they echo every now and then.
echo!
nice word.
there are no transverse waves in the vacuum.
they are longitudional, more sound like waves.
throw a soundwave against a far cliff and it will reflect back.
that's called echo.
now throw the same soundwave against the cliff at the exactly the same time the first one comes back..... they will add to each other.
this is exactly what happens when you hold your microphone too close to the speaker you can't hold it at one point, cause it starts to feed itself, try it.
@ stephan, what can i say more , you just explaind about the whole thing...
the experiment when i noticed the negative potential was when i had set up a 30 Kv setup and i thought i could grab the grounded wire without danger since it was grounded, suddenly there were sparks which just didn't make sense at all.
so basicly im building on that ground right now :)
@allcanadian
----------
-This bird on a wire analogy is that quoted from Tesla, I have never heard that before?
- I have no problem with this concept, but I am wondering can turbo's circuit drive an inductive load in a motor? We know what that mean's scalability to the electric car- is the potential really here?
----------
you need the real ground anyhow so maybe we need to fix superconducting tyers since we cannot hang a wire onto a driving car.
the bulb gets hot just like it normally would.
marco
throw enough shit on a wall and some of will stick too ...
Quote from: dean_mcgowan on December 11, 2006, 08:06:52 PM
throw enough shit on a wall and some of will stick too ...
you be carefull.... in case much comes back ;D
never seen a case of over-poo-nity validated as yet :D
HI Guys,
Please stop this war of words. I think all of us here are adult enough for this kinda game. ;D
Anyway, if I may suggest something here, it seem that for those who not in favor of Turbo's idea, they could submit their own "working" idea of their own device and let other see it and discuss about it. Rather than spending time, energy and money try to debunk Turbo's idea.
I'm sure all of you guys are much more capable than Turbo himself. And that for sure can help in spreading and sharing information among us. Expediting the course of finding the true OU.
Regards,
Quote from: dean_mcgowan on December 11, 2006, 08:06:52 PM
throw enough shit on a wall and some of will stick too ...
Dean, that?s your constructive criticism?
very intelligent of you.
working ideas ???
That would be great, though maybe we should have some means of graduating the ideas submitted based on some democratic process.
You know like .. at least have the modesty to submit a half baked idea in the appropriate forum and then allow for the idea to mature. Not submit a fake imitation to a forum and give no supporting evidence of your results, with a title that goes like wow i have finally done it look here, then claim that someone else named the forum for them.... yada yada yada
Yes lets put some protocol in here to help maintain some integrity, though the admin has neither the will or the desire to take the wheel on this issue.. might hurt sales ..:(
besides .. he started it :P
Quote from: dean_mcgowan on December 11, 2006, 08:47:14 PM
never seen a case of over-poo-nity validated as yet :D
well, maybe you didn't try hard enough ;D
maybe i just work smarter not harder :P
@Dean
speaking of supporting evidence?
Based on your rants you must have plenty of hard evidence to support your position on turbo's claims?
Oh but this is the internet, you don't know turbo, you have never seen his work, you would never have a clue what he may have done.
So all this hot air, your rants are based on nothing .
Or maybe you tried to replicate turbo's machine? No
So your claims are essentially baseless, Grow up
Hi All,
There are lot other thing that we can argue and disassociate, but there a lot of thing that we could achieve and progress if we could put aside our differences and argument and work together.
Please don't let others be casualties of "war". :(
As they said, "There are no silly question, than the question it-self." And there are a lot more to find rather than we arguing of others that not suit to our ways.
Regards,
p/s:
There are so many ways to achieve a triumph and so many ways to a failure. You'll learn and re-learn.
Wheres the goddam next chapter sherlock .. the suspense is creating anarchy within the group ..lol
AC,
Turbo has been asked a million questions and has done nothing to answer any of them other than post some new video from mflynn44 and stand by his right to talk shite.. so let him talk it all on his own, and i will keep rubutting him until he puts forward something I havent seen in 1000 different documents in a myriad of combobulations that not one person is alive or has the intestinal fortitude to stand up and be counted and prove. deepest regards to the dead people who kept their secrets to their grave btw ..
AC,
And if you have so much spare time, go and pick the shit out of my "original" idea in the half baked ideas section.
I'm just glad Hart helped shut sparkman up. What a tool! Good show!
Hello all,
I just lost a post, I will try again
My input power was 12,5V/950mA from the power supply measured with a ANALOG voltmeter and ANALOG ampermeter.
The signals measured on my 60W light bulb was around 160V and without bulb around 170V. This was measured with a scope HAMEG 208 (2x80MHz). I did NOT measure the current at my bulb.
Otto
Quote from: dean_mcgowan on December 11, 2006, 06:15:36 PM
speaking of half baked ideas ...
Is there anyone amonst you guys that can help me with mine. I am totally crap at using cad software and would really appreciate some help working up some plans for my idea that i want to get machined over the xmas period. I am ready to start spending money again and putting it where my mouth is...
http://www.emachineshop.com/ (http://www.emachineshop.com/)
Haven't ordered with them before but their software is great for mill/lathe project drafting.
If you need any help regarding design or fabrication of parts I'd be glad to help. Pm me.
Hi Otto,
Good results:
Current through a 60W bulb will be about 0.25A @ 240V RMS (0.25A x 240V = 60W)
Resistance is therefore 960 Ohms (R=V/I , 240V/0.25A = 960R)
Therefore I estimate the current for 160V will be about 0.166A and the power about 26.5 W
This does not take into account the resistance change owing to the heating of the element, so this figure may be completely wrong.
The only real way to find out for sure is a clamp meter.
If the terminal voltage is 170V RMS then it may be worth trying 2 60W lamps and seeing what current and voltage you get.
Ideally you need a set 160V bulbs to test with.;o)
I look forward to your pictures and circuit details.
Regards
Rob
Quote from: konduct on December 11, 2006, 11:41:01 PM
I'm just glad Hart helped shut sparkman up. What a tool! Good show!
Are you kidding me? Turbo was loving that heated spotlight... Look how furiously he posted all that new video documentation. Sparksman's actions and questions inspired turbo to post something new and that makes him ok by me. Plus this thread is a
spoof thread, a yarn on the 1 part soap opera and 2 parts thriller story line that has now poured over to this fake thread too. So basically you people chased off another user for expressing his opinion.
(IN A SPOOF THREAD NONE THE LESS)
:-\ -Congrats?
Just as it is Turbos right to post or not post what ever he chooses,
it is also every other users right to do the same.
Even if you don't agree with it.
Altho lltDaniel's posts make me favor forced censorship. LOL!
"I AM" slightly annoyed...
~Dingus
coil design
Rob,
you are right, of course. I only want something to explain:
I used 3 555 timers as my square waves oscillators. I had the shematic from the web and did not test anything on my oscillators. When I burned 1 of the chips I finally tested my circuits and what I saw was a disaster!! No clean square waves but a lot of everything in the waves. I used new timers but had a bad shematic. Also the frequency could be changed only a few Hz or kHz and of course all was s**t. Even with this wrong setup of the electronics I had good results.
Now Im building an almost profi function generator with 3 oscillators...
Otto
Verry well.... :)
this post is directed to those who are in disbelieve and who think it just doesn't work.
not to the open minded.
You were right all along....i powerd it up with 80 x 3 = 240 volt cr2035 maxell lithium cells.
i have a friend who has a computer supply shop and i borrowd the battery's.
Hello,
please go there to get a schema for your three frequencies pulser
http://oupower.com/index.php?dir=_Other_Peoples_Projects/Bob%20Boyce/Hydroxy%20Gas%20Projects/Control%20Electronics/PWM3E (http://oupower.com/index.php?dir=_Other_Peoples_Projects/Bob%20Boyce/Hydroxy%20Gas%20Projects/Control%20Electronics/PWM3E)
this is from bob boyce and release in public domain.
and there to get the file (yahoo group, inscription needed)
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/Hydroxy/files/Bob%20Boyce%20Files/ (http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/Hydroxy/files/Bob%20Boyce%20Files/)
Software expressPCB is needed to see the file
I'm not sure if all the correct connections are on the Bob Boyce diagram. Have a look down this tread.
http://oupower.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=1059 (http://oupower.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=1059)
You might have to contact Bob directly for the correct wire.
Turbo, really good joke! :D
But you have to explain the disbelievers why the bulb shines with only one wire connected.
On the other hand... where you got so many cells from in this short time... and just to make one kidding post?
Kindly Regards, Markus
No, no pb with the pwm3e schema the bug is about output wiring diagram with a toroid transformer.
Here's me kick butt 3 freq driver, 40us on time per pulse.
@ kings
think about that:
resistance of bulb. filement is very different in temeperature (brigthness.) if hot (white) can be 1 Kohm
if dark (test ouf ! very low) if red ( half voltage , perhaps 500 or 700 ohm - so the power is in any way HIGHER @160V as you calculate it.
@comster.
never use 2N3055 as driver for 2N3055
take 2N3054 (if Load >12 Amps)
Take 2N3053 (If load approx 5 Amp was expected.
Pese
Hello Turbo,
I really want to know how your circuit works.
I tried to make out something by watching your latest videos.
Please would you confirm my presumptions about your driver circuit?
This is the picture I got from your circuit:
You use a basic adjustable sqaurewave generator which drives a MOS FET.
The generator and the FET are located right top on the circuit board, right?
Right at the bottom of the board we see the 3V lithium cell and the switch
for power on the generator.
The 15 big parts on the other side of the circuit board seems to be
a HT-cascade made of high voltage capacitors and diodes, but I am not
sure about that.
Here I need a little help, beacuse if this is really a HT-cascade, then the
wiring of the flat bifilar coil to the cascade seems to be strange for me.
The flat coil is wound as a bifilar coil. The two wires are connected together
in the centre of the coil, right? So it's a two layer bifilar flat coil.
The rest is 'normal' teslacoil stuff.
I made a ragged draw from your setup. Sorry for the low quality, but I am
at work at the moment and I used M$-Paint for it.
(So, I am on stress now, because I have to work instead of painting drawings
and writing messages ;-) )
The more I look at the video, the more I am unbelieving that it is a
HT-cascade. The flat coil is wired with both wires at two pins of the
"the top end" of the cascade. This is strange if it's a cascade... or
did you lay the gnd of the cascade to the top side?
I am not sure where the second wire from the flat coil is connected to.
(see drawing -???-)
Please would you explain what this 15 slant parts are doing if they are
not a cascade?
And I have a further question. In your very first video in this thread you used
a completely different circuit with 3 FETS and without any tesla coil stuff.
Why you changed your design so dramatically?
Sorry, if you already answerd such a question... It is hard for me to
understand some of the long english posts, so I skimmed most of them.
Thank you very much for all you gave away!
You will get standing waves -ups- standing ovations from me! :)
Markus
lol to funny
Hi Otto,
Perhaps you should look at a PWM chip like the TL494, TL594 or the more recent and for me, hard to get hold of TL598.
These are all 16 pin push-pull chips but can be set for push only and give you zero to 89% duty cycle and are suited for driving a MOSFET direct.
Low external component count, stable even when the duty cycle is changed, good output current and works up to 300Khz.
These are fairly cheap, 2 for 1 USD (TL494 & TL598) and just over 1 USD each for the TL598.
www.newark.com if you are in the US
or
www.farnell.com if you are in the UK.
There are 8 pin PWM chips around too, so it may be worth looking at these too, but I can comment from experimenting with the TL494 that it works well. I have used 555 timers in the past too and they OK to a point but are not really made for driving coils like the PWM chips are.
UC3843 chip is 8 pin, 200mA output,500kHz max. but I am not sure what the lower frequency limit is, this would need to be tested
(anyone already have this chip or know its lower limit?)
Regards
Rob
Free Energy has to overcome some serious obstacles.
1) Physics
2) Egos
3) Special Interest
How sad, :'(
I think I'll just go and howl at the moon. It's feels like a pretty sane thing to do after reading this thread.
Then I'll try to replicate Steven marks TPU by gathering some random bits of cable and parts, putting them in a box, shaking the thing up, then holding a 60w light bulb over it to see if it lights up.
That's about as close as I've got after reading all of this. Am I the only one who's feeling completely bemused?
Guys,
I really think we need to be looking at signal sources that can be driven to at least 1 to 2 Mhz. a LMC555 is capable or if the PWM or PIC's are capable then you might want to design them with this frequency capability. I say this since when testing my coils (TPU) the resonant frequency of the multiple control coils have a resonant frequency of around 560Khz. This was checked after the coils were wired together.
This is one of the reasons why I suggested to all to check your inductance and inter coil capacitance values since these will affect the resonant frequencies. Check them and calculate the resonant frequencies.
I have found while monitoring the collectors during multiple configurations of series and parallel connections, that this affects the output, I found a variance of 20Khz at least depending on the wiring configs.
If at all possible please use a sweep generator to check what the sweet spots are of the coils are and their wiring configurations, since this will impact what frequencies you choose to try with your oscillators.
I forgot to mention that with a 10vpp signal source (square wave) that the resonant point provides a 4 to 5 times increase in the collectors output voltage (40 to 60 volts AC). I haven't tried to drive anything with it just yet, still testing coils.
Nect step in the testing will be to add one additional frequency and determine the best frequency and then add the third.
One intersting note is that when the frequency is driven above 100Khz the pulse width seems to be irrelevant, I adjusted the duty cycle down from 50% and found no real change in the output wave form. I did however noticed if I drove it up above 65% it did affect the output.
Hi Carl,
Thank you for the info its useful to know what the limits of testing need to be.
OK the UC28023 will go to 1Mhz, again, not sure about the lower limit.
UCC35706 will go to 4Mhz, but looks a bit different to the others I have mentioned so may or may not be suitable.
So the other option is to look at function generators couple the outputs to MOSFET drivers to drive the MOSFETs and thats it. They are more expensive though.
XR2206 up to 1Mhz, variable duty, needs a MOSFET driver though.
For those with very deep pockets the MAX0838, 0.1 to 20MHz, costs about 13 GBP each.
May be a process of suck it and see.
Regards
Rob
The NE555 and 556 is rated to 100Khz.
On the other hand the CMOS version of the dual 555 timer: TS556 will go up to 2.7MHz.
So there is hope for the 555 timer yet.
Its cheap and chearful and everyone and their mother has got a circuit for it.
Using 2 of these you have 4 different outputs.
I will do some experiments a NE555 to see if I can fix this duty cycle issue.
Regards
Rob
NO!
LOL
SAM
Quote from: SherlockHolmes on December 12, 2006, 11:12:39 AM
Regrettably, there will be no continuance of the Sherlock Holmes tale on this website.
I have been asked to remove the current postings, which will be done shortly.
Damn Muriati
Quote from: EMdevices on December 12, 2006, 11:33:53 AM
Free Energy has to overcome some serious obstacles.
1) Physics
2) Egos
3) Special Interest
How sad, :'(
You forgot Fear on behalf of some long lost members.
Quote from: mramos on December 10, 2006, 03:57:29 PM
Quote from: AhuraMazda on December 10, 2006, 01:16:51 PM
Quote from: Groundloop on December 10, 2006, 12:20:53 PM
I use the PIC16F84A. I use MPLAB to write SW in assembler. I use the design program Eagle version 4.1 for electronic design and pcb layout. I use Microsoft Notepad and Paint to create my web site. :)
Alex,
It is your design but why not use a more powerful PIC like PIC16F877A The are several reasons for my suggestion . You always have room for expansion.
You will have space for incorporating various algorithms, feed back control etc.
You have a USART which one could use for control and monitoring the outputs/inputs.
Because you are not going into mass production, the price difference will not be a hinderance and as it Chritmass I can send you a sample if you want to use it.
Regards
AM
The 16F88 will do all you need, has serial, ADC, IO, more memory (more than you need and speed). The 877 will take up some space as well.
I agree for this type project it makes no matter. But the F88 will be more than enough. I use 12F683 most of the time (or 629/675), 16F88 if I need more pins. Have not really needed the 877 until I built an ICD2..
It is a nice chip for sure. Actually for a TPU a 16F84 will work fine, it is just an older chip. Power saving it not an issue..
Looks like we are getting some hardware guy here finally..
I was thinking of using an 18F2555. It has USB port on it. Not expensive and lots of memory.
That way, I can hook it up to my PC's USB port and play with it using fancy software. I'm still trying to decide how I want to generate the precision infrequencies. If you use counter timer its too chunky at the upper frequencies. I'm seriously looking at the AD7741 synchronous voltage to frequency converter. It will give me the granularity I want and the range I want. However, I need to control it using a DAC, which are cheap enough, but more time to program and set up and dick with. Also, with the AD7741 it only has a 9:1 range of adjustment, which means I must further divide it down using some hardware to get the lower ranges out of it that I want. The hardware is not expensive, but, again, more chips. It would be a nice infrequency generator though. Rock solid stability, fine granularity of adjustment, and USB programmable. You can even build in a frequency counter.
Mike
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Quote from: turbo on December 12, 2006, 06:31:05 AM
Verry well.... :)
this post is directed to those who are in disbelieve and who think it just doesn't work.
not to the open minded.
You were right all along....i powerd it up with 80 x 3 = 240 volt cr2035 maxell lithium cells.
i have a friend who has a computer supply shop and i borrowd the battery's.
So it was a scam all along marco and alias (Sparkman? Dean? Ect).
nothing more than batteries in the column and a HF generator.
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=1789.0;attach=4518
had fun playing in your sandbox?
Now what would you say if I said that I?ve seen real physics that could bend light.
That real physics far beyond what we know is not only possible but has been done.
And not by us.
Is that Otto of the Von Brauns by any chance? :)
Here's a tip. If you don't want to get into driving FETs and transistors then you can use a ULN2003A 7 output pin driver. It can delver 500 mA continuous and 600 mA peek. The ULN2003A is driven with TTL/ CMOS, and it's fairly fast, but not as fast as a FET. But it's cheap and easy to work with.
Quote from: sparksrus on December 12, 2006, 03:21:40 PM
So it was a scam all along marco and alias (Sparkman? Dean? Ect).
nothing more than batteries in the column and a HF generator.
Sparksrus , but please explain how to glow the filament within the bulb only with one wire? A stack of batteries would not really help.
Markus
Sherlock,
I was truly enjoying your story, for it's entertainment value and cleverness. You pen a heck of a good story, and would certainly have no problem selling novels if you ever chose to do so. Pretty good for an EE :P
Real sorry to see you go, and now that you've mentioned there was going to be golden information revealed, it only adds to the blow.
Farewell,
z_p_e
Quote from: GM on December 12, 2006, 03:30:53 PM
Quote from: sparksrus on December 12, 2006, 03:21:40 PM
So it was a scam all along marco and alias (Sparkman? Dean? Ect).
nothing more than batteries in the column and a HF generator.
Sparksrus , but please explain how to glow the filament within the bulb only with one wire? A stack of batteries would not really help.
Markus
Who cares? ask marco,
It was a scam.
Quote from: SherlockHolmes on December 12, 2006, 11:12:39 AM
Regrettably, there will be no continuance of the Sherlock Holmes tale on this website.
I was contacted today, and the offer was withdrawn, due to the carnival and commercial nature of the website, it was deemed "unworthy" and not to the desired standard. I am sorry, it wasn't meant to turn out this way.
I have been asked to remove the current postings, which will be done shortly.
Another member bites the dust...
Soon there will be no one left to speak but the few who blindly believe and the few who have taken the reigns of this forum.
Ever since this SM stuff started pouring in we've been losing members whos posts I actually cared to read daily. I can't imagine I've got much time left here myself. This place has become depressing in its new found
lack of user equality and cooperative community values. The group think atmosphere here will yeild nothing but scams. Good luck.
~Dingus
Quote from: z_p_e on December 12, 2006, 03:34:20 PM
Sherlock,
I was truly enjoying your story, for it's entertainment value and cleverness. You pen a heck of a good story, and would certainly have no problem selling novels if you ever chose to do so. Pretty good for an EE :P
Real sorry to see you go, and now that you've mentioned there was going to be golden information revealed, it only adds to the blow.
Farewell,
z_p_e
>and now that you've mentioned there was going to be golden >information revealed,
you don?t buy that do you? just more crap.
Cliff,
Quote from: sparksrus on December 12, 2006, 03:57:04 PM
Quote from: GM on December 12, 2006, 03:30:53 PM
Sparksrus , but please explain how to glow the filament within the bulb only with one wire? A stack of batteries would not really help.
Markus
Who cares?
Me? :-)
If you believe Turbo's last post competely, you should be able to explain the trick. Or at least be anxious to know how he has done it.
Quote from: sparksrus on December 12, 2006, 03:57:04 PM
ask marco,
It was a scam.
Shit, I forgot. Turbo's last post was made only for sceptics.
Sorry, I better should to have ignore it.
Markus
Just short pulses, right Turbo?
>you should be able to explain the trick
ok,
It?s a TESLA COIL
Hi Mrl,
Thats quite compact, you could use two low power 556 timers and one of these and thats it. Drive two inputs/outputs per timer giving a 1A pulse.
Another more complex alternative is a TPS2812 MOSFET driver for up to 2A peak current, fast switching speeds and very efficient on power use.
You would need two of these as these have dual inputs/outputs plus three MOSFETS for the 3 frequencies in the TPU.
Hi Alex,
There looks to be a ICM7556 dual timer by Intersil that can operate up to 1Mhz too.
Ahh so many choices....
I was considering excluding the power required to generate the pulses and only include the power running through the MOSFETs. This can be quite easily done because the MOSFET can be treated as a seperate circuit.
Regards
Rob
Information so important that it would be hidden?
::)
Quote from: sparksrus on December 12, 2006, 04:59:22 PM
>you should be able to explain the trick
ok,
It?s a TESLA COIL
Well then? This does not explain what we see in the video.
Where are the 80 Lithium cells? How are they connected?
How is a tesla coil able to make a low resistance filament glow but with only one wire? The bulb is not a fluorescent lamp. You will need real power resp. amps to light such a bulb. Low amp high voltage will not work in this case. Connected to tesla coil you would notice only a dark blue fluoresce within the bulb, nothing more.
In my sight this demonstration is really convincing. It shows high amp transmitting or "decoupling from the environment" only by exiting a coil arrangement with much less energy.
If one would ask me to re-create the shown effect with the given parts (including the 80 cells), I would not know how to achieve it! Do you?
Your explanation "It?s a TESLA COIL" explains nothing in the matter of "it is scam".
Markus
Quote from: GM on December 12, 2006, 05:23:55 PM
Quote from: sparksrus on December 12, 2006, 04:59:22 PM
>you should be able to explain the trick
ok,
It?s a TESLA COIL
Well then? This does not explain what we see in the video.
Where are the 80 Lithium cells? How are they connected?
How is a tesla coil able to make a low resistance filament glow but with only one wire? The bulb is not a fluorescent lamp. You will need real power resp. amps to light such a bulb. Low amp high voltage will not work in this case. Connected to tesla coil you would notice only a dark blue fluoresce within the bulb, nothing more.
In my sight this demonstration is really convincing. It shows high amp transmitting or "decoupling from the environment" only by exiting a coil arrangement with much less energy.
If one would ask me to re-create the shown effect with the given parts (including the 80 cells), I would not know how to achieve it! Do you?
Your explanation "It?s a TESLA COIL" explains nothing in the matter of "it is scam".
Markus
No point explaining anything more ,,,
<Insert head banging against a wall smiley>
Cliff,
Quote from: kingrs on December 12, 2006, 05:00:38 PM
Hi Mrl,
Thats quite compact, you could use two low power 556 timers and one of these and thats it. Drive two inputs/outputs per timer giving a 1A pulse.
Another more complex alternative is a TPS2812 MOSFET driver for up to 2A peak current, fast switching speeds and very efficient on power use.
You would need two of these as these have dual inputs/outputs plus three MOSFETS for the 3 frequencies in the TPU.
Regards
Rob
The problem with using TPS2812 is it may not like driving inductive loads due to the inductive kickback. This may destroy the device. Also, it can only deliver 100 mA *continuous* current.
?
< sarcasm >
When a light bulb is in proximity to a tesla coil it lights...
:o - SUPRISE!
< /sarcasm >
Go watch a video featuring a tesla coil to confirm this...
I don't know enough about Tesla coil operation to debate it.
Also the batteries could easily be hidden out of frame or in base.
Really though people,
Bottom line is I don't think people are silly for believing this is nothing more then a magic trick, and I can't blame the others who think this device is the real deal. There should be 20 opinions on how this was faked but people tend to team up on any one user who comes foreward with a debunking theory. Remember that this forum is for both researchers and debunkers.
@ Turbo
Really? All these weeks of suspense for a trick?
Why trick people? What was the point in that?
It's kind of difficult to duplcate someone's work based on a few pictures and video's. i don't think it was a trick - rather a simpler way to create and collect the energy than the 3 frequency method, or rotating fields.
I have a similar coil wound and I'm working on the circuit - should get to try it this weekend.
I'm taking a diverse approach so I can try different things - 2 coils inside with all leads out and four coils outside.
In his TPU, I think he's just pulsing the outer windings and collecting with the inner coil. Red wire might be adding an oscillating signal in addition to the pulses from the mosfets (if that is what they are) - not really sure.
I believe that the 3-frequency approach is the long way. Don't recall Tesla saying anything about 3 frequencies, just pulses...
Just for the record:
I'm still on the fence on this idea.
(Which pisses me off slightly)
I still have the same opinion as when I first saw the SM videos:
"It could be faked, I hope its real", I guess this six months of reading this thread has not been worth the effort yet.
Anyone in here succesfully replicate the ability to light a 60w bulb from a TPU yet? (as in not x/y/z/turbo/ctg/marco/dave/?)
"otto" has had success.
Dave shared all that he has. Simple enough to follow.
Turbo took a more direct approach, the direct route.
Hi Mrl,
Yes but I would drive a MOSFET from the TPS2812.
I have just found a ICM7556IPD in component box.
I will try this device out if its not blown.
Regards
Rob
Quote from: Grumpy on December 12, 2006, 06:17:19 PM
"otto" has had success.
Dave shared all that he has. Simple enough to follow.
Turbo took a more direct approach, the direct route.
I would like to take the direct route also but I don't think I could duplicate Turbo's work from the information posted here. (maybe I missed something?)You seem to be following in his footsteps, do you have additional info not posted here? Any help would be greatly appreciated.
I copied everything that Turbo posted right after all of the talk about shockwaves came out - this was started by someone mentioning ultrasonic flight - this led to Tesla's RE. Turbo made some very good comments and then posted his work shortly afterward.
His comments and manerisms were not that of a "faked display".
After wasting effort on the mysterious 3 frequencies - I took the RE clues along with several others, re-embraced the shockwave talks, and formulated a concept of what Turbo had shown.
It all boiled down to this:
very short positive pulses - no reversal (might trigger a mosfet with a UJT relaxation oscillator - very simple - hell I'm going to try that - could just use cap and resistor relaxation circuit with suitable load)
Turbo's red wire may be a signal from the oscillator that he mentioned or static DC - I do not know yet. Marinov mentioned that having a static field prevented the field from relaxing - I'll try both.
Wow! There sure is a lot of discussion on drivers here anymore. I searched down X's 8038's and the rest of the components that I didn't have so that I could build the generator that he showed in his PDF file. I ordered and paid for the parts about 2 days before he came back and said that the circuit wasn't stable enough. I can't blame him as he didn't know at the time or I am sure he wouldn't of posted it. At least he said it wasn't good enough and it will save me time in building it.
I have been watching this thread carefully to see what IC setup would be best for this project. I guess it is pretty hard to come up with a consensus when you have multiple professionals with different backgrounds working on it. Hell, I can't even get my wife to agree with me and she's not even a P.Eng.
Anyways, I decided to try what we were told to do first. Try it with tube/valve generator first. So, I went to Ebay and purchased 3 old tube sine/square wave generators. I just bought the last one tonight. Hopefully, I will have something to show in the new year.
Tim
P.S. If anybody wants some ICL8038's PM me.
Hi,
Its good enough for you to see the 3 frequencys mix to a kick, thats why I posted it. But for consistent repeatable effects, something better is needed! It depends if you want to run first, or walk.
You could try XR2206 or something?
Once you find it, a way of creating feedback is required to take it to the next level!
Regards,
Dave.
Marcos device is not the operating function of the TPU, just something he was working on and posted in this thread, really it was mis-posted under the wrong topic.
The key is mixing the right frequencies, this info is from SM, what more do people want. Please don't try and analyse why, if it was that easy it would have been found by others many times/long ago.
It is an unknown effect. Find the effect first and then back engineer it, I don't think we will guess it! Its time to get out the arm chairs and start building!
When the right mix of frequencies is found an anomalous amplification effect can appear. There is no point mixing frequencys on your PC to look for it or run simulations in software, they will only show what they are programmed to show and since this is an unknown effect, it will only show up in a real test circuit!
D.
555 will do up to 2MHZ in astable operation!
http://www.williamson-labs.com/555-tutorial.htm
2n3055 1MHZ
http://www.linuxfocus.org/common/src/article251/2n3055.pdf
dave,
while it is always a pleasure to hear your advice as well as your wisdom, i think, and correct me if i am wrong, is a thread, solely about TURBO! so maybe you can take your TPU stuff back to the SM sight where it belongs.
oh and marco good hearing from you as well. since you guys have been gone there has still been some work going on over here, and even more talented hardware guys!!!! it might do everyone some good to bounce some real ideas around!!!! you tech guys can handle all of this but if anyone is more inclined to mechanics you might want to look at gravity powered motors or concepts to see how you think this might help turbo, sm, dave, or anyone.
i think if we ever reach sustainable overunity it is going to take all of us. so everyone please quit alienating anyone. there are few enough of us even looking to be throwing anyones opinion away!!!!
lol
sam
Maybe Sherlock had real information, maybe not.
The possibility is always there. Seems no one cares to give benefit of the doubt anymore.
Marco's a talented experimenter, and if the nay sayers here really believe his last post where he "comes clean" with the 80 batteries, then good for him because he's got you where he wants you.
And get on with it already, marco's setup is not Steven Mark's TPU, period.
Either way, it's round and puts out power.
Turbo said it was the simplest TPU - not something else.
I'll stick with the pulsed Tesla approach until it proves false.
insights,
isn't it funny how so many insights have come though pure fiction. or is that pure inspiration.
i think sometimes a little of both are what it takes. i will withhold judgement till judgement day. what is anyone even doing here if not looking for inspiration to do something fantastic. that is what we are all looking for. what fun would it be if we just showed someone a warp drive from aq tpu and everyone just went, oh, i want one of those, i don't care how it works.
well, that is the life of the inventor, unfortunatly, but how many people really care how an engine or a light bulb, or even a plane works. really, not many people at all compared to how many want to use the invention.
i don't think that is why i work on inventions personally. i JUST WANT TO KNOW!!!!! call me crazy if you want. i don't think anything has ever been invented by a "single" person, someone always has to to help in some way. maybe i am wrong, but if that inventor exists, he would have to be awfully smart and legally talented now a days.
everyone just try and help, a damn patent only lasts for seventeen years anyway. if you are the first to market is the real key. then maybe you can leave your children or heirs something that they can work with.
lol
sam
OL
it's great to see a video! nice work.
i don't know what to make of it though. i wonder what would happen if you replaced your pancake bifilar with a cylindrical bifilar of similar size.
Dammit. Sherlock, you bastard ;D. I was hoping you'd leave that stuff around, it was classic!!! Great fiction! Too many compliments I guess. You are probably going to copyright it. I don't blame you. Well, I hope you know, your probably too late, someone has no doubt copied all of your posts.
Dean?
I was too lazy :(
anyone else?
;)
Im just following the master, Tesla. So many cool things to try, so little time.
Cam
Quote from: c0mster on December 13, 2006, 12:03:33 AM
;)
Im just following the master, Tesla. So many cool things to try, so little time.
Cam
hey cam that's an awesome video!
so you are basicly showing direct induction right?
Have you tried that coil with a little neon bulb on one wire and a frequency switch?
seems to be something there.
T.
Hello all,
thanks for the ideas for a function generator. First I had such a generator woth one frequency, builded one more for the TPU and now I finished yesterday my third function generator. Im using a ICL8038. As I saw X uses this thing too but his shematic is not so complicated as mine. I have stable squarewaves, sine and triangle signals up to 100kHz but up to 1MHz this signals are not so good. The condensator for building such a frequency has to be high quality and such a thing I cant buy.
With this function generator I will today after work try to light my bulb. I will see what will happen.
The reason why Im using a ICL 8038 is I can have sine waves!! Steven Mark said the TPU works with the earths magnetic field. The Schumann resonance and all in nature is vibrating. Thats OK but I think everything is vibrating in sine waves not in square waves!!!
Never mind I have a chance to use square and sine waves.
A time ago I used in my TPU square waves at resonance and then I switched my function generators to sine waves and saw the current dropping. Also at some frequency I had a hum noise comming out of the TPU. I was using just two frequencies.When I heard this noise I thought something is vibrating and surched what this was but find out my TPU makes this noise.
Otto
:( - I was slacking on my back ups...
hello guy's
i read the post for a wile and i think i have a nice and cheap solution.
it is a square wave from 0 to 1.5mhz
look at the schematics
drive it with a totempole and drive a fet
i tested the circuit and it is working perfect
so lo cost and built many as needed
greets
ernst muntinga
the netherlands
Summary of chips discussed
Timers:
TS555, top speed 2Mhz, power 110uA @ 5V, square wave only, vary frequency but not duty at the same time. (possible to use an op amp in conjunction to get a duty cycle), price 0.35 GBP.
Waveform:
ICL8038, top speed 300KHz, power 12-20mA @ 10V, sine,triangle,square waves, duty 2% to 98%, no longer recommended for new designs, price 5.90 GBP.
XR2206, 0.01Hz to 1MHz, power 12-17mA, sine,triangle, square waves, duty 1% to 99%, price 2.50 GBP.
PWM:
UC28025, unknown to 1MHz, power 25mA @ 8V, square wave only(push pull output), duty 0 to 45%, price 1.40 GBP
UC28023, as above but push output and duty 0 to 90% (cannot find a supplier).
Phase Locked Loop:(see diagram in previous post)
MC14046B, unknown to 1.6Mhz, power 5uA, square wave only, duty looks fixed at 50%, price 0.34 GBP.
MOSFET drivers:
TPS2812, 25ns rise/fall time, 40ns propagation delay,power 5uA, 2A peak drive current, 4v to 40V supply range, price 0.80 GBP.
Darlington Array:
ULN2003, Darlington array,50V output, 7 inputs/outputs, 500mA each(600mA pulsed) 25uS on/off delay, price 0.48 GBP.
MOSFETs:
2SK3270-01,Fuji, 6.5mR, 80A, 60V, 335ns rise+fall time, price 3.65 GBP.
IRFU3707, IR, 10mR,56A,30V, 14ns rise+fall time, price 0.70 GBP.
BUZ11, Fairchild, 40mR, 30A, 50V, 200ns rise+fall time (no longer manufactured)
Regards
Rob
hello
replace the cd4046 for a 74hc4046
this one is running up to 17MHZ square wave
ernst
Hello all,
Rob,
in your post is everything OK but I dont like the MOSFETs!!!
Look at the Drain voltages:
2SK3270 = 60V
IRFU3707 = 30V!!
BUZ 11 = 50V
Im using the drain (collector) of the MOSFETs to pulse my coils. With the totally wrong frequencies I had 170V without a load measured with a scope. To be short we MUST use MOSFETs that can handle over 300V on the drain (collectors).
Otto
Hi all,
If you think about it, Marco used a 100 pack CD stack spindle to wind the coils. The spindle is not wide enough to fit those batterys in by a long shot.
And how does this explain one wire?
D.
it give a lot of 400-800 volt types
(are used in power switching supplies monitors tv !)
Hi otto,
Though your output 170V, the Drain of the MOSFET should still below the applied voltage at 12V. If the back emf happen at control coil it should be directed by the internal diode of the MOSFET to the input capacitor that will store to 12V power. So it should be safe to use 30V MOSFET.
Hi Otto,
Yes you would think that this might be a problem but I do not think it is.
What you do is put a blocking diode across the drain and source together with a resistor and small value capacitor (the capacitor and resistor are in series).
You pick a resistor and capacitor value that is enough to quench the large back emf spike just after the pulse goes off.
I have suggested this as this is what the PWM circuits use. I have tried them on a circuit simulator and they seem to do the trick.
Now it is possible that these 3 components will upset the TPU in some way in which case you will need to use a very high voltage MOSFET, these are more expensive and the "on" resistance is much higher, so more power will be lost.
See page 8.
http://focus.ti.com/lit/ds/symlink/uc28025.pdf
If you can try these 3 components I think you will be surprised how effective they are.
Hi Tosky,
When the back emf occurs I think you will find that the drain to source voltage will now be:
D,S = back emf + supply voltage
e.g. back emf = -170V, supply = 12V, D,S = 182V
I know it sounds odd because we are all use to seeing the voltage across the coil.
You see it go +ve during the pulse and a big -ve spike when the pulse goes off.
But if you put the scope probes across the drain and source of the MOSFET, things are a whole lot different, you see zero volts (or just a small voltage) while the pulse is on, and a big spike as if someone had just swapped the 12V battery for a 182V battery.
Then it will slowly balance out to 12V when the spike bounces die away.
I think the internal diode only protects against a reverse voltage across the drain to source, plus I don't think all mosfets have one.
Regards
Rob
Quote from: c0mster on December 12, 2006, 11:04:29 PM
@everyone
Here is a little experiment I did on Tesla pancake coil using a 555 timer and a darlington pair. SM releated? You be the judge.
http://cmnet.ca/projects/flatcoil1.wmv
Have you tried connecting the coils as in tesla's 0512340 patent?
PULSES
For those using the 3 frequencies:
XR2206 also has sweep capability
gnOstic:
I did print out most of it for a lass at work to read. She laughed her arse off over it. All in all, thought it was a great story. See if I can get it back. Have to see about getting the drivers for my scanner again first before I can get it online tho.
sugra
Hi kingrs,
I just forgot to tell in my mind that a high voltage fast diode has put parallel to the coil. This diode will direct the current from MOSFET-Drain to the power + and store to the cap. when switch off. You suggested the RS snubber circuit to absorb the back emf may cause oscillation. This project is to look for the magic frequency. Any additional oscillation may affect to the result.
Here's a thought
As far as I know SM is just an inventor- nothing more.
So what if turbo's circuit is nothing more than a better SM circuit?
Manifesting the same effect without all the frequencies and windings- making SM's design obsolete.
My point here is that already we have "purists" saying we cannot deviate from the SM design, but they have no clue what the fundamental effect is, so how would they know?
And why did turbo post this in the SM section?
I cannot say if this is a hoax or not, what I will do however is give turbo the benefit of doubt, real or not I like the bird on a wire concept and have run some basic circuits in multisim 8.
A sim is not reality so of course some basic experiments will be needed. In any case I have no problem mixing technology's, for me this is about making it work and understanding OU-that's the bottom line.
:)
Hi ALL,
Turbo did just only try to see with his 80 batteries,
how bright he could light a 75 Watts bulb, but it did not work
at all.
Also if it would have been a faked DC power setup, he
could not have just used 1 wire ! Think about it !
So in his videos he does not use these batteries at all !
Here is an email I received from him:
==================================
hey, i cant compete with those guys.
they just don't get it.
i even borrowd 80 cr2035 maxell 3 volt lithium cells from a friend of mine
who owns a computer shop to see if it can be faked.
the bulb didn't even blink once.
strange thing comes about because the meter showed it was there and it even shocked me when i stacked them up.
they wouldn't even fit in my coil...
i don't know about the nimh cells maybe they are more powerfull.
so i will devellop this some further , write all down and send a copy to you so you can redo the experiment showing the guy's the proof of concept.
is that okay?
i hope i can show a reciever only soon
==================================
So please be patient with him.
He has done really a lot of work with all this during the last
weeks and he needs time to document it all and write it down.
When he has done it and will post it, we can all try to
replicate it.
Until then it is good to play around oneself with Tesla?s
longitudinal magnetic and electrostatic waves...
Regards, Stefan.
@SherlockHolmes
Why did you remove your nice stories ?
Please post them again and keep at it !
Many thanks.
Regards, Stefan.
Quote from: otto on December 13, 2006, 07:27:05 AM
Hello all,
Rob,
in your post is everything OK but I dont like the MOSFETs!!!
Look at the Drain voltages:
2SK3270 = 60V
IRFU3707 = 30V!!
BUZ 11 = 50V
Im using the drain (collector) of the MOSFETs to pulse my coils. With the totally wrong frequencies I had 170V without a load measured with a scope. To be short we MUST use MOSFETs that can handle over 300V on the drain (collectors).
Otto
Otto,
es gibt sehr g?nstige MOSFETs
wie z.B. den:
IRF 840 Lagertyp - stock type (RoHS conform)
NMOS 500V 8A 125W TO220
<56/104ns 850mR (VE: 1 St.) : 1.00 EUR
ab 10 VE: 0.80 EUR
bei www.segor.de
Ich wohne von Segor 5 Minuten entfernt ! ;)
English:
Otto,
You can use the IRF 840,
it costs only around 1Euro,,
has 500 Volts and 8 Amps
and is very nice.
I used them already in a few other circuits.
@ Dave
@ HMM
@ C0mster
and all the other builders ?
did you already "fire" up your new TPUs ?
Any results so far ?
I wonder, if I would also wire three collector coils each with 6 control
coils around it as posted and interconnect them and really
hit the right feedback condition, how could I
protect this thing to going up in smoke ?
@Dave,
is it safe, just to have the 3 collector coils not shorted or with no load ?
Does this prevent the selfrunaway and destruction ?
Dave, what exactly did you show in your videos,
where you did light the bulbs from your 2 different TPUs ?
Are you already ready to tell us this now , or do you want to wait,
until you have finished your new TPU ?
Many thanks to all !
Regards, Stefan.
If everyone stopped sharing ideas because of a few closeminded people, we would still be in the stone ages living in a flat world. Please ignore the skeptics. Trying to talk to people so closminded is like talking to a brick wall, so they are best ignored. I really do think tesla still has show much to show to the world, so please keep sharing your results.
Quote from: hartiberlin on December 13, 2006, 12:29:29 PM
Dave, what exactly did you show in your videos,
where you did light the bulbs from your 2 different TPUs ?
Are you already ready to tell us this now , or do you want to wait,
until you have finished your new TPU ?
Stefan, If I do not misunderstand, Dave (Mr. X?) does not show an OU device. He mentioned that he wanted to give the other researchers a motivation to go on with their TPU research.
I think his TPU-video was more an fancy trick, but was meant by him in a good mind.
If I am completly wrong, I have to say sorry and pass some extra lessons in understanding english. ;)
Markus
Stefan,
I am not totally sure, but I don't think you need to worry about it going up in smoke until you start to feedback it's own signal. This is when things will start to get interesting.
For now, you will only need to kill the generators.
@harti
I'm working, actually i'm doing the associated electronics to drive the TPU. Hope to start testing during week-end.
ciao
ronotte
Hi all,
Can I just say. Marco posted the batterys because he was fed up with the way he was being treated and just told people what they (non-believers) wanted to hear to satisfy their egos.
@Grumpy, thanks for explaining the pulses in such a nice way. You are clearly much more experienced that I, so please forgive me, I didnt know you could pulse with side of a bulb with some small batterys and get it to light that well. But you learn something everyday, thanks.
Also, he did not say this would be the simplest TPU, he said the simplest coil. Because it was posted under the TPU section, I guess everyone made that assumption and why wouldn't they.
SM has told us the key is in mixing 3 frequencies, go back to the tube power supply experiments, the answers are there. You can ignore me if you wish of course, but I don't understand why people want the answer, then ignore it looking for something else because they dont get it. Whether Tesla talked about 3 frequencies or not is irrelevant. SM is the designer of the TPU and he has told us!
Also, Marco never claimed Overunity, he claims to be sending energy wirelessly, the question then is does it arrive at the receiver with more energy than it left with!
Best regards,
Dave.
Another important thing would be to see if it still transmits/receives power through a faraday cage.
I was refering to Turbo's TPU, not his coil.
Quoteso this would be the most simple coil.
it is not the most powerfull ring.
the wires do get hot.
it cancels the fulx in a certain way the electrons are free to move.
it still does need a 9 volt battery for the OSC.
it needs to speed up a bit without the load otherwise it wont start at all.
no magnets are used.
Don't think Turbo's board is spitting out 3 frequencies.
What do you get when the 3 fequencies mix - hmm looks like a positive pulse.
What sort of majical phenomenon can you imagine coming out of 3 frequencies mixing together? Think about for a few minutes. What could the waves possible do in any realm of physical reality?
Also, why all of the SM references to Tesla, why the reference to shockwaves?
What are "kicks"? - indirectional pulses.
How do they kick particle energies up with in accelerators - kicks - which are pulses (damn big ones too).
The following was posted and then deleted - Tao had the secret months ago:
Quote(from TAO) So, based on those things, lets look at the Mark device. Lets say Steven put one big stout cable around or in the rings,and all around these he had many many windings. Now, if Steven put into that stout cable a current and before the current could get to the end of the wire, he stopped it's flow abruptly, then perpendicular radiations (the KICKS), the same Tesla observed, would appear and spread from this stout cable, this would cause Tesla'a copper charging effect, which would hit all the other wires in Steven's coils. Now, if Steven wired the coils right and stopped the discharge of the current through the coils he would be able to extract a lot of extra energy from the tap points on the coils. This is basically how Tesla's magnifying transmitter works.
Capacitors discharged ABRUPTLY into a wire, then the current flow is stopped ABRUPTLY before the current makes it to the end of the wire, and this KICK comes out of the wires perpendicularly. This KICK would then charge copper with electrons(hot electricity) or their opposites(cold electricity). It just depends on how you setup the device.
So, I would say that Steven's KICKS have a direct relationship to Tesla's Magnifying Transmitter, its REAL operation.<
So Lindsay, this guy definitely has the secret. I do not know if he will be able to duplicate power generation, but he does have the secret.
Do you think he knows it?
The only part he doesn't have any idea about is that by starting the oscillation you cause the current to flow in the collector which causes the magnification of the process within the collector which will ultimately produce the greater voltage and power in usable amounts during operation.
Do you see anything in this quote about 3 frequencies?
Furthermore, someone else is using pulses and getting results. Maybe he'll post something soon.
You know what irritates me,
From God,
Matt. 24:22 And except those days should be shortened, there should NO flesh be saved: but for the Elect's sake those days shall be shortened (by Divine Intervention).
What do you think that means?
Utter your thoughts here is some input,
The Rule of the universe can see where every atom goes, and then able to see visions of the future, so ....from what i digested , this is a matrix of mathmatics,we are in, called the covenant,so to me ''i am'' is allowing this reap what you sow,so basicly the gate for overunity under satans will is basicly closed.
Read about Isaac Newton please.....click below link...
http://jahtruth.co.uk/newton.htm
Like I said, I am only passing information from SM about how to see the basic effect with something simple and practical to build. Do with it what you will, or follow your own path. I prefer to follow the path SM has told me to see the basic effect, of course you can choose which ever path you like.
D.
Sorry I am not sure how this relates to TPU research? Is this a church or an technical forum? No one here is going to be recruited, sorry.
Quote from: CTG Labs on December 13, 2006, 04:19:08 PM
Sorry I am not sure how this relates to TPU research? Is this a church or an technical forum? No one here is going to be recruited, sorry.
If your able to use that eye, overunity is not chance,i can see what is irritateing me,i just wanted to give my opinion out......because its about struggleing to prevail where, the secrets are hidden.
If you use your eye,on that and examine it like you do with over unity ,because this technology given was given the go ahead back in heaven by the person who Designed that page.... .. .
You can read more if you willed,but im not asking, but im Pointing out.
???
Sorry I must have missed something important.
Regards,
D.
Daniel is saying that there is more than one way to OU and that only one way is way of the One (I AM). Other ways to OU, that of Satan (ha-satan) are closed.
By opening your eyes, you will see the ONE way.
Of course, I could be misinterpretting.
Way to go Daniel, cryptic as ever...
What is meant by the "I AM", are we talking about god, the collective un-conscious the higherself or the ego?
Why are we talking about Satan on an a so called science forum?
Best regards,
D.
Hi Guys,
I was just reading through these postings and noticed that you were mixing frequencies to attempt to get the overunity results. It reminded me of some work the John Bedini did replicating Rife's frequency instrument that was said to cure diseases by sending certain frequencies into the body. Apearantly after unsucessful attempts to replicate Rife's device John discovered through questioning Rife's assistant that certain diseases could only be destroyed by mixing certain frequencies which would create a new frequency that would resonate and destroy the organism. I realize that this may have absolutely nothing to do with your device but if you read the website or listen to his interview you may get some ideas about how to improve your mixing of frequencies and some of the wierd results that it looks like he obtained. The website is : "http://www.icehouse.net/john34/rife.html" if you are interested.
Have fun.
Like a moth to a flame .. turbo now ponders his existence in "The Stange Case of the 'Turbo Light'" Thread .. rofl ....
QED Sherlock ;)
have u think that the 3 frequencies work if they are "harmonics" to each other?
the first application 166khz 44kht 32 (33,2) khz shown so !
when only one oscillator is working and both (or 3 working) frequencies will be "made" from THIS from Harmonics or subharmics,
it is to think about it.
And to test , if this work (better?)
GP
Quote from: pese on December 13, 2006, 05:37:31 PM
have u think that the 3 frequencies work if they are "harmonics" to each other?
the first application 166khz 44kht 32 (33,2) khz shown so !
when only one oscillator is working and both (or 3 working) frequencies will be "made" from THIS from Harmonics or subharmics,
it is to think about it.
And to test , if this work (better?)
GP
;)
Quote from: Grumpy on December 13, 2006, 04:29:42 PM
Daniel is saying that there is more than one way to OU and that only one way is way of the One (I AM). Other ways to OU, that of Satan (ha-satan) are closed.
By opening your eyes, you will see the ONE way.
Of course, I could be misinterpretting.
Way to go Daniel, cryptic as ever...
Yes ''I AM''/Christ = overunity unselfish , Satan/selfish = Under unity although Christ calls them Wicked inventions.
That is Correct and the way as i am saying more in that area,but what else i am saying is, you have to be connected to '' I AM'' And know him then these secrets will be revealed , and that link about Isaac explains it.
So only 2 paths, and lots of religions ,bluring those 2 paths , and deluded to follow Satans path to destruction.
So grumpy can see what i am talking about, although,its not in this Manifestation of the tpu,till it can be made overunity and it can.
Anyways Grumpy,read this, if you have not, http://100777.com/spiritual/beings_having_a_physical_experience .
also Dave can you see Faint colours of Blue and red around you,and White and Black, if so, as i can, why those 2 :-) Hmmmm,i also saw Christ in his free state and Lucifer.
You guys can carry on the discussion about the tpu..
hey daniel,
since you are so in tune with, "I AM", WHY DON'T YOU JUST GIVE US THE SECRET? if you really understand , "I AM", i don't see why he would have a problem with that. after all, all revealed knowledge is given to help us all, to not have bad experiences. why are you being so selfish?
lol
sam
ps: have you ever stoped tooting your own self, long enough to realise that aparently, "I AM", IS NOT GIVING YOU ANYTHING USEFUL TO CONTRIBUTE!!!!
Quote from: supersam on December 13, 2006, 06:28:57 PM
hey daniel,
since you are so in tune with, "I AM", WHY DON'T YOU JUST GIVE US THE SECRET? if you really understand , "I AM", i don't see why he would have a problem with that. after all, all revealed knowledge is given to help us all, to not have bad experiences. why are you being so selfish?
lol
sam
ps: have you ever stoped tooting your own self, long enough to realise that aparently, "I AM", IS NOT GIVING YOU ANYTHING USEFUL TO CONTRIBUTE!!!!
I Am not, but a believer i am connected to the same host as you Lucifer-under unity but i have digested this truth,i Am selfish like you(but not at the same level likely),your feelings are a complex Math calculations,my Lack of electrical knowledge is irritateing,but i just want to input this so someone can see this 2 'way' connection and who has a understanding without science getting in the way..also the jahtruth.co.uk website, and 100777.com , this 2 way is explained in a way not in this manifestation,
Do you see how i feel with people use newtons law science etc,?
As for your Last Paragraph,well i Posted a Verse about that,but ''I AM'' Gave this technology as overunity, but under-unity is a twist of overunity, as with truth being twisted into a lie, see,but since this is suppressed and others allowed unknowingly and due to the lack of computer at that time, we reap what we sow,and i also think that telsa was not seeing as that there was a conspiracy,at the time,and i think he felt curious and whats going on, and put patents thinking he would get funding but by divine intervention he did not,and it would of been better to just give out everything he learned as open source like a b c and then it works without understanding really how it works for one ...but he did not by divine intervention because he had concealed what '' I AM'' From out of the blue taught him...see..
I think "I Am" going to give up now.
daniel,
i think that you and your no knowing, self rightous, ass needs to go back an read JOB, i think you will find everything from spinning wheels in the sky to what the root of your problem is. a little reading in proverbs i don't think would help you alot to.
lol
sam
Daniel sure has an interesting view of things.
So, God giveth and He taketh away.
:)
Quote from: Spherenot on December 13, 2006, 07:04:13 PM
What if we use three frequencies to make the very sharpest of pulses?
If this methodology is the key then why not mix the three frequencies together into one coil (pair) instead of three individual frequencies fed into three individual (pairs)?
I asked Santa, my wife, for an oscilloscope this Christmas. I hear I can get one that plugs into my USB port and uses my PC/monitor. It sounds like I could get some good screen captures this way. Can anyone recommend a good brand and a good place to get the best deal on-line?
Christ Reveals/Gives, Satan Conceal/Suppress,
how can overunity take back and make it under unity, is the way i see what your saying,unless it was provoked by a opposite.
You reap what you sow.
twisted truths never = 1 whole truth,
and as i can see what you are talking about and getting confused with,
so im gonna input to help you see some more,
You are a being of light, who's free will is provoked by divine intervention i.e. you get what you deserve,basicly Chained causes , lays a Dance Pattern Danceing with your ''will'' but you do not provoke your own will if that was so then the universe would surely be messed up, the Will is provoked by divine intervention /Truth 1st wave.
but as with the ''2'' ways, you do Christs will or you think you do your own which is Lucifers will,and we are conduit's which we are like speakers connected to the host.
And by that, that is how Bible prophecies are predicted and come true.
So i was gonna post this Anyways since im Danceing under the covenant/Divine intervention , and complex mathematical would of already predicted your responses and texts,and it goes way more in depth than this....since it is ever expanding...
i really recommend you reading this if you do not understand what i am saying..as i am not the teacher,
www.thewayhomeorfacethefire.net .
because that explains it way more in depth then i am putting it.
daniel,
i think what i am trying to say is that apparently nothing is being revealed through you!! so the only thing you are doing is supressing. you might want to go back and review your last post. i think to paraphrase aa proverb i heard one time, "it is better to keep your mouth shut and let people wonder if you a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt." after this "i am" giving up as well. get real man, you are lost if you don't.
lol
sam
ps: i will not be taking up any more space with this sorry guys!!!
I Am actually revealing with some being concealed as i can see it,although as simple as it sounds,how am i supposed to prove to you that i seen a Blue king of heaven, and a key being given to Lucifer, and theres a Blue/White ''I AM'' who knows you and i must die,and im like , why did you create me at the beginning then when you could see...that i will dance with my will being provoked by the covenant, likely to go into the fire.
and as for the remove all doubt, you are Doing the same thing Automaticly ,as we are connected to the same host.
"I AM" slightly annoyed by this conversation...
"I AM" tired of religous gobledy gook being smeared arround the forum. "I AM" assuming that Dan is trying to teach us about prophet Yahweh (older then christ/old hebrew/greek translations). Yahweh had over two thousand years to "show us the way", and he has failed... So now please let us find it for ourselves. We only get one lifetime to try and find it and by the looks of the situation Yahweh has never come through before in that short of a time frame. So for now we'll do our own research as to not waste our time asking Yahweh to solve our problems for us.
"I AM" done discussing this, as "I AM" sure the other members are too. Please refrain from mentioning religious fiqures or bible quotes as they will not help at this time. Thanks for your intrest in the project though as it is much apriciated.
~Dingus
AMEN !!!
hehehehehehehehehehe........ ::)
kosol device .. sick em daniel .. these guys are totally tuned into your vibe
Oh Oh I have to say somthing to this.
I have read ?God helps those who help themselves?. This human race has destroyed the earth since Christ was crucified. Before sin, man respected the earth and all the fruit it could be bear. Capitalism is the biggest sin and we all accept it. The rulers of the world live in glory from the poor?s sweat and grief. If you read Tesla while you read the bible you will understand the connection between the divine and the mistakes of man. We consume, destroy and do it all over again never seeing what Mother Nature has given us. Preach until you fall to the ground. Preach until Christ returns to earth. Put in the effort, open your eyes and see what really has been given to mankind. If you want to be blessed with gold you are cursed. If you want to be blessed with seeing the real truth you must seek it. What is in your heart no one can see. What is in your mind no one can see. What is your end reason no one can see. God will only help those who help themselves. If you think you will find the answer in a book written in words you are wrong. Read between the lines, see what others cannot. Open your eyes and do not condemn. Speak the truth and the truth will be revelled. The quest for overunity is to me for mankind. You can try to scare me, you can threaten me, you can laugh at me but there is nothing you can do to change what I do and why. If you read the words in the bible then you only interpret to your liking, to fit you and your beliefs. Open you mind, open your eyes. The day you stop condemning, lying, playing tricks and realize you are only man is the day you may see what has been given to you.
Only a fool will use riddles to hide his pain.
how does it go .. "Start a crazy thread .. get a crazy member"
AMEN!!
PASS THE TPU PLEASE!!!!!!!
LOL
SAM
Oh well, I don't know what the TPU has to do with this religion crap, but as there is some talking about this fictional character, please read the following links:
http://www.jesusneverexisted.com/ (http://www.jesusneverexisted.com/)
http://www.nobeliefs.com/exist.htm (http://www.nobeliefs.com/exist.htm)
http://home1.gte.net/deleyd/religion/appendixd.html (http://home1.gte.net/deleyd/religion/appendixd.html)
http://www.tektonics.org/jesusexist/jesusexisthub.html (http://www.tektonics.org/jesusexist/jesusexisthub.html)
http://www.truthbeknown.com/thechrist.htm (http://www.truthbeknown.com/thechrist.htm)
http://home1.gte.net/deleyd/religion/solarmyth/christ2002.htm (http://home1.gte.net/deleyd/religion/solarmyth/christ2002.htm)
But never forget that "I AM SATAN"...
Wow...I think everybody is right. Religion and Science are two of the same yet completely different languages of the universe. I'm not "pious" or religious so to speak, but I would like to think that Karma/Golden Rule/1st commandment. "What goes around comes around." would appear a sound theory to all of the scientist here.
One thing seems to always affect another and try to balance, ying yang, north south...
If I have all the money in the world, there would be no more money for me to make!
The only way to sustain money is for it to come and go...It's the same money, just coming in one way and going out the other. You can't sit on money and get much out of the cash itself...it's the making and spending that is exciting...Same with electricity, flux, etc...
So Lt. Dan, I too think you are way, way, way, out in left field...compared to some of us....BUT, who is to say your view of the game isn't better than ours? =) Besides, who wants to be too "Down to Earth" when this place is turning into a dump anyway?
Konduct,
"The evolving buddha scientist" =)
This is a composite waveform of 166 kHz, 83 kHz, and 41.5 kHz.
There is an uninterrupted rise from the minimum value to the maximum value and the ride back down is a bumpy one. It reminds me of the three adjacent Phi multiples of 7.83 Hz seed frequency that I did on the other topic about frequencies in this SM area.
[Edit: I am not sure how valuable any of my contributions are at this point. Mixing waveforms, (with or without the ability to phase-shift them,) in a computer probably has nothing to do with what is happening in the space around/inside the TPU. Anyone can ask me to stop posting waveform combinations and I will.]
"I am he as you are he as you are me and we are all together.
See how they run like pigs from a gun, see how they fly.
I'm crying.
Sitting on a cornflake waiting for the van to come.
Corporation T?shirt, stupid bloody tuesday.
Man, you been a naughty boy, you let your face grow long.
I am the eggman,
I am the eggmen,
I am the walrus!
Goo Goo A'Joob.. "
Need I say anymore :D
Dean,
You are showing your age now!
AM
MrA ..
Naaa .. just take a toke and pass it on buddy ;)
Roll your own coils if you like :D
Isn't it interesting that daniels member number is 666.
Roll your own coils,, Now thats funny.!. way way of topic, But funny.
And what was the topic? oh yeah Coils/ the TPU kind,, and it is NOT, OU. the tpu is nothing more than a niffy antenna.
I have been reading in these forums for some time. I,, like most of you am positive that this device can and has been built. I am having timing issues with mine. Could we all return to the topic and disguess coils and timing the pulse? There are many Brilliant minds in these forums. Many have years of experience in the "field" (Pun intended.) Lets use this recourse and share in it so we can all Benefit form the outcome.
Moab.
Hello all,
guys you are great!!! So much informations!!
Stefan,
you dont need to wright in German and in English. Thanks anyway. Im using the IRF 840 MOSFETs in this moment. I tried the IRF 730 and they are ok too.
Yesterday and this morning before work I was mixing the frequencies and saw a lot of strange things:
With my setup, when I pulse only the top control coil with 30-40kHz I have on my scope over 200Vpp and my 60W bulb is, so to say, at half brightness.
If I pulse only my middle control coil with 70-80kHz I have on my scope pulses over 150Vpp
Pulsing only my bottom control coil I have pulses under 50Vpp.
This pulses I measure on the collector.
When I mix the 3 frequencies I have a lot of harmonics. Of course, I did not light my bulb at full brightness but in the range of 700-800mA I have a much better light then in my last post. Im getting better every day. I need only a few watts to get full brightness!!
Twice it happened I heard a loud hum noise from my TPU!! I KNOW this was the right frequency mix but I lost this hum because I tried to change a little my frequency!! Today my friend will give me 3 multiturn potentiometers 10k that I use in my oscillators for changing the frequencies. In this way I can change the frequencies much better.
In my setup I dont use diodes, resistors...nothing, only my coils.
Otto
Spherenot,
I think searching an unknown effect by using software/simulation is sensless (someone mentioned this already).
Your posted, combined waveform is surely mathematically perfect calculated, but you can not see other sideeffects like reflected pulses or something else what happend when you mix 3 freqs with independed, but well coupled coils.
The outputcoil of "a TPU" is also placed 90 degrees to the exiting coils, maybe this cause other unknown effects which will not be simulated by your wave-editor program.
Markus
Hi Spherenot,
I think we may all be asking Santa/wives for a scope for xmas.
I already have a 20MHz digital storage scope but it does not have all the features of a PC based scope.
I would like this one please Santa:
DS1M12
http://www.usb-instruments.com/oscillo_stingray.html
Or
Picoscope2202
http://www.farnell.com/datasheets/82156.pdf
Or
OWON EDU5022M colour LCD on ebay, but its from China, and I'm vary wary of ordering from there.
I don't really need them, they are nice to have but not required, time better spent researching the TPU and MEG.
Hi Markus,
I was wondering about this 90 degree issue, and how do you induce a voltage in a wire at 90 degrees to the coil. Clamp meters I think create a transformer core around one conductor then have a winding off of that, but I don,t think its that.
One possibility is that the field extends to the top and bottom of the ring and it induces a voltage in the top and bottom of the windings as these are almost at right angles to the input coil, not in the part of the windings passing through the middle of the input coil. So the larger you make the ring the more current will be needed to extend the field to reach top and bottom windings. Just need to check the left hand rule to make sure they are not canceling each other out.
Whatever it is, its strange.
Regards
Rob
Quote from: MrMag on December 13, 2006, 10:12:52 PM
Isn't it interesting that daniels member number is 666.
:o
So he will learn the secrets of ZP-energy here and put it into dark uses!
AM
Hi Rob,
Quote from: kingrs on December 14, 2006, 04:33:54 AM
I was wondering about this 90 degree issue, and how do you induce a voltage in a wire at 90 degrees to the coil. Clamp meters I think create a transformer core around one conductor then have a winding off of that, but I don,t think its that.
In case of a Clamp meters the "induction" go the other direction. So to say an induction from the outputcoil into the exciter coil.
You have a wire where AC goes through. This cause an altaernating magnetic field around the wire. So you have an alternating magn. flux around the wire. And this flux induce a small voltage within the the loop-wire of the clamp meter.
Quote from: kingrs on December 14, 2006, 04:33:54 AM
One possibility is that the field extends to the top and bottom of the ring and it induces a voltage in the top and bottom of the windings as these are almost at right angles to the input coil, not in the part of the windings passing through the middle of the input coil. So the larger you make the ring the more current will be needed to extend the field to reach top and bottom windings. Just need to check the left hand rule to make sure they are not canceling each other out.
Whatever it is, its strange.
Do you know the Hooper-Monstein-Effect?
It is possible to induce voltage in a wire although the wire is placed in the zero-flux area of two oppositional magnets which cancels each other. Here is an intersting experiement about it (sorry in german):
http://www.hcrs.at/EMF.HTMMarkus
EDIT: Ups, so sorry I pasted the wrong link! This one is the Hooper-Moonstein-link:
http://www.hcrs.at/MONSTEIN.HTM
I just read that Meyl paper, very interesting, it is basically teslas magnifying transmitter but without the ground.This must be turbo's circuit only he used tin foil strips as the capacitance.
Has anyone tried the Meyl setup? He claims it is OU in no uncertain terms, up to 1000% OU.
Maybe the electric field between caps has an avalanche effect like Gray was using, only Meyl is using low voltage and wouldn't you know it the running frequency is 7.8Hz, while tesla used 12Hz I think.
I think turbo is using a third resonant circuit between the main caps(tin foil) strips as well, this is the bird he mentions.I have seen numerous articles about this interception circuit in an electric field.
As usual this is all best guess, I think I want to build Meyl's setup.
Hello
Can anyone give me a solid answer as to what the TPU core is made of. Is it magnetic material or non-magnetic?
I have heard in some posts it is non-magnetic.
Quote from: mramos on December 13, 2006, 10:18:18 PM
Then I did a Tesla coil like Marco and smoked a FET and thought...
Well, you smoked a FET but there are members here that seems to be smoking some powerfull things...
:) ;) :D ;D
Allcanadian,
In one video Steven Mark's toroid was cutted using a electric pad saw.
So no metall core. In some of the videos they spoke about cork-like material.
And because the ring was effortlessly cutted by one man using a standard pad saw, I think the collectorcoil within the core cannot be made from strong wire and must have only a few turns.
Also most of the intersection of the cutted core does not looked like fraing wires.
Markus
Quote from: GM on December 14, 2006, 03:51:34 AM
...searching an unknown effect by using software/simulation is sensless...
...you can not see other sideeffects like reflected pulses or something else what happend when you mix 3 freqs with independed, but well coupled coils.
The outputcoil of "a TPU" is also placed 90 degrees to the exiting coils, maybe this cause other unknown effects which will not be simulated by your wave-editor program.
Markus
As I suspected. I agree.
I thought about deleting my posted waveforms. But I think I will leave them up to lead folks, once again as you say, to this conclusion.
Marco was run outa town then came back to get even ;) He's still laughing.
Paul Lowrance said it best:
QuoteStefan encourages free speech. I have just a few words for the few legitimate researchers, as this will be my last post at overunity.com until I post the "smoking gun." Unfortunately overunity.com will be the last site to receive such detailed build instructions-- I have my reasons based on high probability, and that's my final decision.
Dean McGowan and other legitimate researchers,
Quote from: dean_mcgowan
QuoteI wont disturb this section of the forum anymore
Don't let this group get to you. It is obvious (transparent) that you Dean were trying to help. Just smile and don't waste any more of your valuable time and energy on people who do not want to be helped. They see anything that contradicts their desires as negativity, or at least that is what they want people to feel.
Personally I am absolutely shocked what is happening here. It is sad to see how easily a group can dominate a forum knowing full well most people are followers. They know most people will follow the mass majority. They know how easy it is to sway such followers in nearly any direction they so desire ... and you people truly wonder why global "free energy" never makes it to the public.
Legitimate truth seekers who are sincere at heart do indeed make a lot of noise. They do not post small bits, dangle carrots in front of you because they are supposedly upset, etc. A review of history clearly shows the opposite-- Gandhi, Buddha, Jesus Christ, Martin Luther King, JFK (John F. Kennedy), Confucius, Picasso, Mozart, Wright Brothers, Walt Disney, Thomas Edison, Galileo, Isaac Newton, William Shakespeare, and last but not least Nikola Tesla to name a few. The point has nothing to do if such people were positive or negative, but they meant well, were legitimate sincere truth seekers that made a lot of noise. Sorry, I can no longer waste any more time here.
Hopefully no person will reply to this, but just think about it. Those who reply will surely warp and destroy my words, put words in my mouth.
Best wishes to all legitimate researchers,
Paul Lowrance
@ GM & AllCanadian
The saw used by SM in the video was a demolition saw or resipricating saw. I used those for years in metal work and can say for sure that the saw used in the video could easily cut through a internal metal ring. I could not tell if there was indeed a core in the TPU video, but I am just saying the saw used does not in any way tell me that there was no core to the device.
Just trying to help,
~Dingus
Can a mere mortal change the name of a thread without permission from some eternal god like entity?
Tell me holmes is this truly possible ??
Or is this a case of ... da da da daaaaa ..
TRANSMOGRIFICATION !!!
HI Holmes,
Is this mean we all going to get to read your "classic" writing on your investigation/exploration on the subject? Waiting for the next chapter. ;D
Regards,
you never know what holmes can come up with till the end of the book!! i am sure whatever he has up his sleve is beyond us mortals anyway. unless moriarty is around? or did moriarty beat him this time? stay tuned. till next time......
lol, and happy hoidays to all,
sam
Quote from: Dingus Mungus on December 14, 2006, 07:38:28 PM
@ GM & AllCanadian
The saw used by SM in the video was a demolition saw or resipricating saw. I used those for years in metal work and can say for sure that the saw used in the video could easily cut through a internal metal ring.
~Dingus,
one never stops learning. Also I. Thank you for this rectification.
Markus
Pretty quite here. Everyone must be busy winding coils. I guess I better get moving!
I merged now the 2 different topics about
1. user TURBO?s replication of Steven Mark?s TPU
and
2. fun with parlor tricks,
as user Sherlock Holmes just edited the old topic theme name
and deleted his messages, so the topic theme name
was pretty misleading !
ALso I have now deleted all "empty" messages
of Sherlock Holmes, as this makes no sense...
If he wants to post his nice stories again,
he should do it in another thread.
Regards, Stefan.(admin)
Thankyou Stefan
I was looking at another thread and found the Magnetic Power Inc patent,the solid state electric generator. If the SM device has a ferromagnetic core I bet there's a 90% chance these devices use the same concept. Even if the core is not ferromagnetic i think there one and the same.
The common theme here seems to be that the input couples with the output or is additive, but when the input stops it is isolated from the output.
A little off topic here but I just bought a wattmeter and put it on a small portable stereo, it pulls 3 watts with everything off and 5 watts at 3/4 volume. That is the extent of the stupidity displayed by our current electrical engineers and pretty much speaks for itself.
stefan,
is it only the originator of the thread that can change the topic ???
hehehehe ...
Allright,
I have ringing in the coils I can clearly see the signals adding to a bigger one but when I add a load it all diminishes.
I have found the 3 phase drive to put out more power but still no OU?
Best yet half bright 60w ::)
later
Mike
Quote from: Grumpy on December 13, 2006, 09:55:12 AM
PULSES
Hi, I agree with the emphasis on pulses. They must be square dc. Thanks to Tesla. Fast rise time like c0mster had posted. Freq only matters to the physical dimensions of what you are driving.
I posted alot about this in past OU sites. So here goes:
Pulses Shorter than the magfield latency but off time greater than the inductance. In other words let the previous canon ball hit the target before you fire another one. But right after it hits. That would be the coil diam also. And also the best point for the next pulse would be right after the latency is gone. Because you have to impact the coil with the full rise time from 0volts. This equates to the highest impact from the harmonic pressure wave. In other words, you are taking advantage of the greatest aperature. I f you don?t, you lose the harmonics at the bottom part of the pulse.
Kapeesh?
Another single shot example is:
If you take a 4" pvc pipe. Wrap it allt way with 12# and no connections. Cap one end with a small hole just like a potato gun. You put a wad of black powder in then a wad of magnet powder. When you ignite the powder the force propells the mag through the tube. as the mag travels it gens a field which compresses at the end of the tube, A huge EMP is discharged. This an open ended Tcoil! Same principle as military air dropped EMPs and air born generator based EMPs. The difference for us is we are sending multiple pulses at the correct time.
Now think about this:
At both ends of Tcoils we have large cross sectional copper. In the middle section we have small cross sectional copper but higher % of surface area. The first coil is a pancake driven hard from the outside to the inside which gens large flux lines, they then cut across the 2 coil, middle section which has a high percentage of slicing the flux. The tube configuration is such that the electrons, and the every increasing fields gened, move to the empty part of the coil. Same as the pancake. Also field compression like a pancake coil travels towards the end. Can you say single wire transmission? At the end we have a huge reseviour of copper and those electronics would be compelled to react. Hence the huge generation there. Now you have generated a huge potential between the top of the device.
So basically you have a pancake in serial with a pancake with a copper reserve.
Now when you get the transmissions just right with multiple devices one can see what Hutchison is getting done.
Hope I didn't bore anybody...
Ya ever wonder why there are so many pictures of Tesla with his hand stuck to his face?
He is pointing the sky!
--giantkiller. Focus on the field and you will see the force. ;)
Hello sharp overunity dot com guys!
Sorry but slightly off topic too:
@allcanadian
QuoteA little off topic here but I just bought a wattmeter and put it on a small portable stereo, it pulls 3 watts with everything off and 5 watts at 3/4 volume. That is the extent of the stupidity displayed by our current electrical engineers and pretty much speaks for itself.
This taunting remark about mainstream physics sounds very good to me. But I'm not sure to get it perfectly straight. Could you tell us more?
Best
I'll take a stab at answering this question...
Basically the tranformers and LED's in the stereo are powered 24-7... Major energy loss when no work is being done. A good counter example is the crystal radio it requires no power even when doing work, you can use a linear amplifier that has minor power loss to hear it loud, but this method of reciever is no longer employed or developed because engineers get a slight inprovement in quality or use and are willing to accept major power losses to get these minor gains in user enjoyment. Rarely these days do any electronic devices get built to be energy savers, and the devices you do see labeled as power savers are still consuming power when not in use.
Buy one of these:
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B000KHW1Y6/dealtime-ce-feed-20/ref=nosim
Test your home devices!
My wattmeter plugs in the wall and you plug something into it, it measures amps,volts,watts,Kwh,and max I,V,watts.
What I found is my called parasitic current draw I believe. Everything is drawing current when it is shut off, why is a basic radio drawing only 1/2 as many watts when everthing is shut off? That is 3 watts when it is off and 5 watts at 3/4 volume, that is bad engineering. And my fridge was drawing 34 watts and nothing was running and no the door was not open.
I mean no offense to any EE's here at least it means they are willing to learn. This old dog has learned quite a bit from this forum, but it's hard to explain to people what you know when you have worked with circuits since you were 8 years old and programmed computers starting on the Vic 20. I met a 2nd year computer tech who didn't know what the hell a logic gate was, can you imagine that!
Unfortunately all of the EE's I know just don't give a damn, they do there job the way they were taught, do as there told, thankfully I can come here and talk with intelligent open minded people and learn a thing or two, and learn I have.
This parasitic draw is easy to fix though, use coils on the input lines to the transformer and a comparator to measure current. Logic says that if the current draw falls to a predetermined level the appliance is effectively off. So a relay turns it off completely, then a trickle circuit drawing microamps waits for a voltage drop telling it the appliance has been turned on, at which point the relay opens and the transformer can do it's job. As well a Capacitor can use itermitent draw to charge and power LCD clocks and such without the complication of parasitic draw.
Too easy
Quote from: Groundloop on December 10, 2006, 10:45:14 AM
@Dave,
I'm in the x-mas spirit too, so PM me your address and you will receive one PCB of my 3x555IC tpu board for free! I have the pcbs in house the 18th so yours will arrive the 22th of Desember, if you want it? ;D
(https://overunityarchives.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fhome.no%2Fufoufoufoufo%2Ftpu%2Ftpupcbas.gif&hash=27dee45b3f556cfb5885107d7dc428ebbaab7dcf)
This is a approx. full size view of the PCB.
Can I get one of these PCBs and a parts list so I can add the components or can you supply them as well. Email me at smcdonal@kos.net
Thanks
I am new to this and learning as i go.
Regards
Stan
Alex.
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Hi Alex,
Please post the eagle design as I can make up my own boards myself.
Have you flood filled the board?
I always find the pads for resistors and caps are very small and I have to edit the part to make them bigger to avoid them lifting during soldering.
200 Euros for 4 boards, thats a lot.
I need to work out a design using 3 XR-2206 chips.
Regards
Rob
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Hi Alex,
You have been busy with various projects!
I think I have looked at your website before, sorry for not spotting that.
Regarding the MEG circuit on your site. Small comment, the pulse applied to the coils need to be in one polarity only, the reversal of the field polarity is achieved by the other of the 2 input coils, so its a simple push-pull arrangement for the 2 coils - no need for a complex H bridge.
Here are a few ideas I have had for the TPU:
Using the XR2206 (4 off), 3 for the 3 frequencies and one for 7.83Hz sine wave feed into:
1. Pulse width, to vary between 1% and 50%, giving a sort of amplitude to the pulse.
or
2. VCO input to alter the frequency up and down by say 5% at 7.83 times a second. (FM signal of 7.83Hz)
I think with this arrangement the sound from the whole setup will be very weird.
Regards
Rob
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Quote from: HMM on December 16, 2006, 07:06:16 AM
Allright,
I have ringing in the coils I can clearly see the signals adding to a bigger one but when I add a load it all diminishes.
I have found the 3 phase drive to put out more power but still no OU?
Best yet half bright 60w ::)
later
Mike
Hi Mike,
so about 30 Watts out ?
How much power do you feed about into the control coils ?
Can you test with a capacitor parallel at the collector output coil ?
How big is the amplitude at the ringing resonance point ?
What does your scope shot exactly show ?
Many thanks.
Regards, Stefan.
Dear all,
I now have 3 proper signal generators and working on some mosfet and tube drivers to run the TPU. Tests to come soon...
D.
What?
No frequency counter to go with them?
Hey, is that calibration sticker expired?
Just razzing you, Dave.
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Hey you guys, maybe someone can try what I have been looking at for the last day or so, because I can't seem to figure this out.
I have a PC frequency generator running on my high quality sound card, then into a small sound mixer that sends the signal through the head phones output. I put both left and right sides together for mono output frequency feeding my home built TPU (my own version). I have had no luck at all even seeing a spike of any kind out of the ordinary. I can even hear the frequencies 1, 2 3 or more if desired on my PC speaker system. Really freaky sounds.
My oscilliscope is a Hitachi V-650F 60MHz model and it is working fine on other things that I use it for.
Anyways, to make a long story short, I got sort of tired of putzing around with the TPU so I started using other regular transformers, and I remembered the other day I was hitting this 110VAC transformer with a 12VDC impulses shock and had seen some high voltages comming out the tranformer in the 800 VDC range. One of you said this was normal for a voltmeter.
Anyways, I made a new set-up with the frequency going to the 110VAC transformer input, and the transformr AC outputs (35VAC-0-35VAC) going to a bridge recifier and then I put a small 12VDC light on that plus my volt-meter and oscilloscope. I then started to play with frequencies.
The result is that with only one frequency, I am feeding the transformer a mV frequency and getting 10.5 - 10.7 VDC comming out. My small DC bulb is steady and bright and the scope is showing the same results. I have found that starting at 72 herts until 140 herts, this power level is the same with maybe slight variation. Adding two or more frequencies is not making any difference.
I made a quick diagram to show what I have tried.
Can someone else try this to confirm this and advise.
@wattsup
what frequency do you use exactly ?
Is it sine or square wave you feed into the transformer ?
If it is square wave, is it exactly an AC square or something that
goes from 0 Volts to 200 Millivolts positive or something like this ?
Please post scope shots of the input and output voltages.
Many thanks.
If you really can amplyfy a MilliVolts square signal with
low power into about 10 Volts at 1 to 2 Watts,
that would be nice !
Many thanks.
Regards, Stefan.
Oops.. I think I just wasted a day of trials. I had so many wires all over the place. While my voltmeter was reading 0.01 on the 20VDC scale comming from the frequency, I had put my scope on the common wire comming from the frequency generator, so I was seeing straight line on the scope and very low voltage on the voltmeter. When I tested the transformer output and was getting 10.6 volts, this seemed great.
I just put the scope on the left/right signals comming from the frequency and now see big movement on the scope around but still only see 0.01 volts on the voltmeter. Geez. Cancel the red alert and back to the drawing board.
However, I do like the esing of frequencies with a regular transformer because there is some direct response that could probably apply to my TPU later on. Sorry to all.
@Grumpy, I have a frequency counter, couple of scopes and all the rest of it, just cant fit it all in the photo!
@Alex, thanks very much, looking forward to receiving it. It will be strapped to the inside of my coil, for self contained frequency generation. (ps. did you drill the holes already ;) )
@Wattsup, I take it you have only one sound card and are mixing the 3 frequencys in stereo and bridging them and feeding to your TPU? This will not work. You need 3 control coils on your TPU and each must have its own frequency, you either need to filter the mono output, but thats silly, or have 3 soundcards, if you can configure that, or 3 PCs. Better to build a circuit of your own or get some signal generators. Another tip, your sound card will not cut anyway, the frequencys cant go high enough.
Regards,
Dave.
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I am thinking the gauge of the control coils and the number of turns may play into this.
I am not getting what I would likek for output either. WHen I sweep my coils I can get approx 60V out with a 10V input (squarewave) but no real current. SO I am thinking the control coils need more windings to increase their resistance and provide more effect on the collectors. Just a thought, looking to build a single section with 30Ga magent wire, with 3 control coils. More testing!
yup ;D
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;D
(sorry, bigger one...)
Dave, stop teasing...
http://www.kz1300.com/hfgc/
Grumpy, my intention is not to tease and I appologise to anyone who feels that way.
Regards,
Dave.
Dave, was not meant as an attack on your person.
Lighten up.
Hi Alex,
Looking at your pulse circuit I think you need to remove those 10 Ohm resistors altogether.
All you are doing is warming up the air.
You need to take them out, drop the input voltage down to say 1V to start with and work your way up. Hopefully you have one of those bench supplies that go right down to 0.01V at 2 to 3 amps.
If you supply the pulse circuit from a different supply you can feed your 3 mosfets with any voltage you want and seeing as you are using heavy gauge wire the lower the better.
Also, because you have a fixed PCB design it may be tricky to change the pulse width, I think if you look at the 555 timer spec there is a duty cycle selection that can be made using the +ve input for an op-amp connected to pin 6 and a potential divider connected to the -ve input, this way you can go from 0 to probably 90% duty.
I am in the process of testing a mosfet couple to a TL494 at the moment, I will let you know how well it works.
Regards
Rob
put the zener diode as close to the mosfet as possible
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Hi Alex,
Yes, I would go for the easy option first, at least you can drop a link across the resistor legs quite easy.
Hi Grumpy,
It is not a zener diode, its a schottky diode, very low dropout, just my poor sketching, the curly bits are a bit unclear, zener has slants:
http://www.onsemi.com/pub/Collateral/1N5820-D.PDF
The other is an ultra fast diode:
http://www.vishay.com/docs/88685/mur420.pdf
Mosfet:
http://www.irf.com/product-info/datasheets/data/irf3707.pdf
Circuit is from page 8 of this document:
http://focus.ti.com/lit/ds/symlink/uc28025.pdf
Regards
Rob
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Hi Alex,
I am building the MEG replication, not the TPU (at the moment).
The input coils on the MEG consist of 2 coils, each with 150 turns of 0.4mm enameled copper wire and are unlikely to carry much current. I have not wound them yet so I cannot say what the resistance will be.
Like I said before, I would say that your input voltage needs to be very low, say only a couple of volts.
If you reduce the duty, then the average current will also fall.
So if you can for now, try a much lower voltage, you have very heavy gauge wire for your input coils. What is the resistance of the coils?
I am guessing the resistance will be less than 0.1 ohms so you will need a good meter to give an accurate reading.
Average current with 50% duty = 18A
Current peak = 36A
Total resistance = V/I = 12/36 = 0.3333 Ohms
IRF540 on resistance = 0.044 Ohms.
Coil resistance = 0.3333 - 0.044 = 0.289 Ohms (this is my guess)
I think you will need to play with the frequencies to find resonance and at that point the output should go up.
Starcruiser is probably the best person ask about testing your setup, I can only advise on pulse driving. Your ideal frequencies will need to match your coil setup, and most likely be a little higher than others because the number of turns your input coils look less than others I have seen on this forum.
Keep us posted on your progress.
Regards
Rob
@groundloop
Did the math on your coils.
P=12X18 for your 216 watts
Take that and solve for the R
That gives you .66666 ohms for the coils. Basicly a dead short for the Fets and thats why the overheat. I have found that a coil needs to be around 6 ohms to run fairly cool. I too have had the same problems with the heating up of the fets. This brings me to take a new look at how big these would need to be vs the purpose involved.
whats wrong with this site?
takes a 100 tries to get a page to open.
oh well back to something more entertaining,,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D3vBW_eW238
Attention
possibly you must ADD the ON resistance from FET TO the coil resistance !!?? (for your calculation!)
Also you can think about that On Resistance is "ohmic"
coil resitance have an "ohmic" DC part
AND an "alternative resistance"
that incresed wit the frequency.
(Best example : Loudspeker 8 OHM.
Test them with Multimeter (mutch loower !!)
The 8 Ohm is for Audio AC Frequency ( 1Khz or higher , ist to find in
data-sheets)
Pese
You should shorten the duty cycle.
If the system works off radiant energy then you need short duration pulses. You will also lessen your power requirements if you do this.
You should shorten the duty cycle.
If the system works off radiant energy then you need short duration pulses. You will also lessen your power requirements if you do this.
Also, why are you guys hitting these things with such high power? The original unit only used a 9 Volt battery. You just need to flick the coils with a fast spike from what I can see.
A very fast transistor and a very short duty cycle will lower your power.
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try open ended control coils, this will show you the electrostatic effect and should eliminate the heating issue with the FET's.
Also you might want to think about a static magnetic field for the coils
Hi All,
I had a longer email conversation yeasterday night with Marco ( user Turbo)
and he revealed the following things to me:
>Hi Marco, will you soon publish, how you
>have lighted the 60 Watts bulb
>with the 9 Volts battery and the
>one wire solution ?
>
>Thanks, Regards, Stefan.
Marco answered:
well it has to wait because we are running close onto the tpu, this goes first.
there isn't much overunity onto that it's more of transferring power.
marco
when i suceed in making the tpu work im going to make a big video with the
cam of my dad and show how exactly to do it from a roll wire and parts to a working thing.
marco
we got size and frequencys , so i was again hit by the tpu virus to give it one more try.
that 9 volt ring was not over unity , i never said it was.
its a ring in a strong field ,like i said direct induction.
so i was transferring power from one point to another.
this is not my goal but i decided to post the clip because the forum
went a bit "dead" to get things going again, and it certainly did.
so sorry if you got the wrong impression.
hopefully soon we all can start to build the real thing.
marco
in both cases the power came of a 800 Ah battery source.
just my way of showing im not giving up and sharing results.....which i know now is not always appreciated.
anyway ,for me its good to see the folks wrapping coils.
the more on the job the faster it goes right?
the second case was also not overunity ,however i truly believe when this is tuned properly to nature sources it can put out overunity.
these were all verry intresting experiments, sometimes dangerous, i still feel there is more to be discoverd.
but main goal is to do the tpu.
so i will continue that one first.
most of the people only want a working overunity design which they can cheaply rebuild and use.
the moment you say transmitter or source everybody starts to yell and call words.
i certainly learnd a lot about human nature.
you are free to post whatever you want to.
marco
hartiberlin wrote:
>marco1977 wrote:
>>in both cases the power came of a 800 Ah source.
>>
>
>Do you mean a 12 Volt battery with 800 Ah capacity ?
>
>What power level did it put out into the transmitter ? ( Volts x amps)
>
>
>
>>just my way of showing im not giving up and sharing results.....which i know now is not always appreciated.
>>
>
>
>Okay, that is very much appreciated.
>Many thanks for clearing this up.
>
>Yes, it might have helped to
>get a few more people to do experiments
>like me ! ;)
yes, you see i worked in a garage and one day there was one new huge battery left over.
the guy that runs the company had computer problems so i fixed it.
he gave me this battery, i filled it up with very much acid, charged it and it's very usefull in my experiments.
marco
well , dave just wanted to show how easy it could be faked, hes a really good guy and hes working the clock round on the tpu again.
his reacerch is very very serious.
marco
hartiberlin wrote:
>And what about
> Dave?s videos lighting the bulb ?
>
>Was this just a cheap fake or how did
>he do it ?
>
>Hmm, I thought he was very serious with his
>research...?
well , dave just wanted to show how easy it could be faked, he is a really good guy and he is working the clock round on the tpu again.
his research is very very serious.
marco
But did he?
Dave didn't say he faked it anywhere that I can see, maybe he meant people to read between in his statements that 'He never claimed it was OU' but I didn't read that as 'I faked it'.
Dave, can you please clarify, I am only casually interested in the TPU, if you verify that you really have had significant energy induction into the 90 degree coil I'll be replicating your work, but if I'm replicating something that hasn't yet worked at all that's not fair.
My interpretation is that Dave simply has a sporadic FE effect he can't reliably induce so he says that it isn't Free Energy, and for all I know he might have got out less energy than he pumped into his coils.
Here are the other I want him to answer:
2: Can you verify that if it isn't faked that it is then putting out energy at least momentarily without any continued input, so it's just a collection of coils?
3: How difficult do you find it to be to get induction into the collector coils with the 3 frequencies being input? Is this effect pretty reliable and can it be found with anything other than the 3 freq.s you put in your pdf?
4: Are you sure that the collector isn't being induced as a one or t turn coil? While the collector is substantially at 90 degrees to the other coils unless you wound the coils back over themselves, or unless the collector is folded back on it's self (2 bucking bifilars in series) there single turn induction should exist, and while I'd expect it to be small it should still be there.
5: To what extent (if at all) does a single collector with 3 control coils over it work (as opposed to 3 of these stacked), does the collector show induction? Does it work unpowered even sometimes?
6: Do you find any gyroscopic type effects or any other resistance to motion effects as exhibited by the SM device? (You'll make my day if it's a yes)
7: Does it get (too) hot?
8: Does it output (pulsed) DC and does the freq. match that of a TPU.
9: Would a normal Oscope, without digital storage be of much use or are the waveforms too irregular?
10: Is the collector coil wrapped around the whole shebang used for anything other that scope measurments?
Incidentally I don't care if it's Free Energy, I'm happy with any true anomoly such as induction of energy into a 90 degree coil, impossible transmission of energy, gyroscopic forces.
I do think that those complaining that a device may have energy input are stupid, the domain is www.overunity.com
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QuoteAlso you might want to think about a static magnetic field for the coils
What, but then the field can't relax - you can't be serious?!? Ha Ha!
;)
Hi crafty Over_Unity_dot_com chaps
A bit off topic and definitely late!
@allcanadian
QuoteBasically the tranformers and LED's in the stereo are powered 24-7... Major energy loss when no work is being done. A good counter example is the crystal radio it requires no power even when doing work, you can use a linear amplifier that has minor power loss to hear it loud, but this method of reciever is no longer employed or developed because engineers get a slight inprovement in quality or use and are willing to accept major power losses to get these minor gains in user enjoyment. Rarely these days do any electronic devices get built to be energy savers, and the devices you do see labeled as power savers are still consuming power when not in use.
Thanks for your kind answer. I have just read it. I see what you meant: your remark was about the stupid design of actual electronic devices (NRG consumption-wise).
I was (paranoidaly) thinking of any hidden overunity behavior which could have been detected (in some 'reactive' electronic devices) by a mere "Watt Electric Power sage Monitor". :-[
BTW1 : It is not so stupid electricity-compagnies-turnover-wise :))
BTW2: A friend of mine made the following observations :
Sounds like that (in France) the resistance of all the cores of the new spark plugs were about 5000 ohms. The core resistance of the old ones were zero. Actually, I have cheked some of this : I have found some spaks plugs with 0 ohm and some with 5000 ohms.
I have read on the web that this (internal SP) resistance is used for avoiding RF interferences. The problem is that the Ignition Leads have also their own resistance for the same purpose. Why?
According to him after some experiments this provides an extra fuel consumption...
Am I missing something?
Perhaps could you test your spark plugs and your ignition leads resistances!
Best
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www.rexresearch.com/zinsser/zinsser.htm
Abstract and Claims:!!! of US4085384
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Quote from: Groundloop on December 22, 2006, 07:33:10 PM
Quote from: Grumpy on December 22, 2006, 07:15:53 PM
QuoteAlso you might want to think about a static magnetic field for the coils
What, but then the field can't relax - you can't be serious?!? Ha Ha!
;)
I tried to run my TPU unit with open ends on the three input coils. I got 160 milli Volt of signal out of the output coil. When I held a Neo magnet near the coils, the output voltage gained 40 milli Volt.
So the idea about static magnetic field is not so dumb after all.
Alex.
Have you tried to power the Outer coil to create the static field??
Collector (Inside), Control (Middle) and Feedback (Outer) coils in the TPU. Is it really a feedback coil? perhaps not. Things to be tested.
What I am saying is the magnetic field needs to affect the entire collector to polarize the copper atoms to reduce resistance, the addition of an external field (neo magnet) may or maynot be required. Using a small magnet, I believe, will not provide enough coverage. This may also direct the field rotation, remember the comments from SM about the spinning compass?
Just some thoughts....
@Grumpy,
Does it really need to? How about just affecting it?
A static field is beneficial. It need not be very strong. Think of it as a spider web.
Axial field that is - not like the outer one - a few loops will do.
(See the work of the late Dr. Stefan Marinov.)
There is no warranty that the information contained in the following link is correct but something else to think about:
"http://ray.tomes.biz/maths.html"
Notice the flow of energy between the harmonics.
AM
AM,
That made my brain itch. :o wow so many combinations. Thank you for the read, i enjoyed it much.
Moab.
If you look at the harmonics associated with the Dirac's proverbial "delta function", you will see that they are infinite, and that the amplitude of the pulse is infinite. This mathematical convenience and can not be achieved in reality, but you can get pretty close. So, one very short pulse is like a thousand pulses.
A short pulse has many harmonics that are equally short, but have lower amplitude - it's still energy.
Filtering in the time domain will give a precise waveform, but you might have all of hell breaking loose in the frequency domain.
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you can test a 2 4 6 frequency,in like that order see if that improves on cop.
Quote from: Grumpy on December 23, 2006, 12:13:36 AM
one very short pulse is like a thousand pulses.
Grumpy,
How short is short?
There are two ways of opening a door 1- with a key 2- with a sledge hammer. I see many experimenters using "high voltage" or "high frequencies" etc.
patent 4085384 show EL152's are used but when it comes to valves I know nothing.
AM
See the "Pulsers Only" topic.
I don't believe that the patent quoted is directly applicable to the TPU, or even indirectly.
Hi GRUMPY,
US4083584 Zinsser
DE3006520 Florian Popescu page 4-7
WO001983001713 Ferdinand Cap
I think there is a co-relation with the SM-device-process,
but do not ask me about fundamentals,
this is Macro-(Astro-)/Micro-(Quantum-) Physics Sphere !
Section: paramagnetic generator
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Quote from: Groundloop on December 23, 2006, 01:25:07 AM
QuoteCollector (Inside), Control (Middle) and Feedback (Outer) coils in the TPU. Is it really a feedback coil? perhaps not. Things to be tested.
Carl,
Please make a drawing on how you connect the above coil system to a 3 oscillator system.
Alex.
@Alex,
I will draw something up that shows the current test wiring I am using, will probably post later today or tomorrow, the holiday is squeezing my time this weekend. Generally there is much debate on the correct wiring of the coils but there are a few ways to do this and get a better output. I am working on trying a few permutations that seem to improve the output and will share this. If interested you can use this patent as a starting point for the control coil wiring.
As to connecting the oscillators, Generally the control coils can be fed with a pre-mixed signal (all frequencies in the same feed using a transistor/fet at the output of each osc to buffer. Another method is to feed each TPU "Layer" with its own Frequency and allow the transformer effect between adjacent control coils to perform the mixing action in the coils.
Apply a DC voltage to the outer coil to provide the static field (adjust the voltage and see what value works best, i.e. the output on the collector(s).
You might want to try connecting the negative end of the feedback coil to one of the collectors leads to increase signal output. Try a few combinations to see what produces the best output on the scope.
You should use a non grounded scope and power supply to avoid killing the oscillation. If using a regular AC powered scope try using an isolation transformer on the scope to help with this. I have been using a battery (12vdc) for the power source to avoid PS issues with grounding.
With these concepts I feel it is important to look at the coils resistance to avoid overheating. We need to remember that the output is the collector coils and the other coils are there for inducing the effect, so this would mean that the control and feedback coils need not be a heavy gauge of wire but a gauge that would provide enough resistance to limit current flow from the power source but still provide the desired effect.
I firmly believe the control and feedback coils inductance and inter coil capacitance plays a role here and needs to be considered. I am saying this since these will affect the sweet spot frequencies coupling. Remember we are looking for resonance to transfer power.
Now I must say these are my theories and I am working on proving them but I am willing to share them in the hopes we can all benefit and find the answer. Please let us all know what results you get.
Quote from: AhuraMazda on December 22, 2006, 11:19:01 PM
There is no warranty that the information contained in the following link is correct but something else to think about:
"http://ray.tomes.biz/maths.html"
Notice the flow of energy between the harmonics.
AM
Very interesting, I was thinking along the same lines as well as a few other people. The thinking is that the 3 frequencies need to be harmonics of each other. According to that paper the best harmonic would be the 12th or 24th. With this in mind then should we be looking at a signal source that provides an adjustable harmonic scale for the 2 other frquencies?
This would also seem to indicate that the oscillator design should provide for a single VCO (stable signal source) with a programable multiplier and divider network to generate the required harmonics.
What do you think?
Frankly I'm more interested in the device at this site http://www.kz1300.com/hfgc/ because there is a workable theory behind it. I've been rereading the description for days now and contemplating how to build it. This TPU thing is irritating the hell out of me, in that there are too many questions that the inventor would not answer. He wouldn't even reveal the frequencies or post the coil drawings.
The Harmonic Frequency Generator Circuit is predictable in its operation and there's good theory behind it. However, the guy that posted the information about it will not post the patent application, most likely because he wants to make some money off it (although he doesn't admit it). He does, however, claim that one can build a unit by the information that is on the site. He told me that he was an investor and he saw the thing running, but he can't answer any technical questions about it. I think he is trying to recover some of his money by selling the patent application; but he does not want to say he is selling the information outright because it is not his intellectual property (this is my opinion). He says he will scan the documents for a $200 free and put them on CD.
Anyway, at this time, that's where my design energy is going.
@mrl: That Harmonic Frequency Generator sounds intesting. Start a new thread when you get things going!
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Why he DIDN'T FAKE IT.
How likely would you be to fake such a thing, he's been working on this stuff for what, about a decade, has a website and has joined 'The Ranch Project'.
He is very very unlikely to fake this.
Furthermore how did he fake it? the LED in the light bulb trick? Well maybe but it appears to only be on as he makes contact with the wires, it acts the way you expect with it flickering as contact is momentarily lost.
Also he only said that he wanted to raise spirits and that it wasn't Free Energy, and that it was not a reliable effect, sometimes it just worked and sometimes it just didn't, if he was admitting to faking it he wouldn't have said the latter.
Also if he way faking it, would he have gone on to build so many different versions?
I mean he has now build quite a few versions.
And Otto has apparently had results:
Hello all,
I just lost a post, I will try again
My input power was 12,5V/950mA from the power supply measured with a ANALOG voltmeter and ANALOG ampermeter.
The signals measured on my 60W light bulb was around 160V and without bulb around 170V. This was measured with a scope HAMEG 208 (2x80MHz). I did NOT measure the current at my bulb.
Otto
So I think it is solidly unlikely that Dave was saying 'I faked it' an Lindsay and Marco suggest.
Now I do hope he will answer some more questions, but this just doesn't add up to a fake to me, at least not if you don't doubt Free Energy and the reality of the SM device.
no time to spell check
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This is , what Marco wrote me again:
yes the reciever is in the capacitive field just like my hand reaching the coil with the light in one of my early video's, just at that time i saw the field was there but i didnt know what it was, it seems to be evrywhere.
so i create a big controllable dielectric field , much bigger then the magnetic part, and i believe this is orgin of true (natural) electricity.
its a system ground just above real ground, then the bird, then another system2 ground above.
im seeking to use more foil at diffrent angles/times to see what it does.
anyway it has to be lmd.
but i guess you figured that part out already
the first coil was a disaster giving me a lot of shocks and the transmitter had to be verry close, like in direct coupling, with alot of loss.
so , no overunity there, i never claimed it too.
but by making that video i discoverd the negative potential
so when doing such experiments im always surprised by new unknown happenings, and this does take me further.
by showing my work most of the people think i have it all or so, but its a long way and i only want to show im making progress.
=====
And he added today:
i already posted it over on your place how it works...
i posted it right after i showed the video.
nobody read it i think.
did you see my drawings on the tpu?
they are horrible.
i cannot even draw a normal coil.
when i have a spare minute i will try to draw something, this always takes a long time for me because it's always wrong so i have to start over 10 times.
i have a table, it's on little wheels so i can move it.
so there was one foil under the table just above earth ground.
then on the table the bird.
then above the bird the second foil.
double impulse currents between the foils creating a very heavy potentional diffrence with and without ground and a resonating bird.
when you touch a foil which is disconnected the surface is verry smooth.
when it is higly charged and you move your fingers over it you can hear the frequency and the surface is "sticky" not smooth at all.
when you use a grounded circuit the 50 or 60 Hz comes thrue , when u use no ac grid it's just the frequency of the generator.
ensure the frequency is high enough so you wont get shocked.
oh, and open the windows for fresh air when it begins to shizzzz.
also ground and shield the cam if you want to film it otherwise it will freeze.
Marco.
And Marco added:
i alreday gave a good explenation of how it works, nobody seemed intrested to read it.
its adding up reflecting pulses so the voltage rises.
as the pulse comes back there is another one fired ontop of it so they add.
this is reached by adjusting the frequency to a sharp point in which the neon bulb lits bright.
marco
Regarding Dave?s TPU video joke,
that i probably why he deleted it later :
>marco1977 wrote:
hi, offcource i don't know 4 sure.
i said that because he showed me a magic bulb with batterys....
now i believe hes pissed at me.
marco
>>>Did he show you a picture of this magic
>>>bulb, or did you have a video Messenger
>>>communication with him, or how do you know that ?
>>>
>>>Many thanks, Stefan.
Marco replied:
he gived me a link to a online shop where they sell these.
>
>
I replied:
>I see, well, he probably then ordered one
>and wanted to make some fun with us...
>Hmm... then I can understand, why he
>deleted the videos.. seems he was too
>ashamed to post, that it just was only a joke.
But I agree, that Dave is otherwise a serious researcher and
that he is very strong into the TPU.
I wonder, what his new big unit will show.
I hope he will soon update us on this.
Many thanks Marco.
Regards, Stefan.
Quote from: Groundloop on December 23, 2006, 06:41:10 PM
Quote from: aether22 on December 23, 2006, 03:42:21 PM
Why he DIDN'T FAKE IT.
How likely would you be to fake such a thing, he's been working on this stuff for what, about a decade, has a website and has joined 'The Ranch Project'.
He is very very unlikely to fake this.
Furthermore how did he fake it? the LED in the light bulb trick? Well maybe but it appears to only be on as he makes contact with the wires, it acts the way you expect with it flickering as contact is momentarily lost.
Also he only said that he wanted to raise spirits and that it wasn't Free Energy, and that it was not a reliable effect, sometimes it just worked and sometimes it just didn't, if he was admitting to faking it he wouldn't have said the latter.
Also if he way faking it, would he have gone on to build so many different versions?
I mean he has now build quite a few versions.
And Otto has apparently had results:
Hello all,
I just lost a post, I will try again
My input power was 12,5V/950mA from the power supply measured with a ANALOG voltmeter and ANALOG ampermeter.
The signals measured on my 60W light bulb was around 160V and without bulb around 170V. This was measured with a scope HAMEG 208 (2x80MHz). I did NOT measure the current at my bulb.
Otto
So I think it is solidly unlikely that Dave was saying 'I faked it' an Lindsay and Marco suggest.
Now I do hope he will answer some more questions, but this just doesn't add up to a fake to me, at least not if you don't doubt Free Energy and the reality of the SM device.
no time to spell check
@aether22,
Read post #932 in this thread again.
QuoteMarco:
well , dave just wanted to show how easy it could be faked, hes a really good guy and hes working the clock round on the tpu again.
in both cases the power came of a 800 Ah battery source.
So the input power to the electronic was low but the real power came from a 800 Ampere/Hour battery. Marco plainly is saying this in his mail to Stephan. You deside.
I can't comment on Ottos research because I haven't seen any measurements or other results posted.
Alex.
I don't see the '800 Ah battery source' part, but anyway this is Marco's interpretation.
Maybe he did fake it, but I can't see where Dave says that.
Also in the video Dave has only his small TPU and no electronics driving it, if he is faking it, it can only be with a magic shop bulb, possible of course.
Also see #959:
>marco1977 wrote:
hi, offcource i don't know 4 sure.
i said that because he showed me (a link to a website with) a magic bulb with batterys....
But while that makes it less likely, just pointing out that such websites exist isn't a case of actually buying and using such a bulb to fake a video.
It's also clear that Dave has some real and interesting research with the 'kick' scope traces, though this might have justified for him faking it because it's 'for the cause'.
Still why would he make larger and larger ones if he is putting in the pulses and getting nothing?
It's also possible that he both faked the video and yet has had an effect much like that which he 'faked' only didn't get to catch it on video.
Oh well, now I don't know what to believe, Dave, please clear this up one way or the other, he hasn't objected so who knows.
Does anyone in this entire thread even have a clue as to what this power producing ring even is, much less how to use it.
Haven't you read the simple requirements that Nikola Tesla outlined?
What of the desperate clues that Mannix has posted?
Without a theory of how the goal is achieved, you are just pissing in the wind! Fancy boards, huge coils - all for not!
Over 6 months of how to wind a coil - it doesn't matter!
All that matters is the amplitude of the pulses (voltage level), the pulse width, and NO reverse current.
Collect it any way you feel like winding wire.
Shit, you can get 4ns pulses for a couple of bucks using a 74ACT74 and a 74ACT00 with a low mhz (like 4mhz) oscllator feeding them - shit load of harmonics - looks like a damn comb generator - freakin' mondo pulses.
I'm getting off the soapbox now - time for another beer.
Amen to that brother!
Grumpy,
I assume you are referring to amplification of input pulses via the radiant effect, but not the TPU's final effect, which sounds like superconductive magnetic resonance done with natures rf? ie., I don't think anyone is going to get the "explosive" (or implosive) effect unless the control coils are wound a certain way and the frequencies are found.
Kent
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Well I agree, SM has not IMO given enough info for someone to be too likely to replicate his work, which is why my interest was minimal until I saw this thread.
Turbo sure hasn't, Dave hasn't answered as to if he faked it or not and much the same with Otto.
If those two have had success we are very close, if not then we are effectively nowhere.
However that's not quite true, there are lots of other devices out there many similar to the SM device, and IMO if we looked at the common features and got a sense of the underlying principles behind these devices, know what 'tricks' they use to do what they do we could put all these devices together ourselves. (rather than needing to copy a device we could design our own in much the same way we can design an electric motor)
There are PLENTY of AG & FE devices out there, and more all the time, what is lacking is an understanding of how they work, not more devices.
The only way this is going to stop being 'magic' and begin being science is when people are ready to put a bit more effort into understanding how these technologies work.
One thing I'd like clarified, do we know in SM had his collector coil at 90 degrees to the controller coil as Dave has?
And did SM claim that the DC output was not merely rectified somehow? (because these two things are impossible for anything like normal induction)
Obviously if your going to think about how the SM device works you have to consider the nature of the aether vortex and gyroscopic effects this device has, actually that's what attracts me to this technology.
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Hi Alex,
Yes, Turbo's experiment was false and so was Dave's, although to be fair Dave did say it was not over-unity and only done to encourage others to try the experiment.
Otto, I'm not so sure about, he does sound genuine and appears to be having genuine problems.
I think you need to take the failures you have had and put them behind you and plod on.
Otto mentioned in his last post about sync'ing the three oscillators in time, that would mean some kind common multiple of frequency for the three frequencies.
To achieve this means using a master oscillator and then three divide by n circuits.
This is probably a stupid question, but have you checked that when your oscillators are coupled to the coils they are actually oscillating?
If you have the sort of current being used that you mentioned then it might be the oscillators are failing to pulse correctly or stalling each other during the "On" cycle.
Can I suggest that you drive the oscillator from a seperate supply to avoid this issue.
Let us know how your testing continues.
Regards
Rob
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You can believe that capacitative coupling crap if you want. Turbo understood what he was after and achieved it. Until everyone acused him of trickery and then his identity was exposed, he was telling you all about radiant energy.
As for winding of the coils - who cares? If you are not kicking them right then it makes no difference - just a roll of wire and sore fingers.
Quote from: Groundloop on December 24, 2006, 07:55:30 AM
Rob,
Yes! :-) I have a O-scope. I also said in a post that I got much of the same osc. mixed signals as Dave did. Remember?
I have not had any failures! My circuit worked perfect the first time I switched it on. It was the TPU method that failed.
Alex.
Hi Alex,
you were the one with the professional done PCB board with the 3 x 555 timers.
With waht current pulses did you drive the coils ?
What frequencies did you try and what were the exact waveforms ?
Maybe you can post a few scopeshots of what you have done ?
Many thanks.
Regards, Stefan.
.
Guys,
Here is a schematic I found on the net ( http://home1.gte.net/res0658s/fatman/4046pll.html) that can be modified with a little work that will provide a frequency multiplier to do our bidding.
The VCO source can be a 555 circuit, a AD654 VCO chip (I included the spec sheet) or your favorite signal generator. This circuit will give us a stable 3 frequency (or more) outputs from a single oscillator source.
My issue has been getting the 3 frequencies to line up properly due to drift of the 3 seperate osc. So this one looks relativly cheap and should give us what we need.
Highlites:
multiple harmonic outputs
included mixer (if you want to try it that way)
PLL source (for stability)
can be modded to provide other harmonics
Squarewave output.
Micropower consumption (should be able to run this off a 9vdc source)
Check it out it might help you.
Merry Chirstmas to all!
Hi Alex,
OK, have you tried to split the supply for the mosfets and the pulse circuit?
Have you tried a single pulse only and see what output you get?
Can you scope the input of a single pulse and the output so I can see what the results are.
Regards
Rob
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Hi Alex,
Has your scope got storage, that helps load for taking photos.
Yes, run a single 555 so you can monitor the effect of one pulse input only.
In theory even with one input, you should get some kind of output.
Ideally it would be nice to see 80 to 90% of the input as output, but because the windings are at 90 Degrees and that there is no ferrous core material, that may not ever be possible.
If you have any op amps kicking around you could build a pulse width control circuit.
Those using Ubuntu "Edgy Eft" (Linux) like myself, the spell checker for firefox 2.0 is such a help. ;)
Rob
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wacking a coil with several amps will only create an empty fire extenguisher.
more output = higher voltage
Voltage too low - kick it up - several circuits around for "voltage multipliers" - passive components
Current input is not relevant here. Some of the devices had one or 2 9v batterys in to power the oscillators and later some were start by a few swipes of a magnet because certain investors couldnt see how the the bulbs couldnt be powered for that long by a 9v battery alone, all they could see was "well, it has a battery running it so whats so special". Ignorance is bliss!
The key is the right mix, pumping high current in is not the answer, it implys magnetic induction where none can take place. The key is the right mix and then the feedback.
Regards,
D.
Hi Alex,
with my TPU tests with the 0.47 uF cap in parallel at the collector coil output
I got about 80 to 90 % of the input at the output I would say.
And I used only milliwatts to drive the control coils...
so next time I have time to experiment with it,
I will try to drive it with at least 5 Watts per
control coil to see, what is coming out...
But if nobody sells me a 3x frequency square wave generator,
I have to build it myself, which costs more time to complete..
Regards, Stefan.
Merry Xmas to All,
Special Thanks to Stefan for keeping the forum up and going.
Regards,
Dean McGowan
Yes, Merry Christmas to All and be the Power with you
for the new year! ;D
Regards, Stefan.
Quote from: hartiberlin on December 24, 2006, 06:27:21 PM
But if nobody sells me a 3x frequency square wave generator,
I have to build it myself, which costs more time to complete..
Stefan check out that circuit I posted, if your gonna build a frequency generator for testing a TPU this may be the way to go instead.
BTW, Merry Christmas!
Hi All,
I have tried the replication of Turbo.
3 oscillators 555 based.
Power supply 9 to 12V.
Total current 2A to 3A
Freq: 33Kz, 160Khz and 44Khz.Many other frequencies have been tested without success.
voltage on the output coil :35 to 60 V peak to peak.No power current.
I am very disappointed by the concept.
Marcel Thibault
(France)
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Quote from: Groundloop on December 22, 2006, 07:11:40 PM
All,
Does anybody have the patent pdf for the TPU?
If you have it, please post it here or provide a link.
Alex.
http://overunity.com/stevenmark/TPU.rar (http://overunity.com/stevenmark/TPU.rar)
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Alex,
I have never seen a patent for TPU either. I don't think it exsists.
Regards
AM
Thats right Groundloop, there is no such patent for the real TPU but consider this...
Steve Mark or anybody else would never have been allowed to patent a 'free energy device'. If he tried it would have been hushed up on national security grounds or he would have gotten a lot of heat from the etablishment.
So what is fairly obvious, in order to protect intellectual property, they have taken the core elements of the TPU and patented it for another use/field. I am convinced the patent contains important elements of the TPU design and is worth looking at closely.
The trick is figuring out what is a part of the tpu and what is obfustication.
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MERRY CHRISTMAS TO ALL!
It seems there are 100 patents, all relating to parts of the control circuit only, the coils are not patented and the control circuit has been strategically split up and patented under other names so we will never find it all and put it together.
No real power will be seen until feedback is used to achieve run away! A tiny current surge maybe be seen with the right mix of frequencys, but its very small and amounts to nothing. Only when the signal with this little extra surge is fedback can anything major begin to cycle!
Magnetic coupling is not used here! If the first coil fires and creates an electrostatic coupling, this signal will then ring off as a damped AC oscillation. But if you fire the next coil at the right time, and then the 3rd you can prevent the damped oscillation from occuring and keep it at DC, albeit noisy DC. One thing some of you may have already noticed is even with what you have already and the small load resistors or small lamps is the output does not drop in voltage when loaded compared to just open circuit with high impedance scope probe attached. Remember, this is a big part of the TPU shown in the videos, no real drop under load. This can be because there is no back coupling!>!!
Best regards,
Dave.
Nice Christmas and happy new year
Any other way to download?
http://overunity.com/stevenmark/TPU.rar
As PDF DOC or HTM ?.
1 i will not buy WINRAR
2. is not possibel to install this at stranger PCs (Internetcafe enz.)
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Many thanks,
this help!
to "learn" more
Hope this is same-
This PDF was shown in past in forum.
i think will not help to success.
Pese
Quote from: starcruiser on December 24, 2006, 10:23:51 PM
Stefan check out that circuit I posted, if your gonna build a frequency generator for testing a TPU this may be the way to go instead.
BTW, Merry Christmas!
Please post the link again.
Thanks.
Quote from: hartiberlin on December 25, 2006, 05:51:54 PM
Quote from: starcruiser on December 24, 2006, 10:23:51 PM
Stefan check out that circuit I posted, if your gonna build a frequency generator for testing a TPU this may be the way to go instead.
BTW, Merry Christmas!
Please post the link again.
Thanks.
http://home1.gte.net/res0658s/fatman/4046pll.html
Quote from: archon79 on December 25, 2006, 06:31:11 AM
Thats right Groundloop, there is no such patent for the real TPU but consider this...
Steve Mark or anybody else would never have been allowed to patent a 'free energy device'. If he tried it would have been hushed up on national security grounds or he would have gotten a lot of heat from the etablishment.
So what is fairly obvious, in order to protect intellectual property, they have taken the core elements of the TPU and patented it for another use/field. I am convinced the patent contains important elements of the TPU design and is worth looking at closely.
The trick is figuring out what is a part of the tpu and what is obfustication.
1-What was stopping Steve Marks from patenting his device in a MIB free country?
2-If the patent you refer to is so obscured that even hides it's used then nothing stopping you launching a patent that converts scalar energy to electrical energy.
3-I really am not sure how you would be able to claim an invention and sell it with out a patent. Let's put it this way, if you find out how the TPU works and start making Billions out of it, the company that SM sod his invention to, can not stop you so they will be out of pocket as they have no legal protection.
AM
SM is a US citizen.
He was made an offer he couldn't refuse.
You are lucky he provided even a hint.
Those who wish to covet this technology do not care about billions, patents, or rights.
There are so many coil designs that will work that they can not be protected.
The drive circuit is too simple to protect. Don't believe the hype.
SM never stated that the coil arrangements in the videos were the best arrangements...
The technology involved is larger than one person and the group seeking the solution.
Do not give up.
Pulses. Fast rise, short duration, fast fall. Absolutely no reverse curent.
Quote from: AhuraMazda on December 25, 2006, 10:38:54 PM
1-What was stopping Steve Marks from patenting his device in a MIB free country?
2-If the patent you refer to is so obscured that even hides it's used then nothing stopping you launching a patent that converts scalar energy to electrical energy.
3-I really am not sure how you would be able to claim an invention and sell it with out a patent. Let's put it this way, if you find out how the TPU works and start making Billions out of it, the company that SM sod his invention to, can not stop you so they will be out of pocket as they have no legal protection.
AM
Im certainly no expert on patents, but from what I have heard the patent offices have a policy of not even dealing with claims to do with perpetual motion or free/zpe energy.
The only way to protect your design would be to split the elements up and incorporate them into traditional tech patents. The whole tpu design will still be protected, just not in an immediately obvious fashion.
If you want to make money from a legit free energy design, the only possible way is to sell up to the establishment and have it shelved (as prehaps occured in this case). Steve Mark was very naive to think he could play this small game hiding in the shadows and have it otherwise.
Quote from: Grumpy on December 25, 2006, 11:03:20 PM
Pulses. Fast rise, short duration, fast fall. Absolutely no reverse curent.
Grumpy has been cutting through the disinfo on this forum and stored some great information that was previously deleted. Below is an exchange between TAO and Lindsay Mannix where Steve Marks confirms that he was on the right track.
>(from TAO) So, based on those things, lets look at the Mark device. Lets say Steven put one big stout cable around or in the rings,and all around these he had many many windings. Now, if Steven put into that stout cable a current and before the current could get to the end of the wire, he stopped it's flow abruptly, then perpendicular radiations (the KICKS), the same Tesla observed, would appear and spread from this stout cable, this would cause Tesla'a copper charging effect, which would hit all the other wires in Steven's coils. Now, if Steven wired the coils right and stopped the discharge of the current through the coils he would be able to extract a lot of extra energy from the tap points on the coils. This is basically how Tesla's magnifying transmitter works.
Capacitors discharged ABRUPTLY into a wire, then the current flow is stopped ABRUPTLY before the current makes it to the end of the wire, and this KICK comes out of the wires perpendicularly. This KICK would then charge copper with electrons(hot electricity) or their opposites(cold electricity). It just depends on how you setup the device.
So, I would say that Steven's KICKS have a direct relationship to Tesla's Magnifying Transmitter, its REAL operation.<
(FROM SM) So Lindsay, this guy definitely has the secret. I do not know if he will be able to duplicate power generation, but he does have the secret.
Do you think he knows it?
The only part he doesn't have any idea about is that by starting the oscillation you cause the current to flow in the collector which causes the magnification of the process within the collector which will ultimately produce the greater voltage and power in usable amounts during operation.
Quote from: Grumpy on December 25, 2006, 11:03:20 PM
SM is a US citizen.
He was made an offer he couldn't refuse.
You are lucky he provided even a hint.
Those who wish to covet this technology do not care about billions, patents, or rights.
There are so many coil designs that will work that they can not be protected.
The drive circuit is too simple to protect. Don't believe the hype.
SM never stated that the coil arrangements in the videos were the best arrangements...
The technology involved is larger than one person and the group seeking the solution.
Do not give up.
Pulses. Fast rise, short duration, fast fall. Absolutely no reverse curent.
Very, very, very key elements...
In my single layer TPUs I saw small kicks. The multilayer (2 - 3) is where you will definately see things. Don't put the last outside/feedback coil on and you can alter the configuation layers. This showed great kicks for me. I wish Otto would post his schematics or drawings. PC os's all come with a paint pgm. Or get one by hook or crook. Bottom line is: if you can't produce doco, you got nada. Walk the talk, not talk the walk. Kapeesh? I've seen the fantasy babble too many times. I am also coming from other blogs and this type of crowd grabbing is pervasive.
So the simplest connections would be 1 - 2 or 3 layers, an O-scope(if you don't have one then leave now), 3x 555 timers, and a mosfet or bipolar driver stage. Hook'em up, turn'em on, forget about any electronics and just play with the freqs. Run all coil connections all over the place, serial, parallel, forward, backward, crosscoupled transformers like Telsa pat. and the 390721 & MT 512340. The pancakes from the MT were the quickest to build and produce results. Very sloppy setup and easy. A number of us just did it and surprise! Kicks.
And hey if the is all old news then so be it. You guys are on the right tracks. And also this was a holiday time so things slow down. Let's start the new year off right.
There is only on rule: If you can do it, show it. There is no room for blow without show. My previous posts are back there and I can shove more files if need be.
In example:
Lets rock and roll, adventurers!
And no bitchin. I'm doing my kitchen.
--giantkiller
Merry Christmas and a happy New year!
Careful with the alchohol. Brrrp!
I've realized something pretty exciting from researching a whole load of similar devices over the past few days, including a device you should all take a good look at, the Markovitch device.
First Steve is totally 100% right about the aether moving in his device, and indeed it creates a gyroscopic effect, this can not be created by anything but aether moving in his device.
Now you see I've had a big problem with the SM device and others where seemingly DC is created, cause there is absolutely and I mean 100% no way to have DC electromagnetic induction other than the way homopolar generators do it of course, but while researching a bunch of these devices including others that create 'cold electricity' or 'radiant electricity', it's NOT EM induction as that would be an impossibility.(EM induction is always exactly equal in both direction regardless of what type of f'ed up wave shape you may care to use, also many of these devices are straight DC not DC plus hash as with SM.
It is aetheric induction!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
By moving the aether (as the Kiwi/Aussie? ad says 'you're soaking in it') through a wire (I suspect aluminium wire wouldn't btw) say copper wire, perhaps for better effect thin wire the flow of aether carries along electrons! (you can use a volt meter as an aether detector!)
BTW a filament of tungsten is probably far better, so do try a light bulb even if it's just a Christmas tree one.
This is why it doesn't register on meters properly or power coils effectivly, it's not electricity, it's aether and it must first be converted which probably isn't hard but likely won't happen without some trying.
Batteries and capacitors can also be charged by aether apparently.
Don't ignore this tip, look at the evidence!
Steve Mark is right! (and that squeezing the hose thing to entrain (chase) the aether is also right on)
Also DO try using the output of one collector to power a 90 degree coil, even a collector coil, I have no idea if SM does this but this could be very important knowing what I know about motivating the aether.
And obviously don't trust meters when measuring current, go by light bulb brightness, though voltage measurement seem to be Ok and the current can be calculated as long as you know the resistance of the load.
Right on, friends. My post was a group hug.
Other breaking events in the news:
Pulses Shorter than the magfield latency but off time greater than the inductance. In other words let the previous canon ball hit the target before you fire another one. But right after it hits. That would be the diam also. And also the best point for the next pulse would be right after the latency is gone. Because you have to impact the coil with the full rise time from 0volts. This equates to the highest impact from the harmonic pressure wave. In other words, you are taking advantage of the greatest aperature. If you don?t, you lose the harmonics at the bottom part of the pulse.
Kapeesh?
Whether we've done it before or not, it is a recap for those who choose just to watch, Welcome.
The gift of insight comes from those who do not discount anything. ;)
--giantkiller. Saddle up your horses. We got a trail to ride. 8)
Quote from: aether22 on December 26, 2006, 09:47:49 PM
This is why it doesn't register on meters properly or power coils effectivly, it's not electricity, it's aether and it must first be converted which probably isn't hard but likely won't happen without some trying.
Batteries and capacitors can also be charged by aether apparently.
Don't ignore this tip, look at the evidence!
Steve Mark is right! (and that squeezing the hose thing to entrain (chase) the aether is also right on)
Very interesting concept and the more I think about it you are onto something.
Speaking of the aether, has anybody here ever heard of Wilhelm Reich and his orgone generators? He figured out a way to pull electricity from the aether.
I strongly encourage anyone with a coil outputting anything at all to look at it on the scope.
You can't create DC with electromagnetic or even parastatic induction, so if you have more 'area' on the scope in one direction than the other you have a working TPU like device no matter how weak it is!
And likely from there you can make a fully fledged FE device (TPU or other) simply by making improvements and seeing the results.
Once you are there I suggest that you look around at ideas on this board, pieces of other FE devices and such to see if each one is an improvement or not.
BTW the reason (and I was told this long ago but at the time didn't believe it) that short pulses work is that it apparently induces the aether to flow when the electrons haven't had a chance to react apparently, so this creates an aether flow.
And one of the best things for creating such a pulse is a collapsing magnetic field from an electromagnet (opened by switch), capture the back emf spike and use that.
If you are seeing more area on the scope in one direction (10ms at 20v is equal area to 20ms at 10v and hence normal induction) then please do tell us in as much detail you can stand so we can replicate your device and or understand why it is working, I don't care if your getting no current.
Also please remember to set the scope use the GND function of your scope so you know where 0v is and then measure with the scope on DC coupling not AC!
Now one last tip then I swear I'm done, aether flows induce (or enhance?) aether flow at 90 degrees, so if you have aether flowing through a coil you'll get a beam of aether out of it, I have seen that in different things ad nauseum!
EDIT: on the off chance I get whacked for spilling the beans ;) I'll tell you how likely you could get or enhance and AG possibility with a device like this, first you'd probably want to add an AL or Steel or Iron core (keep the wood too as it seems to work), a single or perhaps 3 seperate single turn hoop coils (I can't decide it it would work better with each one being welded/soldered close or if a break or poor connection would be of benefit)
Then with sufficient insulation charge the hoops (single turn coils) positivle with hopefully 15kv or so keeping the 90 degree control coils with a net netural or even negative charge. (obviously if they are grounded they will become negative, of course bismuth and mercury are 'friends' of AG)
Actually Steve, if your reading this would you mind trying this? Go on you know you want to!
EDIT2: My idea for feedback, first IMO 2 rings are enough, 3 collectors maybe as you could have more than one collector per ring, we know SM made TPU's with only 2 rings, we don't know he ever used 3.
Have a collector in the top ring connected in series to a controller wound coil in the bottom ring and visa versa, this way an aetheric feedback should be created, take the output from a 3rd (and 4th?) collector, also you ought to have a rotating field with controller coils chasing the aether in circles as SM apparently said.
Hello all,
as I see some people are dissapointed, they cant get power from their TPUs... dont give up!! Maybe a little help from me:
My control coils, each: 4 segments, each segment has 170 turns, that means each control coil has 680 turns.
We all have 3 oscillators and on the outputs of the oscillators we should have MOSFETs to pulse our control coils. MOSFETs are a MUST!!! Not oridinary transistors!!!
First I used a IRF 510 and nothing happened. Then I used a IRF 730 and my output pulses 170V. Nice but not enouhg and I tried IRF 840. Now I have pulses over 220V!! Thats gooood!
You ask how I did it? Its very easy: Im pulsing one control coil with one frequency. On the other side of my control coil is the +. My scope is connected to the collector coil. I see little pulses induced on my collector coil. Now I connect my collector coils in a Y configuration. Y !! That means on one side I have connected the 3 collector coils TOGETHER. The other side of my collectors are "open". Nothing jet connected. As I said, I see little kicks when I pulse a control coil. Now, this little signal from my collector coil Im feeding back to the pulsed side of the control coil. THIS IS IMPORTANT!!!! I connect a wire from my collector coil to my pulsed control coil!! The kicks are increasing dramatically!!!! In the picture are resistors. In this moment Im NOT USING resistors because I dont want to heat my home with them. By the way my pulses from the square wave generator are 4V and from my power supply 12-13V.
Now, if I pulse the other control coils too and feed back the signals I get my 100W light bulb glowing.
In the picture you will see the outer coil connected to + and the other side to the "end" of the control coils. This setup Im using at the moment.
In the last days I saw something interesting:
Grumpy posted some important things: high frequency, high voltage, fast on and fast off pulses. Please read his posts. I saw that a higher frequency gives me a much better light on my bulb with 240V pulses. I mean a frequency over 1MHz.
I will try to post my setup.
Otto
Hello all,
in my picture you see the control coils as one coil. This coil is of course in 4 segments and connected like Teslas patent for a rotating magnetic field (cant remember patent no.)
Otto
Otto, are you reading those voltages with a DC or AC setting on your meter/scope? I was very excited because I thought you did it, but one thing has me wondering.
In the diagram you have control coils connected to collector coils, now I think this is fine as long as you aren't measuring the output on any collector coil that is connected to an energized control coil.
Now with a coil as complex as your's there is no way to eliminate some kind of conventional induction because you'd still have single turn induction from the control coils and parastatic (capacitive) coupling.
So please can you put an oscilloscope across your bulb and see if you have DC (or a net DC) induction?
A multimeter MIGHT MIGHT MIGHT pass for a scope, if what you have is DC then it should read on the DC voltage setting of a multimeter where distorted AC may not, I just tried it and indeed it seems to hold up so long as there is a net DC voltage it will read even if it goes negative a bit.
Hello all,
@aether 22
1. My light bulb is connected to the minus and the other end to the collector coil
2. My analog ampermeter measures the amperes at the power supply
3. My scope (on DC) is connected to the collector coils where the bulb is connected. When I swith my scope to AC I have the same kicks. In fact I have on every coil and on every point in my TPU 220-240V kicks.
4. I tried to measure my voltage with a digital volt meter. On DC I have say, 160V and on AC 200V. But digital meters we cannot use because we have a high frequency and the reedings are not relevant.
I tried to conect the collector coils in series, parallel, series+parallel but it was not so good as in my Y configuration.
I also tried to pulse the control coils connected in series, parallel....not good.
Please dont now think this is the original TPU setup. I can only say this is in the moment my best setup.
I have a big problem: my 3 oscillators dont give me the same signals (square waves) on their outputs but Im working on this.
What I know for shure is that at least one frequency is over 1 MHz.
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Hello,
@ Alex,
you have my promise I will tomorrow have all my papers with me and then I can post details.
I have this all posted earlier here and I think all you need is to surch a little. I posted pictures how I connected the cotrol coils, the diameter of my control coils...
Otto
@Alex,
found it at Master of magnetics... site 107 there are my posts about the control coils and diameters of wire...
Otto
Try an analog volt meter then, see what you get.
And while you aren't getting as good results I do suggest you run the following:
A collector coil in the top one should be connected by both ends to a (if the rest are in use even a new one) control coil in the middle one, with a collector coil in the middle one should be connected to a control coil around the top one, this should provide feedback.
Then in the bottom one a collector (perhaps the only collector in the bottom one) should be connected to a volt meter (try analog and digital and try scope) and nothing else (no bulb) and see if you have ANY DC, even a small (millivolt) result is OK as that's real unexplainable by anything conventional, and while it might not look flash as having a few hundred volts at least you know you've got an anomaly.
This is pretty neat, basically a small coil of wire (or any continuous wire) connected to a volt meter is a weirdness detector, if it gives a reading that doesn't immediately vanish (which could otherwise be a low frequency induction) you've got an aether flow as nothing else known to science should be able to create a reading.
I can think of two ways thus far which may create a false positive that could be looked out for, one is that it might be that if you have AC which has more power behind it in one direction than the other, then maybe you will get a DC reading, I'm unsure.
The answer to this is not to pull any power. (no bulb)
The other other thought is that a diode in series or parallel or cap in parallel could give a false positive, so it might be best to stick to just wire and meter.
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@aether22
no problem, I will disconnect everything and connect like you said to see what will happen. The results you will see tomorrow.
Just one question: a collector coil in the top one should be connected BY BOTH ENDS to a control coil in the middle one...
With BOTH ENDS ..do you mean control coil paralel with control coil????
Otto
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@Alex,
ok, tomorrow you will have all you want to know when I have my papers with me.
Otto
Hello all,
just a question to all: why is SM using lamp wire for his collector coils??
Lamp wire is 2 litz wires isolated each with plastic. Why is he using such a wire? He could use a oridinary chopper wire but no, he uses lamp wire!!! I have a crazy idea I must try!!
Otto
Otto,
re:collector wire,
http://www.gn0sis.com/component/option,com_joomlaboard/Itemid,33/func,view/id,30/catid,21/
regards
AM
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@Alex,
please, dont do this. For me is 250 Euros a really BIG money. Wait untill we have some better results. This afternoon I will test my TPU like aether22 told me. If anybody has ideas how to test my setup I will try to do so. I will also build a oscillator like Grumpy posted to get frequencies over 1MHz and we will see what will happen.
We all have to simplyfy all we know about the TPU. In the end we will need only 1 oscillator with 3 frequencies!! Im just now hunting the right frequencies and then I have to built such an oscillator. So be patient and wait a little. I dont want you to say one day this!"#$%&/ guided me in the wrong way!!
@Ahura Mazda
yes, yes, I know but in my mind is .....you know how it is when you have an idea in your mind and you dont care about nothing else looking only to your "program".
There were a lot of very good posts and not so good posts but Im following my intuition. Ok, maybe its not so good but in this way Im learning about the TPU, working on it and in this moment it looks not so bad to me.
Otto
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@otto,
When you have the chance can you please take your multimeter and check the resistance of the coils and let us know what readings you get? It would be helpful if you check each control coil separately as well as when they are connected as in the tesla patent. Also please check the feedback (outer) coil and let us know the resistance of it as well. Iask this since you mentioned that you are using 170 turns per coil, this indicates to me that the wire gauge is probably about 30 gauge, am I correct in this assumption? also is the control and/or the feedback coils single layer or multiple layers?
It appears that you have constructed the coils with a finer wire (smaller gauge) than the rest of us (this was something I was considering and have started testing prior to building the next version). My control coils have 35 turns each for a total of 140 turns per ring. I am thinking I need more turns to increase (amplify) the magnetic/radiant effect.
As far as the oscillator goes, I am in agreement that the 3 signals must be in a locked step to insure a phased relationship between them. I posted a sample circuit that we might be able to use or at least get ideas from earlier in this thread. Please take a look and provide your comment.
I am also intersted in your responses to the above questions as well.
Thanks for your hard work and sharing your results with all of us.
All,
Here is a C&P from otto's post he referenced.
<snip>
What Im doing:
For the new people here
In figure 1 you can see what we are suching for: the KICK or in German Einschaltstrom.
This kick is the first moment of switching ON a DC source.
In figure 2 are shown the wires. We have a collector coil with say 23 fine litz wires. The diameter of each wire is 0,22mm. Around this collector coil are 4 control coils. In my setup each control coil has 170 turns. Wire diameter is 0,5mm.
Figure 3: When you have wound all 4 control coils on the collector coil then form a circle with the collector coil and you have a toroid with open ends.
You need three of this coils.
More comming.
Regards
Otto
<snip>
Here is the pix of the control coil wiring.
From my observation otto is switching at the negative end of the circuit, something that Tesla did to improve the radiant discharge.
Here is a conversion page for the wire from AWG to millimeter.
http://www.powerstream.com/Wire_Size.htm
Otto, the two collector control pairs should be connected to each other (at both ends) and nothing else.
So both ends of the top controller coil should connect to both ends on the mid collector coil, and no other connections should be made so these two are unpowered and isolated electrically, power other controller coils in these two rings. (and same goes for the other pair)
I'm not quite sure if you'd consider that to be series or parallel, I'd say series but the point is each one is not connected to anything else.
BTW try reversing the connections too as there is a 50% chance you'll get it the right way and I'm not even sure what the right way is yet. (the aether inductances must add)
note: As I understand it, Litz wire isn't any bunch of wires, it is only when the wires are insulated from each other, you can get wire with hundreds of insulated cores it in, normal multicore wire is not litz.
When Litz wire , mean the german word "Litze" than ist is only
uninsulated core wire , that is produced , for RF Applications
aswell for "flexibel" (general purpose) wires . (instead singel wires that is not not
for mobil (moving) use as : power-cords etc.
I am not shure that the engl. "litz" is another product !
Pese
Oh yeah, and Otto (or ANYONE else here) do you find gyroscopic or other resistance to motion or vibration from your coils?
Because that would be pretty impressive!
An old "TPU"-invention,1979-Australia :AUS2652277
I repeat the link to :Meredieux,FR667647 - cause coil wrapping
and not common frequencies !
S
dL
Quote from: lancaIV on December 27, 2006, 05:34:01 PM
An old "TPU"-invention,1979-Australia :AUS2652277
I repeat the link to :Meredieux,FR667647 - cause coil wrapping
and not common frequencies !
S
dL
Please post AUS2652277 or provide link.
Regards
AM
All,
Australien Brevet :
http://v3.espacenet.com/origdoc?DB=EPODOC&IDX=AU2652277&F=0&QPN=AU2652277
French brevet :
http://v3.espacenet.com/origdoc?DB=EPODOC&IDX=FR667647&F=0&QPN=FR667647
Regards,
Other patents so interested :
http://v3.espacenet.com/origdoc?DB=EPODOC&IDX=FR2385255&F=0&QPN=FR2385255
http://v3.espacenet.com/origdoc?DB=EPODOC&IDX=FR2680613&F=0&QPN=FR2680613
http://v3.espacenet.com/origdoc?DB=EPODOC&IDX=CZ9603387&F=0&RPN=CZ284333&DOC=caab52f9a04700bf7a34eea8712ed5a54c
Regards,
Je sais,merci beaucoup,mais j?avais un probleme:CZ-translation !
A
dL
Possible connection:
According to this site I was just looking at. (it's on geocities and has exceeded it's BW so checkout the archive: http://web.archive.org/web/20001007150538/www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Lab/1287/markp6.html)
'Tesla and others claim because of the speed differential, energy is obtained. It takes longer for the energy to get through the coil therefore a differential is established.'
Now I have an even better explanation as to why these devices have such 90 degree windings and the evidence is overwhelming, however it is possible there is something to this delay thing also.
I think SM mentioned having 3 collector coils and encouraged testing all possibilities of series and parallel including 2 in series and the other in parallel, well this delay line idea might explain that.
Furthermore I think I recall him saying something about the gyroscopic effect happening only when you have 2 something. (flows, rings, fields I forget)
Also do look into the Markovitch device, it is clearly similar to Steve's device, it can output at least 500 watts and has DC induction which in one of the many wiring configs apparently used is an open circuit! (not the first time I have heard of low voltage DC flowing open circuit)
Between the site above and info on RexResearch, there is enough to replicate, and as it isn't powered at all and the output is DC any energy out is successful functioning, and from the test results it is clear that it is capable of outputting low energies as well as high, which might not sound like a good things except that means you can have a small level of success which is better than getting ziltch until it comes to life big time, so you can improve this device and watch the results from each tweak. Plus it appears to have been replicated at the time.
Hello all,
today is a new day and my post about my kicks of 240V are no more valid.
My kicks are now over 400V!! with a load of a 40W light bulb measured with my scope. This scope can measure 400Vpp but my kicks are bigger. My screen on my scope is full of vertical lines. Today I will connect a 100W light bulb but I think the kicks will not drop.
Now the wire sizes of my TPU:
Collector coil(s) - each
lenght of the wire 60 cm
diameter of each wire 0,22 mm = awg 31
diameter of 1000 pieces = 1 cm
1000 pieces in paralel
I have now 500 pieces in paralel and the result is the same
If I would have 10 or 20 of this wires the result would be the same!!!
SO DONT MAKE THE COLLECTOR COILS LIKE I DID IT!!! NO NEED!!!
Control coil(s)
4 segments
each segment
170 turns
diameter of wire 0,5 mm = awg 24
lenght of 1 turn = 3,3 cm
1 segment has a wire lenght of 5,6 m
170 x 4 = 680 turns for the control coil
lenght of the wire for the complete control coil is 22,4 m
Outer coil (Feedback coil) - coil wound over all the others
4 segments
each segment
56 turns
diameter of wire 1 mm = awg 18
lenght of 1 turn = 14 cm
1 segment has a wire lenght of 7,8 m
56 x 4 = 224 turns for the feedback coil
lenght of the wire for the complete feedback coil is 31,3 m
Dimensions of my TPU
outer diameter 14 cm
inner diameter 10 cm
height 5 cm
This should be the 6" TPU.
Otto
Otto, Do you get any net DC with the setup I suggested? If so what voltage?
Does the bulb glow (and if so how bright?) and how much power are you inputing?
And do you feel ant slight vibration, gyroscopic or resistance to motion effects from it assuming your able to handle it when it runs.
Also are you using a wood core as SM did or just winding wire around wire? There is a good chance it's important to use a wood core as SM does.
You sure are getting impressive results.
Hello,
@aether22
if I understand right I have to connect ONLY the pulses without a + to the coils as you discribed??
If so I think there will be nothing.
With my setup my power supply gives me 12-13V/500-900mA (depends on frequencies) and the square waves are 4V.
My 40W bulb is glowing very nice but not full brightness.
In this moment there is no vibration. I expect a huuum noise when I get the right frequencies because I heard this noise and lost it. A month ago I measured the weight of my TPU and then switched the power and pulses on. Because I was on a low frequency I saw the weight of my TPU was changing and this means for me the TPU in full work will loose weight.
My insulation between each of the collectors is made of cork plates 5mm thick.
Otto
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@Alex
I forgot it
all coils are wound in the same direction!!! My coils are wound..hmm..like a clock moves.
Sorry again my English is not the best!!
Otto
Otto, most importantly I want to see what you get if you connect a single collector coil to your scope (with no other connection between that coil and any others), connect one end of the collector coil to your probe and the other to the scopes ground, does it give you a net DC? What does it output?
If it give a net DC then that's in line with what Steve gets and also impossible with conventional induction.
The reason is that currently your output is directly connected to your input so it it hard to say what is induced by conventional transformer action, what is the result of direct connection to what your inputing and what is a sign your TPU is functioning, the above test is designed to remove as much of that as possible.
Now because I'm utterly sure the aether is moving in the TPU as Steve says there is something I think you could do that may amplify what you get.
I have found more times that I care to count that aether flows in a coil for instance will create another aether flow at right angles up through the middle and that's not a theory, coils wound like the control coils in a TPU will induce an aether flow to move inside the torus, so my thought is that if you add an extra control like coil to the top two rings , and don't power these coils directly but connect them to collector coils so you have this added control like coil wrapped around the top ring shorted by both ends to a collector in the second ring with no other connections, then you do the same with the other control collector pair.
Buy doing this you get a feedback effect where stronger aether flows create stronger aether flows, an increase in ring one creates an increase in ring 2 which creates an increase in ring 1 until the losses in the system prevent any further amplification.
The only note is I can't say which way to connect them so do try reversing the connections, so just swap which end of the collector coil you connect to which end of the control coil.
Also do you have a wooden core? It might be an idea to add one as aether can flow through wood, Mark was sure to cut the wood core of the TPU so it might be important.
Aether22
I have an idea: post please a hand drawn picture if you can and I will do what you say.
Otto
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@Alex,
yes, that is the question now!!!
I connected the segments in series, hmmm, I connected the segments like my control coils, hmmm....
I connected this segments in a totally idiotic way and for today its not for public. I mean I have to understand for myself what I did but as always Im not satisfied and have a lot to test and to reconnect before I post how my feedback coil is connected.
In this moment I can only say that in this feedback coil is a lot of power. Now I have to learn how to use this power.
Of course I will post everything I know but I have first to do a lot of work with my feedback coil(s).
Otto
@Otto, sounds great!
@Aether22, if he removes the feedback to look for what he gets just in the 90 degree collector then the effect will disappear since it wont work without a feedback cycle?!
Regards,
D.
"With my setup my power supply gives me 12-13V/500-900mA (depends on frequencies) and the square waves are 4V. My 40W bulb is glowing very nice but not full brightness."
So at max power we can say about 12 watts max comes from your power supply and you have a dimly lit 40 watt bulb. So can the bulb be 1/4 of its full brightness Otto? Or is it brighter than 1/4 of full brightness?
Regards,
Dave.
Hi ;)
Otto , can you please make some photos from your protos ?
Will be helpfull , i see approximatively what you have build but
not sure how to build the full TPU like your design ;D
And like you , my English is not perfect :-X
And what is your actual frequencies for your controls coils ?
Regards.
Otto, here you go.
Please keep your current setup as much as possible while having the following coils connected as in the .jpg and not connected to anything else, you may need to wind a few new coils to do this.
Hello,
@Dave,
lets say my bulb lights at 1/4 of full brightness.
@Darthmagnet,
no photo because you have a lot of photos of other TPUs here. My TPU is the same.
All TPUs looks like a toroid...
You have all dimensions, number of turns, diameters of wires...
Im speeking other languages too, yhats your language?
About the frequencies I dont know because if I had it ....
@aether22
got it finally. Tomorrow I will have the results but I think there will be nothing.
Otto,
I was looking at the Marckovich design and I am thinking the TPU is based on this with a slight modification. Take alook at the link posted on page 52 near the bottom. Two things that may help you increase the current output ( I am going to try this as well, but you are probably in a better position to try this sooner) for the feedback coil increase the wire gauge to something like 16 or 14 gauge and the other is to try and reverse the winding direction in relation to the control coils.
When you look at the Marckovich design you may see what I am talking about. I am thinking the reversed direction will cause a flux cancellation that will increase current flow. The reasoning for the heavier gauge wire is 2 fold, the load will be pulling from this coil as well as the collector coils and I am thinking we need a 3:1 ratio from the control coil windings to the feedback or secondary windings.
Another thing I just thought of is if we resverse the windings of the outer coil the reversed polarity of the control coils may become un-necessary.
Also, the additional capcitance from the Fets may be providing the required capacitance in the Markovich design (look at the top of the drawing). We also may find the need for only one frequency (injected at the top where the capcitance is located). This would mean the simple transistor oscillator would be the only signal source required since it would contain the harmonics we are seeking anyway. The addition of additional frequencies may just improve the performance. More testing eh?
Take a look at the diagrams I mention and let me know your thoughts regarding my theory.
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I highly recommend if you can afford $30 USD get a KILL-A-WATT line monitor(by P3International.com) for your power supply. I picked one up on impulse and was impressed with the device's 0.2% accuracy. It also computes volts, amps, watts, frequency, VA, and most importantly power factor and total kilowatts vs.time. You can put this on the line side of your power supply and get a baseline unloaded. Then hook up your TPU and drivers, you can determine your power drain in watts or kW/Hr by subtracting the baseline (unloaded power) .
For power measurements (if using a light bulb or other resistive load) on the output of your TPU, I recommend using two thermocouples inverse series connected, one to measure light bulb envelope temperature, and one to subtract and compensate ambient temperature. The output of the thermocouples goes to your millivoltmeter. Calibrate the readings using known input from your variac at several points. Since the load is mainly resistive you can use amps X volts for your calibration of output watts without needing to compute PF. Once the load (light bulb) is calibrated you can hook it up to your TPU and look up power on your mV table. Keep the compensating thermocouple shielded from light and heat from the bulb.
With these two devices you can make fairly accurate Pout vs. Pin measurements.
No need to guess.
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QuoteOr you can use high speed diodes and a capacitor on the output of the TPU. Then run it to a load and use Ohms law.
Some devices/oscillators might get finicky and refuse to start into a capacitive load, although generally the diode/capacitor scheme will work.
Even a lightbulb has considerable inductance at high frequencies. Best to use carbon composition (slug) resistors array or non-inductively wound resistor.
For those in the UK: http://www.maplin.co.uk/Module.aspx?ModuleNo=38343&criteria=PLUGS&doy=28m12
it's a bit late bit regarding litz wire: (post failed to send at the time)
http://home.earthlink.net/~jimlux/hv/litz.htm <say's it's insulated
http://www.mwswire.com/litzmain.htm <say's it's insulated
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Litz_wire <say's it's insulated
It's possible the term is applied differently in different places, but if the wire isn't 'individually insulated' then litz wire is just normal multicore and I don't see what's so special about that for rf applications.
I suspect that just maybe this confusion comes from people seeing that it doesn't have a thick plastic coating covering it. (also generally the insulation burns off when contact with solder is made)
Hi :)
@ Otto :
Can you just tell me if your proto is physicaly like that ?
For my language , i'm not German but French ;D
If your are the same i can start the .... construction ;D
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Quote from: CTG Labs on December 28, 2006, 02:16:52 PM
For those in the UK: http://www.maplin.co.uk/Module.aspx?ModuleNo=38343&criteria=PLUGS&doy=28m12
All,
I am not sure if an off the shelf Wattmeter is going to be any good as they are designed for use on 50/60 Hz mains line. My personal measure of success is a device that can feed it self and light a lamp no matter how dim/bright.
AM
Dear AM
QuoteI am not sure if an off the shelf Wattmeter is going to be any good as they are designed for use on 50/60 Hz mains line.
The original intent was to aid those seeking a low cost method of logging watts drawn and power usage over time. The wattmeter is intended to be placed on the line side of your power supply. Certainly we realize they are designed for 50/60 HZ sine waves. As such they will correctly reflect the power draw of your power supply plus any load. They have built in power factor correction to allow for leading/lagging loads.
We also know that such devices cannot be used on TPU secondary as the frequency and waveform is not standard. That is why the resistive wattmeter using thermocouples was presented. I have used this arrangement extensively and is far better than guessing power by brightness of lamps.
QuoteMy personal measure of success is a device that can feed it self and light a lamp no matter how dim/bright.
Certainly if you have a self running system with feedback, you don't need such devices and can just count the bulbs. Who has one of these running?
No wonder Mannix and SM no longer help you guys out. Like vultures on a carcass, you wait for scraps.
SM already gave you more than enough clues.
Stop pestering the hell out of Otto and start plugging components and winding coils! a little basic EM theory wouldn't hurt either...
Hello all,
@Aether22
this morning at 5 I tried something: I disconnected the + from my power supply, disconnected everything from my bottom collector coil and as you said, connected my scope to this bottom collector coil.
all other connections as in my picture i left as they are. Now I pulsed the coils with 1 frequency and expected to see nothing BUT
the signals are great!!! With the coils pulsed with 1 frequency I saw strange signals. First I saw only a thick horizontal line, then the frequency dropped and I saw this signals with say 100mV and then the signals rised to over 400mV and then dropped, the frequency rised and I had again a thick horizontal line and then again a signal at 100mV....I was 3m away from my TPU so I can say I was not the cause of this signals. It looked like the TPU has his own "life"!!
In the next days I will exactly test what you have sugested because I see there is "something" or to say it better there is a "lot" of things going on.
@Grumpy
thanks a lot, I have only one question: in your 7MHz oscillator you are using 2N3904 transistors?? Im asking because I cant see any signals on my scope or they are too small?? Ok, I see a triagle signal, but a little one. I think we have to discuss the shematic you posted because it looks good and is easy to build.
@Darthmagnet
yes, thats it, sorry I dont speak French
@To all
guys I think its time for you to built your coils and make TPUs. You have all you need and dont think it will cost a lot of money!!
Thanks for your ideas how to measure the brightness of my bulb but I have the best way to do it: when the time comes and I have to measure the brightness of my bulb I will use another of the same wattage, connect it to the 230V in my wall and see if its the same brightness as the bulb connected on my TPU. A few watts difference is not sooo important.
Guys, I think you are things tooo much complicating. Some of you are building oscillators with a lot of electronics, microprocessors....new NASA centers.
In the end of all this you will only need 1 MOSFET with 1 Frequency+2 harmonic frequencies, 1 potentiometer to tune the frequency and thats all.
How I know? Look at SMs 6" TPU. All the electronics is IN the TPU and there is not so much room. And of course my logic tells me the TPU is not soooo complicated as the people think.
Otto
Thanks to Otto, Starcruiser, Grumpy and Vortex1, and Aether22. I had TPU#3&4, 3 layer config and can wire it up a large number of ways. I will try the latest posts here and let everyone know.
Great steps guys.
--giantkiller. I had to take a hiatus. ;)
Hello all,
I just started a new topic about the TPU in German. As you all see my English is not the best but I will of course post in English and from now in German too.
Otto
Hello all,
the next days I will not post because I have no access to a PC.
I wish you all great people here and your families a
HAPPY NEW YEAR
Otto
@Giantkiller
Thanks for the mention.
@Otto,
Thanks for the infotmation and the confirmation of the gauge difference on the control coils. BTW, I tried wiring my first TPU (single collector and 18Ga control coils) using the Markovich design as a guide (control coils in series only with the feedback coil reversed) and the output provided was 6 times the input, no real power but it shows promise. Now I have some other questions to answer and a new TPU to wind. Need to go out today and get some 24 and 30 Gauge magnet wire so I can wind a new TPU (V6).
4 Everyone else,
All I can say guys is that you should use copper wire for the coils (not anything else) and use 24ga or even 30 ga (the finer wire will provide better results) for the control coils and 18ga min for the feedback (I might even try 16ga since this coil is part of the output and will be handling power and will heatup during use). Also, use a single coil (one wrap) for your collectors, but use multiple wires as Otto mentions in parallel (use 16ga or thicker). I plan on using 16ga lamp cord, (single wire) about 10 pieces for ea collector.
With this arrangement I will be able to create my collector bundles (or bands) in a straight line (not looped yet and easier to wind) and then wrap my control coils on them. After that I can form the 3 layers into a loop (will require a former of some sort) and then wrap the feedback coil on all of them.
If you guys follow this formula/design you should be able to see the kicks and the results we are seeing, and the wonderful results Otto is getting.
I must say this information is a compilation of the results and work of several testers and they deserve credit for their contributions. Dave, Marco, Giantkiller, C0mster, and not the least by any means Otto. I feel we are on the edge of cracking this TPU mystery wide open. Now is the time for all who have been sitting on the sidelines to getting going and wind your coils, between what Otto has posted and the above info I provided you should be able to construct your TPU;s.
There is more testing to be done to improve the performance but the recently provided info will get you all to the point where Otto is. The driver circuits are not that difficult and more on the proper design will be forth coming in the days to come. But suffice it to say, you will just need an oscillator that has rich harmonics and it needs to be able to run in the 500Khz area and be adjustable over a 100Khz range. Whether a sinewave output is desirable over a squarewave is still under debate but this should not deter you from building your TPU's and testing. There will be no wasted time, effort or money now!
Lets all help finish this off and help all the others reach the goal of free power!
And again thanks must go out to those mentioned above and the others who contributed but were not mentioned.
@Giantkiller,
Got that Kitchen project completed yet? I have been there several times before (I rehab/flip houses for a hobby) and understand how intnsive it can be.
Quote from: starcruiser on December 29, 2006, 09:57:09 AM
I tried wiring my first TPU (single collector and 18Ga control coils) using the Markovich design as a guide (control coils in series only with the feedback coil reversed) and the output provided was 6 times the input, no real power but it shows promise.
Hi Carl,
Do you mean it was all low power, but you measured 6 times the power out? Or just 6 times the voltage, but 6 times less the current? So no more power out? Once you find the tiny excess output you can start feedback!
Regards,
Dave.
Quote from: starcruiser on December 29, 2006, 10:05:08 AM
@Giantkiller,
Got that Kitchen project completed yet? I have been there several times before (I rehab/flip houses for a hobby) and understand how intnsive it can be.
I post this for the benefit of all:
The kitchen project is depressingly time consumptive. I want to do TPU and design 24/7. Now here is the 'group address':
No wonder Tesla lived in a hotel! Everything else was taken care of. :D
--giantkiller. 8)
Quote from: starcruiser on December 29, 2006, 09:57:09 AM
I must say this information is a compilation of the results and work of several testers and they deserve credit for their contributions. Dave, Marco, Giantkiller, C0mster, and not the least by any means Otto. I feel we are on the edge of cracking this TPU mystery wide open. Now is the time for all who have been sitting on the sidelines to getting going and wind your coils, between what Otto has posted and the above info I provided you should be able to construct your TPU;s.
Lets all help finish this off and help all the others reach the goal of free power!
And again thanks must go out to those mentioned above and the others who contributed but were not mentioned.
Today, gentlemen, we have attained great heights and will go down into the annals of free energy history! Hip, Hip Hip Hurray! I fell a party coming on...
--giantkiller. I feel the power! A little electric slide will do.
And of course, there is always room for team growth and expansion...
Happy New Year!
-giantkiller.
Quote from: CTG Labs on December 29, 2006, 12:09:30 PM
Quote from: starcruiser on December 29, 2006, 09:57:09 AM
I tried wiring my first TPU (single collector and 18Ga control coils) using the Markovich design as a guide (control coils in series only with the feedback coil reversed) and the output provided was 6 times the input, no real power but it shows promise.
Hi Carl,
Do you mean it was all low power, but you measured 6 times the power out? Or just 6 times the voltage, but 6 times less the current? So no more power out? Once you find the tiny excess output you can start feedback!
Regards,
Dave.
Dave,
To answer your question. It was 6 times the voltage (I stand corrected) but there was more power (albeit a small amount). Please note that the TPU I used was using was a single layer configuration with a large collector in comparison to Otto's (15 turns of lamp cord, double strand). There is some power there like I said, I used a diode to rectify and it dropped the voltage down considerably.
This confirms to me that a few modifications are required in my TPU design, hence my earlier post and reference to Otto's design which validated my assumption of the different control wiring (smaller gauge, 24ga or 30ga). I also think the collector needs to be a single loop (like a loop antenna) which I think provides a voltage differential in the coils similar to the Markovich device.
The remaining questions to be answered as I see it are;
1. whether the winding direction of the outer feedback coil needs to be in opposition to the control coils and whether this will provide any additional gain.
2. does the wiring of the 4 segment control coils take care of #1 if they are wired like the Tesla generator coils.
3. Do we need to look at a 14 or 16ga feedback coil (to increase current, this is looking at a transformer effect that may be ocurring).
4. Are 3 frequencies really required or just one with their harmonics enough?
To elaborate on the experiement...
One of the experiements I performed yesterday used only one frequency of 520Khz (i varied it around a bit and got the output to increase and decrease a bit. Lower frequencies did not provide anything like the 500Khz area. The oscillator was putting out 5Vpp with no ground lead attached (I did try this with it attached and to my surprise it did not affect the output very much)
Then next when I mixed several using my 555 timers (using a 50% duty cycle) I got some intersting results but noted that a lower frequency in the 5Khz area did not really affect the output. The frequency mix was using frequencies above 100Khz. This seems to indicate the pulse width needs to be smaller than 10uSec (50Khz). I may try to add another 555 timer to adjust the pulse width on the lower frequencies and see if this provides any usefull effect.
With the 500Khz frequencies I did note the mostly positive going spikes. I want to construct the modified TPU I mentioned and redo the experiements to see what I get. Looking to get a spool of 30ga magnet wire now to wind a new TPU.
One thing that puzzles me though is Otto's comment regarding the MOSFets, he went to a different version and it improved his output. He commented on the capacitive effect in that particular unit. I am wondering if we add a capacitor of a similar value to the output of a oscillator using a standard output transistor would this provide the same effect?
Like I said more questions and testing to do.
Quote from: otto on December 29, 2006, 07:37:55 AM
Hello all,
the next days I will not post because I have no access to a PC.
I wish you all great people here and your families a
HAPPY NEW YEAR
Otto
Happy New Year to you Otto!
Some notes on above:
Tesla used a capacitor across his coils to improve the output.
MOSFETs have different switching times as well as other factors. I posted sevral documents on MOSFETs in the "PULSERS ONLY" section - speed-up techniques to improve switching times are included as are test circuits to determine switching times, etc.
MOSFETs are a little slow, but can switch a lot of juice.
You can switch several in a sequence, driven by transistors, to get a continuous train of signals.
About the MOSFET's, did Otto say that he was using transistors or MOSFET drivers to charge/discharge his gates?
Maybe it was just the mosfet with the lowest gate capacitance?
Hello all,
@Aether22
I use IRF840 MOSFETs and had 240V kicks. Before this I used IRF 730 MOSFETs and had only 170V kicks measured with a scope connected at my collector coil.
Once I posted the difference between a IRF730 and IRF840 MOSFET. As I remember the IRF840 has a bigger capacitance at switchin ON. Strange!!
I did this morning new tests with my TPU and here are the results:
my problem is the outer, say, feedback coil.
1. connected in reverse or better to say all control coils are pulsed in the same direction and this feedback coil in the other direction. Bad results!
2. connected this feedback coil all 4 segments in series. Bad results.
3. connected this feedback coil like the others, like the Tesla Patent...Gooood results.
This feedback coil is made of 4 segments...I saw the middle of this 4 segments is very important and so I connected a wire to this middle point and touched every other point in the TPU. The result: my best signal is when I connect this middle point wire to the + plus or to say better to this point where the same coil ends!!! Thats the reason I posted last time this is not for public because I think its an idiotic way to connect this feedback coil but who knows??? I dont!
Today I saw also strange thinks: As Im working always with a light bulb connected with my TPU I wanted to see how the signals looks without the bulb. Ok, they are nice but when I connected my bulb again to the TPU I saw the signals rising. A lot rising!!!! I already have signals over 400V but when I connect my bulb (100W) the smallest and all other signals rises dramatically. There is no difference 40W,60W,100W light bulb. Of course I dont see anymore the biggest signals because they are "out of range" but usually small signals growed up.
As you can see I cant without you!!
Otto
Otto,
So the bulb seems to act as part of the feedback loop. Interstesting!
As to the feedback coil, so you are matching the phase, or to say the direction of the coil current with the control coils? Same wiring as the control coils?
A comment on the MOSFET, I took a look at the spec sheets and it does show a larger capacitance on the Cdg 1300pF for the IRF840 vs 400pF for the IRF510. over all it appears to be about 3 times the capacitance (for all of the other inter connection values as well). Perhaps the off state resistance has something to do with this as well or maybe the inherent inductance of the leads?
@Carl,
About the MOSFETs: exactly.
Yes, my feedback coil has the same current direction. I would try to connect a little capacitance to the gate-source or gate-drain connection but hollidays are here, everything closed...my MOSFETs could burn....no dont play with them!!! Look at Grumpys post about MOSFETs!! Its great!!
I think I will buy a lot of various MOSFETs just to see the difference.
Otto
Otto,
Thanks for the response. Have you tried to scope the MOSFET output with out them connected to the TPU? Just curious if they show any self oscillation due to the internal capacitance and inductance.
I'll take a look at Grumpy's post on them.
otto,
Your diagram shows each collector wired to the control of the next ring...is this correct? Have you tried with the control coils separate from the collectors?
IRF840 switches much faster than 730. Look up the datasheets first - don't waste money. Fairchild's QFET looks interesting. SiC type MOSFET would be excellent choice, but have not been able to find them.
Use a sequence circuit of three or more mosfets driven by transistors - will post later today. This will create a train of pulses.
On the 7mhz multivibrator - increase voltage to 3v or even 5v. At 1.5v output is very small - like 1v. Transistors are 2N5449. I pulled that circuit off the web, but now have the book that it came from. This circuit will work at over 10mhz ! Can be used to drive mosfets or transistors, etc.
What is your pulse width at the control coil? Does it have a drop at the end?
Grumpy,
Yes, from collector to control or better from control to collector, my god what a mess you see in my circuit is everything connected to everything, I think.
Dont worry datasheets will be studied!!
My oscillators outpt is conected to transistors and their output directly to the gates of the MOSFETs, without resistors on the gates!!! I dont want heating my home in this way. On the drains of the MOSFETs are no resistors too, everything is connected directly!!! No, dont say my MOSFETs are hot!! NO WAY!! They are a little bit warm. Just a little.
Pulses are all 50-50%.No drop at pulses, nice + kicks (only +) with a lot of s... I mean hash.
@Starcruiser
no I didnt.
Otto
I think now a frequency at say, 500kHz could be enough.
Otto,
Please post sketch of waveform.
Hello dudes,
I been watching the forums with great interest for a while but have not really posted as I had no positive contribution to make.
I have a basic understanding of electronics (A Level Physics) and lots of time alongside a nice workshop and would like to try and build a working tpu.
I understand that this in an open source forum and people are encouraged to join in. However I do find it difficult trying to find useful information from the many mixed up posts.
Is it possible that someone can generate some simplified documentation and then keep it updated?
I believe that a lot more people can be involved if there was good documentation. How about a simple guide for a rudimentary tpu to start off? I for one would be immediately building one.
Anyhow you guys are doing great, keep it up.
Happy New Year to All
Regards,
Dean McGowan
Happy New Year to you!
Hello all,
@Grumpy,
there are only vertical lines with a lot of hash, nothing else.
Again,
HAPPY NEW YEAR
Otto
Hash? Vertical lines?!?!
Make a series noise "clipper" with two diodes (signal or zener) and a shunt resistor to get rid of that crap. U se zeners if noise is high enough to foward bias signal diodes.
NOTE: use only one diode to cut out negative or positive signal entirely.
Also, connect collector to collectors - not collector to control.
PS - Happy New Year - just opened to lid of the candy jar.
SM has DC output, and I think it's important to focus on getting that if your really trying to replicate SM. (measure your collectors for DC!, DMM or analog!)
Now assuming he didn't just rectify the output then he somehow found a way to induce DC which is not in the least possible with EM induction. (nor with parastatic capacitance)
One way this has been achieved is in the tubes which were used by Swiss ML, Ed Gray and Tesla in his tube powered car.
But we know that SM finally used solid state circuitry, and while it might be possible to turn radiant energy into DC with the right degenerate semiconductors we know that's not how he did it.
Most likely he used the same effect that Markovitch and Coler used, and maybe Brittan and Stubberfield assuming they were DC, possibly Perrigo and Swiss ML (look at the coil around the conductive? crystal) too I think.
With Coler it was established at the time that the iron cores of the Stromerzeuger were where the energy was generated, with Markovitch it looks like it must be the mast (unless it's simply a result of the aether flowing through any copper wire, which it may be), and if the mast coil generated a voltage and the mast didn't then it would have shorted, the silver core developed the voltage seen in that device. (the mast coil may or may not have helped)
Now it strikes me that current flowing parallel to a magnetic field is likely to spin and vortex (point a magnet end on to a crt), maybe this is why SM says that the wire should not be braided?
The electrons should be given enough room to move (freely spin/vortex) inside the conductor, not forced to follow a braid.
This would suggest thicker wire actually.
You may also want to place a 90 degree coil in parallel with the collector, in exactly the same way Markovitch's mast is wired with the silver core and winding in parallel.
If you get even milivolts of DC (if using a digital multimeter swap the leads to see if the polarity reading reverses) then you know your on the right track.
BTW I have been studying radio reception with underground and special antennas, also looked at stubberfield and I totally understand how it's working.
So you may want to test your TPU (or two TPU's one transmitter one reciever) because that would be an excellent way to see how energetic/radiant/aetheric you are getting it. (all you need to transfer energy wirelessly is aether/orgone/radiant electricity, more of it the better, a resonant receiver and importantly you need to start the process which won't be difficult if you have any detectable EM)
Actually you may even try putting transmitter coils around a TPU ring, with 3 tuned reciever coils rotated to the right or left 120 degrees (better yet 130) relative to the transmitters, each transmitter outputting a different frequencies that only the one coil has any resonance with, aether is then moved in a circle by the power transfer.
Very interesting stuff, I do recommend looking into: radionics, CHTA, pat GB2075755 at espacenet, Stubberfield's battery and low frequency transmission system and underground radio articles at borderlands.
The crux of all of these and Markovitch and all other FE devices that have antennas and grounds is that resonant transfer of energy creates an aether flow which in normal radio reception is minimal due to the atmosphere by default not being that energetic, but if your antenna is a caduseus coil (see CHTA) for example which it still releases some normal EM then as soon as you tune into it the signal gets much stronger as you have established a flow of aether which carries along with it the signal of the transmitter.
note: an underground antenna can still pickup above ground stations well because the radio waves are impressing themselves onto the ground and those telluric/aetheric (it's all the same stuff given many different names) currents are being impressed, but ground radio can only send to ground radio generally.
Actually the Markovitch device for example only receives the EM to establish the aether flow, it clearly serves no other purpose.
Also borderlands has some great info on all of this.
The aether flow carries fields with it, Boyd Bushman found the magnetic field from his compressed magnet device (that falls somewhat slowly) to go an awfully long way.
Here is a report from Bil Beaty's amsci site: I was building a electromagnet and It was starting to look good. I had put a switch on it to divert the power at my will. Also, i had added a miniature Tesla coil to the design for optimal power. when i hooked it up to a 9 volt battery and i held up the screwdriver which I had wrapped the wire around to magnetize. i was able to take my other hand and metal objects would attract to it as if my hand were a magnet.
The TC is an aetheric pump (That's what Tesla said) and the aether carries the magnetic field with it.
Moray could tune into sounds in distant locations, he simply had a means of tuning into the earth energy at a certain location and with that he received the sound from that location too. (He might have had to use something to receive the sound, not sure)
Another example is that if you have say a 10mhz signal + connecting to the receiver with a powerful aether stream and you also have a 2mhz transmitter near the 10mhz transmitter (or probably just anywhere in the path) then the aether stream created by tuning into the 10mhz signal causes the 2mhz signal to be dragged along. (I have yet to try this, but have reasonable confidence it could work)
Stubberfield transmitted the human voice by using huge coils of wire to impress a low frequency non radio signal on a large area of earth, because earth (as well as air of course) has, again whatever you want to call it, aether, orgone, telluric currents and by building it larger he simply encounted more of it to impress the low frequency EM on.
Tesla however used pancake coils which have been observed to make a beam of aether even unpowered. (the secret to Tesla's system isn't in the transverse vs. longitudinal debate, the greater secret is in creating an ether linkage, which may indeed by more effectively established by longitudinal)
If you look at enough of this stuff it builds coherent pictures you can't miss it.
Quote from: aether22 on January 01, 2007, 09:11:00 AM
SM has DC output, and I think it's important to focus on getting that if your really trying to replicate SM. (measure your collectors for DC!, DMM or analog!)
If you look at enough of this stuff it builds coherent pictures you can't miss it.
Well put and all very close to the mark.
A number of us have 2 or 3 coil MTs and a large # number of us have TPUs. This experiment should be easy to do. I am finishing Otto's config. Then I will throw the MTs in the mix.
Nothing too complicated, just numerous combos to try.
It's a new year, so let's try to get free!
Thanks Giantkiller,
BTW I'll challenge you on something, your main assertion is that the reason you pulse with a fast rise time, short duration and fast fall without any reversal is to resonate a shockwave that makes many frequencies 'sing'.
While I won't argue with you that it will, nor that it may be key to getting some devices to work, IMO if you wanted to 'ring the bell' you'd be best to keep it on for a while as it would dramatically increase the range of frequencies effected, and furthermore reversal wouldn't be such a big deal.
The reason you need the above specs is because as Tesla and others have said you are pumping the aether.
(I have long thought such impulses were moving the aether, but only recently became sure)
If you can suggest an ideal circuit I'd greatly appreciate it, something with a shockingly fast on time and short impulse and naturally zero reversal, otherwise maybe we can brain storm the perfect one? (preferably faster than the average propperly driven MOSFET)
Also, if we are trying to stop electrons from moving maybe we should be using chokes which shouldn't stop the aether in the least.
Also if you switch from the negative side (so it's always positive) you will have fewer conduction electrons, I think Ecklin actually suggested such a thing.
I think I'll try putting this through a big pancake coil which will be inline with another pancake coil which I will tune, then as an addition I'll see if I can get two coils put in or around this beam (shot out of the hole in the pancake coils) to transfer more energy from pri to sec. (50 hz air core transformer).
Quote from: aether22 on January 02, 2007, 12:29:04 AM
Thanks Giantkiller,
Also, if we are trying to stop electrons from moving maybe we should be using chokes which shouldn't stop the aether in the least.
aether22,
I believe this is why the control coils are wired as in the Tesla generator patent. They oppose each other. Now if we want power we do need electrons, so the question is, where do we want the electrons moving? In the collector, the feedback or the control coils? It is possible the radiant energy (or ether) induces the power in the adjacent coil(s). I admit we are still figuring this out with the TPU but we need to get it to work reliably then work out the physics of why.
Just my thoughts, I can be off base here but?
Welcome to the next step
Yo dudes, I got small Gyroscopy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Followed Ottos jumpers, pulse 1 freq 600hz in, put a Neodyn next to the freedback and I got vibes!!!!!!!!!!!! I try it next with 3 freqs.
What is diff is I have 4 feedback segments in series. I misinterpreted the Ottos layout.
EEgad, this is cool! And I truely believe it can be done sloppily. I have garden iron wire collectors, 26# copper magwire controls, & bifilar 16# speaker cable as feedbacks. I need more power.
There are 3 ON steps. Turn on circuit and scope shows no freq, but the magnets align slightly. 8 secs pass the scope line wiggles, then 1 second and freq displays, @ ten seconds the harmonic impacts show up with the hi spikes and the coils sing a glorious tune! You could achieve dissimilar results. But I believe u will see the whole process just ramp up. Turn it off. Then turn it on and watch it ramp up. When the harmonic kicks show up you see the spikes on the screen and u feel the vibes.
The secret is to put a neodyn mag on the inside of the coil. It you move it just a little off the coil to the center the vibes become stronger. I used the Magna buzz product off this sight(Shameless plug. Stefan, Do I get 3 days and 2 nights, all expenses paid as a Walmart greeter just down the street?).
--giantkiller. Follow me.....
GK,
Totally Cool!!!
Let us know what happens with 3 freq's. maybe a higher freq?
Quote from: giantkiller on January 02, 2007, 08:16:24 PM
Welcome to the next step
Yo dudes, I got small Gyroscopy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Followed Ottos jumpers, pulse 1 freq 600hz in, put a Neodyn next to the freedback and I got vibes!!!!!!!!!!!! I try it next with 3 freqs.
What is diff is I have 4 feedback segments in series. I misinterpreted the Ottos layout.
EEgad, this is cool! And I truely believe it can be done sloppily. I have garden iron wire collectors, 26# copper magwire controls, & bifilar 16# speaker cable as feedbacks. I need more power.
There are 3 ON steps. Turn on circuit and scope shows no freq, but the magnets align slightly. 8 secs pass the scope line wiggles, then 1 second and freq displays, @ ten seconds the harmonic impacts show up with the hi spikes and the coils sing a glorious tune! You could achieve dissimilar results. But I believe u will see the whole process just ramp up. Turn it off. Then turn it on and watch it ramp up. When the harmonic kicks show up you see the spikes on the screen and u feel the vibes.
The secret is to put a neodyn mag on the inside of the coil. It you move it just a little off the coil to the center the vibes become stronger. I used the Magna buzz product off this sight(Shameless plug. Stefan, Do I get 3 days and 2 nights, all expenses paid as a Walmart greeter just down the street?).
--giantkiller. Follow me.....
GK,
Quote from: giantkiller on January 02, 2007, 08:16:24 PM
I need more power.
Hold on I call Igore!
Quote
I have garden iron wire collectors,
I partially went that way but in the video of SM where he was cutting the TPU, it did not seem like he was cutting any steel. May be that is when he needed the cutters. Anyway I stopped that thread of research then.
For those in UK, I recommend B&Q garden section for garden Iron wire. Just under ?5 for 100m.
Regards
AM
@Otto! and all the young dudes! I told this was sloppy! I put 3 feqs. and I have audible vibes What freqs? I did not even measure them. No Sh..!
12v in 130 out! Big ass spikes!
Otto, you're genius. Dave get on this dude. Push your 15". you might need power.
Ok, So there 5 new rules to add:
1: Place Noedyns inside 3 layer TPU.
2: If you need to adjust the freqs you must do it very slowly. Remember the ramp up!
3: if you see the hi spike harmonics you know the neomags are dancing and singing. Just like transformer.
4: When you turn on power you must time the space till the harmonics appear. That is the resonance ramp time of your TPU, YOUR TPU. They are all different. When you adjest any freq, the resonance ramp up time is the time you must wait. Screw this up and your in the dark permanently.
5: Put the scope on the top collector input between the resistor and the collector and watch the ramp up. Ok BTW. put your hand on the coil and feel the kick! I mean, this is a real kick. Dave? wear rubber gloves on your 15"
SM, how am I doing?
--giantkiller. Ok boys, chew on these findings a bit. Happy New Year, friends!
;)
IN. RI veritas est,
(Ma-)Rio Pasichinsky,US 4904926
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p.s.: the next step US 5568005, Dan Davidson
Quote from: lancaIV on January 02, 2007, 09:38:05 PM
IN. RI veritas est,
(Ma-)Rio Pasichinsky,US 4904926
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dL
p.s.: the next step US 5568005, Dan Davidson
LancaIV,
???
I understand patent #'s but....
Quote from: giantkiller on January 02, 2007, 08:16:24 PM
Welcome to the next step
Yo dudes, I got small Gyroscopy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Do you really mean you got a slight gyroscopic force when trying to turn it? or did you just get a bit of viabration?
And do you think that your viabration was caused by just magnetic fields?
Also look for the washboard effect, do you notice it even slightly?
If you really have a slight gyroscopic force, that's absolutely excellent!
Please clarify!
Quote from: giantkiller on January 02, 2007, 09:31:03 PM
12v in 130 out! Big ass spikes!
Well, it looks like it may be a happy new year after all. Congratulations. Take a deep breath. Crack open a cold one. :)
I know a light bulb video is no proof, but just for your own curiosity did you try to light a bulb; what happened?
Quote from: aether22 on January 02, 2007, 11:45:54 PM
Quote from: giantkiller on January 02, 2007, 08:16:24 PM
Welcome to the next step
Yo dudes, I got small Gyroscopy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Do you really mean you got a slight gyroscopic force when trying to turn it? or did you just get a bit of viabration?
And do you think that your viabration was caused by just magnetic fields?
Also look for the washboard effect, do you notice it even slightly?
If you really have a slight gyroscopic force, that's absolutely excellent!
Please clarify!
It is slight. But I am putting a bigger pwr supply in. 7805 does'nt cut it. When u put the nmags in you get a larger physical vibration. My last experiment was with just 2 freqs and same result. I am now actually looking for ways this thing doesn't work. I got wires looped all over this TPU#4. I am going to consolidate for portability. I also used 5w 10ohm I am going to get another set in parallel to up the amps. This environment it totaly upward configurable. So I am taking full advantage of it. 3 - 555s. I have a phase controller inside for later use. The force stays on. More amps should show more improvement..
--giantkiller.
Quote from: Spherenot on January 03, 2007, 12:12:01 AM
Quote from: giantkiller on January 02, 2007, 09:31:03 PM
12v in 130 out! Big ass spikes!
Well, it looks like it may be a happy new year after all. Congratulations. Take a deep breath. Crack open a cold one. :)
I know a light bulb video is no proof, but just for your own curiosity did you try to light a bulb; what happened?
Mentioned it previously... I am adding a bigger supply and lowering the ohms by 1/2. Right Now I get .75 amps in some of the jumpers.
This is interesting though, I now get squeals without the nbmags.
Later guys. I gotta crash. I look forward to more insights from you all. This should get faster and faster.
--giantkiller.
Hello all,
Giantkiller
garden IRON WIRE collectors!!!!
use NO IRON!!!!
Otto
Sorry to be an ass about this Giantkiller, I'm just liable to get very excited if you can clearly confirm this.
Are you getting a processional force when you rotate the device?
If so please say 'yes a processional force when I rotate it' so I know for sure it's not just vibration. (which isn't necessarily all that odd)
If so, very very cool, very very freaking cool! and I'll want to replicate what you're doing!
Also is it 'so slight you have doubts it's not just in your imagination' or 'just strong enough to be pretty sure it's really there'?
Quote from: giantkiller on January 02, 2007, 08:16:24 PM
There are 3 ON steps. Turn on circuit and scope shows no freq, but the magnets align slightly. 8 secs pass the scope line wiggles, then 1 second and freq displays, @ ten seconds the harmonic impacts show up with the hi spikes and the coils sing a glorious tune!
Eight seconds of magnet exposure before anything happens. I wonder how many here have had something that would have worked, (or still may work,) but they used no magnet or they used a magnet and only waited seven seconds or less.
I recall the video of SM holding, waiting, and moving a magnet, (or something removed from his pocket which I assume to me a magnet,) in and around his coils. Especially that one larger TPU that was giving him some trouble. Or perhaps he was trying to chase vampires out of his coils with a clove of garlic. :D
@giantkiller:
What happens when you remove the magnet after your "giantkiller-TPU-04a" is up to full speed; does it slow to a stop or does it keep going?
@Otto, I will wind copper, and match my TPU#4 - iron collector specs.
All,
My pwr supply is based on 7805s. Not good enuff. I am going to replace tonight.
Now the meat:
1st: the freqs are a wide range.
@200 - 900hz (low) the ramp up occurs. The spikes per second are fewer and the coil inductance takes time to build up.
@+1khz to 7k (high) the coil squeals immediately. This is probably the mag wire vibrating. But it happens immediately.
Now the Magnets:
In the low range the magnets act like vibration amplifiers due to the already existing strong fields. If I remove the magnets then the vibrations are not as apparent. With the magnets present then the same effects as what are described by SM are there. They are easily felt due to the low occurance per second. I believe this is the set to pursue, for me any way. I believe when I increase the power input I will see a magnification of what I see at this amperage level, naturally greater.
In the high range the magnets can be present or not. They don't cause excitation. TPU#4 just squeals to beat all. Changing frequency in this range causes little effect. Although the more spikes appear the greater level of diode bridging can occur. The power out steps are a natural occurance in this procession.
Now that I am worn out from my own parade I can settle down to the next arena.
I will wind a copper collector TPU#6 as an exact copy of TPU#4 and this will put down any issues about the difference tween CU and FE.
I will test both with higher current.
All I can say is 'Try all the freq ranges'. There are probably different effects all over for all the differences in the TPUs. I saw them.
And my mistake was I only used 1 freq on the top and middle TPU layers and nothing put in to the bottom. I saw the same thing as 2 freqs on top and bottom and 3 freqs for 3 layers. That is why I have always said this thing is sloppy and I will continue to go down that path. I continually run across this aspect.
I think SM placed a magnet on the device to actually demostrate effects.
My effects don't diminish when I turn the device upside down.
Now on the lower freqs:
I felt the vibration quite strongly. At higher current, one could see where the vibrations will be a significant physical feedback mechanism. At that height I could see that there would seem to be a gyroscopic effect. I will plan to differenciate between gyroscopy and magnetic inertia.
Thank you all for this forum. I'll say up front that I appreciate the responses. I didn't get beat up yet. But it could happen. This forum has a history. So now that I have made significant progress and killed off my evil twin I progress as a free man into the future. LOL.
Let's have some fun, shall we? And if these steps don't prove what we are looking for then we have found another step as to how not to make a TPU!
The easiest steps are the small ones.
--giantkiller. Hence the name...
Giantkiller,
"I just want to wish you good luck, we're all counting on you" Leslie Nielsen, Airplane (paraphrase)
I know you just doing a sloppy job, but there may be something key you are doing, so maybe after you make your planned improvements you can give us all enough to faithfully replicate it. (I know you say it's not critical, but no one else has yet got your results, maybe it's the iron wire after all, are you the 1st to try iron wire?)
Also the fact that it takes so long to start up is another sign, em is instant, 8 seconds is an eternity.
GK,
Do you get any effect with Otto's wiring config without power applied?
The collectors stayed magnetized opposite of Earth's field. I am going to go through this all again.
--giantkiller.
Quote from: aether22 on January 03, 2007, 02:28:35 PM
Giantkiller,
"I just want to wish you good luck, we're all counting on you" Leslie Nielsen, Airplane (paraphrase)
I know you just doing a sloppy job, but there may be something key you are doing, so maybe after you make your planned improvements you can give us all enough to faithfully replicate it. (I know you say it's not critical, but no one else has yet got your results, maybe it's the iron wire after all, are you the 1st to try iron wire?)
Also the fact that it takes so long to start up is another sign, em is instant, 8 seconds is an eternity.
I am very happy with my results and I know it deems reproducibility so let's go this route...
SM said
ramp up timeSM said
bailing wireSM said
insert magnet hereSM also said "There are no batteries in the unit that could produce that knid of power". No shit! But you can power an inverter. god I can hear it now?!?!
I did just that!
There are those that have 3 layer TPUs and of those that have clock/drivers.
Of the TPU owners, they have terminated the coil ends to terminal blocks for jumper/patch configurability. Dave and Joehan have the best I've seen yet.
A number of members posted scope shots.
And finally: Otto posted wiring configuration pics.
I mention this for those that have configurable TPUs. I know that they will post gleefully when they hear and see. That is what makes the Dream reality. I guess I started my new year off with an exemplary start. I would like others to experience the same truth.
Am I missing anything here?
Now if all those facts are true, anyone of those members can walk over to their setups, jumper the TPU to match Otto's pix and turn on a switch to see results.
Sloppy means totally open environment. I guess I get the last laugh here.
I jumpered my TPU to match Otto's wire configuration, I attached that to my controller, (which by mistake was really goofy, posted previously), dropped the NBmags inside, & with no respect to the previous controller freq settings I...
T U R N E D I T O N ! ! ! !
The screen showed spikes, the coil vibed. Can you say
"DONE"? What?
Instructions are as follows:
Collector coils: 4" diam. 22 turns gardenwire.
Controller coils: 4 segments 30# 200 turn each.
Feedback coils: 4 segments 16# stranded (1 run of lamp cord) 14 turns each. All in series.
Configuration: Follow Ottos. pix.
Attach to clocks...
I believe this is termed
Spelling it out.
I would like to hear back from anybody that followed these instructions. It will be inevitable.
If you can't follow these instructions then welcome to the rest of planet Earth.
--giantkiller. J U S T D O I T! If you have a TPU...
p.s. OBTW... Don't tell me
'No' and don't say 'It can't be done'.
27 days left.
I am on a mission.
:D
Quote from: Spherenot on January 03, 2007, 08:28:38 AM
Quote from: giantkiller on January 02, 2007, 08:16:24 PM
There are 3 ON steps. Turn on circuit and scope shows no freq, but the magnets align slightly. 8 secs pass the scope line wiggles, then 1 second and freq displays, @ ten seconds the harmonic impacts show up with the hi spikes and the coils sing a glorious tune!
Eight seconds of magnet exposure before anything happens. I wonder how many here have had something that would have worked, (or still may work,) but they used no magnet or they used a magnet and only waited seven seconds or less.
I recall the video of SM holding, waiting, and moving a magnet, (or something removed from his pocket which I assume to me a magnet,) in and around his coils. Especially that one larger TPU that was giving him some trouble. Or perhaps he was trying to chase vampires out of his coils with a clove of garlic. :D
@giantkiller:
What happens when you remove the magnet after your "giantkiller-TPU-04a" is up to full speed; does it slow to a stop or does it keep going?
Yeah. When I first realized the latency, I had an
Oh sh...! moment. How many times had most been here and turned a control right past a prospective mark. I got this repeatedly at the 400-700hz range. I am going back in tonight to do a double take and post same or very much better.
Oh well, press on.
@Otto, is Iron dangerous? I hope so...
Papers read: Man dies of personal EMP blast. No more to come. LOL.
Quote from: Spherenot on January 03, 2007, 12:12:01 AM
Quote from: giantkiller on January 02, 2007, 09:31:03 PM
12v in 130 out! Big ass spikes!
Well, it looks like it may be a happy new year after all. Congratulations. Take a deep breath. Crack open a cold one. :)
I know a light bulb video is no proof, but just for your own curiosity did you try to light a bulb; what happened?
Thanks for that. I will hook up something tonight. I did see my 130V @0.75 amp spikes with a grounded scope. So we will see.
There is definately a 1:1 match with the input freq and the spikes on the leading edge. But you can make them disappear with frequency changes.
Phase one was definately a 'Depends parade'. Now that a day has gone by and I've gotten feedback I can take a better approach. It comes under the
'You never know what you got until you can clarify it'. Kind of a different love song.
Phase two will be a better approach.
Could somebody else please hook up and power. It is lonely up here.
--giantkiller. Hence the name? These shoes might be too big.
Awsome .. you have finally craked it .. you have a working tpu ?
So you have finally decided to turn it on . Like I stated back on page 28.
Thats good to hear .Now break out the old tuning fork.
@giantkiller,
I sent a message to otto the other day that, since I still have no scope, I consider myself a 'phase-two' builder. 'Phase-one' builders, like yourself, can tweak and test variations for improved designs. All I can do for now is 'build-to-print.'
I probably speak for everyone here without access to fancy equipment that wishes to build. We have been scolded and told to go away. No.
Thank you for your build instructions. They may help us phase-two builders. They will certainly help the phase-one builders that can test their replications and cover any gaps in detail that could not be found here.
If turbo gets his own topic for his happy-magic-fun-time then surely you know that you have more than earned your own topic. (And stop calling me Shirley. :D) Perhaps, "Giantkiller Unsheathes his Sword!" Or, "Giantkiller Powers his TPU for Battle!"
Perhaps you could assemble all of the necessary replication details of TPU#4 in your new topic?
I would not mind looking for each detail myself were it not for the facts that I might grab the wrong thing, I might miss something, and finally "User 'hartiberlin1' has exceeded the 'max_questions'?" started happening again the minute that you hit pay dirt--what a grand annoyance!
Oh, and I just want you to know that we're all counting on you. (Please do not let the boogieman chase you and all of your contributions away. :()
Quote from: dean_mcgowan on January 03, 2007, 06:17:51 PM
Awsome .. you have finally craked it .. you have a working tpu ?
Well with the upgrade tonight I plan to test again and further. No power out yet, but this is another step towards completion for all us. I didn't go this alone but stand on the shoulders of those greater than me.
The similarities akin with SMs 4 & 6 are too close to be disavowed. In the videos what looked like completed TPUs he stated things that seemed just too plain english than sidestepping or disacknowledged.
I'll tell you what though: If I find anything greater tonight than last night I am going to explode before the TPU does!
And to the phase 2 builders: get a scope. There is nothing like peering deep into the universe compared to just watching the stars go by. Blow your own mind...
Houston: We have lift off. Tnx. It is going to be an amazing year.
And I'd like to thank the academy and my mom...
--giantkiller. But I refuse to go this alone. Ya'll step up, it ain't that hard.
Quote from: IronHead on December 09, 2006, 07:18:16 PM
Permanent magnet
The ring just wants to be turned on .
Sometimes we have to wear the stones we throw.
--giantkiller. Thanks, whoever you are...
Quote from: giantkiller on January 03, 2007, 06:55:36 PM
I am going to explode before the TPU does!
Now might be a good time to install a
fuse or a
kill switch,... on your TPU!
hey,
GO GK GO!!!!!
lol
sam
ps: HAPPY NEW YEAR!!!!!
Yo mighty dudes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11
I got the power supply and drop the ohmage by half!!!!!!!!!
freq 800hz
Guess what I got??????????????????????????????????????????
I got heattttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttt!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
yeowwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww!
I am in ectasy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I will try to power something.
Wait. I been running for 60 mins. And guess what? The coil gets hot but not surrounding jumpers! Figure that out? yes the nags get hot, thermal transmission. They are not nesseccary here but!!! I'll bet you that if you want to draw power out, you need them.
Where the hell do I hook up for power on Ottos wiring diag? I got so happy, I got stupid. Think of this as your inclusion.
Help, guys?
I am all over this and Lets kick some ass!
--giantkiller.
GK,
DUDE! That is SICK!!! I'm itching to build one of these.,... where do I look for the wiring diagrams???? I'll have to wind a new TPU though because the one I have at the moment only has three control coils on the collectors, and it also doesn't yet have the outer feedback coil... No biggie though ;D.
God Bless,
Jason O
P.S. Talk about sloppy, check this out :D
This is truely amazing. Thanks to all.
2hrs at 1 amp. Now that is connected to a pwr supply, but its off the secondary.
And hotter!
@ jdo300, desiderata. I am done with issue. I replied to help, thats all. Do not respond.
http://hobbes.ncsa.uiuc.edu/desiderata.html (http://hobbes.ncsa.uiuc.edu/desiderata.html)
Here are the schems. Couldn't find them except what I stored off. And this is what I did.
@ 500hz coil was warm. @+1khz coil gets hot.
--giantkiller.
GK, in your opinion is an old fashioned scope without storage of any use?
Or to put it another way, do the waveforms repeat? (if they are constantly changing, my scope is of no use)
I guess that the steel wire may be the reason your getting results.
He did use wire cutters on the one he cut and he did say bailing wire.
There's a problem with too much heat (what is it? It's a form of energy but that's not important right now) but at least it not easily conducting away matches what SM reports. (But if you can feel the heat obviously it can be conducted away, so it is solvable with say hollow wires with coolant flowing through)
Damn Good job, pat on the back, round of beers. (have mine too, I have a drinking problem - splash)
Ok Ok, no more Airplane jokes.
Hello all,
@GK
great job. Im waiting. All the minuses are connected TOGETHER. The minus from the power supply, from the oscillators, from the source(emiter) of all MOSFETs, one end from the light bulb. The other end of the light bulb is connected to the point where the 3 collectors and the feedback coils meet.
Otto
Gk,
Good job!
Just one question, are all your control coils connected in series and basically forming together one coil. Or are they connected as shown in the second pic from otto?
Regards Dutchy
Day 3 progress:
I went down to around 200hz. The tuning fork example of 'C' puts it at 261.6hz.
My 3 555 are @ 2.2Uf, 2.2Uf, & 4.7Uf. Yes they don't match!!!!!! Thank God. U see I have no kill switch and my single turn 500k pots are sloppy. So freqs don't match up real real close. But I'll tell you what!!! at around 200hz when you tweak and the freqs get on, the coil gets real hot, real fast! Like in 2 seconds! So there is another SM step accomplished. I am telling to the put buzzmags on the coil! This is an audible feedback device that is neccessary! Notice the high number of exclamation marks in this post?
When u put your hand on the coil as you tweak, you can sense a buzzing, a tingling, and sparking to and with your hand.
I don't believe i got any rem sleep. Up a 5:00 am. Not normal.
Equipment:
I can honestly use the term duct tape and bailing wire.
My scope is a Heathkit 20mhz I built. My 20mhz freq counter is a Radio Shack kit I built. I use two digital multimeters. 3 - 555s. It is all old crap but look at the pieces of glass Galileo use to see the universe.
Advice for equipment:
Get a dual trace storage scope or non storage. Best money spent. Everything you can build from scratch. Not a scope.
Other progress:
I followed Tao's drawing. Tnx Tao.
Schematic has been posted above. Tnx Otto.
I moved magnets. tnx Marco.
with the higher freq +1k the coil screams. That is the screaming ferrite bead experiment by CTGlabs. Tnx.
I generated heat. Tnx SM. This step is just a tweak shy from overunity.
I listened to Steve Mark. Thank you very much. I will be careful in all that I do.
What does day 4 bring? You tell me. I am one day away from becoming an entrant on the 'Dead scientists' list. Seriously, I got watch dogs and a machine gun in the bed.
In one of the SM videos at the big table on the marble floor. Just before he goes outside you can hear large dogs barking. And they are very close. What does that tell you?
Mallove and Brown are no longer here. What does that tell you. Paranoid? You step up to the challenge and put your ass in front of the parade and tell us what you feel.
As a previous post pointed out, 'Why does this site fail everytime big progress is made?'.
You tell me. And be careful in these endeavors...
--giantkiller. Hence the name.
Good work Giant.
When you increase your PSU rating and drop your resistor values, make sure you have your 'kill switch' at hand. You will be resonating and your collector coil will want to take anything your PSU can deliver, so things will get very hot indeed!
Be careful how you measure your output closed loop current, it may not be what it appears!
GK,
I was noticing the same about this site. Was also thinking the same. Hummmm.
BTW, tried the wiring with the other TPU no real results since the TPU has 6 control coils per layer and it uses 18AWG. I finished the new collector/control coils last night. I will be assembling them tonight so I should have it up and running tonight (if not tomorrow night after work). I still need some MOSFETS though. I wil probably get the IRF840's (NTE2238), I do have some high power NPN's for TV deflectors yoke coils, I may try them if I cannot get my hands on those FETs.
Will be posting more soon!
So, this morning I turn on my Doomsday device / TPU and things are falling out of the sky?
I guess SM was right. Go figure.
http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/local/article/0,1299,DRMN_15_5200052,00.html (http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/local/article/0,1299,DRMN_15_5200052,00.html)
I take it that this is just a step above MIB attraction. I will fire this up again tonight and call 'em back.
--giantkiller. More to come...
GK,
As none of us really knows the principals of TPU operation, may be your DDD works different to what you think:
http://www.owlnet.rice.edu/~geol108/mceuen/lightning/
Regards
AM
P.S. I will watch "London tonight" for any abnormal news reports.
Quote from: starcruiser on January 04, 2007, 10:10:13 AM
GK,
I was noticing the same about this site. Was also thinking the same. Hummmm.
BTW, tried the wiring with the other TPU no real results since the TPU has 6 control coils per layer and it uses 18AWG. I finished the new collector/control coils last night. I will be assembling them tonight so I should have it up and running tonight (if not tomorrow night after work). I still need some MOSFETS though. I wil probably get the IRF840's (NTE2238), I do have some high power NPN's for TV deflectors yoke coils, I may try them if I cannot get my hands on those FETs.
Will be posting more soon!
My TPU#3 has 20 gauge controllers. It proved the harmonics effect but that is all. But definately good. The fatter the copper the more current you need. But the idea behind the magnet wire controllers is that there are many more fields of flux for excitation & interference. TPU#4 proved that with the help of C0msters and Marco's previous magnet coil experiements. It seems that it is not bigger fields but more fields. And yes, the 90 coupling is prevalent. But don't let any old notions destroy your focus or attempts. Reality is made from dreams to ideas.
Amazda,This morning I also saw kicks. These babies jump from the coil to my hand and I fell a slight tingling. C0mster showed me that on his pancake coils before. I saw nothing on the scope to show this.
Day 4 showed more progress.
@all,
Can anybody guess what is next? This is a really dangerous question. The reason why we need clocks with no drift is the precision is used the keep the freqs misaligned. That is right. Not on the freak wave, but off of it. This prevents runaway. Even though I had only a few random kicks, the heat factor shot up really fast. So there is something on both sides of the freq converging wave that affect the copper/iron.
And let me state again: Even though the coil got hot the surrounding circuitry, jumpers, leads, power supply were not even close to the same temp. Just room temperature. So that tells me that the coil sits in some area of power. And this, I believe, is the aether vortex that Marco had posted before. The coil is either doing some work or is in the way of something.
The speed at which I have gotten these results is not dependant on my knowledge. I can get to the results faster because I have a working vehicle. As others complete the correct winding they too will experience faster and faster results. It's been every day for me. No sweat. Turn it on, turn a pot, see things. These things really are sloppy. When you go past the right freq and with your hand on the coil, you feel the click which is the kick. But now I can't just turn it on and turn away. Oh, no,no,no. I have to have my hand on it. I will get a thermal switch next and post how I hook it in.
So basically, I have a plateless step up transformer. But it does 1 thing more...
--giantkiller. ;)
Let me keep this post seperate.
Do you all feel there is adequate documentation here to reproduce your own devices and tests?
Like schematics, configurations, tuning/control, and instructional steps?
The TPU is a Doomsday device. I've seen it and now I know Steven's concern and the shits in my life.
--giantkiller. This is pure insanity. Be very careful what you wish for. ???
It may be similar to a TV flyback on steriods.
I have no doubt.
What the hell have I gotten myself into?
What are the chances of turning on a TPU in Denver at 6:00 am Denver time and something falls outta the sky at 6:15am in Denver? I should be playing the lottery. Now if it hit my house!?!
I will try some more experiments. I think I'll crash a flock of birds into the Denver mint or flip all the manhole covers in town. LOL.
This is a more than historic day for me. It is marked by falling star. How's that for bizzarre?
So in my best Rod Serling / Twilight Zone place I pose a question? If you were to gain the results I have or better yet, surpass them, what would you think, how would you feel, what would you do in your imminent future? I hadn't thought pass this point and am now in a quandry.
Forget the TPU specs, SM, I need your advice on this issue. Do I run away? ???
--giantkiller.
THis is why I sent my last PM to you. Time to document and get it out to the appropriate sites so it is not surpressed.
I understand it may be dangerous, but all technology is , in one way or another. A car is dangerous if not handled appropriately. TIme to understand the principal behind the operation and note the danger points, like in my Flyback comment. You don't grab the anode because you gonna get set back on your ass.
Quote from: giantkiller on January 04, 2007, 01:02:53 PM
Let me keep this post seperate.
Do you all feel there is adequate documentation here to reproduce your own devices and tests?
Like schematics, configurations, tuning/control, and instructional steps?
The TPU is a Doomsday device. I've seen it and now I know Steven's concern and the shits in my life.
--giantkiller. This is pure insanity. Be very careful what you wish for. ???
Hello GiantKiller:
Congratulations on your success!!!
In response to your question, it is my opinion that there is a lack of documentation to reproduce and test the SM's TPU. We have been sprinkled with bits of information here and there. A lot of trial and error has been performed, because SM wants us to understand how it works and maybe from that deduce why it works. Even for SM, the TPU still has the thermal issues which I believe may be solved using room temperature superconductivity technology.
About the doomsday concern, I wouldn't worry too much about it. But if I were you, I would about my personal safety. It seems you have that handled somewhat. The truth is if a powerful organization would want you dead, ask for God's help and prepare yourself for war or face the inevitable. There is more to gain than lose if you share your achievements publicly, just make it safely, by doing it anonymously. Just don't use your real name and location. If you must, become nomad. But humanity is in desperate need for this technology. I dare to say, or world is at stake.
Peace,
Omar
This is a double edge sword. The pages since 55 here have everything neccessary and keep me from being a single point contact. Only I have shown the results with the specs. If no one else reproduces this then by default I look like the only one. People are funny. They would think I was the only one, when in fact, I am the only one who spoke out. I can start to see both edges of the blade. Now imagine my view from where I am at. I have no competition. I stand at the brink of change for humanity with a great truth on my being. This information has been transfered to other sights by other members not willing to show themselves. It is called 'playing a better game'. So I am only the front guy on this gig. I set this up before and I have no control of who it is or where the stuff went. It waits in the distribution que if anything adverse should happen to this flow of information. I am covered and the project is safe.
I will keep working on this till it is done. And then we will have a great and mighty laugh at the circumstances that surrounds us all.
It was time for this.
@SM. Tnx
--giantkiller. For such a time as this... Thank you, Lord.
They are doing a freaking DDOS on this site I'm sure.
GK, here are some important questions.
How long are your collector coils? (SM tuned them by cutting, you may have got lucky)
Do you have a wooden core? (I think not?)
If there is anything else you can think of that you might not have relayed.
Yes this stuff is dangerous, it has no limits and IMO needs to be heavily studied so that the technology released is safe and can't be too readily misused.
But Free Energy, Antigravity and FTL propulsion are all possible with this technology.
IMO we should take this to a protected place so we know all who are working on it.
The best protection from 'them' is a dead man switch, where if there is anything funny all info is released immediately, and being as public as possible, these are however kinda diametrically opposed.
Actually the absolute best protection is to share with a group everything you have so you aren't unique, they can't whack us all! ;)
BTW if the aether vortex is heating it and stopping the heat from readily conducting away, and assuming we can't make it cool (which we very may well be able to) then we could have 2 TPU's, coolant would flow through the cores of the iron wire and in the event that doesn't do it that's why you have 2, you have each one off for 30 seconds every so often to cool it as the heating effect obviously doesn't last once the aether vortex has stopped.
Also if possible can you please write out a shopping list for me? (3 x 555's, 3 MOSFET's....., how thick is your bailing wire?)
GK - Pull yourself together and stop freakin' out!
Let's come down to earth. If no one is able to replicate GK's work then what do we have? Let's see results from other people. I rewired my TPU according to what I think GK has and it seems I now have an inefficient step-up transformer with large spikes and no power. I need to see results from other people before I go back and rework it again. It's not really clear to me how GK's coils are connected; there's so much conflicting information.
Quote from: Grumpy on January 04, 2007, 04:33:57 PM
GK - Pull yourself together and stop freakin' out!
Point taken. I do know this. Tonight I will see more results just as easily as before. Today will mark the 1st day of 2 sets of results, morning and evening. It is just inevitable that when big things change quickly in a positive manner, elation takes hold with suspicion. Things are cool. I am trying to take the next step safely. But man, this happened damn fast!
Everyone has everything they need since page 55. Garden wire is standard size and there are 6" leads coming out of the collectors. My 555s are @ 5v the tip41a-s are @ 12v. Bias ohms are 100.
All the content is off site already and I don't know who or where. I also have an HTML copy. Anybody can get their own too. But remember, it does not copy the quotes or the graphics.
I need to implement very stable clocks instead of the 555s. And that is after the foot switch and the thermal shutoff is installed. Thats right. I expect more phenominal results. Anybody want to jump on the clock design? I could use the help and they could use the inclusion.
I know that by using the different 555 cap values, it saved my butt by keeping the 3rd freq off. I approach this next result set with caution and intrepidation.
Again:
coil diam is 6"
3 layers of:
collector coil is garden wire, 22 turns.
control coils are 4 segments of 30 gauge magnet wire, 200 turns on each collector.
the feedback coil is 16 gauge speaker wire (single run) wrapped around all layers in 4 segments of 17 turns.
Then interconnect the whole system by Ottos diagram.
I power the 555s @ 5v and the tip41a-s @ 12v.
Freq range is 200hz for all 3 555s.
My new power supply is 12v @ 8.25a
First law of uncontrolled TPU power up is: It gets hot real fast when you hear the clicking.
You been warned!
If you are doing this then tell me on the side if you don't want to go public here.
--giantkiller. All posted again for the utmost enjoyment of others.
Congrats GK
I agree the best way is to share the info and replicate the heck out of it so there is no "single point"... I am rereading it all and will get wound within a day or two...some points are a little tough but most of the info is there. Thanks
BTW I found a nice 555 at Centerpointe Elect. FG-500K $38 will go 1-100 khz
Ay more details would be great !!!!!
GK,
I am working on the clock circuit using a VCO, PLL and dividers. Waiting on parts right now. I will send you a PM when I have it completed.
You should try a regular old 9vdc battery dude, portable design. you can also use 8v and 12v regulators to isolate the clocks from the supply rails and reduce noise, also use a 47uf capacitor or 2 for filtering as well.
Hello GiantKiller:
I think I can speak for most of us following this thread, as soon as a full set of simple plans and instructions is available, many of us will start replicating the TPU. So GiantKiller, you have nothing to worry about. We will follow your footsteps and build our own TPUs.
They can't kill all of us. And if more than one person can replicate this, the first one to replicate it isn't necesarily the biggest threat. I am in this 100% till the end. No amount of threat can stop me. I guess I am a FE rebel!
Peace,
Omar
Quote from: boxofsparks on January 04, 2007, 05:25:08 PM
Congrats GK
I agree the best way is to share the info and replicate the heck out of it so there is no "single point"... I am rereading it all and will get wound within a day or two...some points are a little tough but most of the info is there. Thanks
BTW I found a nice 555 at Centerpointe Elect. FG-500K $38 will go 1-100 khz
Ay more details would be great !!!!!
the 555 here is a timer chip, right? the lousy ones can be to 1.5 mhz. and not $38bucks? u mean $0.38? But they drift bad and that is good starting out. Or get a real good stable clock and add the thermal shutoff attached to the coil and a foot operated dead man switch.
Remember: drift is you power up friend.
--giantkiller.
Quote from: starcruiser on January 04, 2007, 05:35:22 PM
GK,
I am working on the clock circuit using a VCO, PLL and dividers. Waiting on parts right now. I will send you a PM when I have it completed.
You should try a regular old 9vdc battery dude, portable design. you can also use 8v and 12v regulators to isolate the clocks from the supply rails and reduce noise, also use a 47uf capacitor or 2 for filtering as well.
I have a Motorola 3 phase motor driver kit. I don't know how stable it is. I will look at that tonight also.
--giantkiller.
Quote from: orosado on January 04, 2007, 05:51:47 PM
Hello GiantKiller:
I think I can speak for most of us following this thread, as soon as a full set of simple plans and instructions is available, many of us will start replicating the TPU. So GiantKiller, you have nothing to worry about. We will follow your footsteps and build our own TPUs.
They can't kill all of us. And if more than one person can replicate this, the first one to replicate it isn't necesarily the biggest threat. I am in this 100% till the end. No amount of threat can stop me. I guess I am a FE rebel!
Peace,
Omar
Thanks for the support. You have no idea what jumped on my soul this morning when TPU#4 shot up in temperature. Absolutely phenominal feelings of being on top of the world!
You ask all the questions you want about this build. I know I might not have it all down but if you had a TPU fired up and these results I experienced just jumped in your face you'd be runnin' loose too. After being in electronics for 30 years, when things get this hot this fast something has got to blow and it didn't.
I am in the next phase of clock control and tuning. This is the real dangerous part. It could also show the limitations of this TPU#4 winding specifications & configurations.
I am not sure how much I want to go with this version. I stated way back in October that I wanted a 4x4 array of SM17s. CTGlabs has a 15 inch and I am waiting to hear how that one powers up.
I now need to switch over to build some kind of shielding environment. I don't think sticking my hand in a microwave or sitting next to a homebrew MRI is good safety.
--giantkiller. Ask away to build away.
p.s. Thank you all for the submissions over the last months. This is a very great thing we do here!
Quote from: giantkiller on January 04, 2007, 01:02:53 PM
Do you all feel there is adequate documentation here to reproduce your own devices and tests?
I will let you know. I am still trying to hunt down and copy all of your sh!t before you freak out and delete it. I do not know if I would not take the same action if I were in your shoes. I am still way out in the pasture on the other side of the fence that you crossed-over a few days ago.
I am taking a shotgun approach to saving your information; I can glean out the important bits later. I have the text from pages 49 thru 57 and I am still going back over all of these pages to collect attachments. I was in such a groove going down one of your posts that I accidentally copied the picture of your kitchen.
Being on the other side of the fence for a few days has probably dulled your feeling, not your memory, of what it is like over here. I assume this is why you are asking the question.
I suggested in a previous post that you have earned your own topic.
You may have had this idea before you crossed over, but if I was able to make such progress I would, from my current perspective, make simple step by step replication procedure in one document and post it EVERYWHERE. It is not so bad; it is actually kind of fun.
I had to make step-by-steps when I started as an automotive wire-harness engineer. Sometimes changes needed to be incorporated after parts were produced. At first I used the harness print and my imagination to write them. The rework folks were confused.
Later, I always did the procedure myself as I was writing it. I could see the value in that when I had to add extra steps for working around details which do not stand out on the print as they do in real life.
For example: the harnesses are bundled, looped and paper-taped, for shipping. There is a bundle view somewhere on the print but usually not in the area on which you are working. Very easy to fu(k-up step one,? I said step one for god's sakes!
1. Remove two paper bundle tapes.
Not to mention the last step:
12. Replace both paper bundle tapes.
Yeah, I know, how stupid can people be. We are. :-[
Perhaps as you go through making TPU#5 you might notice a few bundle-tape-like issues of your own. Pease jot them down for us pasture grazers over here.
The more of us that cross-over with you, the more you will not be alone. ;D
You know how I feel about buying a scope right now. If you say that you will put together step-by-steps for TPU#5 then I promise you that I will fork over the plastic for a scope to test my replication. I may even buy one sooner if I can piecemeal enough scraps together from the many pages.
I hope I answered your question. Eh, too much typing, not enough copying.
Quote from: giantkiller on January 04, 2007, 05:53:51 PM
Quote from: boxofsparks on January 04, 2007, 05:25:08 PM
Congrats GK
I agree the best way is to share the info and replicate the heck out of it so there is no "single point"... I am rereading it all and will get wound within a day or two...some points are a little tough but most of the info is there. Thanks
BTW I found a nice 555 at Centerpointe Elect. FG-500K $38 will go 1-100 khz
Ay more details would be great !!!!!
the 555 here is a timer chip, right? the lousy ones can be to 1.5 mhz. and not $38bucks? u mean $0.38? But they drift bad and that is good starting out. Or get a real good stable clock and add the thermal shutoff attached to the coil and a foot operated dead man switch.
Remember: drift is you power up friend.
--giantkiller.
Hi GK and All,
I think 'boxofsparks' means the type of a function gen which costs $38 but call it a 555.
You probably have heard of the CMOS version of the 555 timer IC, that is LMC555 or TLC555 (but not including here the MC1555) and they work up to 3MHz in astable mode from 5V supply voltage. See data sheet: http://www.national.com/pf/LM/LMC555.html
And I found a very 'handsome' Design Idea at electronic design magazin site: a new stable RC pulse generator circuit with the 555 chip, see a printer friendly link here:
http://www.elecdesign.com/Articles/Print.cfm?ArticleID=6235
So I think three of this pulse generator could serve as a stable frequency source for driving directly the power MOSFETs. Independent duty cycle and frequency adjustment!
My question for you on your TPU is: how much the drain currents are when you switch on the MOSFETs?
regards
Gyula
I understand your concern. I would not delete anything. It is already published and backed up.
Sure is fun to rock the planet though, eh?
--giantkiller. 8)
Quote from: gyulasun on January 04, 2007, 06:37:09 PM
Quote from: giantkiller on January 04, 2007, 05:53:51 PM
Quote from: boxofsparks on January 04, 2007, 05:25:08 PM
Congrats GK
I agree the best way is to share the info and replicate the heck out of it so there is no "single point"... I am rereading it all and will get wound within a day or two...some points are a little tough but most of the info is there. Thanks
BTW I found a nice 555 at Centerpointe Elect. FG-500K $38 will go 1-100 khz
Ay more details would be great !!!!!
the 555 here is a timer chip, right? the lousy ones can be to 1.5 mhz. and not $38bucks? u mean $0.38? But they drift bad and that is good starting out. Or get a real good stable clock and add the thermal shutoff attached to the coil and a foot operated dead man switch.
Remember: drift is you power up friend.
--giantkiller.
Hi GK and All,
I think 'boxofsparks' means the type of a function gen which costs $38 but call it a 555.
You probably have heard of the CMOS version of the 555 timer IC, that is LMC555 or TLC555 (but not including here the MC1555) and they work up to 3MHz in astable mode from 5V supply voltage. See data sheet: http://www.national.com/pf/LM/LMC555.html
And I found a very 'handsome' Design Idea at electronic design magazin site: a new stable RC pulse generator circuit with the 555 chip, see a printer friendly link here:
http://www.elecdesign.com/Articles/Print.cfm?ArticleID=6235
So I think three of this pulse generator could serve as a stable frequency source for driving directly the power MOSFETs. Independent duty cycle and frequency adjustment!
My question for you on your TPU is: how much the drain currents are when you switch on the MOSFETs?
regards
Gyula
Quote from: boxofsparks on January 04, 2007, 06:16:19 PM
Hi GK
Sorry I miswrote on the 555...Its a complete signal generator 1hz t- 100khz stable. Heres the link.
http://www.cpcares.com/ElencoElectronicsInc/EFG500K.html
Good work on your end thanks for info.
Jon
hi,
I use bipolars - tip41a
I have run with 1,2,3 freqs. Greater then 2 and they have to be synced together! I saw the 3 clocks I was running with drift and when they randomly crossed I got kicks. This has to be controled because that is where the heat came from. SM explicitly warned against this! So please keep that in mind.
The runaway effect is very high speed. That is what rocked my world today. Yes it is a cool result. But i got real lucky. Nothing can stop anybody from trying anything. But be aware. I also got warned about the radiation effect today. I am sitting right next to it testing. Some days we are dummer, no?
So now you have a very real part of the experiment with SMs warning right out of the videos and prior posts.
Quote from: giantkiller on January 04, 2007, 05:22:01 PM
Quote from: Grumpy on January 04, 2007, 04:33:57 PM
GK - Pull yourself together and stop freakin' out!
Point taken. I do know this. Tonight I will see more results just as easily as before. Today will mark the 1st day of 2 sets of results, morning and evening. It is just inevitable that when big things change quickly in a positive manner, elation takes hold with suspicion. Things are cool. I am trying to take the next step safely. But man, this happened damn fast!
Everyone has everything they need since page 55. Garden wire is standard size and there are 6" leads coming out of the collectors. My 555s are @ 5v the tip41a-s are @ 12v. Bias ohms are 100.
All the content is off site already and I don't know who or where. I also have an HTML copy. Anybody can get their own too. But remember, it does not copy the quotes or the graphics.
I need to implement very stable clocks instead of the 555s. And that is after the foot switch and the thermal shutoff is installed. Thats right. I expect more phenominal results. Anybody want to jump on the clock design? I could use the help and they could use the inclusion.
I know that by using the different 555 cap values, it saved my butt by keeping the 3rd freq off. I approach this next result set with caution and intrepidation.
Again:
coil diam is 6"
3 layers of:
collector coil is garden wire, 22 turns.
control coils are 4 segments of 30 gauge magnet wire, 200 turns on each collector.
the feedback coil is 16 gauge speaker wire (single run) wrapped around all layers in 4 segments of 17 turns.
Then interconnect the whole system by Ottos diagram.
I power the 555s @ 5v and the tip41a-s @ 12v.
Freq range is 200hz for all 3 555s.
My new power supply is 12v @ 8.25a
First law of uncontrolled TPU power up is: It gets hot real fast when you hear the clicking.
You been warned!
If you are doing this then tell me on the side if you don't want to go public here.
--giantkiller. All posted again for the utmost enjoyment of others.
You don't need to go to a crystal clock. All you do is take a 74HC14 hex Hex Schmitt Trigger, rig it up to be an RC oscillator and use a multi turn pot. Run it in the mHz region, then pump the output through a frequency divider. You can get multi stage counter dividers in one chip or you can use a 4 bit ripple counter. This will divide your frequency by 16, or more if you use more counters feeding each other.
What the above configuration will do is give you and fairly stable oscillator. It is stable because the affect of the drift and jitter of the the high frequency raw oscillator will be divided down by the divide by 16 counter. The more devisions you have the more stable your output will be.
mrl
[Airpland Joke] Giantkiller, get ahold of yourself. shake shake. Here, let me take care of this, Giantkiller snap out of it, slap slap. Doctor you're your needed over there, let me take care of this... [/Airplane Joke]
Directions:
Wind 3 coils of iron (or is it steel?) wire just under 6 inches (garden wire) of 22 turns each with 6 inch leads, optionally on a dielectric (SM used wood, GK used no dielectric core AFAIK)
GK, can you plese clarify the thickness of the wire, no idea what 'garden wire' is, is it iron or steel?
Wind a control coil of 200 turns on each iron core with 30# copper wire, wind it in 4 segments (50 turns a segment), covering 90 degrees each and connected as shown in Otto's fig. 4 otto_control_coil wiring1.jpg. The way I understand it each ring recieves a different frequency on it's control coil?
CORRECTION, 200 turn segments x, that's 800 for each ring, that's 2,400 times your going to pass a small spool of wire through the center! (not counting the feedback coil)
GK, It is not clear if the segments are magnetically bucking or not. (is the flux circling inside the ring, and if so cw or ccw?)
Wind a feedback coil with 16 gauge speaker wire (single run) wrapped around all layers in 4 segments of 17 turns. (likely connected the same as the control coils)
GK, in the picture (snap 0261), I can see that you have what appears to be wire with 2 insulated cores, which makes sense as you said speaker wire, but I only count half the number of pairs you mentioned. (17 seems about right if I assume it's single core though)
Connect all coils as per Otto's diagram,
Howeever GK said 'Bias ohms are 100', GK are you using 100 ohm resistors (what wattage?) when though Otto uses 12 ohm 1 watt resistors?
For the driver, 3 555s @ 5v and the tip41a-s @ 12v.
http://www.alldatasheet.com/datasheet-pdf/pdf/5769/MOTOROLA/TIP41A.html
Freq range is 200hz for all 3 555s.
>My new power supply is 12v @ 8.25a
>I went down to around 200hz. The tuning fork example of 'C' puts it at 261.6hz.
>My 3 555 are @ 2.2Uf, 2.2Uf, & 4.7Uf. Yes they don't match!!!!!!
I suppose he means the caps he is using on the 555, along with a single turn 500k pot.
Running: It can take many seconds to really do anything.
Use magnets on the inside
Watch it, it will get hot FAST! (when you hear the clicking)
Viabration and gyroscopic effects are present!
I (aether22) would guess that it is probably OU based on how fast the metal heated up. (2 secs)
You need a scope, but an old analog (or new analog ;) without storage (ability to freeze) is ok apparently.
Also GK used Dave's 3x 555 circuit I believe, can someone dig it up? (it was so many pages ago)
Questions for GK:
recap of questions for GK so they hopefully all get answered
1: Is it iron wire or steel wire? What is it's thickness? Does it appear to retain much magnetisum (before you used it in the TPU)
2: As the different segments are wound in different directions, are the segments bucking or attracting? In other words are half creating a cw magnetic field with the other half creating a ccw magnetic field? If not is the magnetic field cw or ccw inside the coil?
3: In the picture (snap 0261), I can see that you have what appears to be wire with 2 insulated cores, which makes sense as you said speaker wire, but I only count half the number of pairs you mentioned. (17 seems about right if it were single core though which clearly it isn't)
4: Bias ohms are 100?, GK are you using 100 ohm resistors (what wattage?) when though Otto uses 12 ohm 1 watt resistors?
For All,
A small correction aether22. The control coils are 200 turns each for a total of 800 turns. The smaller the wire the more turns you can get. I am thinking the 30 AWG is probably better but you can get results with 26AWG.
The collector core can be either iron/steel/zinc composite wire, the garden wire can be found at the local hobby store or garden center, coppper is preferred by some builders (Otto and myself, I think it will provide better reaction). Personally I am using 26AWG solid core copper for the control coils. The feedback coil has been 18AWG (for Otto's) or 16AWG stranded (GK), I am thinking the feedback should be 16 or 14AWG copper, better for handling current and heating.
Remember, we are still testing these things out so the specs can change. Also remember Otto is using all copper and has achieved output of over 400V with the wiring diagram posted. He found better results using MOSFETs which may provide better isolation from back EMF from the coils.
So I say have at it boys!
Starcruiser, have you had gyroscopic forces display in your TPU?
Have you had extreme anomalous heat?
As far as I'm aware GK is the only one to have anything truly weird. (anything stranger than a step up transformer effect)
Hello GK,
Just curious to know if you have tried to connect anything to the output of your TPU yet?
God Bless,
Jason O
@aether22,
Honestly no because my TPU was a different design (was trying something different) and I got increased signal in the collectors (5v in over 60v out) but no real current (tried to rectify the signal and it dropped the signal). I am building a new version using Otto's specs (back to basics).
My comments come from a compilation of info from Otto, GK and others.
BTW, have you looked at the markovich docs? The TPU looks at lot like a modified Markovich version. It produces voltage from the signal differential (delay line effect) and obtains its voltage from that.
@GK,
You might want to try using capacitors in place of the resistors this may improve output and reduce heating. I was thinking about this during work today. This is another item I would like to test, but since you are a few steps ahead of me you can try this now if you like. Check the frequency of the signal coming from the collector that is connected to the resisitor. Then calculate the capacitance to allow passage of the signal.
BTW,
My parts were waiting for me when I got home today!!! :D
Finished my control coils last night now to form them and wrap my feedback coils. Should be right there with you real soon!
Gonna be a busy weekend!
This site is getting annoying! server issues....
A few pix of my TPUv5
And few of TPUv6 under construction
Quote from: Jdo300 on January 04, 2007, 08:20:38 PM
Hello GK,
Just curious to know if you have tried to connect anything to the output of your TPU yet?
God Bless,
Jason O
I did use a 120 light bulb. There are sparks and the scope waves diminish in voltage. But that was too premature. I made a change this morning and the overheating was almost instant. I turned it off and stopped there. I am currently doing doco. so I can continue with the hardware test. I did post about the timing drift and the problems with that.
--giantkiller
starcruiser, it seems you are winding your collector which it's a sausage and then making it into a rod, is that correct?
Giantkiller, how did you make yours? did you wind it as a donut (slow and laborious) or as a normal coil and them bent it into a donut.
ESIT: If so it means I misinterpreted your design, I thought it was 22 turns in series, but it is probably parallel in that case. (though I suppose you could feed it through)
I really would hate to wind over 2400 turns the hard way unnessasarily, I guess it comes down to the question: GK, when you say 22 turns, do you mean in series or parallel?
Please answer, this is quite important.
EDIT: I also want to make 100% sure that each of the 3 rings has only one segmented control coil feed by a single tip41a.
Also i want to clarify, you are driving the tip41a directly with the 555 right? Is there a reason you didn't use a MOSFET?
@aether22,
Yes, the collector is comprised of multiple strands of lamp wire (8 x 16AWG copper), I wrap my control coils on that then I will create a loop using cork spacers. I will then wrap that with tape and then wrap the feedback coil over that (in 4 sections) wrapping the coil going in the same direction as the control coils.
For testing I will start off by using the Tesla generator wiring scheme and connect them using Otto's interconnection diagram. I have a few ideas as to variations but want to check Otto's wiring design and validate it. I will then make the few changes (one at a time) to see what happens. I already have the clocks built with the same drivers as GK (TIP31's). I also have higher power NPN's that are designed for a TV deflection yoke (they have built in diodes and are rated for 800v).
I am documenting the build with pictures so I can share the info and all can see how I did it. I believe this will help others that want to build their own. :)
Here is the coils specs and circuit.
BTW Aether22, the TPU v5 has a collector that is 18 turns of lampcord wrapped as coil then the control coils are hand wound thru the dounut hole. It does not take all that long with 18 AWG.
With the TPU v6 the collector is based on what Otto has done and is similar to the Markovich design. Single Rod with a coil wrapped over it.
Quote from: aether22 on January 04, 2007, 09:31:17 PM
starcruiser, it seems you are winding your collector which it's a sausage and then making it into a rod, is that correct?
Giantkiller, how did you make yours? did you wind it as a donut (slow and laborious) or as a normal coil and them bent it into a donut.
ESIT: If so it means I misinterpreted your design, I thought it was 22 turns in series, but it is probably parallel in that case. (though I suppose you could feed it through)
I really would hate to wind over 2400 turns the hard way unnessasarily, I guess it comes down to the question: GK, when you say 22 turns, do you mean in series or parallel?
Please answer, this is quite important.
EDIT: I also want to make 100% sure that each of the 3 rings has only one segmented control coil feed by a single tip41a.
Also i want to clarify, you are driving the tip41a directly with the 555 right? Is there a reason you didn't use a MOSFET?
Donut wound. each collector is 22 turns serially. 1 complete wire. I just posted the stuff.
--giantkiller.
Hey GK,
how close did you make the control coils to each other? Right next to each other or do you have a space between them?
@starcruiser: Great job. and thanks for the help.
@ aether22: keep the questions coming. It makes better doco.
@GK,
Helping with those calls....
:D
Quote from: starcruiser on January 04, 2007, 09:56:02 PM
Hey GK,
how close did you make the control coils to each other? Right next to each other or do you have a space between them?
Gad i frgt the pix.
--giantkiller. Soooorrrryyyy
And then with the feedback on.
Merry Christmas and don't burn your house.
--giantkiller.
Hey I see alot of progress going on, some of you are geting realy close to a working TPU.
I have just finished my new TPU with 4 segment control coils. My original TPU had 6 segment controls and I wasn't sure how to hook them up like the Tesla patent.
This time I used 40 6 ft. strands of #26 magnet wire for each collector instead of lamp wire. Also I have given up on the 555's and now I will try 3 OP amp function generators found here http://www.electronickits.com/kit/complete/meas/ck102.pdf
I have one I built in electronics class so I just need two more.
Keep up the good work! and a special Thanks to Otto for the wiring diagrams very helpful. ;)
Mike
And the white nylon connectors.
--giantkiller. Now I am truely a free man.
Hello all,
@Gk
connect a light bulb!!
Otto
This is my first post :D I have been watching the TPU development for 2 weeks now and I think I would be confident now to build a TPU with all the new results and posts that giantkiller has just made. Thank you GK ;) and all the oters who have made this possible.
@Giantkiller, I see your TPU on the rulers in the pic and noticed that it is 4 inches diamiter ??? is this correct? because your instructions say it is 6 inches?
Thanks
Hello all,
@GK
connect a light bulb
Otto
Quote from: gotoluc on January 04, 2007, 11:09:36 PM
@Giantkiller, I see your TPU on the rulers in the pic and noticed that it is 4 inches diamiter ??? is this correct? because your instructions say it is 6 inches?
So,... women lie about their age. :D :D :D
GK, your a gem!
In the history of Free Energy, the largest problem is those with success not sharing enough to ensure a successful replication. (Sure, they share, but often the devil is in the details, never more than with these technologies where some devices will only work once ever)
Naturally a great deal of your details could be changed without issue, but something has lead to success in your device that others have not found despite making very similar devices.
I know you know that, I just want to explain why I'm going to ask so many stupid questions.
>@ aether22: keep the questions coming. It makes better doco.
1: Why tip41a, do you think it will work better than a MOSFET?
1.5: Does the sharp on time seem to be key, do you think tip41a is faster?
2: Your drawing says that the collector coils are connected to the positive by a 100ohm 1/4 watt resistor each, but the resistors in your photo are not in a 1/4w package, is it that they run cool that you figure 1/4 watt is all that is needed? (stupid question I guess)
3: The green wire like that is used for for flower arranging I believe also, it looks to be between 1/32nds or 3/64ths of an inch (about 1 or 2 mm). Do you know if it is steel or iron, also is it magnetically soft? (before you started)
4: I don't think you have yet answered as to if the magnetic fields created by a single control coil have the segments bucking or not, and if not which way is the magnetic field within the coil? cw or ccw, and are all the control coils identicle in that respect? - this will effect how people wind their controller coils!
5: Ok, this is a stupid question but could possibly be important, when winding the control coil segments, did you do a single layer back and forth until you got to 200, or did you scramble wind it from where is started to where it ends about 68 degrees to the right or left, or was a single layer about 200 turns anyway?
6: Really really dumb question, which layer has the 555 with the 4.7uf cap?
7: How much current do your 555's pull (in total) if you know? (it may effect what powersource people use for the low power side, I'd use a 9v battery with a larger value resistor on the transistor if it's not too much)
Operation:
Please explain how you go about getting results, you need to look at the scope output and get it to do what?
is the magnet required to get results? And do you get results with either pole?
You tune all 3 555's to about the same frequency (or do you try to get them as close as pos.?), in the 200hz area?(261hz)
are you finding that specific frequencies work best, if so how is the bandwidth? (is it a sharp Q?)
How long does it take from sitting down and begining tuning in the 555's till you generally have a build up condition with heat or gyroscopic forces?
Have your gyrpscopic forces increased?
Have to detected the washboard effect?
BTW I note that there is about a 22 degree gap between control coils approx, and hence coils cover about 68 degrees.
I wanna come join you over there soooo bad!
Here are tonights results:
I put 3 freqs in. tuned them to around 100hz. The coils clicks and warms up.
As I brought each freq down to about 60, the clicks/spikes on the scope appear in different times. As spike appear jumping around, the coil warms up to hot. I get all 3 freqs somewhere around 60hz and the coil gets the hottest. Only 1 load resistor gets even warm. Thats it. Damndest thing I've ever noticed. Now everybody would try to get the most spikes on the scope as possible, right? Well here is my claim to fame. The coil doesn't want smooth. The hottest and best temperature are when the 3 freqs are close and low. Of course I get drift. So there is random banging of waves. So when the scope shows 1 to 3 spikes with random spacing, the coil performs the best. Best? what does it do? it gets hot. No power yet. BUT! you put your hand on it and it feels like that flesh jingle when you touch 120ac. Come on you know the feeling. It is the only time death feels inviting. LOL. On the coil you can feel the power waves cross over your hand. I like my hand a little on the rare side. Not crispy. I use my right hand so I won't write with a limp.
Anyway. The site is really up to level tonight for great doco & question submissions. It is great to have the feeling that others are on board. I started out the day feeling like a National security threat.
I have some improvements to make. I have noticed that I have 100 ohms in line with the feedbacks and the control coils. I need to keep the 100 ohms in line with the controllers and not the collectors. But if all this coil configuration does is get hot then that still is a greater step to work with. This step needs others anyway. So basically we have 3 freqs, spikes, harmonics, & heat. To me that says a productive platform for more testing.
--giantkiller.
Quote from: Spherenot on January 04, 2007, 11:31:07 PM
Quote from: gotoluc on January 04, 2007, 11:09:36 PM
@Giantkiller, I see your TPU on the rulers in the pic and noticed that it is 4 inches diamiter ??? is this correct? because your instructions say it is 6 inches?
So,... women lie about their age. :D :D :D
Oh dude, I am stupified. Yes it is 4". I did not do well today as a human.
--giantkiller.
Quote from: giantkiller on January 04, 2007, 11:57:47 PM
Quote from: Spherenot on January 04, 2007, 11:31:07 PM
Quote from: gotoluc on January 04, 2007, 11:09:36 PM
@Giantkiller, I see your TPU on the rulers in the pic and noticed that it is 4 inches diamiter ??? is this correct? because your instructions say it is 6 inches?
So,... women lie about their age. :D :D :D
Oh dude, I am stupified. Yes it is 4". I did not do well today as a human.
--giantkiller.
Go easy on yourself, you just gave the world Free Energy, who will notice 2 measley inches?
Quote from: otto on January 04, 2007, 11:15:38 PM
Hello all,
@GK
connect a light bulb
Otto
I will do that next session. Tnx (Thanks).
--giantkiller. Good Night, all. I had a great day because of all of you. I can rest.
@GK
Most guys brag that they have 10 inches. ;D
I finished winding my 3rd TPU today. Will do some tests tomorrow and see what happens. The first two were just for playing around and doing tests with. I guess I wouldn't really call them TPU's a better name would be fancy transformers or coils. This TPU is based on Otto's diagram.
I do have a question for either you or Otto to answer for me. I have 3 square wave generators. Only one of them gives me adjustable pulse widths. Will a standard square wave suffice? They all give me about 10VDC output.
Tim
Hello Tin,
you dont need to adjust pulse widths. Only the frequencies. Everything else ok.
Otto
Hi GK
How many amps are you pulling from your new supply with a 100W lamp on the output?
Sorry, mis-post.
Quote from: CTG Labs on January 05, 2007, 07:07:41 AM
Sorry, mis-post.
Hi Dave,
I have happened to see your picture and the possible explanation for that black blob is that within that display area the control of the TFT transistors are missing so those transistors cannot get any useful 'update' from the driving matrix. Permanent fault, usually unrepairable. If I have goofed, please let me know...
rgds, Gyula
Quote from: giantkiller on January 04, 2007, 09:51:25 PM
Here is the coils specs and circuit.
GK: Regarding the note on your image, TPU4-coils.gif : "No special reason for 4 segments. Could all be one segment." Will you be winding TPU#5 with single control coils? Inquiring minds want to know.
Spherenot,
I believe GK was referring to the feedback coil and not the control coils.
There is some debate as to whether the feedback coil should be segmented the same as the control and wired in the same manner or one continuous coil.
I am wondering if the feedback should be wound opposite the control coils (wrap direction) as in the Markovich diagram.
In any case you can wind the feedback coil in 4 segments and try those two configs, i.e. serially connect them or like the control coils, opposing (Tesla generator).
I will try both, first as Otto has done, in segments, then after validating the results Otto has gotten, I will redo the feedback in an opposed coil config.
Quote from: gyulasun on January 05, 2007, 07:45:46 AM
Quote from: CTG Labs on January 05, 2007, 07:07:41 AM
Sorry, mis-post.
Hi Dave,
I have happened to see your picture and the possible explanation for that black blob is that within that display area the control of the TFT transistors are missing so those transistors cannot get any useful 'update' from the driving matrix. Permanent fault, usually unrepairable. If I have goofed, please let me know...
rgds, Gyula
Dave indicated that the strange black blob was due to what he had displayed on his screen at the time. No screen failure.
I was thinking maybe it was a black hole he created with his TPU test, LOL ;D
EDIT
GK
From Otto's schematic and your transistor config diagram, it shows a very low resistance path from PSU pos, through the feedback coil, into the control coils and straight onto each of your transistor collectors and then to ground through the transistor. That would be very hot man. Could you please check this out and report back if your wiring is in fact in accordance to the drawings posted.
Quote from: starcruiser on January 05, 2007, 08:27:14 AM
Spherenot,
I believe GK was referring to the feedback coil and not the control coils.
There is some debate as to whether the feedback coil should be segmented the same as the control and wired in the same manner or one continuous coil.
I am wondering if the feedback should be wound opposite the control coils (wrap direction) as in the Markovich diagram.
In any case you can wind the feedback coil in 4 segments and try those two configs, i.e. serially connect them or like the control coils, opposing (Tesla generator).
I will try both, first as Otto has done, in segments, then after validating the results Otto has gotten, I will redo the feedback in an opposed coil config.
Good morning friends and countrymen!
It is a good day to TPU!
A most importante note here:
I was refering to the feedback coil segments,
All are wound the same way, if you put a starting point towards you I wind over the top first then continue left, so from the top we go Clockwise.
All coils are pulsed in the same direction. Clockwise.
@Otto, Dude your right on! Widths don't matter. Square wave sends the wall of power smashing into the metal which creats bursts of energy, KICKS. I got 'em, I see 'em, & I FEEL 'EM! They go through my hand! and I feel the radiant field wipe across my hand like warm pudding.
'I know Kung-Fu!' quote from the matrix movie.
So I got sloppy pots. The drifts are possibly a gift or problem, i will see. But for 3 test sessions
I turn it on and I got kicks. No big deal. These are automatic now. You see the spike on the scope and at the top there is a little star! On each and every tall spike!
Now ya'll would think that if you increase the freqs you get more power coupled? Wrong! buckos. set scope at 2ms per. I see 1 to 4 spikes per sreen. It varies because of clock drift. But it's all good! You see the spikes, you hear the clicks(can you say 'KICKS?'), and when there just right the TPU heat rises, just like toaster. same speed, not level YET! In another words I cannot get maximum runaway yet. Remeber the clocks in the center of the SM17?
Now for the best part. After every test I end up an emotional wreck from the findings. Way too much joy for this vessel. So this morning
I turn it on! Easy. I adjust freqs to see what causes the fastest rise in heat. And I get it. I hear it. I feel the power. And guess what I hear? Vwooohooomp, Vwooohooomp, Vwooohooomp, Vwooohooomp. Remember the sound from the movie 'Contact'. Go figure. But it is what it is. And remember when Jodie Foster was looking into the void and exclaiming 'It's Beautiful!'. I am in that 24/7.
Now I want others to build by the specs I posted. There needs to be more minds on this plane of exuberance to change reality. This is a must...
--giantkiller. I need to take a little break. I'll be back.
Quote from: Hoppy on January 05, 2007, 05:21:29 AM
Hi GK
How many amps are you pulling from your new supply with a 100W lamp on the output?
When my personal parade stops. I will do this tonight.
--giantkiller. Yahweh cool, dudes!
@GK:
You said, you turn your TPU to 60HZ. it is very suspicious for me. Does this mean you draw power from any 60Hz Powerline with a TPU?
(I found the attachments in archive. I have no sources for this, sorry)
..dani
Quote
Now for the best part. After every test I end up an emotional wreck from the findings. Way too much joy for this vessel. So this morning I turn it on! Easy. I adjust freqs to see what causes the fastest rise in heat. And I get it. I hear it. I feel the power. And guess what I hear? Vwooohooomp, Vwooohooomp, Vwooohooomp, Vwooohooomp. Remember the sound from the movie 'Contact'. Go figure. But it is what it is. And remember when Jodie Foster was looking into the void and exclaiming 'It's Beautiful!'. I am in that 24/7.
--giantkiller. I need to take a little break. I'll be back.
What section of your TPU is heating up? Is the heat concentrated in the collector?
Quote from: HMM on January 04, 2007, 10:16:26 PM
Hey I see alot of progress going on, some of you are geting realy close to a working TPU.
I have just finished my new TPU with 4 segment control coils. My original TPU had 6 segment controls and I wasn't sure how to hook them up like the Tesla patent.
This time I used 40 6 ft. strands of #26 magnet wire for each collector instead of lamp wire. Also I have given up on the 555's and now I will try 3 OP amp function generators found here http://www.electronickits.com/kit/complete/meas/ck102.pdf
I have one I built in electronics class so I just need two more.
Keep up the good work! and a special Thanks to Otto for the wiring diagrams very helpful. ;)
Mike
Keep going. You could second out of the chute.
I guarantee yours will work with Ottos config and 555 square wave pulses.
I see collectors in a loop, control coils with mag wire, then feedbacks. Good deal.
Now those that build a TPU: Warning! the next step is tuning and that means vhf and a new beast, radiant power, flying through your space! I've used my right hand to feel test. I have had a headache behind my right eye for 1 1/2 days now. Don't know if they are connected but why take the chance. Remember this: when Edison turned his Dynamos on for the first time, MEN DIED!
So I am going to cover my TPU with foil to protect myself and try forcing the radiant back into the coil. Woohoo! I would rather see a meltdown on my bench than behind my eyes. That front row seat is just a bit too close the action.
I was also given the recommendation to build a aluminum screen shielding cage with a microwave door screen on top. You can be seen on radar! Anybody live close to an airport? If you do show up on radar with an unauthorized signature guess who you're going to meet? Thanks to a previous poster for that.
--giantkiller. Go get'em boys! (from the movie 'Zeon'). I guess it's apparent that I am heavily medicated with media.
Quote from: mflynn44 on January 05, 2007, 02:13:11 PM
Quote
Now for the best part. After every test I end up an emotional wreck from the findings. Way too much joy for this vessel. So this morning I turn it on! Easy. I adjust freqs to see what causes the fastest rise in heat. And I get it. I hear it. I feel the power. And guess what I hear? Vwooohooomp, Vwooohooomp, Vwooohooomp, Vwooohooomp. Remember the sound from the movie 'Contact'. Go figure. But it is what it is. And remember when Jodie Foster was looking into the void and exclaiming 'It's Beautiful!'. I am in that 24/7.
--giantkiller. I need to take a little break. I'll be back.
I can't get in there. I believe it is the just feed back. The feedback leads are warm but none of the other coil leads are. look at the pic so you can see.
--giantkiller.
What section of your TPU is heating up? Is the heat concentrated in the collector?
Hello Tesla/TPU-fans and user,
there is/was an east-german inventor with several kind of space station technology,
specially cause the Tesla coil :
DE 4243695
Up to 10 000 000 V, I think that is a "very fast" voltage-accelerator,
like the TPU,
this is all fusion reactor technology !
S
dL
Quote from: dani on January 05, 2007, 01:46:29 PM
@GK:
You said, you turn your TPU to 60HZ. it is very suspicious for me. Does this mean you draw power from any 60Hz Powerline with a TPU?
(I found the attachments in archive. I have no sources for this, sorry)
..dani
I believe it has something to do with the atomic make up of the softer conductive metals.
--giantkiller. After all, everything is in this huge atomic field
@aether22:
tip41a: amperage rating
1/4 watt: This is really strange. Not heat outside of coil. Marco had posted before about the aether vortex comes swirling through the center. The coil is a receiver that picks is up.
green wire: yes, iron I believe. Steel is not a base metal. Iron/nickel and nickel not magnetic. could prove resistive.
Mag field: New frontier here. Compass points north. Turn on TPU compass bangs south either on top in middle or under coil
Each coils is a sinlge layer. If you wind back & forth you negate the field.
freq selection per layer doesn't matter: It's all stranger than common science. Otto posted to just apply freqs. Adjust and have fun.
The measurement of current tonight should lead to the size battery i can get away with.
There ya go, dude.
@all, I'll be online everywhere I am. So ask away. I build a shield today. Cardboard and aluminum foil for starters.
--giantkiller. Shock and awe, 24/7!
Holy rotating aether vortexes batman!
Assuming anyone can replicate this, it's only a matter of rolling up our sleves until we have a practical FE device and more!
From what I've read, if you vary the pulse with of the inducing flied you will vary the effect of the radiant energy.
Tesla, from what I've read, would very the duration of the spake gap and get different flavors of radiant energy. One would light the whole room, the other would push objects back, another would give a stinging feeling on his skin, another would create a sense of wellbeing, another would cool the room.
Pulse duration may be important.
Quote from: aether22 on January 05, 2007, 03:25:40 PM
Holy rotating aether vortexes batman!
Assuming anyone can replicate this, it's only a matter of rolling up our sleves until we have a practical FE device and more!
Let's do some 'Time displacement' here. The weekend is here. By Sunday, there should be more 'Beacons' shining from the planet surface. At least one. But me? Sh.. dudes, I'll be light years further down the path from where I am now. This
Amazement is a growth serum and a drug. I hope somebody can join me on their own path. The biggest kick you'll get is not from your TPU but from the total experience. The math for me is simple: $300.00 in parts, 100 days, 1 TPU = 'Threat to the existance of commonality'. Yeeeooowww! Come on in. The fun is great! I told everybody this was simple!
Tnx SM!
--giantkiller. Am I the only one on the planet, now?
Quote from: mrl on January 05, 2007, 03:36:28 PM
From what I've read, if you vary the pulse with of the inducing flied you will vary the effect of the radiant energy.
Tesla, from what I've read, would very the duration of the spake gap and get different flavors of radiant energy. One would light the whole room, the other would push objects back, another would give a stinging feeling on his skin, another would create a sense of wellbeing, another would cool the room.
Pulse duration may be important.
This is true. I was watching this morning. But not a show stopper. your 555s should have 2 pots on them. use 200k, preferably multiturn but single turn ok & with 2.2uf caps.
--giantkiller. As the tuning gets defined, the multitude of effects will become apparent. You'll see!
Will be there with you shortly :D
GK, the thing I really need an answer on before I can begin building is how to wind the control coils.
This can be answered either by you saying if they are bucking or not, or better yet you drawing a diagram. (where about 2 turns represent 200, with the core transparent)
I don't want to make 1200 of the turns in the wrong direction.
Please see my attached picture and carefully study it to ensure it is correct. (all in all there are 8 different likely and many more possible winding direction combinations)
Quote from: mrl on January 05, 2007, 03:36:28 PM
From what I've read, if you vary the pulse with of the inducing flied you will vary the effect of the radiant energy.
Tesla, from what I've read, would very the duration of the spake gap and get different flavors of radiant energy. One would light the whole room, the other would push objects back, another would give a stinging feeling on his skin, another would create a sense of wellbeing, another would cool the room.
Pulse duration may be important.
notice the rise and fall times:
Hi GK,
I have been following your progress and was wondering if you have created some kind of super efficient peltier effect device.
That would of course mean that some part of the core was also being cooled.
To measure the heat created you would need to submerse the coil in water (in a plastic bag perhaps) and measure the temperature rise for a given volume of water.
Some of the effects you are seeing do sound pretty unusual.
It would be good to see electrical output via a bulb.
Then you can move onto a closed loop idea.
I am working on the MEG replication at the moment and you can watch the course of it on the Energymover group on google.
Keep up the good work.
ps How is the kitchen floor coming on? Is Mrs Giantkiller telling you to stop messing with your coils and playing on your computer and get some proper work done?
Its OK, I'm in the same boat, I have 22 sq.m of bamboo floor to lay.
Regards
Rob
Quote from: aether22 on January 05, 2007, 04:12:58 PM
I don't want to make 1200 of the turns in the wrong direction.
Please see my attached picture...
aether22, in your image: you might want to use hidden lines for the wires coiling behind and out of view of the toroid. I can see it winding two ways without hidden lines. I got your back.
Quote from: giantkiller on January 05, 2007, 03:42:26 PM
Yeeeooowww! Come on in. The fun is great! I told everybody this was simple!
Your exuberance is contagious. My scope is on it's way. I will soon be sprinting towards the fence with the rest of you geeks. :-* ;) :D
Quote from: Spherenot on January 05, 2007, 06:17:36 PM
Quote from: giantkiller on January 05, 2007, 03:42:26 PM
Yeeeooowww! Come on in. The fun is great! I told everybody this was simple!
Your exuberance is contagious. My scope is on it's way. I will soon be sprinting towards the fence with the rest of you geeks. :-* ;) :D
It looks like it will do the trick!
Quote from: Spherenot on January 05, 2007, 06:17:36 PM
Quote from: giantkiller on January 05, 2007, 03:42:26 PM
Yeeeooowww! Come on in. The fun is great! I told everybody this was simple!
Your exuberance is contagious. My scope is on it's way. I will soon be sprinting towards the fence with the rest of you geeks. :-* ;) :D
Yes for you, for you will no longer stand idley by on the shore but make great leaps into the vastness of ideas to map yet another course for mankind.
uh, in other words "Welcome to the kickass club!".
I guarantee this: #2 TPUer is going to fill his shorts on this sight when he gets there.
At this moment I must make forward sounding statements:
I have to make a shielding cage. Whoever the next TPUer is, when you fire up your TPU and you feel kicks!
STOP! You must build a box made of aluminum screen for doors and you can put a microwave door screen on top to avoid radar from above!
Now the rest of you: when you see #2 arise from the group, that is your cue to make a cage also in parallel with your TPU construction. Would you believe me if I said these are dangerous. Just be safe.
--giantkiller. Thanks to the posters who answer questions to others where they can. This is a great help. My task list is growing. And who gives a damn about the kitchen floor! I don't need no stinking kitchen to geek! I am so far on top of the world right now I can't see that far down. For now anyway, he replies humbily...
Quote from: Spherenot on January 05, 2007, 06:04:34 PM
Quote from: aether22 on January 05, 2007, 04:12:58 PM
I don't want to make 1200 of the turns in the wrong direction.
Please see my attached picture...
aether22, in your image: you might want to use hidden lines for the wires coiling behind and out of view of the toroid. I can see it winding two ways without hidden lines. I got your back.
I had made the wires at the back purple, but I agree it wasn't clear enough.
I have attached another version as per your suggestion.
Giantkiller, please clarify this, otherwise I could waste a lot of time and copper wire. (mainly time)
the direction of the magnetic field is likely very important!
Also it might be that the difference between Otto's results (lots of energy out) and GK's results (impressive aetheric effects, not so much energy) is exactlly this issue. (it's either that or the iron most likely)
Should that screen be grounded?Keep all hands and other body parts out of the center of the ring or around the ring - especially at the lower pulse widths.
QuoteFROM TESLA:
0.1 millisecond duration:
- produced pain and mechanical pressures
- objects visibly vibrated and even moved as the force field drove them along
- Thin wires, exposed to sudden bursts of the radiant field, exploded into vapor.
100 microseconds or less:
- Pain and physical movements ceased
1.0 microsecond duration:
- strong physiological heat was sensed.
Impulses of 100 microsecond duration (or shorter) passed through all matter (except the collector coil), a fitting form of electrical energy to broadcast throughout the stone, steel, and glass of a power-needy city.
QuoteFrom the EE world - Clock signals with clock frequencies much less than 1MHz, and rise and fall times in the nano seconds range could have Fourier spectrum extending all the way in the hundreds of Megahertz range or even higher.
RF meter anyone - (pretty simple one)?
http://www.qsl.net/n9zia/wireless/appendixF.html#8
http://geocities.com/ajpotts19/wavemeter.html
http://www.qsl.net/n9zia/wireless/LED-rf-pics.html
EDIT: fixed list bullets
Quote from: aether22 on January 05, 2007, 06:57:04 PM
Quote from: Spherenot on January 05, 2007, 06:04:34 PM
Quote from: aether22 on January 05, 2007, 04:12:58 PM
I don't want to make 1200 of the turns in the wrong direction.
Please see my attached picture...
aether22, in your image: you might want to use hidden lines for the wires coiling behind and out of view of the toroid. I can see it winding two ways without hidden lines. I got your back.
I had made the wires at the back purple, but I agree it wasn't clear enough.
I have attached another version as per your suggestion.
Giantkiller, please clarify this, otherwise I could waste a lot of time and copper wire. (mainly time)
the direction of the magnetic field is likely very important!
Also it might be that the difference between Otto's results (lots of energy out) and GK's results (impressive aetheric effects, not so much energy) is exactlly this issue. (it's either that or the iron most likely)
This clear: the feedback and the controls are in the same direction. From the position in in your face, you go over the top and wind to the left. In example: looking down then you will follow a clockwise direction. Kapeesh?
Draw that. Then connect by Ottos diag. In his diags wire by to one ring picture then by the 3 ring picture.
--giantkiller. Paint by numbers. Ok, now pick up the blue crayon. Just kidding.
One day...
Someday...
Never,
No more!
This time is now!
--giantkiller. Let's rock the planet!
I will say this again more clearly.
Tuning Fork , strap it to the device DO NOT TOUCH THE RING !
And yes Grumpy the cage must be grounded.
Quote from: giantkiller on January 05, 2007, 07:05:30 PM
Quote from: aether22 on January 05, 2007, 06:57:04 PM
Quote from: Spherenot on January 05, 2007, 06:04:34 PM
Quote from: aether22 on January 05, 2007, 04:12:58 PM
I don't want to make 1200 of the turns in the wrong direction.
Please see my attached picture...
aether22, in your image: you might want to use hidden lines for the wires coiling behind and out of view of the toroid. I can see it winding two ways without hidden lines. I got your back.
I had made the wires at the back purple, but I agree it wasn't clear enough.
I have attached another version as per your suggestion.
Giantkiller, please clarify this, otherwise I could waste a lot of time and copper wire. (mainly time)
the direction of the magnetic field is likely very important!
Also it might be that the difference between Otto's results (lots of energy out) and GK's results (impressive aetheric effects, not so much energy) is exactlly this issue. (it's either that or the iron most likely)
This clear: the feedback and the controls are in the same direction. From the position in in your face, you go over the top and wind to the left. In example: looking down then you will follow a clockwise direction. Kapeesh?
Draw that. Then connect by Ottos diag. In his diags wire by to one ring picture then by the 3 ring picture.
--giantkiller. Paint by numbers. Ok, now pick up the blue crayon. Just kidding.
That description just isn't as clear to me as it is to you.
Look at the new picture I've attached, the only difference is that the segments have been numbered.
From what you say I gather the fields in your design are bucking, so 2 of the segments need to be wound in the opposite direction, if this is so please tell me if it's 1 and 4, or 2 and 3 which need the winding direction reversed.
Thank You (I really want to get building started today, but without this info copying your design propperly will be maddening)
Build it then you will understand . The vibration coming from the ring is harmful to you .
Don't touch the ring to feel it working . Go buy a cheap 5$ Tuning fork and strap it to the TPU then you can hear that vibration when it is working and hear the kicks as well.
aether22,
use the right hand rule when wrapping your coils. If you are not sure of this take you r right hand, palm down, curl your 4 fingers like your grabbing the collector, the thumb point the direction of the wrap and the fingers are showing you how the wire goes.
from your diagram all coils should be wound as in coil 1
@aether22
This has nothing to do with science, yet.
Your control segment windings are going around the collectors the wrong way. Lets talk about the small windings first. They start over the top, go behind down into the center, come out of the bottom to the outside, then up the outside and over the top again. This gives you your first turn. Do this first then we will go to the next step. No buts! Safety first, fun second. We don't want to stumble out of the chute.
You just saw the post about not touching the ring, no? Well I've been holding on to my for dear life. Now I go get tuning fork with my shield cage. Probably been cooking myself...
Off to the hardware store.
--giantkiller. One for all and all for one.
Quote from: kingrs on January 05, 2007, 06:00:25 PM
Hi GK,
I have been following your progress and was wondering if you have created some kind of super efficient peltier effect device.
That would of course mean that some part of the core was also being cooled.
To measure the heat created you would need to submerse the coil in water (in a plastic bag perhaps) and measure the temperature rise for a given volume of water.
Some of the effects you are seeing do sound pretty unusual.
It would be good to see electrical output via a bulb.
Then you can move onto a closed loop idea.
I am working on the MEG replication at the moment and you can watch the course of it on the Energymover group on google.
Keep up the good work.
ps How is the kitchen floor coming on? Is Mrs Giantkiller telling you to stop messing with your coils and playing on your computer and get some proper work done?
Its OK, I'm in the same boat, I have 22 sq.m of bamboo floor to lay.
Regards
Rob
Thank-You Kingers
I thought I was imagining things. But after actually takeing a reading,my TPU is indeed 8*F colder on the inside of the coils. All this talk of instant heating had me guesing. I'm not getting much curent 14v Dc but i am only pushing 4.5v. I havnt posted on this because 9.5v increase seems not worthwhile with other members getting far more voltage. But the cooling, This is new to me. Also it has a high pitch ring to it when powered. My dog is really not fond of this. And my children are bothered by it as well. I however cannot here anything from the devise. Thank you to all. I will be reading and when i have any thing to contribute i will post it. we can and will get it done.
Moab.
You guys made me stop lurking and register. This is pretty exciting stuff.
Maybe you can find a big old microwave oven at a thrift store for a shielding chamber. It might be interesting to see what effect it has on the TPU to have it inside this and a faraday cage. This might give a hint as to what energy it is tapping into the ether, the magnetic field of the earth, or the nearest power from the grid.
Warning, warning Will Robinson!!!
Do not allow any touching of the TPU. If it is not shielded then do so!
you'll cooking the dog and painting the kids with sunblock.
Please. Shielding and no touch!
Been there done that. Boy, what was I thinking of. And I posted einstein's remark to Oppenheimer when asked 'Hey Al, is 50 feet far enough away from the nuclear balst zone?". Al replies 'Uh, how about 50 miles...' And so goes history.
Please heed!
Quote from: Gearhead on January 05, 2007, 08:39:34 PM
...tapping into the..., or the nearest power from the grid.
Nobody here wants anything to do with that.
Hey, GK, once your device is portable you need to take it to the woods, far away from the grid, and see if it still exhibits the same effects, no?
Welcome aboard, Gearhead! Got a scope? ;D
GiantKiller, I have all the coils now wound in the same direction (which due to the connection system makes the fields opposing) in what is seen from above in a clockwise progression around the torus starting from the negative terminal. (though it strikes me that the only difference between a cw progression vs a counter clockwise progression is which way is up, turn it upside down and it's a ccw progession)
As per your instructions over the top, through the hole and around the back, this breathes a bucking B-field.
So this diagram is correct right? (it must be)
BTW is you have an iron ring collector insulated from the rest, and charge it positivly there is a chance of lift-off (though you may need more tpu's with opposite aether flows), or if you get a few and interlock them or otherwise have several focusing on a point you will also get levitation.
Finally if you manage to overload steel wire (and maybe iron wire) in the right way it will turn transparent then invisible. (got lots and lots of stories I have correlated about that)
It seems steel just isn't able to take too much excitement, it stops responding to light in any way.
Quote from: aether22 on January 05, 2007, 04:12:58 PM
GK, the thing I really need an answer on before I can begin building is how to wind the control coils.
This can be answered either by you saying if they are bucking or not, or better yet you drawing a diagram. (where about 2 turns represent 200, with the core transparent)
I don't want to make 1200 of the turns in the wrong direction.
Please see my attached picture and carefully study it to ensure it is correct. (all in all there are 8 different likely and many more possible winding direction combinations)
Hi,
you make all the windings into the same directions on all the cores.
Also the feedback coil, which Otto says, he also did devide and put as 4 "control coils" !
Then you can play with the configuration outside of the TPU,
if you take the coil endings out of the TPU and connect them
just outside.
This way, you can try several combinations.
@GiantKiller,
please don?t post these Anime pics with your postings..
Okay, they look nice, but it is offtopic and it just
only fills up the attachment folder.
Better post a few pics of your TPU.
Do you have a camera, so you can post pictures ?
What input power do you feed into your TPU ?
At ardoun 12 Volts and 8.5 Amperes you are already in
the 100 Watts input range, if you use this much and
this surely will heat your coils...
So how much power do you get out then ?
Many thanks.
Regards, Stefan.(admin)
Quote from: Spherenot on January 05, 2007, 08:46:41 PM
Quote from: Gearhead on January 05, 2007, 08:39:34 PM
...tapping into the..., or the nearest power from the grid.
Hey, GK, once your device is portable you need to take it to the woods, far away from the grid, and see if it still exhibits the same effects, no?
It'll probably still squeal like a pig, but I won't be touching it. I hear banjos.
And remember: Only TPUs can't prevent forest fires.
On the microwaves
I do not think it is radiation of this kind, None the less, I will bring home a leakage detector tomarrow and shoot it. I think this prudent at least to check it out. Tesla lived well into his 90's and if there has ever been anyone in history that has been in close contact with and prolonged exposure to this kind of thing, surely he was. No i do not think my devise is imetting microwaves. Scalar? Probably. Aether? maybe. Magnettic? Deffinately. what gentelmen say you on this?
Moab.
HELP!!!
I need a little help over here. I've wound and connected as per Otto's diagram and all I get out is what I put in. I have a feeling it may be due to the fact that I am using 3 different signal generators. 3 different power supplies feeding the coils probably doesn't help much. Anyone have any ideas. Should I dig out my MOSFET's and have the generators fire them?
And also a question for Otto. You mention back a ways that you take the power off of the point where the collectors meet with the feedback. According to your drawing, the collectors do not connect to the feedback. Did I misunderstand? Maybe it's just not shown in the drawing?
Giantkiller,
How did you make out with that light bulb? I see that they are already starting to put up billboards with you on them. Something about the second coming. You aren't paying them to do that, are you? ;D
Hello guys,
I told about this east-german inventor,
Name: Siegfried Stargard("nomen et omen"),
one of his other inventions:
cryo-cooling,based by transformer ,DE4035445 !!!
Good luck
dL
p.s.: he delivered really fine stuff,read all his different invention,
gravity-/voltage-/cryo-/vaccum- related,
the only handicap: in german language !
X, congratulations.
(Ps: SM, Mannix, TURBO; Stefan et all tanks)
Your work is divine. Work-of-Art as I use to say.
...Hello mother!
Quote from: aether22 on January 05, 2007, 09:02:16 PM
GiantKiller, I have all the coils now wound in the same direction (which due to the connection system makes the fields opposing) in what is seen from above in a clockwise progression around the torus starting from the negative terminal. (though it strikes me that the only difference between a cw progression vs a counter clockwise progression is which way is up, turn it upside down and it's a ccw progession)
As per your instructions over the top, through the hole and around the back, this breathes a bucking B-field.
So this diagram is correct right? (it must be)
BTW is you have an iron ring collector insulated from the rest, and charge it positivly there is a chance of lift-off (though you may need more tpu's with opposite aether flows), or if you get a few and interlock them or otherwise have several focusing on a point you will also get levitation.
Finally if you manage to overload steel wire (and maybe iron wire) in the right way it will turn transparent then invisible. (got lots and lots of stories I have correlated about that)
It seems steel just isn't able to take too much excitement, it stops responding to light in any way.
The bucking field coil is the transformer off the 390721 patent. I stared at that for days. I stared at his other diagrams. He was able to put things in the diagrams and not account for them. That is what struck me to one of my tests on TPU#3. Big copper but I was able to get harmonics. Not kicks though because the cu gauge / input voltage ratio was wrong. The controller needs to alot of small fields not a few big fields. That was the build it and toss it philosophy. We were all there at the same time just a' winding away.
Yes, your diagram is correct. Now forget the science and wind. The explainations come later when everybody can run TPUs instead of pondering TPUs. Been there done that as alot us have lost alot of sleep over this.
You must be new here...
I want a 4x4 array of SM17s on computer controlled gimbles on a platform in a shell. This will get me the propulsion I need to get home.
Can you feel the power?
When it comes to changing or harming steel? You only need to speak the masters name,
Hutchison.
--giantkiller. A picture is worth a thousand words. How much is this technology worth?
Think of the change you have to perform now. And no, I am not this for the money. Its only points. Remember 10k children die of starvation every day, 2 million abortions a year, average 2 million die a year of aids. Homeless people, orphans, unemployed. I wasn't going forget the reason? It takes dollars to fix a problem of this scale. This is my next project.
I was given a book by a close associate. It is called 'Streams in the desert' by Zondervan press. It has a passage to read for every day of the year. I haven't kept up. So I though today would be a good day to do just that. So I go to Today's date and lo and behold I get snapped. It reads Then Asa... said "Lord, there is no one like you to help the powerless against the mighty." (2 Chronicles 14:11). These days of mine are filled with wonderment! I am glad you are all here to witness the great things.
Quote from: MrMag on January 05, 2007, 09:39:12 PM
HELP!!!
I need a little help over here. I've wound and connected as per Otto's diagram and all I get out is what I put in. I have a feeling it may be due to the fact that I am using 3 different signal generators. 3 different power supplies feeding the coils probably doesn't help much. Anyone have any ideas. Should I dig out my MOSFET's and have the generators fire them?
And also a question for Otto. You mention back a ways that you take the power off of the point where the collectors meet with the feedback. According to your drawing, the collectors do not connect to the feedback. Did I misunderstand? Maybe it's just not shown in the drawing?
Giantkiller,
How did you make out with that light bulb? I see that they are already starting to put up billboards with you on them. Something about the second coming. You aren't paying them to do that, are you? ;D
Yes. I do feel a little like a god. LOL. I was instructed not to turn on the device without the proper shielding. I am following orders. I just got back from the hardware store with the parts.
--giantkiller
Quote from: hartiberlin on January 05, 2007, 09:10:53 PM
Quote from: aether22 on January 05, 2007, 04:12:58 PM
GK, the thing I really need an answer on before I can begin building is how to wind the control coils.
This can be answered either by you saying if they are bucking or not, or better yet you drawing a diagram. (where about 2 turns represent 200, with the core transparent)
I don't want to make 1200 of the turns in the wrong direction.
Please see my attached picture and carefully study it to ensure it is correct. (all in all there are 8 different likely and many more possible winding direction combinations)
Hi,
you make all the windings into the same directions on all the cores.
Also the feedback coil, which Otto says, he also did devide and put as 4 "control coils" !
Then you can play with the configuration outside of the TPU,
if you take the coil endings out of the TPU and connect them
just outside.
This way, you can try several combinations.
@GiantKiller,
please don?t post these Anime pics with your postings..
Okay, they look nice, but it is offtopic and it just
only fills up the attachment folder.
Better post a few pics of your TPU.
Do you have a camera, so you can post pictures ?
What input power do you feed into your TPU ?
At ardoun 12 Volts and 8.5 Amperes you are already in
the 100 Watts input range, if you use this much and
this surely will heat your coils...
So how much power do you get out then ?
Many thanks.
Regards, Stefan.(admin)
I read and obey. How much does that drive cost with the trillions of dollars of technology on it? ;)
@All,
Let us not forget! It was Otto's diagram that was the key to the step I took. I still stand on the shoulders of great men!
--giantkiller. For I am nothing without Him.
Ground the screen.
Stout wire and a clamp to a water pipe is good - or similar, like a rod in the ground
If you get high static electricity on insulating materials - like your table or counter - try mopping the floor with warm water to kick the humidity up and dissipate the charge.
Homemade coherer would be nice sanity check...make a light up circuit with it as the switch.
(ferrite filings will also work)
http://home.earthlink.net/~lenyr/coherer.htm
I couldn't find the right wire, I looked a lot.
I just want to verify, the wire has no insulation on it? (just green iron wire) - the colour obviously isn't important.
I'll try a wholesale florist tomorrow, got to build the drivers anyway.
Thanks for all the help GK, and it seems you are indeed living up to your name.
@Aether22, Garden wire does have insulation on it, green plastic!
@GK, can you confirm the input power and output power? As Stefan says, if you are already putting in near 100watts, then heating is no surprise? What then is special?
Sorry if I missed something.
Regards,
D.
GK, Otto,
If you have all the control coils connected in this manor, then how are you applying the 3 frequencies? Are they all applied together to the series coil set, or is it one frequency per layer?
Regards,
D.
Quote from: CTG Labs on January 06, 2007, 04:11:48 AM
@Aether22, Garden wire does have insulation on it, green plastic!
@GK, can you confirm the input power and output power? As Stefan says, if you are already putting in near 100watts, then heating is no surprise? What then is special?
Sorry if I missed something.
Regards,
D.
Hey Dave,
I had florist wire in mind, which is green but not insulated and used in the Cook coil which I guess made me think this was the same stuff, wasn't aware there was plastic coasted wire used in gardening.
GK, can you please cofirm your stuff it covered with green plastic?
BTW while looking for what I thought was needed I did see garden wire, but it was steel not iron. It might come down to the option of iron not insulated or steel insulated.
Dave, Giantkiller has reported gyroscopic effects, though I'm not sure he has reported anything which is solidly weird besides that, and admittedly last thing he said on the effect is that it is slight.
Other things he has reported include heat that doesn't seem to conduct along wires, intense heat in about 2 seconds, feeling energy from his device, 'kicks' he feels from his device but don't show on the scope, it takes 8 seconds to get up to speed which fits aether better than EM building up, vibration (though with pulsed electromagnets and iron core that's no shocker).
Admittedly as gyroscopic effects are the only undeniably impressive effects yet I would appreciate it if GK could convey how sure he is that the gyroscopic forces are real, have they got stronger with stronger current you're now running? (and not just an illusion created by the vibration)
Hi,
You can see the green coating in his photos. Its simply this- http://www.toolspot.co.uk/products/Gardening/Heavy%20Duty%2015M%20Garden%20Wire.jpg
It is steel wire.
I wasn't aware he had felt the gyroscopic force, this implys a real rotation? Normally a multiphase motor doesn't have a real rotating field, just several fields growing and shrinking at different times and a magnet or compass or whatever, can just "ride" on this effect, but its not like getting a magnet on a shaft and spinning it for real. The word "rotating field" in a phase motor, is just a term, its not literal!
GK certain has a lot of the effects, I have never felt heat or any gyroscopic feelings. How can gyroscopic forces be felt when no mass is moving or spinning?!
Looks like he is on the right track, I think we just need some real Input/Output power measurements now!
Regards,
Dave.
Yeah, but of course Dave, just to clarify.
Even if you had a true rotating field somehow, it still wouldn't display any gyroscopic effects (you could argue that light moving in a circular waveguide could impart a slight force)
So as there is no rotation of physical matter (and fields don't count), what could be rotating? ;)
No, my point was if you rotating a real magnet, then you have spinning mass, regardless of the magnetic field.
So if we feel Gyroscopic forces in the TPU then its doing something fundamentally different!
D.
Hi Moab,
I remember back in the past about using sonic or ultra-sonic sounds waves to heat and cool a tube.
You have a metal tube blocked off at each end and with a series of flat fins inside each end of the tube.
You stick one end in a fire and the other end drops below freezing just from sound waves traveling up and down the tube.
Maybe someone can explain this better than me, it was on Tomorrow's World BBC program over 25 years ago I think.
thermoacoustic freezer:
http://www.aip.org/dbis/stories/2004/14171.html
So the heat that GK is seeing could be Thermoacoustic.
The PVC tape forms the tube and the input coils form a compressed region/constriction in the control coil.
So sound waves travel around the air gap between the control coil windings and when they hit a constriction you get heating on one side and cooling on the other.
Or you get heating on the perimeter of the coil and cooling on the inside.
It all seems to fit.
Regards
Rob
Dave,
I can not see how a "rotating magnetic field" is generated by GK. This is a topic dear to me! There is a separate thread I am trying to revive about this.
AM
Perhaps I wasn't clear!
I agree with what you are saying, like phase motors, the TPU doesnt have a real rotating field. You can only get that by rotating a real magnet!
All we are doing is turning certain coils on and off at different times and compass can ride this effect making it appear to have a rotating field, but thats just a visual illusion.
So, I am not sure how this gyroscopic effect can appear, something unknown must be going on, which can only be a good sign?!
D.
...Archimedes is reputed to have used powerful lodestones to pull the nails out of enemy ships thus sinking them.
I suppose that even the strongest magnets today cannot do this (except maybe using strong magnetic fields produced by explosive devices???) and therefore the story is very probably wrong.. or did Archimedes use some unknown method???
In 1600 William Gilbert wrote:
"In follies and fables do philosophers of the vulgar sort take delight; and with such like do they cram readers a-hungered for things obtruse, and every ignorant gaper for nonsense.
But when the nature of the lodestone shall have been by our labours and experiments tested, then will the hidden and recondite but real causes of this great effect be brought forward, proven , demonstrated...and the foundations of a grand magnetic science being laid will appear anew, so that high intellect may no more be deluded by vain opinions"
T
@CTG,
Can you email me re My request to you via PM the other day, I am now unable to access. I received no email.
The "gyroscopic" effect felt is probably just caused by the vibration of the ring and the effect of the field on your hand.
RMF and REF can both be created with fields.
GK - faster switches, or try speed up circuit on your transistors - see MOSFET info in "Pulser's only" section.
There are many approaches to take in this endeavor. I urge everyone to review the data and concepts presented and create your own ring. Replication is ok at first, but you should strive to develop your own version.
Keep notes, thoughts you have today will not come back tomorrow...
Quote from: Grumpy on January 06, 2007, 09:40:34 AM
Replication is ok at first, but you should strive to develop your own version.
Keep notes, thoughts you have today will not come back tomorrow...
Example: "Note: use a magnet and give it enough time to do it's job."
GK: I am curious. I assume that your magnet does stick to your coil, attracted by the ferrite cores, when un-powered, no? If so, does the magnet behave in the same way, will it stick to the TPU, while it is powered and running? I assume not. What have you observed?
"I'm Curiosity Cosby. I'm curious you see, Roo-deeee." -A House of Cosby's ;D
On Microwaves,
I broght home a microwave test unit that is used in the cellphone industry to deturmine if there were any dangers of microwave radiation from my devise. As it turns out there are some, it is reading 0.03Mw In highly complicated terms. that is just about Zilch/nada. Most microwave ovens are in the 5 Mw range for leakage
That is not to say that the coils that you may be useing are safe by any means. only that the coils I am useing do not seem to be doing anything dangerous with respect to microwaves. When i increase the input wattage i will make sure that the devise is shealded. :o
"Winding coils just for the kick of it"
Moab.
I have expereinced a setback on finishing my latest TPU, It appears that the way i made the collector will not allow the collector wire to move enough when I try to bend it into a circle.
I now have to fix this so I will need to rewind the control coils, ugh! Well I will be very busy today, I had to run out to the store today to get a few more supplies. Back to work! I will get this up and running this weekend!
OL
Quote from: starcruiser on January 06, 2007, 11:40:46 AM
I have expereinced a setback on finishing my latest TPU, It appears that the way i made the collector will not allow the collector wire to move enough when I try to bend it into a circle.
I now have to fix this so I will need to rewind the control coils, ugh! Well I will be very busy today, I had to run out to the store today to get a few more supplies. Back to work! I will get this up and running this weekend!
Oh, snap! >:(
I was thinking this might happen when I saw your photos. ::)
Try lightly greasing up a long rod, ooh my, (about 5~10mm diameter,) and wrapping it with your core coils. When you are done wrapping, slide out your rod and call a cab. :D
This should give you enough room to bend.
Also, you realize that the core wires on the outer edge need to be longer than the core wires on the inner edge. Unless they all need to be the same length; then deal with the V-shape formed by the cut wire ends.
Hope this helps. Sorry I did not mention it when I thought about it. I assumed that you had this detail covered. I'm just a newbie. :-[
Not necessarily microwaves. Since you will all be playing with many different frequency's and combinations of those frequency's you should build a
grounded Faraday cage.
Some of you will hit on frequency's that will project a radar image and beyond .This will bring an investigation on.
You might also hit on frequency's that will disrupt the cell structure that make up the human brain and body.
I urge all of you to treat this experiment with respect and take any safety measure necessary.
Perhaps now would be a good time to look into safe, or even beneficial, frequency ranges. Grumpy posted something on this earlier in another topic:
Quote from: Grumpy on December 06, 2006, 07:14:31 PM
* 5 Hz: Alleged sphincter resonance (mechanical)(not good)
* 7 Hz: Mass aggregate frequency (can deaggregate matter), alleged to
resonate and rupture organs at excessive intensity
* 7.5 Hz: (?) Earth magnetic field frequency, useful theta (brain)
waves frequency
* 7.83 Hz: Earth resonance frequency
* 13 Hz: Alleged sphincter resonance (mechanical)(not good)
* 46.98 Hz (use with 62.64 and 70.47) Useful for weird effects
* 62.64 Hz (use with 46.98 and 70.47) Useful for weird effects
* 70.47 Hz (use with 46.98 and 62.64) Useful for weird effects
* 305 Hz: Rife frequency to kill Lyme disease
* 312 Hz: Rife frequency to kill Lyme disease
* 345 Hz: Rife frequency to kill Lyme disease
* 432 Hz: Rife frequency to kill Lyme disease
* 620 Hz: Keely Frequency (use with 630 and 12000)
* 630 Hz: Keely Frequency (use with 620 and 12000)
* 864 Hz: Main Rife frequency to kill Lyme disease
* 2000 Hz: Commonly used Rife frequency
* 2000 Hz (plus a small amount): Alleged to cure a cancer
* 2025 Hz: Proton precession/water resonance
* 3000 Hz: (approximate) Mentioned as a Rife frequency
* 5000 Hz: Commonly used Rife frequency
* 7270 Hz: Commonly used Rife frequency
* 7870 Hz: Commonly used Rife frequency
* 8000 Hz: Commonly used Rife frequency
* 10000 Hz: Commonly used Rife frequency
* 12000 Hz: Keely Frequency (use with 620 and 630)
* 38000-40000 Hz: Magic window
* 42800 Hz: Aetheric dissociation/water resonance (water -> aetheric
force)
* 150-160 kHz: Magic window
* 180 KHz: Ferromagnetism
* 1.1-1.3 MHz: Magic window
* 388 MHz: Alleged to cause damage/disruption of humans
* 488 MHz: Same as 388 MHz, but I think it was a mistake, and 388 was
meant
* 1.057 GHz: Magic window
* 2.450 GHz: Standard microwave oven frequency, but no resonance
* Somewhere in the Infrared: Magic window
* The life energy frequency (in the near ultraviolet): Magic window
Others:
172,500 Hz
500 KHz
@5.5 GHz
Rife?... http://www.medicaltruth.com/rife/elecpath.htm (http://www.medicaltruth.com/rife/elecpath.htm)
the green garden wire has a coat. I believe the wire it is iron. Chinese co. cant find out. If it is steel then I am glad because the results would have been greater.
I am going to measurement and then I am going to Mosfets next. I was told to shield first. In order for that I need to consolidate the wiring for smaller packaging. It is necessary for portability.
4 segmented feedback thing was an instruction I was following from Otto. Doesn't make a diff. just connect them in series.
The mosfet gives faster on time. Higher freq is not the goal here. It just diff results. But the low freqs are where is at. Just fast on time. I posted this rocket science before. You are bashing the electrons faster than they are willing to change. The polarization stress is what we want not the alignment.
My test with placing the ndbmags and grabing the ring, ooh new term, I like it!, showed me a tremendous amout of energy in the coil. The magnets shook at a rate that did not match up to what I was pulsing in at it was strong!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!. The speed at which the heat shot up when the kicks sync up is another thing that has not been experienced elsewhere. You can feel it rise immediately. And that is a very dangerous field generated. And here is the kicker: the bipolars were'nt hot, nor any of the surrounding circuitry or cabling. No way, you say? Well Yahweh cool. I am the grabbing the ring and tweaking the freqs. So if anybody hasn't done this then be still, wind it up and give it a try. You'll see.
@starcruiser, my suggestion is copy what I did. It produces results that immediately showed up. Nothing mysterious. You saw my list post of all the effects that everybody at one time were trying to think about without trying them. The same brain work has arose again. Remember, that list of results were scattered before and this TPU ring achieved them all. I like your posts and you should easly be #2 ringer.
@All,
I posted my results. I posted who I got the pieces and parts from. I posted in plain english my configuration. And the real results were?
The traffic to this sight shot through the roof. It was heard around the world for a day and half. The majority of the time you couldn't get in. Now how much do think that is worth? The big web boys can only dream about that kind of barrage! New members showed up ready to get on board. I say 'Welcome to you '. Previous members have seen the possibility and are winding. It's all pretty plain. Like Marco and CTGlabs, we caused shitstorms of unmeasurable quality.
@Stefan,
I got 2 more storm postings coming. You want them? You think your ads can handle it?
If not I can go back to the other 2 secure sights.
I posted the way did not only show TPU specs but to keep a grasp on reality. I became 'Enemy of state' in one posting. I wanted to document the rise to godmode and the emotionally depriving decent back to humility. I still have a tremendous headache. I've been here before at other times. When I felt the TPU heat up that fast the first time I shouted victory to sky so loud I almost blew my lungs through my chest. My next place is enjoyment on getting others here and then watching them fill their shorts. I need some buddies here. We all been drug through the mud with small results so far. So ya'll get on board.
yeh, yeh, yeh measurements next, but safety first.
I achieved another life long dream of incredible magnitude for such a time as this. Can you tell I am resting?
And this place for any of us is where the true support is needed. I am still but a man in god clothing. LOL.
--giantkiller.
Quote from: giantkiller on January 05, 2007, 02:44:06 PM
Quote from: HMM on January 04, 2007, 10:16:26 PM
I was also given the recommendation to build a aluminum screen shielding cage with a microwave door screen on top.
if tpu in cage, how get energy? ???
if does work, must turn off tpu. then open door. then feel heat with hand.
i use remote switch. get exercise. :)
your tpu in cage not work i bet.
me bored. :(
when scope come in mail? ???
maybe workday morning next week.
weekend lost. me angry! >:(
Quote from: giantkiller on January 06, 2007, 01:19:59 PM
@starcruiser, my suggestion is copy what I did. It produces results that immediately showed up. Nothing mysterious. You saw my list post of all the effects that everybody at one time were trying to think about without trying them. The same brain work has arose again. Remember, that list of results were scattered before and this TPU ring achieved them all. I like your posts and you should easly be #2 ringer.
@All,
I posted my results. I posted who I got the pieces and parts from. I posted in plain english my configuration. And the real results were?
The traffic to this sight shot through the roof. It was heard around the world for a day and half. The majority of the time you couldn't get in. Now how much do think that is worth? The big web boys can only dream about that kind of barrage! New members showed up ready to get on board. I say 'Welcome to you '. Previous members have seen the possibility and are winding. It's all pretty plain. Like Marco and CTGlabs, we caused shitstorms of unmeasurable quality.
@Stefan,
I got 2 more storm postings coming. You want them? You think your ads can handle it?
If not I can go back to the other 2 secure sights.
I posted the way did not only show TPU specs but to keep a grasp on reality. I became 'Enemy of state' in one posting. I wanted to document the rise to godmode and the emotionally depriving decent back to humility. I still have a tremendous headache. I've been here before at other times. When I felt the TPU heat up that fast the first time I shouted victory to sky so loud I almost blew my lungs through my chest. My next place is enjoyment on getting others here and then watching them fill their shorts. I need some buddies here. We all been drug through the mud with small results so far. So ya'll get on board.
yeh, yeh, yeh measurements next, but safety first.
I achieved another life long dream of incredible magnitude for such a time as this. Can you tell I am resting?
And this place for any of us is where the true support is needed. I am still but a man in god clothing. LOL.
--giantkiller.
GK,
In your last post you said you were going to buy some material to shield yourself.
I have not seen anything else with regards your results yet. Did you put a load on your coil like a light bulb? If have done any tests of this nature there are no results showing here. Where did you post?
Are there any pictures of your setup?
How large are the magnets you use? You did mention the magnets had to be inside the ring. Any particular position?
Remember the party is not over till the fat lady sings.
Regards
AM
GK, if it's steel, it will be a harder but most notably it will look like steel.
Where as iron is black/dark grey and softer.
How are the gyroscopic forces?
Have they got stronger with the new power supply?
The magnabuzz mags ads on this page are the ones I use. In or out it doesn't matter. Don't touch the ring but if you pull ndbmags away slightly the pull and the shakes get very pronounced.
My lithium ion suite isn't back from the de-ionizers yet. Had a nasty burn hole. LOL.
The materials are for a cage. The coil has to be reconfigured down to a portable size.
I am approching these 2 issues first and foremost. I will not change my plan. Safety first.
I used my right to hold the ring for testing. Yesterday I had pain at the optic nerve of the left eye. Today I a headache at the frontal lobes. Coincidence? yeah just like the rocket that fell out the sky over Denver when I turned on my improved TPU#4. Not LOL!
Most of the effects need to be measured by others before they believe or understand. I agree. But I also know that the kicks are indesputable from where I am. I zapped my hand repeatedly. I think that satifies the measurement quota in my world. You gotta feel it or hear it. It goes snap, Snap, snap!
I am going to say again. Copy the TPU and adjust the freqs from 0 to 1k. That is the real result. I can't quantify all the combos here. Maybe that is the difference, I am not an armchair ringer. I saw, I built, I played, I believe, and then they come. At anytime I can reach over and turn it on. Snap, snap, snap, snap or vwoohoomp,vwoohoomp,vwoohoomp just depends on the window freq with to 2 higher freqs inside smacking against each other variably. There are many more sound combinations. But the vwoohoomp was the way coolest. It is like a dangerous synthesizer. We can talk music all day long. But I got the instrument that plays to change history. I will continue to talk like this forever. Any other way is like pissing in the wind. And regardless of the provable, measurable, quantifiable effects, there were posters that popped up immediately and didn't want any explainations or measurements. They immediately were concerned with my safety! and that is all the proof I need to stay in godmode with this device. No vanity here. I have shared what I did. Now I make it safer, to play some, to get to the next set of results. I am playing kick the can while others sit on the porch and wish they were young again? Only those that take risks can enjoy the fruits of trying.
Sounds pretty snobby doesn't it? Build you own and get some of this glory while you play.
It takes more to tell a blind man the color orange than to teach him to eat one.
Here is a simple challenge: We will see come Monday who is built. Changes can be made afterwards. But you can't re-arrange the furniture with the lights out. I got 3 TPUs in the graveyard. So what. Total $300.00us + 100 days = 1 Ring and a crossover into a new reality.
Now I gotta get back to matters at hand.
And above all! Thank you Steven Mark, Otto, Marco, c0mster, Pese, Grumpy, Starcruiser! Your efforts are very much appreciated in my life and you've kept me safe. 8)
--giantkiller. Get built and get aware! ;)
Here some simple math that has been bothering for months.
On the SM4 & 6 there could be a nine volt bat with an inverter. I showed everybody my little package that was very close in size to the 9v bat and the lumps on the ring. Doesn't need to be proved. When you look at the SM17 you see some controls inside and there could be a battery pack. But what is important is the physical ring diam increase compared to the control size compared to the output voltage. So what I am proposing is that eventually the diam is large enough to gather from the surronding environment and that will create huge amounts of power. Just think what a 15 foot to 30 foot ring could do?
--giantkiller.
GK,
I think Dave and Turbo deserve thanks too.
With regards saftey, you can always nail your TPU to the table. Also keep physically away from the TPU. I am one of those who believes lukimea is caused by radiation.
Regards
AM
Quote from: AhuraMazda on January 06, 2007, 04:03:32 PM
GK,
I think Dave and Turbo deserve thanks too.
With regards saftey, you can always nail your TPU to the table. Also keep physically away from the TPU. I am one of those who believes lukimea is caused by radiation.
Regards
AM
Turbo was in the list, sorry dave. Included.
I remember back in October the express warning given by SM about a tuned ring behaving as a bomb if the freqs got just close enough to start a runaway syndrome. It can happen very fast. The kill switch is integral next. After I experienced how fast the coil heated up and the rest of the circut did not! I knew I had found it. After I posted, I was personally given a safety warning. I will not take shortcuts. I have 2 very fine, show trained Welsh Corgis and I will not jepeordize them.
I am taking no chances. The next steps are way beyond the talk. They are real. I want to be in control.
I should add about the gyroscopy. When I had the window freqs set and got the vwoohoomp noise. With the mags in place I got jerks. Again not the same speed as the pulses or the mags. And with that field strength, when you move the ring i could feel the jerking. Let me add though that I didn't have but 2 inches of space. That is why I reconfiguring for portability. I am also replacing the pcb pots. They don't hold their positions very in a fine tuning need. Hence the variations of everything. Blah. Total crap. The wiping was like a gravel road. If one needs 0.xxx of a change then pots first, crystals later.
I really need to get away from these metals. The results are crap. I want gold everything and high precision milspec clocks.
But my days of grabbing the ring are over. I will advance in a more deterministic manner.
--giantkiller.
This is a status call.
Is anybody still winding or are there any questions.
Figured I'd keep this public so others can gain insight into situations.
And think about this: The day I posted, access to OU became bottlenecked with traffic. Guess what happens when #2 post his results?
@Stefan,
could you possibly post the traffic counts for this week? I'd like to record that in my resume. Tnx.
--giantkiller.
GK,
Still winding, ugh....
I might be done tonight but we will see
Quote from: starcruiser on January 06, 2007, 05:34:14 PM
GK,
Still winding, ugh....
I might be done tonight but we will see
That is good.
When I was doing the mag wire part I would take it to work and during lunch sit there like a little old lady knitting.
Mag wire tip: use a propane torch and just scorch the ends. Then wipe off with emery cloth. For terminal block connection use a piece of stripped 22 gauge and wrap a couple turns of the mag around it and solder. Then you got a sturdy connection. I got 24 of em.
I have 3 of my terminal blocks folded back to the ring and attached. Now I am just shortening jumpers. It is going to look very concise. Just like I wanted. I wound it with all leads going out for total configurability. Now that I got what I need it comes back to haunt me. I just of something. Previous TPUS that had the leads on the inside never ran fully. oh well, we learn.
Good status, but don't hurry unless you are really excited. Then I can't stop ya. tnx.
GK,
As the control coils are connect as the Tesla patent, where are you putting the 3 frequencys? Not in to separate coils as they are connected together?
So is it all 3 frequencies into the same coil at once or is it a different frequency "per TPU layer"?
Regards,
Dave.
Only GK can answer this for sure of course, but if he followed Otto's diagram then he had a different freq into each layer.
GK,
Also, what is the voltage applied to the coils?
AM
Per layer for freq input seperate 555s or any combo. This will blow your minds. I just flipped things all over the layer inputs and I kept getting results.
final feedback coil connection to +12. so you have signal in to +12 out.
So you can see the basically you three inputs joining somewhere then 1 output to +12v.
So dave, it like I posted months ago the TPU is actually multiple comingled Tesla coils in series and cross coupled (weaved/braided). I sure am Glad Otto figured the jumpers. I didn't have the time for the combinations.
Clear? I am here healing my head.
--giantkiller. Let me know. The world watches and waits.
Thanks GK,
Just wondering, what happens if you turn your TPU upside down, does the heating disappear?
Are you able to confirm your power input? Tried any loads yet?
If the TPU takes energy from the enviroment and you shield it, then it probably wont work anymore!
Dave.
Quote from: CTG Labs on January 06, 2007, 06:34:46 PM
Thanks GK,
Just wondering, what happens if you turn your TPU upside down, does the heating disappear?
Are you able to confirm your power input? Tried any loads yet?
If the TPU takes energy from the enviroment and you shield it, then it probably wont work anymore!
Dave.
My first pulsing was a goofy hookup. I saw results and turned it over and it still ran. The shielding will prove some result set. First I finish up shortening the jumps, then I build shield, then I test the compass again. I saw the compass lock to south but didn't turn the ring to see if the south pole stayed. The tests are way simple to when you are safe and have a powered ring.
--giantkiller. This is incredibly simply...
Hi GK,Otto,
well done!!
It would seem that you guys have the control and feedback windings interacting. something that is of major signicance. As to the iron wire, it may be why the frequencies are so low, but it does prove the interaction that will releases the catalyst. I would guess that the power may be absorbed by the iron.In any case a wonderfull step foward and thank you for sharing openly.
I just poured a glass of quality beer ... have one too!
And get some rest!
I would hope that a comment may be following in a few days or so.
A giant leap foward in any case.
I am gald that you are restating the warnings.
GK...you should start another thread.
It does not belong in this one ay?
It is my assumption that you will need to raise the frequencies substantially and use copper wire in the collectors. It is also important to use clean frequency. as you will have difficulty controlling the reaction without it.My experiments have been halted by building tube amplifiers ..they are almost done,as is my large coil 15" in diamater.
I am not saying that iron wire wont give power, its is just that Steven has said lamp wire as the collector. There may be many mistakes....lets make them..carefully.
Stage 1......at last!.....gone are the doubters and the rubbish they bring.
on a slightly sour note..Stefan... if its ok to tell GK to take his nice cartoons away...could you please put the banners away too?....we need the speed..just this area..It takes a long time to get any where here ...there aint banner clickers here I would bet.
Lindsay Mannix
i did read somewhere it doesn't work in a cage.
T
Hi guys,
I'm part of the 'undercover' guys reading around this forum topic, the kind of guy who never talks but read it once every day. I must say I do not understand the half of most of what you guys talk about but, hey, It's fun anyway.
It makes me remember Dallas. :D
Every day there's some news about the holy grail until Bobby decides not to tell the truth :D .
Humans are so funny sometimes. This forum don't need special effects, just watch and have a nice time ^^
WOW! to mutch talking, now I've been too much exposed to the people, it's time to wear my spy dress again and hide myself behind my mute identity.
Have fun!
The ZeR
Lindsay,
Where have you been hiding? Been awhile since we heard from you. Nice to hear from ya
Hi GK,
Quickie question for you. How did you connect your transistors to your 555 IC's? I just made a trip to the electronics store and a grabbed a bunch of supplies to build the control circuit, including 4 IRF840's that Otto used for his tests. Are there any diagrams I could grab quickly for the pulse circuit?
God Bless,
Jason O
Well, "lamp wire" could be anything. There are lamp wires made of Nickel plated strands. Of course Nickel is ferro-magnetic.
@GK,
Yes you should start a new thread.
AM
Quote from: Jdo300 on January 06, 2007, 07:38:59 PM
Hi GK,
Quickie question for you. How did you connect your transistors to your 555 IC's? I just made a trip to the electronics store and a grabbed a bunch of supplies to build the control circuit, including 4 IRF840's that Otto used for his tests. Are there any diagrams I could grab quickly for the pulse circuit?
God Bless,
Jason O
555 output to 100 ohms to the tip41b base, emitter to ground, then the collector to one of the coil freq connections. Otto put 12ohms but I use 2 parallel 10ohm-10 watt for 5 ohms on the collectors.
Simple?
--giantkiller. Sorry about latency.
@GK,
In one of his German posts Otto removed the (collector) resistors all together. Can a Geman speaker/Otto please verify.
AM
Quote555 output to 100 ohms to the tip41b base, emitter to ground, then the collector to one of the coil freq connections. Otto put 12ohms but I use 2 parallel 10ohm-10 watt for 5 ohms on the collectors.
Simple?
--giantkiller. Sorry about latency.
No Problem. Thanks for the clarification. So then I'm assuing that the + marked on Otto's diagram is where the feedback coil connects to the positive side of the DC supply?
God Bless,
Jason O
Here is the pic of the reconfig of the larger wires. I still have to harness up the smaller wires. That is later. I got to the smaller footprint. Turned it on and it still heats up. The footprint is less noisy as far as rattling goes. So I put in the magnabuzzes inside. I redid the compass test and the whole loop is opposite the earth.
Now this was unshielded. I'm sorry. So I left the freqs wide off. I draw 3a from the suppply and the coil sits at 2.9a. So as far as conventional theory goes no OU. But when the ring is shielded we can play with the tuning further.
So my list is:
shielding, pots, mosfets. That will put me at a stopping place on this TPU, maybe. Or who knows, I can add the crystal clocks to close down the drift. Starcruiser is going to add .47uf caps through out. I can do this too. But SM, Lindsay, and I know and have seen when the harmonics get real close it gets dangerous. I did it the dangerous by grabbing the ring. But man you can feel the sweet spot hit. Probably my flesh cooking, eh?
Anyway, safety is next. Time to get my badass off the grille. I think I am done.
This TPU came from another experiment and it was able to migrate to the TPU#4-b session. Each time I change something on it I can see new things. Before Ottos diag I didn't know this thing would cook, or shake mags, or sing. I just wanted to see harmonics to get kicks. Well now we can put those issues to rest because now its a given. In fact the warning is out that the ring is dangerous. Pretty good leap, eh? With other team members crankin' up, the new blood and experience should shed alot more to this. Right now this platform is a good leap for verification of achievement of previous struggles and we can ask greater questions and try greater things.
I am still pleased with the freak wave harmonics going on. Too bad they are dangerous. It took alot to get here only to be cautious. LOL.
A question I have is 'What would me adding my own thread do?' Just a new start for Monday? And what would I call it? 'When giants fall!' I almost talked myself into it. Let me know what you all think.
My vote is "I don't click the ads".
Hi Lindsay.
--giantkiller. I am around.
p.s. I am quite pleased with today's goings on.
Quote from: Jdo300 on January 06, 2007, 09:37:36 PM
Quote555 output to 100 ohms to the tip41b base, emitter to ground, then the collector to one of the coil freq connections. Otto put 12ohms but I use 2 parallel 10ohm-10 watt for 5 ohms on the collectors.
Simple?
--giantkiller. Sorry about latency.
No Problem. Thanks for the clarification. So then I'm assuing that the + marked on Otto's diagram is where the feedback coil connects to the positive side of the DC supply?
God Bless,
Jason O
yes. straight to it.
"One Ring to rule them all, One Ring to find them,
One Ring to bring them all and in the darkness bind them."
"My precious"...
OK, another question about the 555 tmer. What values are you using for R1 and R2? I think I heard somewhere that a 200KOhm (multiturn) pot was used but for which value and what resistor would be used for the second R value?
God Bless,
Jason O
put 2 duty and freq. But if you use multiturn you will be one than the rest of us. Youll be able to get the freqs locked on the freak wave. and that leads to Microsecond runaway. SM warned about that. With cheap pots it is very hard to do. That is your warning.
OK?
@all, If you are heading this direction with construction. Build a cage! After I got the reconfig done here I just wanted to see is the wirring was right. So I turned it on. The headache came for about an hour. I only did a few minutes tests.
So right now I have the bottom cut out and duct taped to perf board and in place. I now start on the hood.
Mandatory!
Because should you go down the wrong path unsafe, you are going get jumped on. Lets not anger the visitors. Kapeesh? That's Italian for 'Be good or else' or Greek for 'The pitbulls bite hard'. Not sure.
--giantkiller.
I started the new thread 'Lords of the Ring'.
We be jumpin there now.
@ Mr. Mannix,
thanks Mr. Mannix for your nice words but....
To all,
How to say it?
I want this group to forgive me for my blindness, for being such an idiot, a stupid man a call me what you want. Im guilty!!! Hang me, shoot me!!!
Why??? Whats going on??
I will tell you!!
How many groups are there in the world trying to replicate the TPU??
How many people in the world are working on it??
Have you heard of any success??
NO!!!
Why Im blaming me??
Because Im 34 in electronics!!
Because I was a TV repairman like SM was!!
Because I know about tubes like SM knows!!
Because I was a lazy guy, to say it fine!!
I did NOT made my "Homework"
But now I can say I made my "Homework"!!!!!!
What do I mean:
Did you ever ask yourself what a wave is?? A kick is a wave too. A short one but a wave!!
Did you ever ask yourself why the TPU is 6" and not 7",8" or some other diameter.
Did you ever ask yourself how many windings we need for the control coils??
Did you ever ask yourself whats the diameter of the wires in our control coils??
Yes, I asked myself this questions and a lot more.
I gave this group the pictures how I connected all my coils. Thats ok. GK gave you something very important. You will see later.
But the point is: YOU WILL NOT BE ABLE TO HAVE A WORKING TPU!!!!
Why??
I want you all to make a little test as a prove for my words: it will take 5 minutes of your live!!
Wind over your 2 fingers 50 turns of wire. Doesnt matter the diameter of the wire.
Put this "coil" on your table. Connect one end to +12-13V. The other end connect to a drain of a MOSFET so you can pulse it. Put a wire through the coil and connect it to the end where your pulses are. Now you have one end free. Connect at this end a light bulb. The other end of the light bulb connect to the minus.
I will try to post the picture.
It is Sunday morning. Until at least 10 of you have give us the results I will not contact you!! Guys I know who of you have a scope!!! I will NOT answer your PMs, mails nothing until you made this little test!!
Otto
Ottos image can be found here:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,1872.msg21454.html#msg21454
Oh, Otto. So I thought this was a proof concept, but from your words it looks like a proof of no concept?
D.
This is what I suspect will be seen with the test, and with the bulb wire going outside the coil, not inside. Whether there is a difference with the wire running inside the coil remains to be seen from actual test results.
When the MOSFET is ON, there is a voltage division between the coil's series resistance (0.5 Ohm) and the ON resistance of the MOSFET.
When the MOSFET turns OFF, there is a cemf spike (100's of volts), and the voltage across the bulb goes to the full 12V because the MOSFET is no longer pulling down the voltage.
I have calculated the 50-turn coil inductance to be approximately 100uH, and the series resistance to be 0.5 Ohms. Also, the bulb resistance I set to 50 Ohms. These are approximate values, and changing any of these variables of course changes the peak voltage of the cemf spikes etc, but the picture remains more or less the same.
I used a frequency of 200Hz, 50% duty square wave.
If anyone would like to suggest any different values for any of the above, I'd be glad to re-run the simulation...it only takes a second.
Conclusion: There is nothing new or unusual about these results. Maybe the actual test will reveal something different.
Darren
Try it with 170 turns of 26AWG for the control. the rest can be the same.
Let us us know what you get please.
Starcruiser, I assume you're talking to me?
If you or someone could measure your coil resistance and inductance, that would be far easier and accurate. As a minimum, measure the resistance. Providing the coil length, radius, and how many layers, and turns per layer if possible would be great.
I hate guessing if I can avoid it. Give me numbers please.
In the mean time, I'll see if I can figure out an approximate value of inductance and resistance for this request.
Darren
OK, I did a quick and rough calculation of the new Inductance and Resistance with 176 turns of #26.
Inductance ~ 517uH
Resistance ~ 1.76 Ohms
Spikes now peak out at 240Vp.
Darren
zpe,
is that per control coil or layer?
All,
I have finally finsihed my next TPU, I am now going to wire it up and try a few minor tests. I will check the control coil inductances and inter coil capacitances.
@zpe,
I will let you know the actual readings I get.
Quote from: starcruiser on January 07, 2007, 07:51:13 PM
zpe,
is that per control coil or layer?
I just extended the first test. Schematic is the same, just different values for the inductance and resistance.
Again, this is only a simulation of Otto's proposed proof of "something" test with the 50 turns on your two fingers.
The most important thing to test in my mind, is to see if there is a difference in running the bulb wire
inside the coil, and
outside it.
If there is no difference between the two tests, then there is nothing new or unusual about this setup, i.e. no ou.
Darren
PS. @SC: I'll re-run the sim with your actual coil values.
Well ZPE, I am thinking that with 4 coils each 170 turns of 16AWG copper would provide a more realistic representation of an actual TPU layer, what do you think?
Just finished dinner so out to the shop to perform those tests. :)
Quote from: starcruiser on January 07, 2007, 08:43:31 PM
Well ZPE, I am thinking that with 4 coils each 170 turns of 16AWG copper would provide a more realistic representation of an actual TPU layer, what do you think?
Yes I agree. In my mind though, we still need to analyse and figure out what SM means by "several segments". We're walking in the dark if we don't.
Trifilar may be the answer.
Darren
Hello all, today is the 8.January 2007
Gearhead and ZPE figured it out, but you dont know whats going on. You are confused and thats good because your awake.
With my test I profed that our "TPUs" cant work as we hoped!! Hej guys, with this little coil 10 or 20 grams( its NOT important) heavy I got almost the same results as with my BIG 6" "TPU"!!!
My 40W,60W,100W light bulb was almost glowing like in my "TPU".
As I saw this, in a short moment I thouht f..k the TPU. But now I understand!! All our TPUs are a "developing tool". What I mean is we had to start with something. We had to see whats going on in the coils, how to connect them, mix the frequencies, see adding the kicks, see how various frequencies interacts one with another, to be short we had to LEARN.
Now, I have learned a lot. Its my (our) time to do concrete work. Yes, I have a theory and every day my theory is better and better and my test results gives my the confirmation that Im right.
You would ask if I have a "TPU". In this moment I have nothing exept my test results. Yesterday I had to remove all the windings from my old "TPU" and in this moment I have a lot of wires.Nothing more.
You see on top of my post a date. My D-day, to say so, is the 30.January 2007 because on this day a year ago all started here with Mr.Mannix first post. On this day I will have a working TPU or at least a much better "thing" as I had. Maybe it will not be self sustaining and hanging on my power supply but it will be much BETTER. How Im so sure??
I did my homework! I have test results!! I have facts! If they failed, then you call me a lyer!!!
Otto
Otto,
We all have to start somewhere. Thank-you for the update and good luck!
Tim
FROM OTTO:
Hello all,
Dave please post this on overunity.com because this is the basic understanding what we are doing. Thanks a lot.
In the picture you see a wave. Its not nice but a wave. A kick is a wave too. A quicky but a wave.
I will take water as an example. The question is: in what case can a wave exist?Huh?
The speed F1 of the wave MUST be greater then the speed F2 of the environment of this wave.
Ok, now the guys of you with colledge degrees will wright 1000 words, and the end result??? You have it.
Now let us look what will happen if this F1 and F2 speeds are the same. There cant be a wave!!!
otto
Its like a transformer - pull more current from the secondary, loose voltage from the secondary and pull more current from the primary. Can't have more power from secondary without more input to primary. Basic induction theory.
Prove by this experiment: wind a 1:1 bifilar coil using around 1mm ECW on a 2" x 2" spool - fill to rim of spool. Use an iron bolt as a core for the spool. Using an 8 amp or higher 12V or 24V DC PSU, pulse the primary with your 555 oscillator at say 500Hz. Measure the open circuit output voltage across a high voltage polarised cap connected directly across the secondary in series with a high voltage diode. Now put a 40 or 60W lamp directly across the secondary and pump up the input pulse current until the light glows and then measure the voltage across the lamp and the current through the lamp. Note the substantial heat build-up in the iron core by eddy currents.
You will see from this experiment that as the TPU is currently configured and built, it is a just a complicated and inneficient transformer.
Otto, I'm not too sure what you think you have found, it would be nice if you'd tell us, but if you don't have the answer as to how you can induce a net dc voltage in a wire, then I don't think you have the answer to how SM get's is power.
Inducing a net DC voltage in a closed wire is impossible by any conventional means.
Hello all,
again me. Ok if Im "Killing" your nerves I can be quiet. No problem.
Guys, you have always to ask WHY, and HOW. Like a little child.
I have another question: Its about the rotational magnetic field. Why do we need it??WHY??
We could make a coil or more or something and maybe get something out of this coils that would be maybe OU. I dont know.
Another thing: please dont look at me as Im your teacher. IM NOT!!!!
The only teacher here is Mr.Mannix and Mr.Steven Mark!! Not me. This is the cause for calling them "Mr.".
As Im only a human you will from time to time reed maybe crap from me. Ok, then please dont spit me. We are here to discuss.
Im only a little guy from a little country that wants to help you and of course me. I have no colledge degree, my english is a disaster but Im here. As I always say we are in the same "boat" and we have to make this wonderful invention to work.
Otto
Hallo Otto,
i think this:
QuoteNow let us look what will happen if this F1 and F2 speeds are the same. There cant be a wave!!!
I agree
QuoteThe speed F1 of the wave MUST be greater then the speed F2 of the environment of this wave
I don't agree. I think it is enough if there is a difference in speed (frequency !?) between F1 and F2. It does not matter which one is faster. A wave is created if there is a speed DIFFERENCE.
Quote...but Im here.
That is good.
Good luck man.
aether22,
to have overunity is impossible too. This is the world thinking.
To induce a net DC voltage in a closed wire is impossible by any conventional means.
Now lets discuss.
By conventional means!! Who is speaking here about conventional means. If I would see this TPU in this way I would never begin to built it. In a conventional means a TPU CAN NOT exist. Why? Because the TPU gets extra energy (this is what I think). From where? I dont want to discuss this because I dont know. Ok, some people calls it aether, the other calls it ...there are a lot of names!! There is no book from scientists where you can have an explanation about overunity or such stuff. Dont you see? The big scientists are afraid to have another fiew of things. They have big dollars and they need nothing more. We little people have to discover the big things that we need for our lives not the scientists.
Otto
No need to go on the defensive Otto, you meant well and remember -'nothing ventured nothing gained'.
We are all small men and as you rightly say - all in the same boat, in that none of us have all the answers and most of us really do not know at this point in time whether the TPU is in fact genuine and can be replicated. I wish I could say that I did have some of the knowledge needed to build a working TPU for the good of the world and be able to fly high in the 'Kick Ass Club'.
Sleep peaceful.
Otto wrote: -
As Im only a human you will from time to time reed maybe crap from me. Ok, then please dont spit me. We are here to discuss.
Im only a little guy from a little country that wants to help you and of course me. I have no colledge degree, my english is a disaster but Im here. As I always say we are in the same "boat" and we have to make this wonderful invention to work.
Quote from: otto on January 08, 2007, 07:39:05 AM
to have overunity is impossible too. This is the world thinking.
Otto,
This is my thinking too! Long time ago a clever man thought if I make paddles and fix them around a wheel and put in a river, I can have "free-energy"!
I believe this is what we are trying to do here. We know about the existence of cosmic flow. We just must work out how to make the paddle and the wheel.
AM
Yes! You cannot have over 100% efficiency, but you can have COP>1 ! The two are different!
D.
Otto
I thought the TPU idea was to create resonance and have external energy fill in the energy gaps between ecitation pulses to produce excesss energy. Giant Killer seems to have gotten his TPU to resonate. Have you noticed any resonance in your TPU?
Perhaps the incandescent light bulb is not a good measurement of electrical energy. We are assuming that the light produced is from resistance heating of the filament. Tesla showed that at higher frequencies the electrical energy would begin to flow at the surface of the resistance rather than through it. He had many florescent tubes that he used for light. Perhaps what we are seeing in the incandescent bulbs at higher voltage and frequencies is light more akin to florescent than incandescent.
Quote
To induce a net DC voltage in a closed wire is impossible by any conventional means.
Now lets discuss.
By conventional means!! Who is speaking here about conventional means. If I would see this TPU in this way I would never begin to built it. In a conventional means a TPU CAN NOT exist. Why? Because the TPU gets extra energy (this is what I think). From where? I dont want to discuss this because I dont know. Ok, some people calls it aether, the other calls it ...there are a lot of names!! There is no book from scientists where you can have an explanation about overunity or such stuff. Dont you see? The big scientists are afraid to have another fiew of things. They have big dollars and they need nothing more. We little people have to discover the big things that we need for our lives not the scientists.
Otto
I've done some work with Tesla's magnifying transformer. The output is direct current. If you consider the receiving part of the MT you have radiant pulses coupled to the center of a pancake coil and as the pulses move around and around the coil to the outer edge and ground DC appears in the secondary winding driven by this train of rotating pulses.
Guys,
I am thinking that we may want to look at the Markovich coil and see if this fits the facts as ew know them
Hi Carl,
Why not just build the Markovich device? We have the full plans for that don't we?
Regards,
D.
Hi all! ;D
Dave,
We have some info, would like to see if we can find more. Take a look at the TPU in the manner that layer one is the collector, layer two is the primary and layer three maybe the secondary.
Another variation would be that we have 2 collectors (top and bottom) and the primary is the center coil. The secondary would potentially be the feedback coil. This could be checked by just opening a TPU and flipping the middle coil over thus reversing the windings, the loop inside would be the copper tube. This design of course requires a single collector loop (copper), this can be a copper water pipe 1/2" or stranded copper wire (an auto audio power cable of say a 0 AWG).
Maybe Marco's new fabrication idea might help us out here. Just some thoughts, we should definitely look at possibily replicating this but of course start a new thread so as to not confuse things.
Marcovich coil collects from ambiant environment. Why collect, when you can generate and collect?
If interest, see first attachment:
For those who refuse to give up on the SM device, or a Radiant Energy Device in general:
I suggest again that everyone consider what radiant energy is - ask Turbo a few questions - not that he will respond since you guys accused him of faking his experiment, exposed his identity, etc. - or re-read his last few posts starting with the shockwave comments. Tesla patented four different ways to capture the radiant energy - tube version looks pretty bitchin' - not too hard to make your own tubes, but I suggest the wire approach first. The elevated plate version does work and a nice duplication is on the web somewhere - couldn't find it again, but it is basically a plate placed in the sunlight, a wire to the earth (grounded) and a capacitor between them.
Can't find it? See attachment 2:
For the more adventurous - homemade x-ray machine:
http://www.noah.org/science/x-ray/stong/
(X-rays are no joke.)
Also, look at the comments made by SM regarding TAO's comments on the operating principles of the device. SM stated that TAO was correct. Read it over and over - think your winding needs a little work?
See attachment 3:
Starcruiser - good post.
Grumpy, I for one am not giving up just yet, just looking for answers.
My question is "What if the TPU uses a signal source to simulate the ambient or better yet to act as a tuned antenna?
I will continue to work on my current design and provide feedback on my progress.
The TPU is source and collector.
Read the last two files that I just posted and read it again until you see it in your head.
Hi everyone,
I haven't been here in a while but it looks like the enthusiasm is high. People are getting some results that are interesting.
I want to add a bit of perspective if it helps anybody.
1) Coupling between coils at 90 degrees happens due to electrostatic induction. (proximity to a charged object induces charges on the surface of the other object)
2) High voltage in the control coils (the segment coils) is accomplished when the current is interupted and the magnetic field collapses rapidly. This is your ordinary phenomenon used in automobiles to generate the sparks for the sparkplugs.
3) Since the sector coils, when they are "fired" or the magnetic field collapses, have a high voltage develop on them, they induce charges on the collector coil, or the main coil inside the TPU (some of you use 3 of these)
Here's a concept of "squizing the hose" like SM used a while back.
4) You "fire" each segment right after the other and the charge is shifted around the torroid. The analogy was to fire each "cannon" in sequence, (this was SMs concept posted a while back)
Take a look at the diagram. I show a linear line (or collector wire) wraped with 4 sector (control) coils. If one end is hooked to the other we have a TPU.
Now we just fire each coil in sequence and the charge is transported along the control wire to the output.
The TPU is a current source, as opposed to a voltage source
With a current source, you have a certain amount of current that needs to flow.
So, to get the most power out of it you need a high resistance, that's why Light bulbs work the best.
Here's an equation:
P = I^2 R, where 'I' is the current, and 'R' the load resistance.
If 'I' is fixed at lets say 1 Amp, then its easy to see that we get more power if 'R' is large.
Hope this helps you guys.
Under certain conditions, orthogonal coils will couple. This is interesting even if not related to TPU. See first two attachements:
(not taking a shot at EMDevices)
Tesla mentioned four methods for collection of radiant energy in the attached patent, along with the necessary parameters for the collector. This is a good read for those who have not and I encourage you to read it.
So EM,
If we were to say use a frequency source that is PLL driven and used dividers to create harmonics of say a multiple of 2 and 3 and we use that to drive the coils. What is your thought on that concept?
We could make 3 or 4 outputs and drive the coils in a series configuration but using the next coils down, CW from it? This should provide the sequntial pulses in coils 1, 2, 3 one on each layer.
I am working on a PLL clock source (actaully want to, time is rather short right now) which I want to design to provide multiple harmonic outputs. Hopefully I can get to it this weekend.
a very short pulse will give you a freaking huge number of harmonics for free. The shorter the pulse - more harmonics. Like free beer, only you can't drink it! (hmm guess that analogy sucks - huh?)
Re-read the SM_TAO pdf that I posted.
Grumpy,
In your Markovich-pdf there is not all information we know about the device ( see http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,1854.0.html)
Maybe you can merge all into 1 pdf.
regards, dani
My controller is 8 channels, 2 quad sets. I ran it previously on a 20# collector TPU#3. Didn't see anything. Switched to 3 freqs 1 per collector and saw harmonics. Now with what I have that gives kicks I would hard pressed to go back. But, the next step is the replacement of the pots so I could do a little dance all over again. The drift and lack of clock precision is probably good and bad.
--giantkiller.
@starcruiser
QuoteWe could make 3 or 4 outputs and drive the coils in a series configuration but using the next coils down, CW from it?
yes, that would work I belive.Ã, There should be lots of ways to implement the mechanism to drive the coils in sequence.
Thanks for the attachments Grumpy, lots of good knowledge out there.
There is a mechanical implementation of this concept, and it has been patented by HydeÃ, (if I remember correctly)Ã, and others perhaps.
You rotate a cylinder that has sectors charged.
The stator around it is a coil.
The charge induced on the coil follows the rotor, so it moves, almost like a shadow that follows the object casting the shadow.Ã, This method produces a very unique type of current.Ã, A current that's formed by "dragging" charges along the surface!
By the way,Ã, I'm not implying that this way of operation is what giantkiller, otto and others are doing.Ã, They use square wave pulses which have lots of harmonics in the spectrum.Ã, These harmonics, if tuned just right, will resonate at a perticular resonant mode of this TPU, and voltage will build to high levels, and interesting effects will become amplifyed.
I'm starting to feel like we are getting this thing cornered.Ã, We've approached it from so many angles and we're zeroing in for the killÃ, ;)Ã,Â
Hi Everyone,
Let me take a stab at Otto's statement about the rotating field.
A while back I posted a patent for a magnetically-driven particle accelerator and ever since I have been thinking about how a magnetic field can be used to drive particles around in a wire. According to the patent I had (US3935503A1) they talk about the fact that this special accelerator can move
BOTH positive ions and negative ions and electrons in the
same direction! One thing that has been messing with my mind is understanding how the current output of the TPU could be DC if you are feeding in pulses into the control coils that could force electrons in either direction from the coil. The answer was simple... Magnetic Mirror/Bottle!! Check out the explanation on here:
http://farside.ph.utexas.edu/teaching/plasma/lectures/node21.html (http://farside.ph.utexas.edu/teaching/plasma/lectures/node21.html)
The magnetic bottle entrains both positive and negative charges so that they want to stay stuck in the part of the field that is least dense. In the case of this particle accelerator, either electric coils or a laser are used to create magnetic poles inside the accelerator loop (Collector coil ;D). If the laser is used, the beam is shot into the perimeter of the tube and as it bounces off of the circular wall, it forms a polygon and the number of sides of the polygon determine the number of magnetic poles or Bubbles if you want to call them that. This set of poles then rotates around inside the tube and the particles get stuck inside the bubbles and are accelerated along with the rotation!!
Now if that totally confused you, lol, then here is the analogy for the electric coils. (This is all in the patent by the way I'm not making this up). The coils are arranged like an AC N-pole motor and phase shifted waves are sent into it (in this case sine waves). The coils set up a rotating magnetic field that does the same thing that the laser did. It traps the particles (magnetic bottle) and shoves them around in a circle!
But wait there's more! If you don't like the whole particle accelerator idea, check out this link:
http://www.daviddarling.info/encyclopedia/F/Fermi_acceleration.html (http://www.daviddarling.info/encyclopedia/F/Fermi_acceleration.html)
This article talks about something called Fermi Acceleration. This could explain two effects of the TPU in one! But here is the punch line here:
QuoteA mechanism, first suggested by Enrico Fermi in 1949, to explain the origin of cosmic rays. It involves charged particles being reflected by the moving interstellar magnetic field and either gaining or losing energy, depending on whether the "magnetic mirror" is approaching or receding. In a typical environment, Fermi argued, the probability of a head-on collision is greater than a head-tail collision, so particles would, on average, be accelerated.
So magnetic "shock waves" can cause charged particles to be accelerated! Another side effect is that the kinetic energy of the particle is increased... that means that it heats up! But wait there's more! The idea of a "shock" wave suggests that pulses are the way to go for the TPU! So if one were to create a pulsed shock wave rotating magnetic field (more like a toroidal shockwave), then we could "kick" the particles around in the circle (Like cannons!) and accelerate them with each whack of the magnetic field. The magnetic mirror effect is what would reflect the particles in one direction. So as long as the field rotates one way, the electrons will too!
Just my two cents worth :)
God Bless,
Jason O
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Lawrence Berkeley National Labs (interesting place) info:
http://www.lbl.gov/Publications/75th/files/exhibit.html
<snip>
How a Cyclotron works:
The term ?cyclotron? was originally laboratory slang for ?magnetic resonance accelerator.? A cyclotron is composed of two semicircular electrodes called ?dees? because they are shaped like the letter ?D.? These dees are encased inside a vacuum chamber that is exposed to a powerful external magnetic field. The application of a voltage to the two dees creates an electric field in the gap between them. When ions (charged particles) are introduced into the center of the vacuum chamber, the magnetic field causes them to begin to move in a circular path. As the ions cross the gap between the dees and they are given an energy kick that causes them to accelerate. The ions cross this accelerating gap twice during each orbit. Because the strength of magnetic field never changes, the orbit of the ions widens each time they gain energy. The accelerating ions continue to spiral from the cyclotron chamber?s center until they reach their peak energy at the chamber?s outer edge. At that point, the energized ions are drawn out of the chamber by an oppositely charged extractor and formed into a target-bombarding beam. This demo model in which steel marbles are used to show how ions are accelerated in a cyclotron is the same one used by Ernest Lawrence in the display film.
<end snip>
Kent
The DC output is from the collected charge, the ripple from the oscillation added by SM.
Read the SM-TAO file, Turbo's explanation and the first page of the Tesla patent.
I'm not posting this stuff for my damn health!
Quote from: Grumpy on January 08, 2007, 10:00:02 PM
The DC output is from the collected charge, the ripple from the oscillation added by SM.
Read the SM-TAO file, Turbo's explanation and the first page of the Tesla patent.
I'm not posting this stuff for my damn health!
I should have at least posted and let you know. I have and am going to read it again to get deeper each time. I have a coil running so I have the time. I am ready to launch into the next step for this coil. I did post tonight's test. So I am seeing things again that others can only dream about. ;) I got kicks. Now I have to use them.
Thanks Grumpy. I downld them all, have em on my PDA, and printed em off, reading them.
I'll get back to ya.
--giantkiller
Hey you guys. I though maybe you would like to see some photo grabs I made of some of SMs' videos. Maybe this will put things into perspective. I have alot more closeups.
Hope it's not too many.
Wattsup
Thanks for the pix, some of these are the best yet and clear up a few mysteries. You say you have more?
Hopefully you can post them either here or in a repository for access. Great job. What did you use to clarify the images?
Vortex1
Quote from: otto on January 08, 2007, 07:13:40 AM
Hello all,
again me. Ok if Im "Killing" your nerves I can be quiet. No problem.
Guys, you have always to ask WHY, and HOW. Like a little child.
I have another question: Its about the rotational magnetic field. Why do we need it??WHY??
We could make a coil or more or something and maybe get something out of this coils that would be maybe OU. I dont know.
Another thing: please dont look at me as Im your teacher. IM NOT!!!!
The only teacher here is Mr.Mannix and Mr.Steven Mark!! Not me. This is the cause for calling them "Mr.".
As Im only a human you will from time to time reed maybe crap from me. Ok, then please dont spit me. We are here to discuss.
Im only a little guy from a little country that wants to help you and of course me. I have no colledge degree, my english is a disaster but Im here. As I always say we are in the same "boat" and we have to make this wonderful invention to work.
Otto
Hello Otto
I like your words. I like your thinking.
Sincerly regards,
Victor
Guys,
PLEASE INCLUDE AN OVERVOLTAGE CUTOUT IN YOUR EXPERIMENTS.
That is to cut off the source frequencies directly...like using a relay.
series components may fry short..be aware ..please
Series Fuse links as well ...
GK it will take a bit of time for others to get to your base.... Wait if you can..
Lindsay Mannix
Hi all,
In regards to Otto's query "I have another question: Its about the rotational magnetic field. Why do we need it??WHY??"
I'm no techie, but I think the rotating field hits the static field of the magnet. When their fields collide, a radiant energy event emits at 90 degrees, crossing and linking all three rings segments together.
I found a simple way to get a rotating field from reading on the EVgray forum. Go to this link:
http://www.rctoys.com/rc-products-catalog/RC-PARTS-SPEED-CONTROLLERS.html
"General:
A brushless motor controller or brushless ESC (Electronic Speed Control) is used to vary the speed of a brushless motor. These function as an interface between the motor and the battery. Controlled by the throttle signal from an RC receiver, the brushless ESC provides variable power to the motor allowing proportional speed adjustments. Unlike a brushed motor, power cannot be directly applied to a brushless motor. Instead, the speed control intelligently powers each phase of a brushless motor in sequence, causing it to rotate. Brushless speed controls have three motor wires, allowing them to connect to standard three phase brushless motors. A brushed speed control (with two motor wires) cannot be used to power a brushless motor."
Maybe we can forget power supplies and just get a small and cheap one of these and run it off a battery and vary the speed of the rotation plus some pulses from battery powered 555's
Just an idea. Who knows?
Tishatang
Well, as we want to post some nice pics, here is a couple...
Quote from: Victor on January 09, 2007, 03:29:40 AM
Quote from: otto on January 08, 2007, 07:13:40 AM
Hello all,
again me. Ok if Im "Killing" your nerves I can be quiet. No problem.
Guys, you have always to ask WHY, and HOW. Like a little child.
I have another question: Its about the rotational magnetic field. Why do we need it??WHY??
We could make a coil or more or something and maybe get something out of this coils that would be maybe OU. I dont know.
Another thing: please dont look at me as Im your teacher. IM NOT!!!!
The only teacher here is Mr.Mannix and Mr.Steven Mark!! Not me. This is the cause for calling them "Mr.".
As Im only a human you will from time to time reed maybe crap from me. Ok, then please dont spit me. We are here to discuss.
Im only a little guy from a little country that wants to help you and of course me. I have no colledge degree, my english is a disaster but Im here. As I always say we are in the same "boat" and we have to make this wonderful invention to work.
Otto
Hello Otto
I like your words. I like your thinking.
Sincerly regards,
Victor
Hello Sir,
Just as there are many here with different knowledges, there are many here with different languages and insights.
I welcome you to this search. We will not only survive, but we will conquer.
Do not falter in your steps to understand or achieve. And disregard the negative noise by the judgemental. Everyone has value and that is why I call
you sir!
--giantkiller. Enjoy the ride.
Quote from: Mannix on January 09, 2007, 05:07:24 AM
Guys,
PLEASE INCLUDE AN OVERVOLTAGE CUTOUT IN YOUR EXPERIMENTS.
That is to cut off the source frequencies directly...like using a relay.
series components may fry short..be aware ..please
Series Fuse links as well ...
GK it will take a bit of time for others to get to your base.... Wait if you can..
Lindsay Mannix
Yes sir. I hear and obey. This is why there is a great bit of levity on my posts. I am bored.
And thanks always for the messages and vote of confidence.
As always, Thank you, Steven Mark.
--giantkiller.
Quote from: CTG Labs on January 09, 2007, 07:32:29 AM
Well, as we want to post some nice pics, here is a couple...
*Shock* :o
Dave, do you have the whole video in this quality?
Or maybe some more close ups of excactly this device shown on the second picture?
It looks like the simplest version of SM device.
Kindly Regards, Markus
Quote from: wattsup on January 09, 2007, 12:52:55 AM
Hey you guys. I though maybe you would like to see some photo grabs I made of some of SMs' videos. Maybe this will put things into perspective. I have alot more closeups.
Hope it's not too many.
Looking at these pictures makes me think. SM would have hidden his real product so as not to give away his secret. What if the big round thing (TPU!!) which he cuts up later is just a load of camaflage and does nothing. The two toroids in the middle though remind me of the renerator (http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,1640.0.html).
@Gk,
SM must be lead plated. Note how he tosses his Working TPU's around with out any care or protection.
AM
Hi all,
GM, do you think that the red wire on the second pic. is a blocker? to stop the magnetism from the magnets and provoque a changing/neutral field before the next step or pulse? Is it bi-wire? (as in bifilar winding)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bifilar_coil
MEG Theory by Dave Squires
http://jnaudin.free.fr/meg/megdsqth.htm
Quote from: giantkiller on January 09, 2007, 08:04:21 AM
Hello Otto
I like your words. I like your thinking.
Sincerly regards,
Victor
Hello Sir,
Just as there are many here with different knowledges, there are many here with different languages and insights.
I welcome you to this search. We will not only survive, but we will conquer.
Do not falter in your steps to understand or achieve. And disregard the negative noise by the judgemental. Everyone has value and that is why I call
you sir!
--giantkiller. Enjoy the ride.
[/quote]
Hello giantkiller,
I am not sir. I am Victor. Thank you. I know english language just a little but... I understand.
Regards,
Victor
Quote from: Yamanashi Jr on January 09, 2007, 10:03:16 AM
Hi all,
GM, do you think that the red wire on the second pic. is a blocker? to stop the magnetism from the magnets and provoque a changing/neutral field before the next step or pulse? Is it bi-wire? (as in bifilar winding)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bifilar_coil
MEG Theory by Dave Squires
http://jnaudin.free.fr/meg/megdsqth.htm
I have heard many theories about how this device should work. My brain drives crazy by now and unfortunately I have actually no time for doing practical tests.
Without tests I really dont know how this baby should work. I support the theory of converting some kind of radiant energy into usable electrical energy. Maybe there is any secret relating to a 90 degree "induction" which perhaps prevent a magnetic backforce to the source or so...
Maybe it's an ordinary electromagnetic induction principe, but with smallelst pulses which perhaps also prevent any kind of repercussion to the source?
I am really overloaded without the ability for doing tests... I am not a good theoretician. :-)
And thats also the reason why I asked Dave for more detailled pictures. Maybe my subconscious can do some work with every additional piece of information while I sleep. ;-)
And hey, this device in picture 2 looks not so complicated like the 3-stacked TPU's which are preferred by some users. So my way would be to analyze the simplest of Stevens device and break down this thing to something more simpler which only proof the possibility for OU power generation.
Markus
GM,
Do you think that Steven Marks is a real figure? (no pun intendend)
Check this:
http://jnaudin.free.fr/meg/meg.htm
http://www.rense.com/general21/free.htm
check patent n. 6362718
http://www.freepatentsonline.com/6362718.pdf
What is going on?
Who's the Scientist?
Look at page 5/6 of the Patent... it's a TPU
Quote from: GM on January 09, 2007, 10:52:02 AM
I have heard many theories about how this device should work. My brain drives crazy by now and unfortunately I have actually no time for doing practical tests.
Without tests I really dont know how this baby should work. I support the theory of converting some kind of radiant energy into usable electrical energy. Maybe there is any secret relating to a 90 degree "induction" which perhaps prevent a magnetic backforce to the source or so...
Maybe it's an ordinary electromagnetic induction principe, but with smallelst pulses which perhaps also prevent any kind of repercussion to the source?
I am really overloaded without the ability for doing tests... I am not a good theoretician. :-)
And thats also the reason why I asked Dave for more detailled pictures. Maybe my subconscious can do some work with every additional piece of information while I sleep. ;-)
And hey, this device in picture 2 looks not so complicated like the 3-stacked TPU's which are preferred by some users. So my way would be to analyze the simplest of Stevens device and break down this thing to something more simpler which only proof the possibility for OU power generation.
Markus
Markus,
Don't let your eyes deceive you. Further every one has his own theory. given the situation, We must identify the energy source that we want to tap into then, work out how to achieve that. I don't know the answer but lots of theories of my own but I believe the solution is staring us right in the face.
AM
THe
Quote from: Yamanashi Jr on January 09, 2007, 11:22:41 AM
GM,
Do you think that Steven Marks is a real figure? (no pun intendend)
Check this:
http://jnaudin.free.fr/meg/meg.htm
http://www.rense.com/general21/free.htm
check patent n. 6362718
http://www.freepatentsonline.com/6362718.pdf
What is going on?
Who's the Scientist?
Look at page 5/6 of the Patent... it's a TPU
That one is the Tom Bearden MEG, possibly a similar concept but not yet proven.
Quote from: GM on January 09, 2007, 08:27:00 AM
Quote from: CTG Labs on January 09, 2007, 07:32:29 AM
Well, as we want to post some nice pics, here is a couple...
*Shock* :o
Dave, do you have the whole video in this quality?
Or maybe some more close ups of excactly this device shown on the second picture?
It looks like the simplest version of SM device.
Kindly Regards, Markus
i found this on another forum a while back.
Quote from: tomas on January 09, 2007, 08:15:41 PM
Quote from: GM on January 09, 2007, 08:27:00 AM
Quote from: CTG Labs on January 09, 2007, 07:32:29 AM
Well, as we want to post some nice pics, here is a couple...
*Shock* :o
Dave, do you have the whole video in this quality?
Or maybe some more close ups of excactly this device shown on the second picture?
It looks like the simplest version of SM device.
Kindly Regards, Markus
i found this on another forum a while back.
Great work! The pdf has all that I have seen since September on the TPU.
--giantkiller.
If you look at the SM photo's you will notice two large capacitors in the center, which probably feed the two center coils, which in turn send large Bemf spikes of short duration to the control coils. The collector then recharges the caps and the cycle repeats, maybe zener diodes route excess energy from the caps for output?
Damn I hate guessing, gotta get a ring going.
Here are a few more pics showing some other sides of the TPU
Hey,
Something new on the SM12. There are wires running around the whole coil on the table!
wassup wit dat?
--giantkiller.
Those are the ones that are plugged into the wall ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Hello all,
maybe something important maybe not.
Yesterday I was starting to wrap a new TPU. I took a plastic tube of 1cm diameter and 39cm long. The plastic tube is a hard plastic. To have a nice circuit a had to warm up this plastic tube and then form it to a circle. I didnt it. To be honest I was lazy!!
I wound 4 segments with 170-180 turns each segment. Then I formed this all to a form like a WATERDROP. The segments are connected as usual in the Tesla patent 390721. On one end of the coils are our pulses and on the other end the +12-13V/1A.
I have NO KOLLECTOR; ONLY CONTROL COILS.
Guys, I can tell you, if you want to make coffe the solution is here. I can guarantee you you can NOT hold this coil in your hand. Its soooo hot.
Now you will say its because 1A is in the coil. NO!! At 1A my coil can be warm but not sooo hot!!!
The segments have 10cm wires going out the coil where I can connect the segments together and this 10 cm are just a little warm!! My 1 MOSFET which pulses this thing is ice cold.
Now lets think: In a circle (round toroid as we all should have it) the particles moves at the same speed. In my waterdrop form the particles changes their speed because on the side where the diameter is greater the particles are slower then on the ends of my waterdrop. This speed difference causes the heat. This could NOT happen and did not haeppen in my round TPU.
Again:pulses 5V, 12-13V/1A from power supply, Frequency around 100Hz. I will try higher frequencies.
Maybe important, maybe not.
Otto
@gk
Check large9.jpg. Those wires go to the front of the unit where you connect the load. No wire or wires are leading off the base.
@all
Check large3.jpg. Is this baling wire core with two terminals exiting top?
I'd say the core was 1/2" thick by 4" high
Check large12.jpg with fuses. Are they going to the core baling wires?
Check the induction coils. Smack dab in the middle of the magnetic field.
Check the caps. Why so few caps? Why these caps? Where are they connected?
Caps make me think of start cap/run cap. Or it could be one cap per coil pair, two or three coil pairs.
Check the wires comming out of the bottom of the unit going to the center plastic box then going upwards through the induction coils then back to the top of the TPU. Is this the loop? Or is it reversed?
Sorry for so many photos but I thought you guys should have this.
-
Parts taken from February 14, 2006, SM to Lindsay
create several frequencies within the collector coil's circumference. The frequencies are directly related to the circumference of the collector coil. You can begin to collect the current and dissipate it with no need for amplification because the signal source also becomes the feed for the power source and has the natural tendency to run with gain. Important, you can never tune too closely to the exact frequencies of power conversion because the power received by the collector will instantly destroy it. We must deliberately tune little off the conversion frequencies in order to make it properly work. That is why the control units are so important. Without the control unit constantly monitoring the frequencies of operation and making the necessary changes to keep the whole thing off exact conversion frequency, then the unit would very quickly destroy it's self.
These directions from SM, are they being used in your tests???
hello to all,
when i saw the short spikes on the scope from GK i was thinking why we are not use it for ultrafast switching, if it is possible.
just my two cents
norbert
Quote from: otto on January 10, 2007, 01:22:16 AM
maybe something important maybe not.
Otto,
Any unusual behavior is important because we are not working with n exact science and are still discovering.
Please can you send pictures and drawing of your new coil. I know you can not post pictures here. Do it the usual way.
By the way, I had problems with accessing files when I first started using this site. I upgraded to firefox2 and the problems went away.
AM
Quote from: wattsup on January 09, 2007, 09:08:22 PM
Here are a few more pics showing some other sides of the TPU
cut8.jpg (large SM cross section): Does anyone else here see the difference between the profile aspect-ratio, shown in this picture, and the lower profile aspect ratio, about half, that one would get following the popular three-ring pattern?
If I was to take the three ring TPU design, (tested by otto, GK, and many others,) and cut it open I would expect to see an aspect ratio of about 3:1. It would be even lower than 3:1 with more outer jacket windings.
However, the profile aspect-ratio, shown in this picture looks about (6~7):1. I know the video quality is for sh!t but you do not need detail to see aspect ratio. Even the dark 'detail' in the middle 'band' of the profile has an aspect ratio of about (4~4.5):1.
Also, what are those three lighter 'bands' at the top and three lighter 'bands' at the bottom of the profile?
Perhaps we need six inner rings, three near the 'top,' three near the 'bottom', and separated by a large gap?
SM's design is the master pattern. I do not understand the discrepancy. Maybe I am wrong here because I have not yet built one. I just do not see cutting open the popular replication pattern here and seeing anything close to what we are seeing in this photo.
-still waiting for my scope...
Good catch on the aspect ratio's, Spherenot. Yes there seems to be a lot of empty space in the SM units as they are much taller, and wider with only a few visible turns in the collector.
There is much evidence that betrays the construction details of this unit.
Ref: Large17, Large18, Large27
Notice the paired wires (Litz and floppy white 4 in all) that are taped together exiting vertically from the back of the unit.
Two white larger diameter wires are taped to two litz wires. These are connected to one common mode choke.
This is repeated with the other two sets of taped wires, the other ends of the wires?
There may be more turns than shown in sketch.
Therefore this can possibly be a circuit closed upon itself, with the chokes at the ends for mixing harmonics yet keeping voltage potential separate.
There appear to be no other wires connected to these, making this a passive circuit isolated from the rest.
These wires appear to be the same type that were cut through in one video. (larger diameter floppy white and litz)
Notice the mounting tabs on both chokes. They were originally meant to be used for vertical or horizontal mounting to a chassis, probably surplus.
A good guess from the video evidence would be that no other wires connect to these chokes (no other wires in the center of the chokes.)
Note: Common mode chokes, which are typically used for line noise filtering, can also be used as very well matched 1:1 transformers.
I see no good use for these except for maintaining separation of voltage (isolation) between the Litz wires and the larger white wires as they could have been merely connected together. Is there then a reason for the use of these devices. Is this where the potential difference is isolated while allowing frequency mixing?
An alternate possibility is that the radiated A vector potential from these chokes is somehow utilized by the outer coils.
There are many clues in these vid captures. Study them carefully.
Quote from: Spherenot on January 10, 2007, 08:12:06 AM
cut8.jpg (large SM cross section): Does anyone else here see the difference between the profile aspect-ratio, shown in this picture, and the lower profile aspect ratio, about half, that one would get following the popular three-ring pattern?
If I was to take the three ring TPU design, (tested by otto, GK, and many others,) and cut it open I would expect to see an aspect ratio of about 3:1. It would be even lower than 3:1 with more outer jacket windings.
However, the profile aspect-ratio, shown in this picture looks about (6~7):1. I know the video quality is for sh!t but you do not need detail to see aspect ratio. Even the dark 'detail' in the middle 'band' of the profile has an aspect ratio of about (4~4.5):1.
Also, what are those three lighter 'bands' at the top and three lighter 'bands' at the bottom of the profile?
Perhaps we need six inner rings, three near the 'top,' three near the 'bottom', and separated by a large gap?
SM's design is the master pattern. I do not understand the discrepancy. Maybe I am wrong here because I have not yet built one. I just do not see cutting open the popular replication pattern here and seeing anything close to what we are seeing in this photo.
-still waiting for my scope...
@Spherenot
Tesla had three coils in some of his MT experiments. Perhaps in the small TPU each grouping of coils have different purposes. There might be some combinbation of transmitter coil, receiver coil, and feedback coil. The MT coils only need to be very loosely coupled. Likewise, in the larger unit a transmitter section with its associated coils in the bottom and the receiver section in the top.
Hi all,
Let me post this based on the pix (very good!) and the posts (most excellant!).
The cutaway shows 2 loop structures, 3 turns apiece(8 gauge audio, bifilar?), 1 above and 1 at bottom. A poster posted the coil going around the outside where the load is connect to. And the parts pattern is a pair of caps, and a pair of inductors on the center box. looks like maybe 2 oscillators? Do i see a resistor on top of the cap?
Just dreaming...
--giantkiller. ;)
The "transformer / Choke / toroidal wound elements" would behave as a High pass RC filter with a short time constant - a differentiator. So, with a square signal in - you get pulses out. Solid state Tesla coil builders use this idea.
Could also be part of a blocking oscillator (with positive feedback) like they do with vacuum tubes, but then you would have a sine wave and not pulse coming out.
Whichever, nice potting job in the center.
Oh, it's understood that one hell of a field exist in the center of the TPU if you recall SM's comments and the letters that were posted.
Not knocking the choke or any other ideas - just thinking out loud.
With the data at hand, your time would be better unitlized if you took the fledgling theory, decided a course of action, and start building.
Grumpy...good thoughts
What I was getting at is this: There are no other apparent connections to the chokes. The wires from the first choke go into the large 17" core and back out again and then connect to the second choke.
I am implying that this is some sort of parasitic resonator/absorber that has no other electrical connections to it. It is then passive being electrically driven by induction or it is used to drive the A vector of the chokes.
No visible electrical connection to an oscillator circuit. (unless the connection is made somewhere as a tap inside the black cork material.)
For a while I thought the connections were made through drilled holes in the black box, but the metal mounting brackets forced me to abandon that idea.
Take another look.
Can't even be sure that those wires connect to the chokes - could be smoke and mirrors - lots of other wires floating aroung. Could have just ran them through the chokes. The close-up of the chokes (can see the divider) in one view shows more than 4 wires. Also the magnet wire of the choke doesn't show any indication of a termination except, maybe, in the close-up.
Notice the fuse(s) on the side?
SM has used the terms oscillation and frequency several times - I know this is inconclusive.
Hey you guys.
The two inductors in the center are used to first start up the unit. Look at large22.jpg where SM is using a magnet in his right hand and lowers it close to an inductor. He is producing his initial starting pulses via the inductor, probably collecting the produced starter current in the cap or caps (could be start cap/ run cap). He then moves the magnet to the other inductor for a while (see large19.jpg and large 20.jpg) and bingo, the unit is pumping and raring to go. Yes the inductor seems to be off-the-shelf because they have two prefab terminal on them. I was thinking maybe for a doorbell type device.
Thomas put up a very good must read pdf on his post number 1357.
@gk
Maybe you could take the picture of the cutaway and add some arrows to show what you are talking about because I really can't see it. I tried getting better grabs but the cutting of the TPU was so badly videoed and there is really no part of the video that has any better resolution. This is a shame.
here, I'm putting up all the other grabs from the cutaway in case something may be seen more clearly by some.
On thing that really struck me is how the cut portion held together so well. You would expect that after a heavy round with a jigsaw, the cutaway edges would be badly cut, with tape torn off the edges, or some other type of damage, but no, the cut part held together. Weird.
Is it possible that the inductors are current sensing type. By passing the main current through the sensor centers, the circuit (below) knows the current level and adjusts the pulses accordingly. This could be how he controls the maximum current production of the unit, otherwise as he said, the TPU could burn up. This could also be how he starts the unit. Since the center wires have no current, the starting magnet induces a small current that the inductor senses and pulses the TPU accordingly. As the TPU starts producing current it then passes through the sensors and the circuit to maintian a maximum.
Have a look at SMTPU2.jpg, very simple design happening here. 4 winds going on north, south, east and west with magents between the windings, looks like one other coil but can't see it clearly.
Has no one managed to work out SM's shoe size yet?
I think this thread is dying.
AM
HI all,
I don't dont analysing the big one is a good idea! The big one is one of the very last models and has loads of extra control circuitry making it harder to back engineer. I think that it's human nature after seeing the small models and thinking wow they are so small and there is nothing to them, but still I cant work out how it works so I will default to something I can try and anaylse being the big one with all the extra parts! But this just makes it more complex on you!
D.
In the small toroid the top ring is bare of any electronics. The two standoffs between the rings are not just standoffs. They are much larger than they need to be for standoffs. I would say that they are magnets. Notice how the rings are cut to incorporate them. There are holes in the rings over the center of the standoff/magnets. These holes are in four places but there are only two magnets. What appears to be a large capacitor occupies a third position, and there seems to be some kind of green clip over the fourth. The fourth position appears to be otherwise empty. It looks like the original design had four magnets and that was reduced to two.
The large TPU has a flange at the bottom which is possibly analogous to the bare ring in the small TPU. It appears to have no wires in it. Is it merely a base or does it have something to do with the magnetic fields?
Magnets are the key, look at a transformer and how it works, you want to create that same field and apply it to a coil to produce your voltage.
Hi All,
Just a food for thought. I think some of the information in the forum are correct and some are misleading.
Here are some of it:
1. I think YES, the TPU require some frequencies to operate but not the way we interpreted it.
2. And YES (for the time being) we need input, but not to extend more than 3 or 6 volt and not more than 1 amp.
3. And YES, speed (frequency) is very important in the TPU.
4. And YES, I think there are core inside the TPU and the core could be anything i.e iron filling, ferrite, iron coil and etc.
5. I don't think so of the magnet play a major contribution in the power generation (at the moment). There are purpose for the magnet, but not directly to power.
6. I don't think so the TPU required a complex circuitry to fed it. But it still required some circuit to do the worked.
7. And I think the TPU is built simple but yet "tricky".
8. And for the big TPU i.e SM17, I think the outer ring is only an inverter (transformer) which is not the the power unit. The device inside the outer ring are the one who produced the wattage.
These are some of my observation and from what I understand after reading and from my own experiment.
I hope it is useful, but if not, sorry for the bandwidth waste ;) .
Regards,
Hi,
I don't have a lot of knowledge about EE. I spend just one year at EE class, so I got only some really basic understanding.
No matter what, I will try to sum up a bit on what I have red in this thread, and how I understand the working of the TPU. Maybe my limited knowledge could even be an advantage, cause I maybe look at the TPU more "unspoiled", if you know what I mean.
First of all, I can see that this thread is getting more and more about back engineering on the basis of pictures of different kinds of SM's TPU's. But this is not nessesarily a bad thing.
I think there is a natural way of thinking when refining and experimenting with a newly discovered "anomaly" of this nature.
(Come on, get to the point..)
Okay, now.... lets say that you have discovered this effect, whereby you can extract energy from the vacum (ZPE). You have figured out the concept, and have made a setup that prooves the concept.
If you wanted to show this technology to investors, or other people of interest, you would like to show that this TECHNOLOGY (and not DEVICE) can be used for a wide variety of applications. You would like to show a compact device, that lits a bulb. A more powerfull device, to power inductive loads like powerdrill and TV, and off cause you would like to show a bigger device that puts out hundreds of watts and lights several light bulbs. This does not nessesarily mean that the compact device could power even a transister radio, or that the most powerfull device could power a TV.
What I bascically mean is, that maybee the different TPU's are all build a little different. They are all build on a commen basic princip, but this princip could be expressed in a variaty of constellations concerning number of coils, number of windings, passive components and control circuitry. Each device would be a variant of the initial working device with modifications applied from experimenting and refining, to optain the specified goal.
So there is no ONE magic wonder device, but SEVERAL. Although they would all be labled as TPU's.
Hello all,
just a quick question: has anybody tried with bifilar or trifilar wound control coils???
Otto
Hi Otto
It does seem that a trifilar winding could provide multiple frequency excitation with a means for collection.
I read JM's parables and he does talk about parrallel conductors quite a bit.
Quote from: CTG Labs on January 11, 2007, 05:21:24 AM
HI all,
I don't dont analysing the big one is a good idea! The big one is one of the very last models and has loads of extra control circuitry making it harder to back engineer. I think that it's human nature after seeing the small models and thinking wow they are so small and there is nothing to them, but still I cant work out how it works so I will default to something I can try and anaylse being the big one with all the extra parts! But this just makes it more complex on you!
D.
hi mister D :)
i think you are right about that so can we discuss the open tpu?
i added an image of how i think it might work.
there are two capacitors and two diodes which are charged up by aplying pused high voltage onto the upper coil (charge principle up ramping Avramenko's)
the capacitors discharge abrubtly and as real induction into the sytem and the output is on bottom coil.
T
Hello,
just one interposed question:
is there anyone, who testified proof of SM's devices?
Or serious overunity-results of any replication?
I don't state, there's not, but a video gives no proof.
An additional stumbling block is the vanishing of SM.
Also I doubt, if it's worth relying on people, that don't lay out their concept and/or try to make much money with inventions like this by selling it to investors.
Many try this and than vanish, mostly closing down the hope of benefitting the world by their original results.
Isn't it better to follow Tom Bearden and the MEG-path?
Or did somone already achieved positive OU-results with SM's devices?
int25 .
Eugene Mallove, Paul E. Brown.
Google: 100 dead scientists to get a comprehensive list of what the possibilities are should one try to do what's right in the publics eye.
That is what I did first and now I am here.
Movies you should see are Enron, 911inplanesight, and follow the trail of data from Waco to OKcity to Building 7 @911 to Enron to Sharwzennegger to Bush to Iraq. This is what goes on should you choose good or evil.
--giantkiller. To not believe is to fail.
Is it merely a base or does it have something to do with the magnetic fields?
Gearhead
Hi,
I do believe that. Top and bottom, magnet in the middle.
I like the idea of a tank circuit cap+coil just tune right freq. and make it ressonante.
The other thing is that Tesla made a coil that didn't needed caps because it would go back and forward, with capacitance in the same coil windings. It would have a double windding from the end to beginning again twice. I never tried that. The speed might be the 5K but it might oscilate for the starting process. 'just keep whatching. :-*
Check the Waveguides by Tony R. Kuphaldt (he's great and knows a lot)
http://www.ibiblio.org/obp/electricCircuits/AC/AC_14.html#xtocid250917
since it speeds up, maybe it is using some sort of "self triggering"
for example a pulse is fired in control coil one, which triggers a fet which discarges a charged capacitor into control coil two,when this happens another fet triggers and discharges another capacitor in control coil three, and again this triggers coil one repeating the process,speeding up untill the maximum speed is reached, firing capacitors simultanly into a coil could create rotation and the radiant energy effect which at those speeds supercharge the collectors.
the diagram needs some changes in allowing one fet to be active at a time, this drawing is only to give a simple idea of what i mean, also maybe additional hardware is needed to keep the speed/frequency at certain points so it stay's there.
*offcource this method would mean the frequencys are directly related to the coils circumference, as the coils get bigger the frequency goes down.
*also it matches the exploding television if the tubes were close to the yoke, this self triggering could occur.
*certainly matches the firing of cannons.
*it matches variable tuning devices.
*it will turn a compass violently, starting up slowly,in a pulsed fashion.
*it represents the turbine effect.
*The multiple frequencies begin to feed themselves.
*takes just a few seconds for the coil to begin to function at maximum effort.
*Rotation of field. . .
*when magnets are used to trigger the fet's, the field would speed up and start to resonate with the field of the magnet in a feedback like fashion (input vs output).
T.
The "idea" sounds good ..
but Condensors cant discharge via the gates to the coils.
(fault in scematic)
Pese
again, the diagram needs some changes , this drawing is only to give a simple idea of what i mean.
This is a good idea to try. I would add some 10 volt zeners from gate to source to protect the fet's and some resistance in series with the capacitors to limit loading effects. The resistance, combined with the gate capacitance will allow frequency tuning.
The capacitors are not needed if the resistance is added. Then also some biasing pots to get the Fet's in range.
This circuit will determine if a magnetic field is massless or has some mass and thus inertia. Bibhas De has some things to say about this.
Be wary of heating effects in the Fet's which will change the operating point and cause a false speedup effect. You may need to insure a constant temp on the fets to separate cause and effect.
To allow disconnection of the internal FET diode, a separate diode can be added pointing to the drain (coil-diode-drain) This will unclamp the flyback emf on negative swings. The dotted diode is called the "parasitic" diode. It is inherent to the fabrication process of FET's wafers. It will clamp the free oscillation of your coil unless the disconnect diode is provided (coil-diode-FET).
I have often used this circuit in coil testing with feedback. It is safe for your FET's
Sorry for the hand drawing, I wanted to get this up quickly before Fet's were needlessly destroyed.
If you want to go like hell, reduce or eliminate the frequency resistors. I like to start slowly at first.
good Luck Tomas
From that , you can create an nice FET-Power Inverter.
Need only one coil for output ,
or even only diode plus condensor.
Nothing to create FE.
Oszillator that are running round
(over 3 transitors ) you find at NAUDIN
(coreless , but even with Coils it will work.
But , it produce only HEAT . ( = LOSSES)
@all
I am in the process of making my second TPU, but I have been looking extremely carefully at all the videos, literature, etc.
My main problem is the with collectors as prescribed by some of you guys. It seems that simply bunching horizontal collector coils together in the center, then wrapping it with the control coil is not to efficient. Anything under the outmost collector wires are to far away from the control coil transfer intersections, since there is no center iron core for induction to go through the complete collector bundle before reaching the iron core. It would seem to me that all of the collector wires must be in contact or intersecting with the control coils, at all times, for there to be maximum effect. The following is taken from the SM pdf and is part of a report done by Dr.ROLAND SCHINZINGER who was present at one of SM'S video demos.
"After the test the inventor cut the toroidally shaped device into segments (though not the controller box located at the center of the device). These samples consisted of an array of circumferentially arranged coils and wires grouped around a core made of a cork like substance."
This seems logical in order for the collectors to be on the outside of the cork type center, allowing for greater exposure of the collector to the control fields. Sm says what happens when a magnetic field travels over A wire, not a bunch of wires.
Also, the coil levels were more rectangular then circular, keeping with the idea that this maximizes more sidewall motion and less north/south poles, which favor the creation of the projected magnetic field toward the TPU center.
I have other reservations but these are the most pressing at the moment. If anyone has any concrete evidence that the current 3 level TPU form as worked on by most of you is the right way to go, and not just by getting kicks (I got kicks also with just simple 5 VDC pulsing), please advise.
Here's your magic bullet...
Make a TPU you can tune and forget all this diatribal bs.
--giantkiller.
Hello all,
this weekend I bought a lamp wire for my collector coils. I wound 21 turns. That are 7 turns in 3 layers. Over this collector coil I wound my control coils, again in 4 segments. Each segment has 85 turns, wire diameter is 0,65mm. My collector coil is 7,70m long and each segment of the control coil is the same 7,70m long. That means the ratio is: collector coil:control coils = 1:4.
Then I was thinking about the TPU: we have 3 collector coils + 3 control coils in segments + a coil wound all over the others, the feedback coil.
I wanted a really big signal so I wound over the segments an additional coil. This additional coil has 85 turns. I feeded the signal back. Now I have with only 1 collector coil + 1 control coil, in segments + 1 feedback coil = over 400 V kicks.
It will really be interesting to see when such two coils adds their signals. Not to mention what will happen when there are 3 of such coils!!
What I know for sure:
1. Number of turns of the collector coil is NOT important!!
2.Wire diameter, number of turns of the control coil is NOT important!!
THE IMPORTANT IN THE TPU IS THE FEEDBACK
Otto
Hi All,
here is finally a block digramm from
Turbo ( Marco)
about his 1 wire bulb lighting experiment
attached to this message.
So the red and the black line
means his 2 alufoils in his room.
He powers it all from the big battery
and the power amplifier that drives the
high voltage ignition coil.
The bulb with the bird symbol is just a tuned
LC circuit with single wire output and resonance
for the bulb filament wire length.
Many thanks to Marco for providing this block schematic.
Hello Everyone,
I have some info here that may seem to be off track from the current train of thought but we all absolutely need to check this out! I have been doing some research into loop antennas to see how the collector coil may be functioning inside of the TPU. I found this interesting link from Bill Beady?s website talking about how electrically small antennas could absorb energy like extremely long ones. No, this is nothing like your typical antenna theory but Bill does an excellent job of proving it. It?s all apparently in the physics that you can use a loop antenna to absorb 100s of times more EM energy from the environment by intentionally making the antenna transmit at the same frequency as the incoming wave? but in a way that CANCELS out the original wave! There is so much info here that lines up perfectly with what SM has told us. Bill even talks about how a ROTATING magnetic field can be used to aid in pulling in more power!!
This is exactly what Steve Mark has been trying to tell us?. The funny thing is that this article talks about how you can use a loop antenna the size of a pie plate to tap into ELF/VLF frequencies! Earth resonance anyone?? Tapping into the ?electromagnetic field of the earth??.. Guys I think this is it here?.
http://amasci.com/tesla/tesceive.html
Everyone, please take the time to read this in its entirety. I know it is long but trust me, you won?t be disappointed.
God Bless,
Jason O
From Otto:
Hello all,
Dave, would you post this at overunity, please? Thanks!!
In this picture you see what Im doing . We all have control coils in 4 segments. 1S = start of 1.segment, 1E = end of 1.segment...
This weekend I wound a coil over all segments and my kicks rised from 150V to over 400V!!
Yesterday I wound a little coil with 21 turns over the 1.segment. My kicks got additional 80V!! I really dont know how big my kicks are. Today I will wind another coil with 21 turns over the 2.segment and look were I can connect this coil.
OK;OK I know I have to separate my control coils and my collector coils. I will do this, of course.
What Im doing is maybe not a feedback. Maybe its only a transformer action, I dont know. I just want bigger and bigger kicks, thats all.
Otto
Quote from: Jdo300 on January 16, 2007, 12:59:46 AM
Hello Everyone,
I have some info here that may seem to be off track from the current train of thought but we all absolutely need to check this out! I have been doing some research into loop antennas to see how the collector coil may be functioning inside of the TPU. I found this interesting link from Bill Beady?s website talking about how electrically small antennas could absorb energy like extremely long ones. No, this is nothing like your typical antenna theory but Bill does an excellent job of proving it. It?s all apparently in the physics that you can use a loop antenna to absorb 100s of times more EM energy from the environment by intentionally making the antenna transmit at the same frequency as the incoming wave? but in a way that CANCELS out the original wave! There is so much info here that lines up perfectly with what SM has told us. Bill even talks about how a ROTATING magnetic field can be used to aid in pulling in more power!!
This is exactly what Steve Mark has been trying to tell us?. The funny thing is that this article talks about how you can use a loop antenna the size of a pie plate to tap into ELF/VLF frequencies! Earth resonance anyone?? Tapping into the ?electromagnetic field of the earth??.. Guys I think this is it here?.
http://amasci.com/tesla/tesceive.html
Everyone, please take the time to read this in its entirety. I know it is long but trust me, you won?t be disappointed.
God Bless,
Jason O
Hi Jason,
Have seen this before. Its really telling us I think how resonant circuits are able to absorb the same energy as a massive antenna. But in the end you cannot absorb more than is present in the incoming wave anyway!
So if you have for arguements sake 1 watt of energy in the incoming wave at your location, then a full wave antenna may be able to absorb 1 watt.
But a small antenna or resonant circuit which is not the right "length" should not be able to absorb 1 watt, but instead miss most of it and just absorb a fraction of it. So he explains how you can make a tiny antenna "act" as if its very long and make it absorb the same energy as a full length antenna! But you cant absorb more than is in the transmitted wave!
Question: How much energy is in the Schumman RF? Is there enough to do what we want?
We would need an antenna many many miles long! (3.8 Million meters)! But if we could make a tiny antenna act this many many miles long, how much is there for us to absorb in this natural RF?
Regards,
Dave.
Quote from: CTG Labs on January 16, 2007, 06:54:13 AM
We would need an antenna many many miles long! (3.8 Million meters)! But if we could make a tiny antenna act this many many miles long, how much is there for us to absorb in this natural RF?
Hi,
with the LMD wave transmission elements (L/C tank circuit). Lenght indefinite. Faster than the speed of light 126%. Coils in shunt, caps in series, apply frequency that ressonates.
Regards
Have you been able to show this? I have tested this LMD line and indeed the voltage and current are IN PHASE at the other end and the heat appears at the far end, not the input end! But no extra power.
D.
Check what
Mannix said about frequency (Pi) with/and LMD lines.
Quote from: Mannix on January 15, 2007, 03:40:46 PM
Electron tubes!
Which by the way do not produce odd harmonics as silicone does.
Imagine if we were able to produce an analogue computer that was trying to resolve pi..Just a thought!
Lindsay
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,1792.msg22010/topicseen.html#msg22010
Quote from: wattsup on January 09, 2007, 12:52:55 AM
Hey you guys. I though maybe you would like to see some photo grabs I made of some of SMs' videos. Maybe this will put things into perspective. I have alot more closeups.
Hope it's not too many.
Guys,
This is an interesting Oscillator design, I say this because it looks similar to the larger TPU control circuits, take alook at the link (below).....
http://www.electronics-tutorials.com/oscillators/hartley-oscillator.htm
Then look at the pix of the center torrid coils on the 18" TPU. from this post.
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,1761.1340.html
Notice anything familar? Now take a closer look at the small coil, notice the smaller segment of wraps near the top of the closeup pix of the small torrid? What do you think? It holds possibilities I think, especially since this Osc design has rich harmonics in its output.
I am having trouble with the direction the TPU design is going, I say this because we should be able to replicate it without using large amounts of current. We should be able to use a few AA cells or a 9v battery right?
Well I continue to look for the solution using the KISS principle.
@GK,
BTW GK, I am waiting on parts to redo my signal drivers, need FET's, my current transistors are not cutting it. Hopefully this week sometime.
So I continue to study and theorize and look for the "Holy Grail"
never mind...
There are a couple of problems with this effort that are preventing progress from being achieved:
1. Too much armchair theoretical bullshit
2. refusal to accept simplistic explanations that do not directly correlate to one's perception of this technology.
I commend Dave Mason for having the sense to leave this forum for a more acceptable environment for builder's only. I have not joined the CTG group, but I encourage anyone that is actually winding a coil to do so - even if you lack the proper equipment at this time. Tesla did not have an oscilloscope or a dvm - you will just have to learn how to test things the old fashioned way.
I will point out again that SM was not the first to harness this effect and will not be the last. SM's emthod is a means to an end and by no means the only way to get there. Edwin Grey, John Bedini, and others have achieved results and have released enough info to get a good idea of how it works.
In the two attached files, you not see a reference to tube amps or a requirement for sine waves - only a very basic explanation of radiant energy and how to release and collect it.
The attached Tesla patent is for collection of the energy and directly correlates to Bedini's method of collection - a capacitor. Pay attention to how Tesla creates a difference of potential in the collection circuit - this is key - the recieved energy is positive charge.
hellow,
we are in a sea of energy the sun being positive,the earth being negative.
if we want to tap that sea of energy, we need to do two things.
1.make it flow.
2.make sure it keeps flowing.
1.so how to make it flow?
basicly we need to create a path for the energy to flow.
this we can do by creating a point which is lower in charge as the environment is charged.
*like puncing a little hole in a baloon so the gas escapes because of the pressure diffrence.
2.how to make sure it keeps flowing?
basicly we need to convert the energy into another form so our "collecting bucket" never becomes full.
*like a container under sea level filling up slowly, it will become full, but not as we convert the flowing in water fast to another form like gas which can escape,it will keep flowing forever.
there are several ways to do this and a few brilliant people have proven this on diffrent occasions ;D
T.
Quote from: tomas on January 19, 2007, 12:47:34 PM
hellow,
we are in a sea of energy the sun being positive,the earth being negative.
if we want to tap that sea of energy, we need to do two things.
1.make it flow.
2.make sure it keeps flowing.
1.so how to make it flow?
basicly we need to create a path for the energy to flow.
this we can do by creating a point which is lower in charge as the environment is charged.
*like puncing a little hole in a baloon so the gas escapes because of the pressure diffrence.
2.how to make sure it keeps flowing?
basicly we need to convert the energy into another form so our "collecting bucket" never becomes full.
*like a container under sea level filling up slowly, it will become full, but not as we convert the flowing in water fast to another form like gas which can escape,it will keep flowing forever.
there are several ways to do this and a few brilliant people have proven this on diffrent occasions ;D
T.
http://www.icehouse.net/john34/bedinibearden.html
The other kids liked it; that's how it was voted 'best of show'. Adult judges gave her the other top prizes.
She flicks the wheel, into motion and it runs.
"This is the electromagnet coil (TPU kicks?). It has the power wire and the trigger wire... The power wire carries the voltage around the electromagnet coil and it goes through to the transistor?that little black thing?then it goes through the resistor and the diode and the trigger wire follows it and then the voltage flow comes out again and returns back to the negative side of the battery... The electromagnet generates the power, then it spins the wheel; the electricity goes through the generator coil which lights up the light-emitting diode. Then it starts all over again."
"We've been using this battery for a month or so now. It's supposed to have only 900 spins per nine volts, and that's a nine-volt battery, so if it were to run out then it would have run out a long time ago!"
She has only changed the battery three times since building it six months ago.
Read this book and then start over.
http://satanicsingles.com/library/The_Free_Energy_Secrets_of_Cold_Electricity.pdf
(don't let that website scare you)
Quote from: Grumpy on January 19, 2007, 05:44:52 PM
Read this book and then start over.
http://satanicsingles.com/library/The_Free_Energy_Secrets_of_Cold_Electricity.pdf
(don't let that website scare you)
Yo! Definately enough proof of where we're supposed to be headed. I've read 50% in other places but this is a good gathering of explicit examples in one place. Including mysterious deaths of heathly individuals. Can you google: 100 dead scientists ? This technology is for real. What I wouldn't give to be a fly on the wall at the meeting of the Rockefellers, Kennedys, Edison, Morgan and Marconi against Telsa. Quite the corner Tesla got nailed into.
Next task on my plate: I blew 2 tip41s with GK3. Hi amps was not my goal. I retry.
Thank you Grumpy.
Thank you Steven Mark.
--giantkiller.
Tesla made his own decision to back away. He felt the world was not ready for his technology. Morgan followed his promise to the letter. Tesla was far too necessary to take out - they needed him.
Keep after it and it will show itself to you - like many before you. You have the advantage of knowing that it exists - Tesla had to discover it first.
@Grumpy,
Thanks for the link, very interesting. I see many parallels here. humm....
Gotta try something.
This link dont work:http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=1761.0;attach=5236
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=1761.0;attach=5236
Worked when I tried it.
Quote from: Grumpy on January 19, 2007, 05:44:52 PM
Read this book and then start over.
http://satanicsingles.com/library/The_Free_Energy_Secrets_of_Cold_Electricity.pdf
(don't let that website scare you)
Thank you so much for Shortcut Grumpy
Regards,
Victor
Quote from: giantkiller on January 19, 2007, 02:20:24 PM
http://www.icehouse.net/john34/bedinibearden.html
The other kids liked it; that's how it was voted 'best of show'. Adult judges gave her the other top prizes.
She flicks the wheel, into motion and it runs.
"This is the electromagnet coil (TPU kicks?). It has the power wire and the trigger wire... The power wire carries the voltage around the electromagnet coil and it goes through to the transistor?that little black thing?then it goes through the resistor and the diode and the trigger wire follows it and then the voltage flow comes out again and returns back to the negative side of the battery... The electromagnet generates the power, then it spins the wheel; the electricity goes through the generator coil which lights up the light-emitting diode. Then it starts all over again."
"We've been using this battery for a month or so now. It's supposed to have only 900 spins per nine volts, and that's a nine-volt battery, so if it were to run out then it would have run out a long time ago!"
She has only changed the battery three times since building it six months ago.
Thanks for bringing up Bearden and Bedini. Does any of you have any comments about the recent book from Bedini and Bearden titled "Free Energy Generation Circuits & Schematics"
On a WEB site I came accross to a simple circuit and an explanation of incredible nature for it. I will attach the circuit and copy the explanation below.
My question is : Do you think the circuit attached can work? Or is it a hoax like some skeptics say.
Explanation : Here is one of John and Tom's patented inventions:
This is a circuit for capturing zero-point energy. There are no moving parts and only one simple coil needs to be wound since all of the other parts are readily available electronics components. The circuit operates by charging a capacitor to a high voltage and then discharging it suddenly. This sudden discharge creates conditions where the local environment feeds large amounts of free energy into the circuit. This energy is "cold" electricity or "negative" electricity and it acts in the opposite way to our everyday "hot" electricity. Items such as resistors, transformers, coils, etc. which cause losses in a circuit driven by "hot" electricity, act in exactly the reverse way for "cold" electricity and actually gather additional energy into the circuit from the surrounding environment. It would not be unusual for the circuit shown below to have an input of just 200 milliamps and yet generate an output %%[Page: 1]%%
power of 300 kilowatts. The overall strategy is to have the circuit powered by a battery, and arrange for the circuit to charge a bank of batteries which can then be used to drive equipment and power other loads. A circuit of this type can reasonably be expected to have a COP (Coefficient of Performance, i.e. Power Out / Power In) of anything from 20 to 100.
The rate of charging of the output batteries increases gradually over a period of a week or so, and eventually the batteries should be charged about 50 times faster than is possible with conventional "hot" electricity. The circuit looks very simple, and indeed it is simple to build, but do not be fooled into thinking that it is a normal circuit - it isn't. Thiscircuit is designed to capture external energy and its design is based on an understanding of exactly what the zeropoint energy field is, how it operates, and how to capture it. This circuit can run continuously day and night. In fact, it actually operates slightly better at night, due to reduced interference from other energy sources. Here is the circuit:
There are no moving parts in this circuit. The key component is the transformer which is a simple coil wound on a laminated iron-cored former. It is wound with three separate wires at the same time. This method of winding is called "Tri-Filar" and this particular coil is made with 450 turns of No 23 AWG wire (0.511 mm diameter conductor, equivalent to 25 SWG as shown in the table below). The coil is wound with the three strands simultaneously, so that each winding is exactly like each of the other two windings. The circuit operation is as follows:
This section oscillate, generating an alternating signal in each of the three windings. For clarity, the winding shown on the left looks shorter than the other winding, but in actual fact, each coil has 450 turns. When the On/Off switch is closed, powering up the circuit, this section gets kicked into oscillation, and it continues to oscillate as long as power is applied to the circuit. A device like this tri-filar coil acts as a collector (and effectively, an amplifier) of "cold" electr icity drawn in from the surrounding environment. This energy is passed through to the third winding: %%[Page: 2]%%
The power arriving in the third winding shown here, id rectified by a "bridge" of four diodes, each rated for operation at 1000 volts. Although the battery powering this circuit is a 12 volt battery, the voltage coming out of the third winding can easily be 300 volts. This power is fed into the capacitor, whose value should be in the 1 to 10 microfarad range. The capacitor voltage builds up with each successive pulse from the oscillator section, and then it is fed into the batteries when the SCR (Silicon Controlled Rectifier or "Thyristor") is switched on suddenly by the transistor. Both the capacitor and the batteries also act as collectors of "cold" electricity when operating in this circuit. However, the energy ends up as "hot" electricity inside the battery, and each charged battery can be used to power equipment in the normal way. For example, the battery can power a standard inve rter which will supply mains voltage sinewave power to televisions, DVD recorders, computers, etc. An important point to notice, is that this section of the circuit is "floating". In other words, it is not grounded or earthed like the earlier section of the circuit. The voltage being developed in the capacitor is relative to the charging batteries and nothing else. This is an important feature for the gathering of free energy from the environment.
The last section of the circuit is the timer which is used to switch on the SCR to feed power to the batteries:
The 555 timer chip is wired completely norm ally as a slow-running oscillator. It is in a standard "hot" electricity circuit which is grounded. For that reason, the output of the 555 chip on Pin 3, is fed to an opto-isolator, which keeps the two circuits completely separate. The 555 chip just switches the 2N3584 transistor hard on, which in turn, triggers the SCR into it's ON state, where it stays until the power in the capacitor has been transferred to the batteries as a massive pulse. When the voltage on the capacitor drops far enough, it starves the SCR of current, which causes the SCR to turn OFF, where it stays until triggered again by the 555 chip.
There is a good deal more information on this and other important circuits in the book by John Bedini and Tom Bearden and I encourage you again to buy a copy and study it carefully as it contains very important information giving a clear insight into how the universe actually operates and how you personally can benefit from the knowledge.
Will be interesting to see if Bedini will ever find a way to keep the radiant energy flowing continuously, so he can use it directly rather than just charge batteries. Seems like he is taking the long route.
Capacitor is the collector per Bedini's explanations. Transformer and associated components provide the pulses. Slow repetition rate.
Anyway, as you all can see by now - this is not rocket science - just backwater science on a shoe string.
If he can dump the RE to a battery then you can imping it onto a metallic collector. Perhaps he did not havbe the oscillation that SM mentioned. Perhaps he only scratched the surface...
Quote from: Grumpy on January 21, 2007, 10:19:10 PM
Will be interesting to see if Bedini will ever find a way to keep the radiant energy flowing continuously, so he can use it directly rather than just charge batteries. Seems like he is taking the long route.
Capacitor is the collector per Bedini's explanations. Transformer and associated components provide the pulses. Slow repetition rate.
Anyway, as you all can see by now - this is not rocket science - just backwater science on a shoe string.
If he can dump the RE to a battery then you can imping it onto a metallic collector. Perhaps he did not havbe the oscillation that SM mentioned. Perhaps he only scratched the surface...
There's a real study in
UnderUnity. How many times does an answer have to be mentioned before somebody does it? :D
--giantkiller. Let's see what this week brings. Like whatever day really matters. :D
@ devrimogun
cold_circuit.jpg
this circuit is not working !
an scr can only switch on !
Never off !!
The voltage must come (also via pulses) to zero before an scr go off.
Some of this circuits are "untested" ideas , without knowledge in
electronic parts and components.
(it is your time , that will be lost)
Pese
Hello all,
@Grumpy,
thanks for the pdf. Veeeery interesting.
Otto
Quote from: pese on January 22, 2007, 02:51:07 AM
@ devrimogun
cold_circuit.jpg
this circuit is not working !
an scr can only switch on !
Never off !!
The voltage must come (also via pulses) to zero before an scr go off.
Some of this circuits are "untested" ideas , without knowledge in
electronic parts and components.
(it is your time , that will be lost)
Pese
Hi Pese and All,
With due respect, please have a look at the circuit again and notice the 3.3uF/600V puffer capacitor on the trafo secondary side, connected to the full wave bridge. The 3.3uF is a very small value capacitor for a normal puffer cap and can discharge easily into the very low impedance load, into the 2 batteries, via the scr.
You are right of course an scr cannot be controlled via its gate to switch it off and here it is switched off when all the charge from the 3.3uF is transferred into the batteries, so the anode current of the scr goes down to zero, when the voltages in the cap and the battery become equal, ok?
From another Bedini yahoo group there was info that the 3.3uF cap charges up (it is allowed) to 24-25V DC under normal operation and this voltage goes down to the battery voltage when the scr fires. The pulses from the NE555 come continuosly and their only task is to trigger the scr on.
So this circuit can work as is shown. Please think it over. Usually there are lots of circuits on the internet which are 'bogus' or obviously cannot work. This circuit does not belong to them. (and I am not a Bedini man of course to defend his circuits :D )
Respectfully
Gyula
Quote from: pese on January 22, 2007, 02:51:07 AM
@ devrimogun
cold_circuit.jpg
this circuit is not working !
an scr can only switch on !
Never off !!
The voltage must come (also via pulses) to zero before an scr go off.
Some of this circuits are "untested" ideas , without knowledge in
electronic parts and components.
(it is your time , that will be lost)
Pese
The circuit will work as designed. The SCR will discharge the CAP until it reaches zero volts or near zero (relative to the battery voltage), then let go. It won't stay on.
If John Bedini designed it you can bet it will work.
I've been following John's work for years.
The transistor is biased on by the 2K 10K resistors. The power is applied and the second (middle) coil is charged which then induces a pulse into the windings. The output of the second winding counters the bias current feeding the transistor when it receives the pulse. This abruptly turns off the power to the whole transformer. In other words, little current is allowed to flow before the circuit shuts off, which then lets the radiant pulse live. There's an RE window opened up with this circuit.
This circuit sets up a natural timing (RE window) that produces a radiant pulse, which is then soaked up by the third winding, which then charges the capacitor. This circuit is a "radiant energy oscillator". The capacitor is used to transform the RE energy into something that the battery can work with. Apparently, it is dangerous to charge batteries with pure RE, as they tend to explode due to super charging. Batteries have a lot of charge carriers (electrons and ions) that are energized with RE. These charge carriers transform RE into your everyday hot electricity.
That circuit does the same thing as a Bedini battery charging motor and works off the same basic principle (turn off the transformer just before the RE disappears, but not too soon).
The circuit can actually be improved by replacing the SCR with a high voltage transistor and using the 555 to chop discharge the capacitor into the battery. I seem to recall John doing this in one of his circuits. The series of pulses seem to be more effective in charging the battery due to their coupling with the battery's multi-harmonic scalar potentials (or so the theory goes). However, this may not be needed since the battery is getting a fast series of pulses from the discharge stream.
Quote from: Grumpy on January 21, 2007, 10:19:10 PM
Will be interesting to see if Bedini will ever find a way to keep the radiant energy flowing continuously, so he can use it directly rather than just charge batteries. Seems like he is taking the long route.
Capacitor is the collector per Bedini's explanations. Transformer and associated components provide the pulses. Slow repetition rate.
Anyway, as you all can see by now - this is not rocket science - just backwater science on a shoe string.
If he can dump the RE to a battery then you can imping it onto a metallic collector. Perhaps he did not havbe the oscillation that SM mentioned. Perhaps he only scratched the surface...
John has been at this a long time now. He's built the EV Gray tube and has experimented with it. I think what John wants to do is find a way that doesn't use kilovolts to produce the RE. If you want a kick ass RE system just build a scaled down Magnifying Transmitter. They're fairly simple. The problem as I see it with these high energy RE systems is that they affect a large area around them, electrifying everything. You may not want this. What will this do to the sensitive electronic systems. Good by TV, hello smoke. Good by Ipod, hello sparks.
What I have been contemplating is to build a small (tabletop -- no more that about 10 inches high) Magnifying Transmitter that works off rectified line voltage (170 VDC) and and instead of a spark gap just use a MOSFET. I'm sure kilovolts is not necessary to produce RE. You just need fast unidirectional pulses of the right duration and the right transformer geometry. You get less RE but then again that may be all you need to run your home.
Has anyone tried this approach? It seems so obvious to me. I've seen the plans for a solid state Tesla coil that has a ferocious output. The thing was about eight inches high. All the guy did was switch the rectified line voltage in to it using a push pull driver configuration. The point is, he got a lot of power out of it using rectified line voltage. All one needs to do is reconfigure that same basic system and go with unidirectional pulses. It would take you an afternoon to rig up the transformer. There are few winding in these things. A toilet paper tube, or a paper cone form for the secondary and about three or four turns for the primary. Use a 100 watt light bulb for a ballast resistor so you don't burn out your FET and hit that sucker with 170 volt DC pulses and see what happens.
Am I not seeing something here. We have Tesla's designs all debugged and ready to go. Just scale them down.
From what I can see, the EV Gray tube is a Magnifying Transmitter turned inside out. We have the transmitter primary inside the tube and the secondary outside the tube. They both seem to work off the same principle.
Ok -- now I'm ready to be ridiculed. Where's the flaw in my thinking?
Quote from: mrl on January 22, 2007, 11:08:31 AM
If John Bedini designed it you can bet it will work.
The circuit can actually be improved by replacing the SCR with a high voltage transistor and using the 555 to chop discharge the capacitor into the battery. I seem to recall John doing this in one of his circuits. The series of pulses seem to be more effective in charging the battery due to their coupling with the battery's multi-harmonic scalar potentials (or so the theory goes). However, this may not be needed since the battery is getting a fast series of pulses from the discharge stream.
@All, Call to arms!
You mean just swap out the SCR with a TO-52 NPN HV tranny?
If somebody would show the diag with these updates, I will build in a day. After that the interfacing and coupling with the TPU will be inevitable. And that is the step I want! I want to screw around with operation here. That is why I ask. There are those of you that I know that see this.
The GK4 has 2,400 turns of magwire. If I have to wind the Bedini one for 450 turns, I'll do it! I can do that on the bus, at intersections, in a cab. Cake. Keep it simple for me and I'll do my complex part and then post it in it's simplicity.
Most of us have sig gens or 555s up and running. It has been 3 days and only 1 questioning the circuit. And that is pretty damn good. There have been other posts that don't make it an hour before it gets bashed into oblivion.
--giankiller. Any takers? I wait... 8)
Hi All,
This is my first post but i have been around reading and investigating about this coil thing and other ZPE devices. I find some very interesting things about toroidal current sensing coils.
I find one even on ebay claiming hes coils works and puts out 1000volts at 50ma that is like 200w
this one has a iron ferrite core and thousands of windings .
He does not sell the item itself just the plans. And he says he can built it for you if you wish for around $250.
http://cgi.ebay.ca/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AVRI&viewitem=&item=250076441046&rd=1&rd=1
If you not find the link just search for free energy coil. or by the sold items.
Good luck, Alex
Quote from: giantkiller on January 22, 2007, 11:47:46 AM
Quote from: mrl on January 22, 2007, 11:08:31 AM
If John Bedini designed it you can bet it will work.
The circuit can actually be improved by replacing the SCR with a high voltage transistor and using the 555 to chop discharge the capacitor into the battery. I seem to recall John doing this in one of his circuits. The series of pulses seem to be more effective in charging the battery due to their coupling with the battery's multi-harmonic scalar potentials (or so the theory goes). However, this may not be needed since the battery is getting a fast series of pulses from the discharge stream.
@All, Call to arms!
You mean just swap out the SCR with a TO-52 NPN HV tranny?
If somebody would show the diag with these updates, I will build in a day. After that the interfacing and coupling with the TPU will be inevitable. And that is the step I want! I want to screw around with operation here. That is why I ask. There are those of you that I know that see this.
The GK4 has 2,400 turns of magwire. If I have to wind the Bedini one for 450 turns, I'll do it! I can do that on the bus, at intersections, in a cab. Cake. Keep it simple for me and I'll do my complex part and then post it in it's simplicity.
Most of us have sig gens or 555s up and running. It has been 3 days and only 1 questioning the circuit. And that is pretty damn good. There have been other posts that don't make it an hour before it gets bashed into oblivion.
--giankiller. Any takers? I wait... 8)
You can eliminate the 555 timer in that circuit (it's just a bill-dog trigger), eliminate the other trigger transistor, keep the SCR (or use a triac). Trigger the triac using either a neon bulb or a high voltage zener diode. This will be simpler. I'll try and work up a schematic.
Quote from: giantkiller on January 22, 2007, 11:47:46 AM
@All, Call to arms!
You mean just swap out the SCR with a TO-52 NPN HV tranny?
If somebody would show the diag with these updates, I will build in a day. After that the interfacing and coupling with the TPU will be inevitable. And that is the step I want! I want to screw around with operation here. That is why I ask. There are those of you that I know that see this.
The GK4 has 2,400 turns of magwire. If I have to wind the Bedini one for 450 turns, I'll do it! I can do that on the bus, at intersections, in a cab. Cake. Keep it simple for me and I'll do my complex part and then post it in it's simplicity.
Most of us have sig gens or 555s up and running. It has been 3 days and only 1 questioning the circuit. And that is pretty damn good. There have been other posts that don't make it an hour before it gets bashed into oblivion.
--giankiller. Any takers? I wait... 8)
Thank you Giantkiller. I am glad that my proposal is interesting to at least some of you.
Before considering to make improvements to this circuit I propose to build the original and prove that it works first. Then, of course with all of your precious inputs it can be improved.
Best regards to all.
Devrim
Hi Alex,
QuoteI find one even on ebay claiming hes coils works and puts out 1000volts at 50ma that is like 200w
Sorry, your maths is a bit out, thats about 50 watts by my reckoning.
Very , very interesting though, I wonder if he is prepared to stand by his plans?
i.e. If I do not get it to work I will get a full refund.
I may contact that buyer that bought the coil setup to see if he got it working.
Zero point energy generators on eBay, what ever next?
Regards
Rob
Quote from: giantkiller on January 22, 2007, 11:47:46 AM
Quote from: mrl on January 22, 2007, 11:08:31 AM
If John Bedini designed it you can bet it will work.
The circuit can actually be improved by replacing the SCR with a high voltage transistor and using the 555 to chop discharge the capacitor into the battery. I seem to recall John doing this in one of his circuits. The series of pulses seem to be more effective in charging the battery due to their coupling with the battery's multi-harmonic scalar potentials (or so the theory goes). However, this may not be needed since the battery is getting a fast series of pulses from the discharge stream.
@All, Call to arms!
You mean just swap out the SCR with a TO-52 NPN HV tranny?
If somebody would show the diag with these updates, I will build in a day. After that the interfacing and coupling with the TPU will be inevitable. And that is the step I want! I want to screw around with operation here. That is why I ask. There are those of you that I know that see this.
The GK4 has 2,400 turns of magwire. If I have to wind the Bedini one for 450 turns, I'll do it! I can do that on the bus, at intersections, in a cab. Cake. Keep it simple for me and I'll do my complex part and then post it in it's simplicity.
Most of us have sig gens or 555s up and running. It has been 3 days and only 1 questioning the circuit. And that is pretty damn good. There have been other posts that don't make it an hour before it gets bashed into oblivion.
--giankiller. Any takers? I wait... 8)
Here's a whipped up a simplified version of John's charger. I've not not worked with SCRs in a while but I think it's wired properly.
See attached.
NOTE: schematic removed due to errors.
@mrl
even if you belive that work,
it cant work.
semiconductor and design for it
is my work over 40 years .
the capacitor cant discharge to ZERO Volt
solong trugh the SCR flow an little
"holding current" (see datasheet).
so long the SCR never comes to ZERO volt
to cut off.
This "robber" the time and material for the members here,
and my time to explain this an second time.
The "circuit datas" say nothing , no datas for transfo-core ,
for number of windings. Wire diameter , nothing..
Even , if you change scematic to an transistor -not so simple-
(instead of SCR) . You will have LOST in Energy.
an Transforer have Lost 10 % . an Transitor 2N3055
have Lost (in HEAT ) . In Battery that charge have
20 % Lost. This DEVICE here , is not TPU not FE
not OU Device.
Pese
Pese,
John Bedini explaned that the "radiant energy" manifests in the initial application of voltage potential - before current flow begins. Bedini claims that the capacitor is able to capture and hold this potential and that it is not the same as conventional potential. He demonstrate that the form of discharge from this type of stored energy is much different - with very bright light - than normal spark of conventional electricity.
When looking at the circuit, consider that the capacitor recieved energy from "an unknown source" with the pulse.
I make no excuses for the circuit or claims that it works. I am just relating the explanation of radiant energy. I mentioned Bedini's work only as an example of radiant energy technology
Quote from: pese on January 22, 2007, 04:35:05 PM
@mrl
even if you belive that work,
it cant work.
semiconductor and design for it
is my work over 40 years .
the capacitor cant discharge to ZERO Volt
solong trugh the SCR flow an little
"holding current" (see datasheet).
so long the SCR never comes to ZERO volt
to cut off.
This "robber" the time and material for the members here,
and my time to explain this an second time.
The "circuit datas" say nothing , no datas for transfo-core ,
for number of windings. Wire diameter , nothing..
Even , if you change scematic to an transistor -not so simple-
(instead of SCR) . You will have LOST in Energy.
an Transforer have Lost 10 % . an Transitor 2N3055
have Lost (in HEAT ) . In Battery that charge have
20 % Lost. This DEVICE here , is not TPU not FE
not OU Device.
Pese
You're trying to use classic physics on your transformer criticism. It doesn't work entirely like a transformer (forget what you learned). The core values are not critical.
The SCR will remain on until the cap discharges below the SCRs threshold AND the transformer puts out the spike larger that the forward bias of the diodes. When the transformer puts out a spike larger than 12 V then the SCR will turn off. This is how I see it.
@grumpy
yes i know it.
i have all printed out that comes from bedini and
his application about 24 diagrams Scematics.
also i have al from ed gray (including the "pay?d"
instruction to build that generator (that never worked anywhere).
This application "still before" is not more than an inverter
with an scr load/overload protection.
Even IF YOU WILL FIND "radiant energy", thisSCR circuit can ?t
work !! Even the inverter circuit are "incomplet" without mor
details to construct the transforer.
This is all what i try to say.
Eveb if you will find "radiant" energy or the "gost aladin" , this
circuit will not work like this , even not as an simple "inverter".
If all think "instead to belive or to learn" also some little things from
electronics , to know more . I will say nore more from them and
still wait. It is your time . You will see , without great changes in
circuit "nothing" will "run" , and with (or without) changes , no
FE or OverUnity charging will be found (this way) .
Pes?
Quote from: giantkiller on January 22, 2007, 11:47:46 AM
@All, Call to arms!
You mean just swap out the SCR with a TO-52 NPN HV tranny?
If somebody would show the diag with these updates, I will build in a day. After that the interfacing and coupling with the TPU will be inevitable. And that is the step I want! I want to screw around with operation here. That is why I ask. There are those of you that I know that see this.
The GK4 has 2,400 turns of magwire. If I have to wind the Bedini one for 450 turns, I'll do it! I can do that on the bus, at intersections, in a cab. Cake. Keep it simple for me and I'll do my complex part and then post it in it's simplicity.
Most of us have sig gens or 555s up and running. It has been 3 days and only 1 questioning the circuit. And that is pretty damn good. There have been other posts that don't make it an hour before it gets bashed into oblivion.
--giankiller. Any takers? I wait... 8)
Giantkiller hello. You were getting ready to building the circuit before "pese" intervened.
If this circuit is that much a cake for you why don't you build it now.
My argument is that if the problem is so little as to zero out a capacitor there can be many ways found to fix that problem (we do not even know if there is a problem)
The main goal here is to find the radiant energy and harness it. I am sure minor problems can be solved.
Below, I will copy explanantion of Mr. Calloway of calloway engines on pulsing coils.
My point is that if a wire can get charged from space so can a capacitor. Therefore, why not build this Bedini circuit? Or maybe you want to start with the below setup.
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Pulse CoilsThere are pulse motors listed at many websites. We feel that anyone interested, will know how the basic operation of these designs work and how to build one. I have decided that there is no use in describing the build of a pulse motor. They are all about the same. However the coils used for how to build and correctly wire them need to be described and clarified.
This is indeed the heart of a successful build if you wish for a good return with additional potential gain. There have been many descriptions of different coil builds. Some of them are claimed to be using secret types of core material, secretive lengths of wire used, and exotic windings. Its just not that complicated as it is made up to be. First, lets just look at a small 10 foot in length piece of #19 size wire. This small length of wire holds the potential for voltage and current.
The electrons that is in the wire are ready to be used. We simply, must compress it. The same can be seen in a garden hose we have filled full of water. The water is there ready to be compressed by applying pressure to one end of the hose. We apply pressure to the wire by connecting it to a higher voltage that is in the wire, which is as of now, zero. We don't have to fill the wire with anything like we did with the garden hose. The electrons are always there in a relaxed postion.
Lets say we apply a 100 DC volts to this wire slowly with the other end grounded. What happens? It will burn the wire up if enough current is used. What if we apply this 100 volts very fast in DC pulses? What about the time in between pulses? Anytime a coil is pulsed it applies pressure to the electrons already in the wire. This pushes out the electrons at the end of the wire FIRST to the load. When the coil is relaxed (in between pulses) any electrons lost are replaced back into the coil of wire from the vacuum. The wire coil has filled itself when it is in a relaxed state for any loss of electrons that it needs to orbit the atoms of the copper in the wire of the coil.
Now, if we pulse the potential into the coil of wire fast enough, a interesting event happens. In the relaxed state in between a pulse, the coil is at a net loss of electrons momentarily. Especialy if we have switched the coil out of the load into a electron collector, such as a large capacitor. This causes the "avalanche" effect to occur from the vacuum to the coil. This rush to fill the coil void of electrons from the vacuum also causes a significant voltage rise. The momentary avalanche time is extended by using the capacitor.
By looking at your wire tables and knowing the resistance of your wire at your chosen length with your voltage used, you can build a fine coil(s) to run a pulse motor and have it return plenty of potential. You must push the voltage and current in the wire of the coil close to the burn out limit. But the faster you pulse the coil, this limit drops and performance increases. Heat is made in the coil from being pulsed, but cold electrons entering from the vacuum cool the coil. One should have a cool or a cold coil(s) to be operating efficiently. A cold coil simply means that a over abundance of vacuum electrons are being re-supplied to the coil while running. The capacitor has literally partially drained the coil of electrons and the vacuum must re-supply the copper wire with a balance of electrons for the atoms in the wire.
We simply tricked the vacuum. A soft iron core is all that is needed. Another trick imployed, is to wind the coil byfilar. Use the seperate winding to dump extra potential from it into a cap. You can even wind the coil tri-filar and use the 3rd winding for a trigger to pulse the coil. You can wire the coil in a series byfilar method and collect some of the E-field effect. This directs potential in the same direction as the pulse relaxation point. It seems that some magical event is happening in these coils by some folks. It is not. It is a natural event that happens if you wire your coils properly and switch them into a cap in the relaxed mode.
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Best regards,
Devrim
Question for GK. I see that you mentioned 2400 Turns on your GK4. Does that mean 800 turns per level? I am just wondering if that was a misprint or ??
Thank you.
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All, Call to arms!
You mean just swap out the SCR with a TO-52 NPN HV tranny?
If somebody would show the diag with these updates, I will build in a day. After that the interfacing and coupling with the TPU will be inevitable. And that is the step I want! I want to screw around with operation here. That is why I ask. There are those of you that I know that see this.
The GK4 has 2,400 turns of magwire. If I have to wind the Bedini one for 450 turns, I'll do it! I can do that on the bus, at intersections, in a cab. Cake. Keep it simple for me and I'll do my complex part and then post it in it's simplicity.
Most of us have sig gens or 555s up and running. It has been 3 days and only 1 questioning the circuit. And that is pretty damn good. There have been other posts that don't make it an hour before it gets bashed into oblivion.
--giankiller. Any takers? I wait...
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there goes your money ;D
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Quote from: rupal on January 26, 2007, 03:22:01 AM
it seems to be similar to the TPU.
the question is.......is it?
Quote from: FatBird on January 25, 2007, 10:15:05 PM
Question for GK. I see that you mentioned 2400 Turns on your GK4. Does that mean 800 turns per level? I am just wondering if that was a misprint or ??
Thank you.
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All, Call to arms!
You mean just swap out the SCR with a TO-52 NPN HV tranny?
If somebody would show the diag with these updates, I will build in a day. After that the interfacing and coupling with the TPU will be inevitable. And that is the step I want! I want to screw around with operation here. That is why I ask. There are those of you that I know that see this.
The GK4 has 2,400 turns of magwire. If I have to wind the Bedini one for 450 turns, I'll do it! I can do that on the bus, at intersections, in a cab. Cake. Keep it simple for me and I'll do my complex part and then post it in it's simplicity.
Most of us have sig gens or 555s up and running. It has been 3 days and only 1 questioning the circuit. And that is pretty damn good. There have been other posts that don't make it an hour before it gets bashed into oblivion.
--giankiller. Any takers? I wait...
No sir. Not a misquote. I saw what Tesla had achieved with smaller gauge. Experiments by other posters with magnet wire achieved good results. I saw the usage of 12vdc in these too.
Yes, 800 per layer. http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,1872.msg21431.html#msg21431 (http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,1872.msg21431.html#msg21431) Just in case some haven't seen the posted specs.
--giantkiller.
Quote from: rupal on January 26, 2007, 05:07:40 AM
so in other words it is not worth even looking at ?
This site has been good for the last year in that nobody has tried to sell anybody anything. That is a boundary I won't cross. That keeps a certain level of honesty imbedded here. A certain level of safety has been maintained.
--giantkiller.
Rupal,
It is highly unlikely that you've bought schematics of a working device. The typical ploy is that you build it and if it does not work the guy will say you built it wrong. Most people here have been searching for a long time for the TPU design. If you post the schematic you've bought, more than likely we can point you to a similar (non working) device published already.
AM
just post the copy of the mpi coil, or pherhaps the molina martinez device, no no plese do the rene-rator then we can laugh again ;D ;D
Here the secret of Turbo TPU:
http://www.zpenergy.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=348
Quote from: tomas on January 26, 2007, 06:56:33 PM
just post the copy of the mpi coil, or pherhaps the molina martinez device, no no plese do the rene-rator then we can laugh again ;D ;D
Hello all,
Rupal was not offering anything for sale. He said he would e-mail the schematics to anyone who was interested in further study. I e-mailed him and he sent me the schematics. After looking briefly at them, I concur with Rupal that the circuit, most likely, is a simple step-up transformer.
Attached are 3 Photos of Alfred Hubbard's TPU back in 1919. There are 8 Outer Circumference Control Coils surrounding 1 Large Collector Coil in the CENTER. Imagine Control Coil 1 firing Control Coil 2. Then Coil 2 fires Coil 3, Coil 3 fires Coil 4, etc, etc, around & around it goes in a circle. This would establish a Rotating Magnetic Field for the Large Collector Coil. Simple but powerful.
He claimed it put out 250 Amps at 120 Volts.
Do we see the SIMILARITY to SM's TPU?
Below is a newspaper article about it from 1920.
Comments welcome.
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The Post-Intelligencer (Seattle WA), Thursday, July 29, 1920 ~
Hubbard Coil Runs Boat On Portage Bay Ten Knots An Hour; Auto Test Next ~
Seattle Boy Inventor Makes Good His Claims of Last December When He Announced Discovery to P.I. ~
Hubbard's Claims ~
If young Hubbard's claims are correct regarding the newest coil he has perfected, and which propelled a boat yesterday, these are a few of the things the coil would do without cost other than the initial outlay of $90:
250 Amps at 120 Volts.
Drive a large touring car at normal speed.
Illuminate a moderate-sized office building.
Furnish current for lighting, cooking, and heating for a large residence
Heat seven two room apartments.
While the device has been patented, the claims for it are so broad that Hubbard says he does not feel safe in making public his secret. In general, he says, it is made up of a group of eight electro-magnets, each with primary and secondary windings of copper wire, which are arranged around a large steel core. The core likewise has a single winding. A coil thus constructed, he says, is lifeless until given an initial impulse. This is done by connecting the ends of its windings for a fraction of a second to an
ordinary[two words unreadable R.L.R.] -ing circuit, he says.
"I never heard of this Lester J. Hendershot, the Pittsburgh electrical engineer who is demonstrating the motor", Hubbard said, "but it must be remembered that I worked on the invention for two years in Pittsburgh -- in 1921 and 1922. It was a Dr. Greenslade who represented the people who were financing me at the time -- but, of course, if the people who bought out most of my interest in the invention were to bring it out as their own machinery, they would probably do it through a man with whom I had never worked. I was employed by the radium Chemical Company at the time I was working in Pitsburgh".
Sold Interest ~
While Hubbard declined to disclose the exact amount that he had received for his invention, he made it clear that he had sold out a 75% interest in what may prove to be the greatest scientific revelation of the ages for little more than a mess of potage.
"When I made my discovery", he said, "I was only 16 years old and, until that time, I?d never even had an ice cream soda. So you can imagine that a couple of thousand dollars looked mighty big to me. I never hesitated for an instant when the people who were financing me insisted on taking a [missing text] kept demanding more and more of my rights.
Just Quit Cold ~
"But, at last, along in 1922, I suddenly came to the realization that if I acceded to their latest demand I?d have only 20% interest left, so I just quit them cold".
Hubbard asserted that he has no intention of bringing any legal action against Hendershot or his associates for the present, at least.
"If he really is using my idea", Hubbard said, "and if it proves practical, it?s so big that 25% -- or 2% -- will bring in more money than I can ever possibly use. So I am not worried ... [missing text] when he went to work for the Pittsburgh people.
Hubbard went into retirement along with his motor for some time, but he made a dramatic return to Seattle and public attention a few years ago, when he was indicted for liquor conspiracy with Roy Olmstead, then acclaimed as the bootleg king of the Northwest.
Hubbard was duly arrested but, on the eve of his trial, the indictment against him was dismissed and it later came out that, while associated with Olmstead, he had turned government informer. Some time after this he came out in the open as a frankly avowed prohibition agent.
Hubbard's generator was a central coil wound on a tube, with eight coils around it, wound on iron cores. Here is real power without smog, or fumes and at no cost to operate. This explains why the "authorities" stepped in and stopped the experiments as in other cases through the years.
According to G.D.Mutch, the dimensions in the table of Table 1 are taken from Hubbards actual 9-coil design:
Table 1 ~
Hubbard Design Outer Inner Total Hubbards Frequencies
No. Coils 8 1 9 5.340 Hz = 2.8 Ghz/ (2^19)
Diameter mm 30 49 10.681 Hz = 2.8 Ghz/ (2^18)
Height mm 146 146 21.362 Hz = 2.8 Ghz/ (2^17)
"Hubbard used a multiply ratio of 5.75 formulated from his knowledge of the Golden Section. Example 49/30 = 1.6333. Hubbard stated that his nine(9) coil design above stepped up the output power compared to the input power by a ratio of 3:1... Hubbard stated he could use copper wire of different diameter/gauges to complete one totally wound coil.
A poor description of the device may be better than none at all.
Around a hollow centred probably a non-magnetic tube insulated copper wire is wrapped. The size of the wire and the number of turns are not known.
This winding could correspond to the primary of a transformer.
These bars do not touch one another. If they are magnetic their poles might be all alike or they may be alternated.
Circulating the central tube and its appendages are eight coils of wire wound upon what appears to be eight cores of magnetic upon iron. These eight coils stand parallel to the central tube. Their outer windings appear to be connected in series and probably form something corresponding to the secondary of the transformer.
As there seems to be more windings on this secondary than the primary one would suspect following ordinary electrical practice. That the transformer was a step up variety rather than a step down.
That is the secondary voltage would be higher than its primary voltage and consequently its amperage would be less.
Four leads out wires are showing. How they are connected together -- if they are remains a secret.
Photo 2 attached.
Photo 3 attached.
I have been on this since thursday. The specs are truely amazing. worth the reading.
--giantkiller.
@all
Looking at the three level TPU, I am wondering if the below design could be feasible as a motinless motor type design using the current 3 level TPU design you guys have on hand. My electronics skills are to meager to consider doing this test, but I though I would put it up in case someone had some components on hand to try it. Final design could be a derivitive of this but in general, what I am trying to convey is using the top and bottom levels with opposite polarity to have different poles touching the top and bottom of the center coils. By simply reversing polarity and pulsing a small current into the center coils, if the center paired coils, this could potentially produce an AC current. If the center coils were wired half half, this could produce DC. Or maybe I should be flying kites in a thunderstorm.
I just posted a cross reference here about Alfred Hubbard GENERATOR:
http://forum.ctglabs.com/index.php?topic=40.15
Quote from: Yamanashi Jr on January 28, 2007, 07:25:43 PM
I just posted a cross reference here about Alfred Hubbard GENERATOR:
http://forum.ctglabs.com/index.php?topic=40.15
Maybe someone can repost the information here for those of us that are not members on ctglabs.
Thanks
Has anyone here an idea how the oscillator of the Turbo device is made?
Quote from: rotorhead on January 29, 2007, 10:02:08 AM
Quote from: Yamanashi Jr on January 28, 2007, 07:25:43 PM
I just posted a cross reference here about Alfred Hubbard GENERATOR:
http://forum.ctglabs.com/index.php?topic=40.15
Maybe someone can repost the information here for those of us that are not members on ctglabs.
Thanks
http://atl2.netfirms.com/engy/mutch/matrixlaw/hubbard.htm (http://atl2.netfirms.com/engy/mutch/matrixlaw/hubbard.htm)
http://rexresearch.com/hubbard/hubbard.htm (http://rexresearch.com/hubbard/hubbard.htm)
http://amasci.com/freenrg/hubbard1.txt (http://amasci.com/freenrg/hubbard1.txt)
http://www.linux-host.org/energy/shubbard.html (http://www.linux-host.org/energy/shubbard.html)
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,1761.1450.html (http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,1761.1450.html)
http://www.zpenergy.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=2206 (http://www.zpenergy.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=2206)
Now its over here!
--giantkiller. To serve is the greatest reward!
Hi GK and all!
The first topic was a very simple device for lightning a bulb.
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,1761.0.html
And now there are too many rings, very large rings, a lot af power drivers etc...
At this time, nobody has replicated this very simple Turbo's device and nobody have proof of overunity and
powered a 100W light bulb for hours with a 9V battery.
If the SM's TPU works, this guy could request several millions dollars from Sir Richard Branson !!!
And everyone could purchase a free energy device!
I have made several coils like described in this forum without success.
My question is:
Otto or GK, if you have really a working TPU, contact immediatly Richard Branson and you will be rich!
No need for you to wire, wire, wire.....
Marcel
Quote from: Marcel on February 14, 2007, 04:23:59 PM
Hi GK and all!
The first topic was a very simple device for lightning a bulb.
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,1761.0.html
And now there are too many rings, very large rings, a lot af power drivers etc...
At this time, nobody has replicated this very simple Turbo's device and nobody have proof of overunity and
powered a 100W light bulb for hours with a 9V battery.
If the SM's TPU works, this guy could request several millions dollars from Sir Richard Branson !!!
And everyone could purchase a free energy device!
I have made several coils like described in this forum without success.
My question is:
Otto or GK, if you have really a working TPU, contact immediatly Richard Branson and you will be rich!
No need for you to wire, wire, wire.....
Marcel
Done! I will post any responses. I'll have a need for a team... If I am allowed that priviledge.
--giantkiller. Hence the name...
Quote from: giantkiller on January 29, 2007, 12:04:48 PM
Quote from: rotorhead on January 29, 2007, 10:02:08 AM
Quote from: Yamanashi Jr on January 28, 2007, 07:25:43 PM
I just posted a cross reference here about Alfred Hubbard GENERATOR:
http://forum.ctglabs.com/index.php?topic=40.15
Maybe someone can repost the information here for those of us that are not members on ctglabs.
Thanks
http://atl2.netfirms.com/engy/mutch/matrixlaw/hubbard.htm (http://atl2.netfirms.com/engy/mutch/matrixlaw/hubbard.htm)
http://rexresearch.com/hubbard/hubbard.htm (http://rexresearch.com/hubbard/hubbard.htm)
http://amasci.com/freenrg/hubbard1.txt (http://amasci.com/freenrg/hubbard1.txt)
http://www.linux-host.org/energy/shubbard.html (http://www.linux-host.org/energy/shubbard.html)
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,1761.1450.html (http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,1761.1450.html)
http://www.zpenergy.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=2206 (http://www.zpenergy.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=2206)
Now its over here!
--giantkiller. To serve is the greatest reward!
As can be seen from here:
http://rexresearch.com/hubbard/hubbard.htm#usp1
Hubbard had used radium to enhance spark plugs,
so I now know, that he also used this technology in his coils
if he used spark gap contacts coated with radium the coils
get much more oscillation from the excited radioactive decay.
The same way worked the Morray device, just as a negative
resistor through excited radioactive decay in his radioactively
doped tubes ( diodes),
where the contact points were out of uranium doped materials.
Radiactive doped diodes can work as real negative resistors,
if RF bursts are applied.
The energy is extracted from the excited beta decay, which are
free electrons, which are added to the electrical circuit from the
radioactive decay. So it works as a real negative resistor= passive amplifier
without batteries !
Regards, Stefan.
Hello Marcel,
yes, I need money but I will NOT SELL MYSELF!!!!
This TPU is from Steven Mark and Im only a little guy working very hard on my TPU and thats all!!!
Otto
HI, Im new in this forum, and new on this type projects, im so darn curious!! can i ask for parts/components? coz i cant catch up on those beatings..... about the Magnet, could i use a speaker magnet for these?? sorry for being dumb, need some alot of info 1st. thnx
Quote from: CTG Labs on January 06, 2007, 06:21:36 AM
Perhaps I wasn't clear!
I agree with what you are saying, like phase motors, the TPU doesnt have a real rotating field. You can only get that by rotating a real magnet!
All we are doing is turning certain coils on and off at different times and compass can ride this effect making it appear to have a rotating field, but thats just a visual illusion.
So, I am not sure how this gyroscopic effect can appear, something unknown must be going on, which can only be a good sign?!
D.
On rotating magnetic fields and
mass rotation:
I believe you are missing a valuble quality of the nature of Copper which may shed light on this concept. The major weight of the copper atom lies in the nucleus. The nucleus of a copper atom is magnetic, but its electron shell is not magnetic but electric.
If you place copper in a rotating magnetic field one of two outcomes will happen. The copper will be physically dragged along with the moving magnetic field, or if the angle intersects wire at 90 degrees you will produce an electric flow. You get torsion or EM and the two are not the same.
The mass of the copper can thus be rotated without physically moving the copper device at the electron or matter bonding point.
As the moving magnetic field intersects a wire at 90 degrees the familiar kick will emerge. If you stretch this pulse out on your scope you will notice it is a series of sine waves at the NMR frequency. Maybe about 6 sine pulses at approximastly 5 Mhz.
Copper will act like a magnet at the Proton layer and it will follow a moving magnetic field, precessing around the polar alignment. These NMR pulses were discovered in the 50's by a nobel prize winner, and then abruptly forgotten, where down to now we still believe the myth that induction and diamagnetic fields happen only on the electron shell. Not true, the Proton is very much involved in this process.
Because the Proton will lag the turn of the magnetic field due to its higher mass we get a dragging effect from that layer that pulls the electron shell into a negative or dragged state. Induction lags in time frame, and the NMR rate is the factor by which it lags.
The TPU would seem to be turning the magnetic field in the copper atoms, using 90 degree pulsing coils. To make it turn completely over takes only a syncronized pulsing scheme. The magnetic field will rotate its poles through the collector wire loop. As the poles cross the wire no current will flow and energy will move into the torsion field, as the magnetic field moves past the 90 degree angle with the collector wire the energy will shoot into the electric field and the series of very high pulses will be shot down the wire as it crosses.
The TPU is embedded in cork to stop it from vibrating to pieces. Each time the magnetic field moves between the torsion state and the Electric state it creates a small jerk and makes a physical motion of the wires.
The TPU exhibits an inertial momentum, or gyro effect because its Proton layer is in a spinning motion of its magnetic poles, this creates a "forced precession". Best guess.
The entire mass of the copper is in rotation at the nucleus, this is one quality of copper making it an AG metal.
Dave L
Quote from: libra_spirit on March 28, 2007, 09:43:15 PM
Quote from: CTG Labs on January 06, 2007, 06:21:36 AM
Perhaps I wasn't clear!
I agree with what you are saying, like phase motors, the TPU doesnt have a real rotating field. You can only get that by rotating a real magnet!
All we are doing is turning certain coils on and off at different times and compass can ride this effect making it appear to have a rotating field, but thats just a visual illusion.
So, I am not sure how this gyroscopic effect can appear, something unknown must be going on, which can only be a good sign?!
D.
On rotating magnetic fields and mass rotation:
I believe you are missing a valuble quality of the nature of Copper which may shed light on this concept. The major weight of the copper atom lies in the nucleus. The nucleus of a copper atom is magnetic, but its electron shell is not magnetic but electric.
If you place copper in a rotating magnetic field one of two outcomes will happen. The copper will be physically dragged along with the moving magnetic field, or if the angle intersects wire at 90 degrees you will produce an electric flow. You get torsion or EM and the two are not the same.
The mass of the copper can thus be rotated without physically moving the copper device at the electron or matter bonding point.
As the moving magnetic field intersects a wire at 90 degrees the familiar kick will emerge. If you stretch this pulse out on your scope you will notice it is a series of sine waves at the NMR frequency. Maybe about 6 sine pulses at approximastly 5 Mhz.
Copper will act like a magnet at the Proton layer and it will follow a moving magnetic field, precessing around the polar alignment. These NMR pulses were discovered in the 50's by a nobel prize winner, and then abruptly forgotten, where down to now we still believe the myth that induction and diamagnetic fields happen only on the electron shell. Not true, the Proton is very much involved in this process.
Because the Proton will lag the turn of the magnetic field due to its higher mass we get a dragging effect from that layer that pulls the electron shell into a negative or dragged state. Induction lags in time frame, and the NMR rate is the factor by which it lags.
The TPU would seem to be turning the magnetic field in the copper atoms, using 90 degree pulsing coils. To make it turn completely over takes only a syncronized pulsing scheme. The magnetic field will rotate its poles through the collector wire loop. As the poles cross the wire no current will flow and energy will move into the torsion field, as the magnetic field moves past the 90 degree angle with the collector wire the energy will shoot into the electric field and the series of very high pulses will be shot down the wire as it crosses.
The TPU is embedded in cork to stop it from vibrating to pieces. Each time the magnetic field moves between the torsion state and the Electric state it creates a small jerk and makes a physical motion of the wires.
The TPU exhibits an inertial momentum, or gyro effect because its Proton layer is in a spinning motion of its magnetic poles, this creates a "forced precession". Best guess.
The entire mass of the copper is in rotation at the nucleus, this is one quality of copper making it an AG metal.
Dave L
Turbo,
What makes this flower grow?
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,1761.msg18738.html#msg18738
I also like the 4046 oscillator, but your schmatic has an error in it.
The clock input of the flip-flop is wrong.
Regards, Earl
Quote from: EMuntinga on December 13, 2006, 02:05:58 AM
hello guy's
i read the post for a wile and i think i have a nice and cheap solution.
it is a square wave from 0 to 1.5mhz
look at the schematics
drive it with a totempole and drive a fet
i tested the circuit and it is working perfect
so lo cost and built many as needed
greets
ernst muntinga
the netherlands
marco,
bak up one click, and read my last post!!! i know i didn't say a single word. but it is still worth backing up and re-reading dave's post. if there was anything i could add i would.
i still have a great reverence for your work from the early days!! thanks for all of the research!! i bet it still has something to do with the radient energy experiments that you pursued, when no-one else was even looking. Tesla's, experiments are documented in his patents, it is only a matter of time before they are duplicated. i think the one you duplicated is now being touted, by someone else, in the bbc!
don't give up because of the ignorance of others, like me. we all know you can find the answers! if we just allow you.
lol
sam
removed
Quote
As can be seen from here:
http://rexresearch.com/hubbard/hubbard.htm#usp1
Radiactive doped diodes can work as real negative resistors,
if RF bursts are applied.
The energy is extracted from the excited beta decay, which are
free electrons, which are added to the electrical circuit from the
radioactive decay. So it works as a real negative resistor= passive amplifier
without batteries !
Regards, Stefan.
Is this the latest theory for the Turbo TPU?
Had me thinking that maybe his computer monitor
that was on the table was generating static electricity
to power overunity and the oscillator? Is this possible?
Either that or maybe precharged capacitor overunity?
I"m clueless, but that's how Tesla began.
Doc
FWD:
Dave L had previously posted this article, and I am reposting it as a reference to this thread.
I don't know exactly why it was deleted earlier, but here it is again:
# paste ##
The Peculiar Nature of Copper:
On rotating magnetic fields and mass rotation:
I believe you are missing a valuble quality of the nature of Copper which may shed light on this concept. The major weight of the copper atom lies in the nucleus. The nucleus of a copper atom is magnetic, but its electron shell is not magnetic but electric.
If you place copper in a rotating magnetic field one of two outcomes will happen. The copper will be physically dragged along with the moving magnetic field, or if the angle intersects wire at 90 degrees you will produce an electric flow. You get torsion or EM and the two are not the same.
The mass of the copper can thus be rotated without physically moving the copper device at the electron or matter bonding point.
As the moving magnetic field intersects a wire at 90 degrees the familiar kick will emerge. If you stretch this pulse out on your scope you will notice it is a series of sine waves at the NMR frequency. Maybe about 6 sine pulses at approximastly 5 Mhz.
Copper will act like a magnet at the Proton layer and it will follow a moving magnetic field, precessing around the polar alignment. These NMR pulses were discovered in the 50's by a nobel prize winner, and then abruptly forgotten, where down to now we still believe the myth that induction and diamagnetic fields happen only on the electron shell. Not true, the Proton is very much involved in this process.
Because the Proton will lag the turn of the magnetic field due to its higher mass we get a dragging effect from that layer that pulls the electron shell into a negative or dragged state. Induction lags in time frame, and the NMR rate is the factor by which it lags.
The TPU would seem to be turning the magnetic field in the copper atoms, using 90 degree pulsing coils. To make it turn completely over takes only a syncronized pulsing scheme. The magnetic field will rotate its poles through the collector wire loop. As the poles cross the wire no current will flow and energy will move into the torsion field, as the magnetic field moves past the 90 degree angle with the collector wire the energy will shoot into the electric field and the series of very high pulses will be shot down the wire as it crosses.
The TPU is embedded in cork to stop it from vibrating to pieces. Each time the magnetic field moves between the torsion state and the Electric state it creates a small jerk and makes a physical motion of the wires.
The TPU exhibits an inertial momentum, or gyro effect because its Proton layer is in a spinning motion of its magnetic poles, this creates a "forced precession". Best guess.
The entire mass of the copper is in rotation at the nucleus, this is one quality of copper making it an AG metal.
Dave L
Nice post!
I had not seen this before...
Lindsay
Here is another which is very hard to keep up with, keeps vanishing:
Over Unity in Copper
http://magnetism.otc.co.nz/Overunity.htm
Hello all,
remember a year ago?
I mentioned the magnetism fateback site. Its the same.
Otto
Otto,
I just uploaded the two to archive.org; and please keep this in mind.
Keyword will be steven mark tpu overunity, of coarse
Mike
Hello all,
@sirmikey1
thanks.
I have just 1 comment. The kicks happens also when you pulse ONLY the collector(s), without the 90 degree control coils. There is then also a good light....
Otto
Quote from: otto on August 18, 2008, 07:12:57 AM
Hello all,
I have just 1 comment. The kicks happens also when you pulse ONLY the collector(s), without the 90 degree control coils. There is then also a good light....
Otto
Otto,
Just pondering why he did the 90 degree.
The youtube video below shows spinning copper tubing
and it's antigravity effect. Looks like he chose to avoid
the torsion effect, and to go for the EM. A few other things
may become obvious to you, like heat and vibration, and
such. Here is that video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=glCNP6qH_Dc
SM
Quote from: otto on August 18, 2008, 06:38:11 AM
Hello all,
remember a year ago?
I mentioned the magnetism fateback site. Its the same.
Otto
Yes!, Otto you did. I printed it off 1 year ago and have kept close to me.
And Marco posted the notch pvc coil. On the 2 Helmholtz coils are windings of 45 degrees. Absolutely amazing!
Thank you, friends.
--giantkiller. It was a pivotal document.