To all members,
I have posted at YouTube a demonstration of what I am trying to achieve: a proper device which will deliver the definite mechanical proof - without coils and battery - of magnetic overunity. The device works but still needs tuning and maybe some further developing to deliver the definite proof of a selfrunning status.
http://nl.youtube.com/watch?v=N_E822LpKsc
IPMM means Intelligently Pulsed Magnet Motor.
MAN-device stands for Magnetic Alternating Non-device. Non in the sense of not operating on a material impulse from the putside.
My idea is to catch the reaction force of the magnets in a loop. In the design I have now, I presented it with two stators, one a neodymium stave, one a ferrite horse shoe composite, one cakra rotor plate consisting of 8 diallel 'Johnson' moons, and a transmission or translator. The theory is that, as in Bearden's MEG, the stressed magnet field will deliver a replenishing of its field from the vacuum. Once this reaction force is properly addressed must it in a loop deliver a selfrunner. Please offer your comments.
AnandAadhar
My site, with more info: http://theorderoftime.org
YouTube page: http://nl.youtube.com/user/anandaadhar
@AnandAadhar
Again and again i have to read and make up my mind.
It is because your setup is working in many dimensions.
I dont know what to say but Welcome and thanks for sharing with us.
helmut
Hi AnandAadhar
Its all in the amount of force required for the timing.
One of the best presentations iv seen in a long time.
Thanks
pc
Hello,
I would like you to try something with your neo on the end of the arm if possible instead of using 1 neo could you use a hallback array of 4 square neo magnets and post results?
Thank You,
-infringer-
Quote from: infringer on April 09, 2008, 12:57:48 PM
Hello,
I would like you to try something with your neo on the end of the arm if possible instead of using 1 neo could you use a hallback array of 4 square neo magnets and post results?
Thank You,
-infringer-
I am going to revise the controller magnets in the translator part anyhow. I have also thought of a linear movement of a stave into a ringmagnet, as an option of acquiring the reactive force in a two-way fashion. I haven't concluded yet as to what would work best, an array as you say or such a linear thing. The translator is essential for raising the Reactve Force on which the machine is upposed to run.
AA
Quote from: helmut on April 09, 2008, 10:14:18 AM
@AnandAadhar
Again and again i have to read and make up my mind.
It is because your setup is working in many dimensions.
I dont know what to say but Welcome and thanks for sharing with us.
helmut
I am even considering to also appraoch it from the vertical dimension, to close in the reactive force in all three axes of space. It is the space energy after all.
AA
@AnandAadhar:
Thanks for sharing your thoughts. I just wonder why you manually, by your right hand, moves the stator 2 up and down during the test.
The device is somewhat complex, but I cannot see the function of stator 1 except being a load to the stator 2, and vica versa. It seems stator 1 and 2 is perfectly working against each other. The difference is torque vs. distance they move - like a transmission with two gear ratios - same energy but different speed and torque, if you know what i mean.
The spinning disc, with the magnets on it, I cannot see the benifits of that particular shape, as magnetism allways finds a way to equalize the N and S poles. I mean that S and N in a magnet is allways equal. Hence, you cannot use one pole without being affected by the other pole.
Please explain further your thoughts.
Cheers
Vidar
There are methods of shielding the affect of one side of the magnet is there not possibly coper sheeting made into a half of a box blocking the effect of one side and all the way around the other side....
I aint the super guru or nothing but I would assume it is possible to block the effect on one pole without effecting the other.
Anyhow good effort with the IPMM MAN once again.
ponder this:
A disc elevated able to spin with bearing as it spins it brings up 4 neo's at 90 degree intervals right on time having the proper sides shielded .....
Look at the build of a sterling engine to better get the picture but at the proper time they will meet opposite poles and push and as it pushes the retract back down then up like a piston....
Why not even ponder using sterling engine to possibly make up for the sticky spots in magnetic motors by using the heat generated from spin and friction I am sure its possible!
Quote from: Low-Q on April 09, 2008, 04:42:56 PM
@AnandAadhar:
Thanks for sharing your thoughts. I just wonder why you manually, by your right hand, moves the stator 2 up and down during the test.
The device is somewhat complex, but I cannot see the function of stator 1 except being a load to the stator 2, and vica versa. It seems stator 1 and 2 is perfectly working against each other. The difference is torque vs. distance they move - like a transmission with two gear ratios - same energy but different speed and torque, if you know what i mean.
The spinning disc, with the magnets on it, I cannot see the benifits of that particular shape, as magnetism allways finds a way to equalize the N and S poles. I mean that S and N in a magnet is allways equal. Hence, you cannot use one pole without being affected by the other pole.
Please explain further your thoughts.
Cheers
Vidar
The stator of the first arm (in the middle under the orange tape) is positioned right in the center of the disc which spinning itself out of the influence of that neo will deliver a back and forward movement of the arm because of the disc its polarity (black/white + & orange -). I demonstrate that setup in my other videos at Youtube. The point was to make a loop: the first stator moves the disc which drives the arm back and forth as a kind of back-emf, that movement makes the lever flip and moves the second arm which drives the cakra then again from the outside and thus the process can repeat itself endlessly on the condition that there is enough reaction force from the magnet fields being stressed in the loop. The setup needs to pressure the magnets in such a way that they escaping from it will deliver a constant imbalance. The diallel galaxy-like organization of the disc is essential, it won't properly spin on as well an inside as an outside stator impuls without.
Quote from: infringer on April 09, 2008, 05:41:48 PM
There are methods of shielding the affect of one side of the magnet is there not possibly coper sheeting made into a half of a box blocking the effect of one side and all the way around the other side....
I aint the super guru or nothing but I would assume it is possible to block the effect on one pole without effecting the other.
Anyhow good effort with the IPMM MAN once again.
ponder this:
A disc elevated able to spin with bearing as it spins it brings up 4 neo's at 90 degree intervals right on time having the proper sides shielded .....
Look at the build of a sterling engine to better get the picture but at the proper time they will meet opposite poles and push and as it pushes the retract back down then up like a piston....
Why not even ponder using sterling engine to possibly make up for the sticky spots in magnetic motors by using the heat generated from spin and friction I am sure its possible!
The essence of this machine is to alternate the polarities with the two stator movements up en down en back and forward, so that the sticky point is smoothly evaded by the spin of the cakra. Shielding I have found not necessary in this set-up as yet. But maybe in some respect of the evolution of this machine it will surface, that is very well possible... Harnessing heat sterling-wise is not directly the purely magnetic proof we are after. There will rather be cooling than heating once we suck the gravitons. The overunity is supposed to defeat the friction. But maybe that what you suggest proves the setup right in the end, that might very well be so.
Quote from: powercat on April 09, 2008, 11:54:09 AM
Hi AnandAadhar
Its all in the amount of force required for the timing.
One of the best presentations iv seen in a long time.
Thanks
pc
I agree, timing is the essence of putting the forces at work for us.
Quote from: AnandAadhar on April 10, 2008, 06:34:29 AM
Quote from: Low-Q on April 09, 2008, 04:42:56 PM
@AnandAadhar:
Thanks for sharing your thoughts. I just wonder why you manually, by your right hand, moves the stator 2 up and down during the test.
The device is somewhat complex, but I cannot see the function of stator 1 except being a load to the stator 2, and vica versa. It seems stator 1 and 2 is perfectly working against each other. The difference is torque vs. distance they move - like a transmission with two gear ratios - same energy but different speed and torque, if you know what i mean.
The spinning disc, with the magnets on it, I cannot see the benifits of that particular shape, as magnetism allways finds a way to equalize the N and S poles. I mean that S and N in a magnet is allways equal. Hence, you cannot use one pole without being affected by the other pole.
Please explain further your thoughts.
Cheers
Vidar
The stator of the first arm (in the middle under the orange tape) is positioned right in the center of the disc which spinning itself out of the influence of that neo will deliver a back and forward movement of the arm because of the disc its polarity (black/white + & orange -). I demonstrate that setup in my other videos at Youtube. The point was to make a loop: the first stator moves the disc which drives the arm back and forth as a kind of back-emf, that movement makes the lever flip and moves the second arm which drives the cakra then again from the outside and thus the process can repeat itself endlessly on the condition that there is enough reaction force from the magnet fields being stressed in the loop. The setup needs to pressure the magnets in such a way that they escaping from it will deliver a constant imbalance. The diallel galaxy-like organization of the disc is essential, it won't properly spin on as well an inside as an outside stator impuls without.
I just simplify this:
1. The arm will move left and right due to magnetic influence of a rotating magnet - the galaxy-disc.
2. This movement will influence on a second arm, via mechanics/transmission, in order to lift it when the disc is positioned in a manner that influence the second arm.
3. The procedure will repeat for each revolution of the disc.
What happens here?
My guess:
When the galaxy-disc influence the first arm, it will first face a counterforce, then an equal forward force. Gravity of the second arm will provide another counterforce via the transmission. The sum is negative.
When the second arm falls back, it will via the transmission, influence on the first arm, which now will again move in one direction + the magnetism from the galaxy disc. The sum is positive.
Since both arms are linked via the same transmission system, they alone will in sum be a "dead" mechanism which will not apply energy to the system, as you sum up force and counterforce. So left you have the galaxy-disc. Without applied force from the arms, via magnetism, the disc will not be able to do work.
The galaxy-disc are the energy "carrier" that applies energy to the arms in order to make them move in an approperiate manner. The very same energy, but with opposite sign is by the arms making the galaxy disc to a stop.
What is the problem?
The problem is that the energy applied from the disc, is perfectly counterforced by the required energy from the arms. To make this disc spinning by its own, is as I applied, by moving the arms out of sync, or out of phase of the system - but at a constant degree of phase difference. To do this, you must apply energy from a third energy source, from the outside - your hand.
I think you are blowing on your own sails, but keep working on this, and tune it up to the maximum. You know this machine better than me, so there is for sure several details I have overlooked.
Br.
Vidar
When this arm
Quote from: Low-Q on April 10, 2008, 12:47:05 PM
Quote from: AnandAadhar on April 10, 2008, 06:34:29 AM
Quote from: Low-Q on April 09, 2008, 04:42:56 PM
@AnandAadhar:
Thanks for sharing your thoughts. I just wonder why you manually, by your right hand, moves the stator 2 up and down during the test.
The device is somewhat complex, but I cannot see the function of stator 1 except being a load to the stator 2, and vica versa. It seems stator 1 and 2 is perfectly working against each other. The difference is torque vs. distance they move - like a transmission with two gear ratios - same energy but different speed and torque, if you know what i mean.
The spinning disc, with the magnets on it, I cannot see the benifits of that particular shape, as magnetism allways finds a way to equalize the N and S poles. I mean that S and N in a magnet is allways equal. Hence, you cannot use one pole without being affected by the other pole.
Please explain further your thoughts.
Cheers
Vidar
The stator of the first arm (in the middle under the orange tape) is positioned right in the center of the disc which spinning itself out of the influence of that neo will deliver a back and forward movement of the arm because of the disc its polarity (black/white + & orange -). I demonstrate that setup in my other videos at Youtube. The point was to make a loop: the first stator moves the disc which drives the arm back and forth as a kind of back-emf, that movement makes the lever flip and moves the second arm which drives the cakra then again from the outside and thus the process can repeat itself endlessly on the condition that there is enough reaction force from the magnet fields being stressed in the loop. The setup needs to pressure the magnets in such a way that they escaping from it will deliver a constant imbalance. The diallel galaxy-like organization of the disc is essential, it won't properly spin on as well an inside as an outside stator impuls without.
I just simplify this:
1. The arm will move left and right due to magnetic influence of a rotating magnet - the galaxy-disc.
2. This movement will influence on a second arm, via mechanics/transmission, in order to lift it when the disc is positioned in a manner that influence the second arm.
3. The procedure will repeat for each revolution of the disc.
What happens here?
My guess:
When the galaxy-disc influence the first arm, it will first face a counterforce, then an equal forward force. Gravity of the second arm will provide another counterforce via the transmission. The sum is negative.
When the second arm falls back, it will via the transmission, influence on the first arm, which now will again move in one direction + the magnetism from the galaxy disc. The sum is positive.
Since both arms are linked via the same transmission system, they alone will in sum be a "dead" mechanism which will not apply energy to the system, as you sum up force and counterforce. So left you have the galaxy-disc. Without applied force from the arms, via magnetism, the disc will not be able to do work.
The galaxy-disc are the energy "carrier" that applies energy to the arms in order to make them move in an approperiate manner. The very same energy, but with opposite sign is by the arms making the galaxy disc to a stop.
What is the problem?
The problem is that the energy applied from the disc, is perfectly counterforced by the required energy from the arms. To make this disc spinning by its own, is as I applied, by moving the arms out of sync, or out of phase of the system - but at a constant degree of phase difference. To do this, you must apply energy from a third energy source, from the outside - your hand.
I think you are blowing on your own sails, but keep working on this, and tune it up to the maximum. You know this machine better than me, so there is for sure several details I have overlooked.
Br.
Vidar
When this arm
If the Radiant Reaction from outside the system is challenged by the forces unable to escape in a constant disequilibrium, will it indeed look like the machine is blowing its own sails. Indeed the aim is to get my own hand out of the equation and let the hand of the ethereal force take over. So the real issue is to challenge that reaction force. Then we're done.
QuoteIf the Radiant Reaction from outside the system is challenged by the forces unable to escape in a constant disequilibrium, will it indeed look like the machine is blowing its own sails. Indeed the aim is to get my own hand out of the equation and let the hand of the ethereal force take over. So the real issue is to challenge that reaction force. Then we're done.
You need a constant unbalanced system. Nature have that bad habbit that it want to get everything in balance. In such condition is how for example an electric motors works. There is an unbalance between the energy source and the motor. As long the nature force these two in balance, the motor will run. When the energy source is at the same level as the energy in the motor, the motor will stop. Energy is relative, so two objects charged with the same amount of energy, will not do work. However, if those two objects was unevenly charged with energy, the least charged will "steal" energy from the most charged object, and as long this takes place, work is done. As there is a mass in the equation, this energy transportation will take time, but finally the energy difference is zero, then there is not work to be done.
This will also happen in your device. It consumes energy to make energy difference - disequilibrium, and that is done by using your hand to manually influence the system. Removing your hand, will most probably make the system to halt. I might overseen something, but this is as far I understand your system, and how it works.
Br.
Vidar
Quote from: Low-Q on April 13, 2008, 06:21:03 AM
QuoteIf the Radiant Reaction from outside the system is challenged by the forces unable to escape in a constant disequilibrium, will it indeed look like the machine is blowing its own sails. Indeed the aim is to get my own hand out of the equation and let the hand of the ethereal force take over. So the real issue is to challenge that reaction force. Then we're done.
You need a constant unbalanced system. Nature have that bad habbit that it want to get everything in balance. In such condition is how for example an electric motors works. There is an unbalance between the energy source and the motor. As long the nature force these two in balance, the motor will run. When the energy source is at the same level as the energy in the motor, the motor will stop. Energy is relative, so two objects charged with the same amount of energy, will not do work. However, if those two objects was unevenly charged with energy, the least charged will "steal" energy from the most charged object, and as long this takes place, work is done. As there is a mass in the equation, this energy transportation will take time, but finally the energy difference is zero, then there is not work to be done.
This will also happen in your device. It consumes energy to make energy difference - disequilibrium, and that is done by using your hand to manually influence the system. Removing your hand, will most probably make the system to halt. I might overseen something, but this is as far I understand your system, and how it works.
Br.
Vidar
Until the hand is removed that is so indeed. The purpose of the quest is to remove the hand and have it replaced by the reaction force trapped in the loop. Three forces of space energy are at play in its three dimensional different directions. When these are properly balanced, the fourth dimension of time is the only way to go for the energy inherent to the universe that is running through the magnets' poles: hence the Reaction Force is driven by time essentially. The point of these type of machines is that, if they work, they work BECAUSE there is a broken symmetry in the universe. The universe is moving because it wants to return to the original singularity. Normally the universe outsmarts us with our machined efforts by arresting our invitation to work for us on the account of the inertia of friction and poor balancing. The question thus is: can we be as smart as the universe? Can we create indeed such a challenge of forces and balance, in miniature comprehending the universal basics with the paradigm reflected in the machine, that the universe proves itself restless? This is the crude outline set-up for it to test this. Remember R. Finsrud already proved such a balance is possible. T. Bearden proved that the reaction force of stressed magnet fields is replenishing them from the vacuum and Bedini proved the electromechanics of the negative energy. So in fact it is all proven on all three levels of proof already, we are just too faithless, lazy and clumsy to follow consequently.
Quote from: Low-Q on April 13, 2008, 06:21:03 AM
QuoteIf the Radiant Reaction from outside the system is challenged by the forces unable to escape in a constant disequilibrium, will it indeed look like the machine is blowing its own sails. Indeed the aim is to get my own hand out of the equation and let the hand of the ethereal force take over. So the real issue is to challenge that reaction force. Then we're done.
You need a constant unbalanced system. Nature have that bad habbit that it want to get everything in balance. In such condition is how for example an electric motors works. There is an unbalance between the energy source and the motor. As long the nature force these two in balance, the motor will run. When the energy source is at the same level as the energy in the motor, the motor will stop. Energy is relative, so two objects charged with the same amount of energy, will not do work. However, if those two objects was unevenly charged with energy, the least charged will "steal" energy from the most charged object, and as long this takes place, work is done. As there is a mass in the equation, this energy transportation will take time, but finally the energy difference is zero, then there is not work to be done.
This will also happen in your device. It consumes energy to make energy difference - disequilibrium, and that is done by using your hand to manually influence the system. Removing your hand, will most probably make the system to halt. I might overseen something, but this is as far I understand your system, and how it works.
Br.
Vidar
Very good description Vidar. You are right on target describing the function of a motor and what must occur in order for it to run.
All dimensions, symetry, theory aside...
Lets use logic a lot of friction is in this system...
Some of this is friction that cannot be seen and I think it is the biggest culprit I aint no magnetic expert
but, simply have a look at any flux diagram for magnetics you will see a shit ton of unseen influence...
Here is some suggestions based on this:
Remove friction of moving joints of the arms by using magnetics to suspend the joints of the arm in the air.
Remove the friction of magnetic flux paths by directing the flux via semi shielding.
Possibly these things taken into account may do something ...
You have a lot of neo's in your setup there is a lot of influence which you do not see in this system I think that a lot of these influences cause undesireable drag on the system...
Finally for this to be over unity you must produce energy with it as well as keep it moving so you will have the influence of coils and other magnets underneath the disc to produce energy with it..
If this thing runs at 100% int will run continuously without the use of the hand other then the initial start and that may be taken into account when you talk about overunity as well so it may only be 99.9% overunity because the initial start took outside force...
This thing is rather interesting though but I am glad you are at the least honest about your system and did not take fishing line and try to influence your arm on the IPMM MAN with a second person creating a hoax. There are far too many trixsters in the energy market today.
I do not gaurentee anything though bud all that I will say is that everyone in this world knows that magnetics is not fully understood and knows that there is some way to create more energy then thermodynamic laws allow the writing is on the wall and has been for some 100 years!
Maybe the answer to the energy crisis is the IPMM MAN, TPU, Warden Cliff Tower Replication, Noblefuse or another nuclear fusion, Ball Lightning, maybe antimatter, LHC, solar research, wind research or a combination of differnt tech.
We must take into account the positives and negatives of all energy generation!
I really appreciate your efforts one must surely perspire on order to inspire!
-infringer-
By the way there is another imput source of energy that you are harnessing already I did not notice....
GRAVITY...
The counter wait is using the force of gravity in your machine as well ;) so weather you use a sterling engine or gravity it does not matter there is another power source being used...
anyhow just thought I would relay that as I didnt pay much attention to the counter weight but it must be factored in when we talk about unity of the device as well...
Just a heads up you will hear about it (in a more arrogant tone of course) if you do get it fully running on its own as well...
Quote from: AnandAadhar on April 13, 2008, 07:17:48 AM
Quote from: Low-Q on April 13, 2008, 06:21:03 AM
QuoteIf the Radiant Reaction from outside the system is challenged by the forces unable to escape in a constant disequilibrium, will it indeed look like the machine is blowing its own sails. Indeed the aim is to get my own hand out of the equation and let the hand of the ethereal force take over. So the real issue is to challenge that reaction force. Then we're done.
You need a constant unbalanced system. Nature have that bad habbit that it want to get everything in balance. In such condition is how for example an electric motors works. There is an unbalance between the energy source and the motor. As long the nature force these two in balance, the motor will run. When the energy source is at the same level as the energy in the motor, the motor will stop. Energy is relative, so two objects charged with the same amount of energy, will not do work. However, if those two objects was unevenly charged with energy, the least charged will "steal" energy from the most charged object, and as long this takes place, work is done. As there is a mass in the equation, this energy transportation will take time, but finally the energy difference is zero, then there is not work to be done.
This will also happen in your device. It consumes energy to make energy difference - disequilibrium, and that is done by using your hand to manually influence the system. Removing your hand, will most probably make the system to halt. I might overseen something, but this is as far I understand your system, and how it works.
Br.
Vidar
Until the hand is removed that is so indeed. The purpose of the quest is to remove the hand and have it replaced by the reaction force trapped in the loop. Three forces of space energy are at play in its three dimensional different directions. When these are properly balanced, the fourth dimension of time is the only way to go for the energy inherent to the universe that is running through the magnets' poles: hence the Reaction Force is driven by time essentially. The point of these type of machines is that, if they work, they work BECAUSE there is a broken symmetry in the universe. The universe is moving because it wants to return to the original singularity. Normally the universe outsmarts us with our machined efforts by arresting our invitation to work for us on the account of the inertia of friction and poor balancing. The question thus is: can we be as smart as the universe? Can we create indeed such a challenge of forces and balance, in miniature comprehending the universal basics with the paradigm reflected in the machine, that the universe proves itself restless? This is the crude outline set-up for it to test this. Remember R. Finsrud already proved such a balance is possible. T. Bearden proved that the reaction force of stressed magnet fields is replenishing them from the vacuum and Bedini proved the electromechanics of the negative energy. So in fact it is all proven on all three levels of proof already, we are just too faithless, lazy and clumsy to follow consequently.
Let's say you're right. You have finally found the critical balance. Then it runs forever. What happens if you load the machine in order to extract that "universe energy"? The machine is then suddenly in unbalace, and will stop. So what if the load isn't constant - what practical load is constant?
If the universe outsmart us, howcome you, or anyone for that matter, figured that out?
I can agree there is a non-symmetry universe, but the space is quite big, and the non-symmetry might be significant and useful over the distance of our solar system, but how much significant is the non-symmetry over a few inches of space? How much energy difference is there in the space a few inches apart? Next to nothing. Energy is relative, and the energy difference in a space not more than a few inches apart should be next to nothing - thus does not do proper work to even fight the slightest friction. Maybe I understand you incorrectly in your claim regarding the non-symmetrical universe.
Regarding Finsruds machine, this is just a piece of art, a heavy duty spring and a very heavy leaden weight. In other words a slow clock with very little loss - which is possible to wind up once in a while. The magnetism in that machine has nothing to do with the power source, but plays a roll regarding the pendulums to move right and as lossy less as possible. Finsrud hasn't denied my theory of his machine yet. I guess he would say something if I was wrong ;)
No offence @AnandAadhar, if you might misunderstand my intention with this or any of my replies. I am just very sceptic, and would like to questioning things all the time.
Keep working :)
Br.
Vidar
Quote from: Low-Q on April 13, 2008, 05:23:15 PM
Quote from: AnandAadhar on April 13, 2008, 07:17:48 AM
Quote from: Low-Q on April 13, 2008, 06:21:03 AM
QuoteIf the Radiant Reaction from outside the system is challenged by the forces unable to escape in a constant disequilibrium, will it indeed look like the machine is blowing its own sails. Indeed the aim is to get my own hand out of the equation and let the hand of the ethereal force take over. So the real issue is to challenge that reaction force. Then we're done.
You need a constant unbalanced system. Nature have that bad habbit that it want to get everything in balance. In such condition is how for example an electric motors works. There is an unbalance between the energy source and the motor. As long the nature force these two in balance, the motor will run. When the energy source is at the same level as the energy in the motor, the motor will stop. Energy is relative, so two objects charged with the same amount of energy, will not do work. However, if those two objects was unevenly charged with energy, the least charged will "steal" energy from the most charged object, and as long this takes place, work is done. As there is a mass in the equation, this energy transportation will take time, but finally the energy difference is zero, then there is not work to be done.
This will also happen in your device. It consumes energy to make energy difference - disequilibrium, and that is done by using your hand to manually influence the system. Removing your hand, will most probably make the system to halt. I might overseen something, but this is as far I understand your system, and how it works.
Br.
Vidar
Until the hand is removed that is so indeed. The purpose of the quest is to remove the hand and have it replaced by the reaction force trapped in the loop. Three forces of space energy are at play in its three dimensional different directions. When these are properly balanced, the fourth dimension of time is the only way to go for the energy inherent to the universe that is running through the magnets' poles: hence the Reaction Force is driven by time essentially. The point of these type of machines is that, if they work, they work BECAUSE there is a broken symmetry in the universe. The universe is moving because it wants to return to the original singularity. Normally the universe outsmarts us with our machined efforts by arresting our invitation to work for us on the account of the inertia of friction and poor balancing. The question thus is: can we be as smart as the universe? Can we create indeed such a challenge of forces and balance, in miniature comprehending the universal basics with the paradigm reflected in the machine, that the universe proves itself restless? This is the crude outline set-up for it to test this. Remember R. Finsrud already proved such a balance is possible. T. Bearden proved that the reaction force of stressed magnet fields is replenishing them from the vacuum and Bedini proved the electromechanics of the negative energy. So in fact it is all proven on all three levels of proof already, we are just too faithless, lazy and clumsy to follow consequently.
Let's say you're right. You have finally found the critical balance. Then it runs forever. What happens if you load the machine in order to extract that "universe energy"? The machine is then suddenly in unbalace, and will stop. So what if the load isn't constant - what practical load is constant?
If the universe outsmart us, howcome you, or anyone for that matter, figured that out?
I can agree there is a non-symmetry universe, but the space is quite big, and the non-symmetry might be significant and useful over the distance of our solar system, but how much significant is the non-symmetry over a few inches of space? How much energy difference is there in the space a few inches apart? Next to nothing. Energy is relative, and the energy difference in a space not more than a few inches apart should be next to nothing - thus does not do proper work to even fight the slightest friction. Maybe I understand you incorrectly in your claim regarding the non-symmetrical universe.
Regarding Finsruds machine, this is just a piece of art, a heavy duty spring and a very heavy leaden weight. In other words a slow clock with very little loss - which is possible to wind up once in a while. The magnetism in that machine has nothing to do with the power source, but plays a roll regarding the pendulums to move right and as lossy less as possible. Finsrud hasn't denied my theory of his machine yet. I guess he would say something if I was wrong ;)
No offence @AnandAadhar, if you might misunderstand my intention with this or any of my replies. I am just very sceptic, and would like to questioning things all the time.
Keep working :)
Br.
Vidar
First concern is to get it run, then we worry about things as harnessing and scaling. One step at a time.
Evolution proves that we become more and more smart in representing an abstract of the natural forces. So we eventually get as smart as to harness the space energy just like the aliens with their UFO's do without us having paradigmatic qualms.
The great forces of nature are represented at the molecular level also. Great oppositions in nature like expansion and contraction do also exist on that level, and thus also with magnetics, and so managing an imbalance at that level migth very well work.
My advise is be not too skeptical about e.g. Finsrud. That would harm your mindfulness about real effects. I trust him when he is saying he does not wind it up like a clock. He insists it runs for years now of its own without any way of charging the system. So when he catches the unrest between magnetism and gravity in his machine, I hold that for a true effect. Better believe and have the chance to find a similar way, then not to believe and be stuck. Isn't it? Better to have love and lost than not to have loved at all. That is the true nature of scientific experiment. And that is what I am trying; to be a faithfull scientist testing a hypothesis. More i cannot say or do really.
Quote from: infringer on April 13, 2008, 01:38:06 PM
By the way there is another imput source of energy that you are harnessing already I did not notice....
GRAVITY...
The counter wait is using the force of gravity in your machine as well ;) so weather you use a sterling engine or gravity it does not matter there is another power source being used...
anyhow just thought I would relay that as I didnt pay much attention to the counter weight but it must be factored in when we talk about unity of the device as well...
Just a heads up you will hear about it (in a more arrogant tone of course) if you do get it fully running on its own as well...
yes, it very well might work with the assistance of gravity, Fnsrud did that too. If it works that way it confirms his design of proving the restessness of those two natural forces. That's okay with me.
Quote from: infringer on April 13, 2008, 01:27:35 PM
All dimensions, symetry, theory aside...
Lets use logic a lot of friction is in this system...
Some of this is friction that cannot be seen and I think it is the biggest culprit I aint no magnetic expert
but, simply have a look at any flux diagram for magnetics you will see a shit ton of unseen influence...
Here is some suggestions based on this:
Remove friction of moving joints of the arms by using magnetics to suspend the joints of the arm in the air.
Remove the friction of magnetic flux paths by directing the flux via semi shielding.
Possibly these things taken into account may do something ...
You have a lot of neo's in your setup there is a lot of influence which you do not see in this system I think that a lot of these influences cause undesireable drag on the system...
Finally for this to be over unity you must produce energy with it as well as keep it moving so you will have the influence of coils and other magnets underneath the disc to produce energy with it..
If this thing runs at 100% int will run continuously without the use of the hand other then the initial start and that may be taken into account when you talk about overunity as well so it may only be 99.9% overunity because the initial start took outside force...
This thing is rather interesting though but I am glad you are at the least honest about your system and did not take fishing line and try to influence your arm on the IPMM MAN with a second person creating a hoax. There are far too many trixsters in the energy market today.
I do not gaurentee anything though bud all that I will say is that everyone in this world knows that magnetics is not fully understood and knows that there is some way to create more energy then thermodynamic laws allow the writing is on the wall and has been for some 100 years!
Maybe the answer to the energy crisis is the IPMM MAN, TPU, Warden Cliff Tower Replication, Noblefuse or another nuclear fusion, Ball Lightning, maybe antimatter, LHC, solar research, wind research or a combination of differnt tech.
We must take into account the positives and negatives of all energy generation!
I really appreciate your efforts one must surely perspire on order to inspire!
-infringer-
I have thought of magnetic frictionless contacts, they are more difficult to control but they offer a better chance to catch the reative force in the loop. So indeed i strive to minimize magnetic and mechanical attachment and friction.
Currents curbed by shielding I also consider, but as yet it is not difficult to stay away from that necessity by keeping a certain distance. Shielding certainy may improve the overall functioning. Important point.
Eventually make the thing produce energy is a secondary concern. First issue is to make it self-run, then we will worry about that.
Sure is that if this thing works quite a bag of magnetic tricks have to be employed. I'm not all so sure that I am to one to discover them all. But as a team it might happen. So keep me posted on your inspirations too. Thanks thus far for responding.
AA
@AnandAadhar: I will wait patiently. I hope you're right. keep up the good work :-)
br.
Vidar
Any progress on this motor?
vidar
Quote from: Low-Q on April 19, 2008, 05:57:30 PM
Any progress on this motor?
vidar
I am trying different configurations for the feedback loop now, with springs, magnets, the positioning of the two stators, a third stator next to the second one pushing the 'powerpoint' (the base of the orange moon), the polarity (which determines the direction of spin) and the force of gravity in balancing the system. Many options to be tested. It can take months to conclude to the best mechanical connection, if ever. It took Finsrud years to balance his magnets against gravity. As yet I haven't succeeded in making a decent 'muscle'; a kind of perfect balance between the flexing and the streching of the outer and inner arm, that is sensitive enough to respond to the pulse of the primal stator. I have the feeling that I am trying to create "Frankenstein's muscle", a mechanical heart ticking to the overunity pulse of the circulation of the cakra. (Live you monster!) But possibly the purely mechanical feedback will never catch the radiant reaction force efficiently enough because of insuffiently stressing the magnetic fields. And then is a 'by-pass' for this heart with a 'pacemaker' needed, viz. a collector of coils to utilize the energy delivered by the magnetic wheel (a Faraday's) and a capacitor positioned in a timer circuit to drive a solenoid to sustain the 'muscle'-action. All I know now is: I stepped this far forward, and I won't step back. Only progress is possible!
Fact is that I am not such an enthused tinkerer or electromechanic at all. I could use some help in this open source project. I see it all in my mind, but I am more a theoretical researcher who just has concluded to the possibility and wants to see it done to find closure. Is there any volunteer willing to help me with the engineering and eventual electromechanics of this design around here at this forum? It would be great if we at overunity.com could produce some cooperation of members like STEORN did, but then better, more reliable and replicalbe of course.
AA
Hey, MAN, I get very skeptical when the Youtube videos suddenly become unavailable! Also, any proof of magnetic overunity will not be near as complicated as this. The laws of nature are far too simple. The answer is staring us all right in the face, and is stated best by Bob Dylan. Any guesses?
Permanent magnets are just a crystal lattice of metal atoms that is manufactured by passing a dc current through the metal as it cools down.
Then the metal is exposed to an electromagnet produced flux generator to fill it up with well magnetic flux. Magnetic flux is just the response of the aether to potential energy distribution. The ambient magnetic field has to be overcome continously in order for potential energy to be released from mass which is the combination of both energy and antienergy. There is potential energy in conductors which is easy to extract. The ambient energy field of the Earth refills the conductor with potential energy. All that is needed is a magnetic disruption in the field about the conductor and the potential energy is translated.
Quote from: Dact on May 10, 2008, 12:20:48 AM
Hey, MAN, I get very skeptical when the Youtube videos suddenly become unavailable! Also, any proof of magnetic overunity will not be near as complicated as this. The laws of nature are far too simple. The answer is staring us all right in the face, and is stated best by Bob Dylan. Any guesses?
The YouTubes movies of this machine are available from my page http://nl.youtube.com/user/anandaadhar. They are in fine order.
Yes, Bob Dylan sang: 'the times are changing', also changing our machines into OU machines. If you consider the movement of planets as a proof of natural overunity, the proof is there already. Okay. But if we want to catch that energy in a machine we must make a balance of forces good enough to harness that universal restlessness. And that, as yet, is not as simple as we want. Know that the design 2.0 is the so-called bypass when the mechanical fails. First of all I try for the mechanical version. More simple we can't get than mechanically balancing magnets into OU.
Quote from: sparks on May 10, 2008, 01:00:24 AM
Permanent magnets are just a crystal lattice of metal atoms that is manufactured by passing a dc current through the metal as it cools down.
Then the metal is exposed to an electromagnet produced flux generator to fill it up with well magnetic flux. Magnetic flux is just the response of the aether to potential energy distribution. The ambient magnetic field has to be overcome continously in order for potential energy to be released from mass which is the combination of both energy and antienergy. There is potential energy in conductors which is easy to extract. The ambient energy field of the Earth refills the conductor with potential energy. All that is needed is a magnetic disruption in the field about the conductor and the potential energy is translated.
As for magnetic motors without coils and wire, are conductors in our case diamagnetic materials. Wesley Gary, a contemporary of Tesla, (see http://www.rexresearch.com/gary/gary1.htm) used this capacity to make his machine that was in fact the first real magnet motor. He noticed a reverse of the diamagnetic polarity when the materal passed a so-called neutral zone around a (composite) horseshoemagnet. This effect has been poorly understood indeed and has hardly been replicated. Al francour tried it but couldn't get the thing under control. (see http://keelynet.com/energy/gary2001.htm) I agree, we should learn more about this.
At YouTube http://nl.youtube.com/watch?v=pHWgxEFk2_g I have posted a video with an update on the progress with the IPMM cakra spinner. Two designs 2.2 and 3.0 are demonstrated. The electronic suggestion of 2.0 has been abandoned since a fully mechanical OU device was the plan. I have improved the feedback arm, and the stator arrangement. The stator movement is now circular instead of linear. The jerking and the need to control that has thus been overcome. This was achieved by employing a rotating stator bridge above the rotating disc. The preliminary conclusion is that rotation on rotation is the best way to drive the ipmm to make the overunity free energy experiment a success. No selfrunning status has been achieved yet though. A more carefully engineered balancing of forces, transfer mechanisms, weights, distances and strengths is needed. But there is concept development for what may be hoped to be the reliable, replicable proof of OU for the final sake of a eco-no-money future of free energy for 21th century mankind. Version history added to the video with the design drawings.
AnandAadhar
How is your motor development proceeding? Any news?
To harness energy from orbiting planets we can start with the moon. In Norway we have this already. It is called tidewave powerplants. Vidar
Quote from: Ergo on June 18, 2008, 04:09:34 AM
How is your motor development proceeding? Any news?
Please check my YouTube page http://nl.youtube.com/user/anandaadhar where I load my updates. I keep you posted. As said above I am now engaged in improving version 3 (see: http://nl.youtube.com/watch?v=pHWgxEFk2_g). I am making a version with MDF hardboard and properly bolted bearings. So there is less tape now. It has gained weight but also force. Endresult is as good as achieved yet but a stronger build. I also exeriment with improving direct feed back of the drag from the disc to the primary stator. I have a fast spinner now based on that, but the feedback needs further study. Two rotating magnet fields on top of each other make a 'skating effect' once on speed, which allows pretty strong magnets to spin very close. The feedback is supposed to regulate the force between the stator and the rotor. Without it it will never work. It is the bottle neck of the design. It gives me trouble. I'll make an update movie as soon I have some reasonable progress with the feedback.
By the way, can anybody do away with this embarassing 'incredible water motor' advertised to the left? The movie is clearly a fake (watch the yellow tape jumping with the cut) to catch us believers in paying for a design that doesn't work. It is like the Brady (Perendev) demonstration that fooled Stirling Allan and many others because he didn't notice something was happening behind the machine (see http://nl.youtube.com/watch?v=Ooa8EBXKDW4&feature=related).
AA
Quote from: Low-Q on June 18, 2008, 05:57:47 AM
To harness energy from orbiting planets we can start with the moon. In Norway we have this already. It is called tidewave powerplants. Vidar
If you pay attention to my free energy lecture on this (2-part 1: http://nl.youtube.com/watch?v=9Y3jwymwwFo) we, here at overunity.com are dealing with fourth generation sustainable energy technologies. Wind mills, solar energy and tidal plants clearly belong to the earliers generations. What we are engaged in here is the direct harnessing of space energy without an intermediate like the ocean.
AA
Well you've got an interesting and ingenious variation on the
ancient sunwheel idea. :)
Why exactly you want to make it 100% mechanical and not partly
solid state electronics is unclear to me, but of course it's your perogative.
In my opinion solid state non-moving OU electrical generators are what we
want, because they don't experience phyisical friction of the moving parts
and thus wear down less fast.
But that does not change the fact that you have an interesting approach. ;)
Keep up the good work! :)
Quote from: Koen1 on June 19, 2008, 05:43:25 AM
Well you've got an interesting and ingenious variation on the
ancient sunwheel idea. :)
Why exactly you want to make it 100% mechanical and not partly
solid state electronics is unclear to me, but of course it's your perogative.
In my opinion solid state non-moving OU electrical generators are what we
want, because they don't experience phyisical friction of the moving parts
and thus wear down less fast.
But that does not change the fact that you have an interesting approach. ;)
Keep up the good work! :)
Well I don't have to do what Bearden and Bedini have done. They did their share in proving the OU case. What we need for education is the mechanical version. I believe it is possible to have a mechanical translation of the Bedini and Bearden proofs: stressing fields:>reaction force> overunity. In stead of an electronic circuit a magnetic circuit. I know it is not interesting for an efficient production of energy directly, but the mechanical proof is the final drop for the paradigm to break through. When we have an easy schoolboy demonstration replicable version, then will all teachers have to explain why that works. That is it. We don't just corner the fields into OU, but also the sitting powers...that's my plan.
Quote from: AnandAadhar on June 19, 2008, 04:02:33 AM
If you pay attention to my free energy lecture on this (2-part 1: http://nl.youtube.com/watch?v=9Y3jwymwwFo) we, here at overunity.com are dealing with fourth generation sustainable energy technologies. Wind mills, solar energy and tidal plants clearly belong to the earliers generations. What we are engaged in here is the direct harnessing of space energy without an intermediate like the ocean.
AA
Hi,
I see. I was refering to this:
QuoteIf you consider the movement of planets as a proof of natural overunity, the proof is there already. Okay. But if we want to catch that energy in a machine we must make a balance of forces good enough to harness that universal restlessness.
I thought you ment that there is energy in the movements of the planets. They are as we know in a perfect balance between gravity and centripetal force. They contain only static kinetic energy as long as they can freely orbit the sun without altering direction, speed etc. due to other forces than gravity from other planets. However, they are in fact slowing down due to friction through gasses, astroides, and so on. They are quite heavy so the process takes a few weeks to a complete stop ;D
In other words: I do not really understand how you can harness space energy. Where do you find a potential difference as big as the universe? If so, this difference will force to equalize, and in this process you can convert that equalizing energy potentials into mechanical movement. I mean that harnessing energy can only be done where you have a potential energy difference. I can't see where you can find that out of thin air (space).
Vidar.
Quote from: Low-Q on June 19, 2008, 05:14:59 PM
Hi,
I see. I was refering to this:I thought you ment that there is energy in the movements of the planets. They are as we know in a perfect balance between gravity and centripetal force. They contain only static kinetic energy as long as they can freely orbit the sun without altering direction, speed etc. due to other forces than gravity from other planets. However, they are in fact slowing down due to friction through gasses, astroides, and so on. They are quite heavy so the process takes a few weeks to a complete stop ;D
In other words: I do not really understand how you can harness space energy. Where do you find a potential difference as big as the universe? If so, this difference will force to equalize, and in this process you can convert that equalizing energy potentials into mechanical movement. I mean that harnessing energy can only be done where you have a potential energy difference. I can't see where you can find that out of thin air (space).
Vidar.
Planets move because of the space energy of the relative ether. Ether is a spacial force field. The basic three ethers are: the expanding time space, the contracting universal space, and the local forcefield of curved space around the cosmic condensate of the stars and planets. All matter is a condensation of the primal energy of the ether. The basic idea of harnessing the space energy of the relative ether is simple: the magnet polarizes the space around it in a static fashion. Space energy is chaotic: it bubbles as Bearden says, it goes in every direction, but magnets create order in that energy and make the magnet do work. Thus we have the dipole. Harnessing that dipole has to be done in magnetic alternation working a load in such a way representing the three forms of ether that the poles are not allowed to stick; as Bearden says: don't kill the dipole. The primal stator figures for the centrifugal expanding force. The feedback secondary stators stand for the creative or controlling centripetal force (weaker in effect than the first one). The spinning disc stands for the cyclic of the local order. Thus we make two magnet fields spinning on top of each other, the moving stator and rotor, we make them chase each others sticky point eventually using drag and eddy currents to stick the two together. That point becomes the powerpoint, it becomes the advantage, not the hindrance. Thus we have momentum. The real problem is the timing and control of that energy in the magnetic circuit balancing the forces of the ether, otherwise the two fields (or forces) run out of sync and are we thus misrepresenting the universal forces and will we never get our hand (the start-up engine) out of the equation. The electronic circuit of the MEG proves the energy can be caught and used. The question is: can we do that same thing in a magnetic circuit timing the momentum and thus make the passive force a reactive force, as Bedini calls it, to do work for us?
Remember: the basic hypothesis we are testing here is:
stressed magnet fields replenish from the vacuum. That is what we are trying to confirm. That is the source of the OU we are looking for. Bearden proved this thesis solid state electronically, Bedini proved the 'ether gas' electromechanically with coils and batteries. Now the final proof of the mechanics of magnets alone delivering OU in a circuit containing a load is to be delivered. If easily replicable, then we are done with the paradigm in a scientific way. Research, Theory, hypothesis and then the experiment to confirm, to prove, that what thus has been assumed to be true is true.
AA
I have posted at YouTube my trials with the IPMM MAN device. Finally the ideal concept of feedback was found resulting with version 4.0 in the conclusion that by this type of design no magnetic overunity can be found. I rest my case.
See the vids part 1 & 2
http://nl.youtube.com/watch?v=NVap7HFc4ig
http://nl.youtube.com/watch?v=mpXnPXqKYYc&feature=related
AA
Sadly I was hoping to see the oneway bearings at work in version 4.0 to remove the backlash :(
Quote from: Harvey on July 22, 2008, 03:31:40 AM
Sadly I was hoping to see the oneway bearings at work in version 4.0 to remove the backlash :(
First I was sad too, but now I understand with this exclusion that feeding the force of magnetism back onto itself always leads to a stall for an easily replicable selfrunner. What is won is that this result nicely narrows the avenue of research, so that we with more determination can work for our goal. Pure magnetic overunity is not impossible though, but it takes high speeds and refined magnetisation as with Searl's selfrunner (cross-magnetisation and over 300 rpm needed). Searl's machine maybe called a 'graviton converting centrifuge'. That is okay for industry and commerce. But it disqualifies for an easy replication needed for demonstrations in an educational setting and thus will not serve our purpose. The proof delivered by the IPMM negative outcome excludes the way of Brady, Johnson and other oneway purely magnetic concepts like the OCMPMM. Feeding the same force upon itself will the easy way never reliably deliver overunity energy. In a normal setup that you and I can follow in engineering and reasoning are at least two forces needed. That I have proven now. Two basic forces of nature constituting the relative of the ether. The relative easily gives the energy, not so much the absolute of one force driven to an extreme. The concept of draining an absolute ether (the primal ether of expansion) we have to drop for our purpose. What thus remains are the options of Finsrud and Hamel. They use the force of gravity (the universal ether of centripetal force) in relation to magnetism (the local ether of cyclic time) to create a chronic imbalance and thus arrive at a selfrunning status. I have now a design in mind to try a simplified version of Hamel's Gravito Magnetic Device. So there will be no IPMM-MAN upgrade anymore, but maybe a GMAN device for the proof of gravito-magnetic overunity 1.0. If I get it to work that is. I'll start another page here at overunity.com for that concept when my experimenting has lead to something appreciable.
AA
Instead of making my own page i'll post my ideas on a possible Hamel GMD at the Hamel Generator page.
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,5011.msg114847.html#msg114847
AA
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You cannot make a motor self run by it's own. No matter how you arange the magnets the forces will eventually find equilibrium.
Speed doesn't matter in this case. When loaded down to perform work it will stop even faster, if not immediately.
I have studied the movies and drawings on the Searl object. I'm sorry to tell you that there is nothing remarkable going on there.
All movement is simply induced by the surrounding C-shaped electromagnets. It is a simple but funny looking regular electric motor.
No overunity at all. And no other "anti gravity" forces either for that matter. They are just looking for "easy to fool" investers.
Quote from: AnandAadhar on July 22, 2008, 04:21:39 AM
Pure magnetic overunity is not impossible though, but it takes high speeds and refined magnetisation as with Searl's selfrunner (cross-magnetisation and over 300 rpm needed). Searl's machine maybe called a 'graviton converting centrifuge'.
AA
Quote from: Ergo on July 22, 2008, 09:34:23 AM
You cannot make a motor self run by it's own. No matter how you arange the magnets the forces will eventually find equilibrium.
Speed doesn't matter in this case. When loaded down to perform work it will stop even faster, if not immediately.
I have studied the movies and drawings on the Searl object. I'm sorry to tell you that there is nothing remarkable going on there.
All movement is simply induced by the surrounding C-shaped electromagnets. It is a simple but funny looking regular electric motor.
No overunity at all. And no other "anti gravity" forces either for that matter. They are just looking for "easy to fool" investers.
You really should be "cogito ergo sum", and study the replication the russians Sergi Mikhailovich Godin and Vladimir Vitalievich Roschin of the Russian Academy of Science in Moskow made. http://www.rexresearch.com/roschin2/roschgod.htm and http://www.rexresearch.com/roschin2/roschgod.htm Their machine, called the Magneto-gravitational converter (MGC), was patented by them http://www.google.com/patents?id=cIQRAAAAEBAJ&dq=6,822,361. It was a selfrunner after 300 rpm requiring a load to keep it under control and manifested more special effects like a loss of weight and luminescence. For more articles, see: http://rexresearch.com/searl3/searl.htm. Searl is for real, believe it.
AA
Maybe i'll reopen the IPMM case with an 5.0 version of implementing the Achilles Ligeras/Dave Squires concept. So the loop would be pulsed by the piston that is placed in response to the cakra pulsing off-center. Will it work? I'll try a design and keep you posted if it does.
see threads:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=5671.new#new
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=5674.0;topicseen
AA
It's peculiar that an induction motor can deliver torque up to 90 percent efficiency. The other 10 percent is lost as heat from the windings and bearings and steel cooling fan and conductor heating noise both mechanical and electrical. These motors don't even utilize the b magnetic field produced by the winding coils and often this field results in stator tooth heating and end lamination heating. I don't think it would take too much redesign to push it over the top.
No where in this motor design is it taken into account the intrinsic energy of the mass. A piece of copper wire is not without potential energy stored in it's atomic lattice as is the iron void of intrinsice energy.
Quote from: AnandAadhar on November 13, 2008, 05:24:33 AM
Maybe i'll reopen the IPMM case with an 5.0 version of implementing the Achilles Ligeras/Dave Squires concept. So the loop would be pulsed by the piston that is placed in response to the cakra pulsing off-center. Will it work? I'll try a design and keep you posted if it does.
see threads:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=5671.new#new
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=5674.0;topicseen
AA
I have posted a YouTube movie on design IPMM 5.0. In this design I have added a Squires drive to alternate the feedback. That results in a working model. In this I add up the cakra-pulse to the pulse of the Squires drive. That offers a wave function in which the peak might lead to an OU effect. The control function in 5.0 is served by gravity in the form of a pendant. That offers an extra need to tune the frequencies. As yet I have not succeeded to sufficiently control this complicated wave function and deliver proof of OU with the IPMM. What is won though is a machine with a reasonable pulse control and spin down. The best version thus far. Stephan commented on YouTube that the design would be too complicated. Yes simplicity is a wanted thing, but I need to try to add the two pulses with gravity now and that is an evolutionary complication of the IPMM that is given by my course. We'll see if I can get it simple. At the other hand I also have thought to need the skills of a clock maker to control the stator/rotor difference in forces to have it chase its own reaction force. That certainly wouldn't be a simple matter. Ever tried to disassemble and reassemble a clock mechanism? Think of Findsud's complicated balancing game to achieve the selfrunning status with magnetism and gravity...
Under the thread of the similar ALME drive I have posted a suggestion for a replication. I'm not sure what I'll do next IPMM or ALME. For ALME the video proof is lacking, so a replication would be an off-side offense in terms of soccer, not?
See :
YouTube for IPMM 5.0:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X2pdnkfrNv0
URL of the suggested ALME replication:
http://theorderoftime.com/science/free_energy/support-files/ALME-repl.html
Sterling's ALME thread:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=5674.0;topicseen
Magnet motor real? (ALME/Squires discussion):
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=5671.0;topicseen
My free energy research pages:
http://theorderoftime.com/science/free_energy/index.html
I have loaded an analysis of Finsrud's device with my conclusions about the basic principles of the device. This led to a version IPMM 6. This version is still under construction. What is demonstated was just to explain the basic principles of the 'Finsrud-accord' to work with IPMM 6.
Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E9GucVwc36Q
I love the original. Lots of duct tape and rough cut plastic, this is what the world waits for in engineers, physicists and all pioneers of technology. People absolutely have to be completely outside the book on physics since they really don't know shit. Even Einstein only caught on to like .9 percent of all human knowledge. The information has to combined with common sense to be pushed forward. I believe that traditional educations run people into walls of possibility and grind down the imagination which, all these assholes seem to forget, is why we have physics and math in the first place. Advancement has always been the keen observance of nature. That first video is an example of why other life forms are even interested in us, it's because of our ingenuity. The so called great minds are usually bought and paid for and the rogue scientists are shunned by their community, just like Tesla was. We should all look to his work for guidance, even though the feds stole almost all of it when he died. We are close here, very close! I have seen many designs and devices that are on the head of the universal needle
Quote from: The_Jerk on February 15, 2009, 02:53:30 AM
We are close here, very close! I have seen many designs and devices that are on the head of the universal needle
But still light years away because this device was never even close to be working....
Quote from: Ergo on February 15, 2009, 04:02:11 PM
But still light years away because this device was never even close to be working....
I agree, I'm light years away from a working device, but I've not given it up yet. I am still convinced this drive offers an advantage that is not sufficiently explored. After all is it with its magnetic vortex an improved Hamel disc that allows one of the two (stator/rotor) to be fixed. At present I am experimenting with version 7: I fix the stator here, but have put the plate on a swing so that gravity is more involved as with 5 & 6 and thus Finsrud's principles can be better respected. As yet there is nothing conclusive I can say about this attempt apart from the fact that I am a quantum mechanical nerd who has to learn a lot. On YouTube someone said he would try it with an electromotor to see whether the little force required to move the plate can be delivered by the spin of the disc. Even though that is against my findings in version 4, and I am convinced that only involvement of a second force like gravity can have success, might it still work with electricity feeds in some Bedini-like schematic. I will keep it posted here if that leads to anything.
:D This IPMM crop circle appeared 29 April in 2009 at Wiltshiire Roundway Hill, in Oilseed field, U.K. (© Lucy Pringle). Now this puzzles me very much. Sterling Allen at http://pesn.com/2009/05/03/Mylow-magnet-motor_crop-circle/ thought a similar circle indicative of Mylow's latest pattern, because at that date his magnet motor was uploaded at YouTube. But I think this circle resembles very much my IPMM cakra disc, precisely the way I've been experimenting with it lately. See IPMM version 5 and 6 version at the end of my Finsrud study-video where I have a likewise big gap in the middle, using a ring magnet as stator. My disc has at the moment 14 banana wings, while the circle shows eighteen. The concentric circles correspond with the stack of ring magnets I was experimenting with the other day. I have built a better rotor disc now for testing Mylow's claims, but I will also test this design with the better rotor plate. How remarkable a coincidence! Aliens confirming my design!
IPMM 6-Finsrud video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E9GucVwc36Q&feature=channel_page
IPMM 5 -Squires version http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X2pdnkfrNv0&feature=channel_page
Sterling Allen confusing the IPMM-circle with the Mylow circle.
http://pesn.com/2009/05/03/Mylow-magnet-motor_crop-circle/
Mylow circle thread:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=7162.msg176200#msg176200
Lucy Pringle's Photos
http://www.lucypringle.co.uk/photos/2009/apr.shtml
Quote from: AnandAadhar on May 04, 2009, 08:12:20 AM
Aliens confirming my design!
But we all know crop circles are man-made. It's been confirmed over and over.
There are no aliens or alien manifestations.
A small update. I am presently at version IPMM 11. Previous versions engaged double cakra discs in alternate action for testing timing differences and pendulums with transfer mechanisms for testing, exploring and understanding the Finsrud principles. None of the designs worked but taught me to focus better on the essence of what the magnet motor principles would be. I don't post movies or initiate discussions here of that anymore because I don't want to advertise failures any longer. I am presently with design IPMM 11 trying a combination of a Johnson stator track and a cakra controlled rotor which conserves the magnetic reaction force and makes the rotor unidirectional with a clear spin preference depending on a time difference. I'll keep you posted on positive results, otherwise I remain silent.
AA
I have arrived now at version IPMM sixteen in which I try to employ a flat disc oscillator to amplify the pulse for the disc in its loop. For version number 14, I posted a video on YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lYAKzW0H2yY
In this video I test the subject rotation by oscillation to economize (and amplify) the pulse in my feedbackmechanism. At present for design 16 I am unlinkuing the dynamics of the gravity oscillation and the magnetic stator/rotor transfer. In the video of IPMM 14 they are still linked. IPMM 14 looks fairly simple but unlinking the two dynamics gives a more complicated design. Version 15 was a first attempt at a Finsrud replication. I am completely unsatisfied about it and will not post the video of it. Too arguable. Checking Milkovic two phase pendulum I now investigate the oscillator he has in common with Finsrud. Can it be of complementary action in the IPMM setup so that time will manifest as kinetic energy when we oppose gravity with magntism? That is the research question I am testing now. Maybe later a more thorough Finsrud replication will follow when design IPMM 16 fails. I'll keep you friends posted with videos on real progress.
See also the Milkovic discussion:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=1763.new;topicseen#new
My first Milkovic trial to loop:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HJsXLiLNJHA&feature=related
Quote from: Ergo on May 04, 2009, 12:18:25 PM
But we all know crop circles are man-made. It's been confirmed over and over.
Interesting. Please provide a link to the evidence for this.
So many of the concepts depicted in crop circles
are so far above the conceptual intelligence of locals,
that it becomes excessively improbable quite quickly
mere mortal "Local's" even had the art to re-create.
If you have the noodle to portray such advanced concepts
with both visually and mathamatically sound principles in ONE PIC.
Your not out in some field fartin' around with crop circles...
My interpretation of the above shows the natural spiraling
magnetics of "magnetic current" in velocity around cores.
If you could look at the end of a wire straight on
while it was conducting cold electricity through it,
the force lines would look just like that.
We tend to only think of one electroplated metal
on a wire core of another metal.
Silver on copper, copper on iron, etc.
What if the point is more than one outer layer ?
Quote from: Ergo on May 04, 2009, 12:18:25 PM
But we all know crop circles are man-made. It's been confirmed over and over.
There are no aliens or alien manifestations.
Not necessarily, below is a video showing a crop formation being made during the day likely from above with no humans on the ground. There was purportedly no tampering of the video tape itself.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9SJvVW8s_Oc&feature=related
Its a little off topic but as far as the crop circles go, obviously some are a hoax but there are a whole bunch that cannot be easily explained away.
Just my two cents.
A short update about the IPMM, just to show that this thread is not dead and I am still on the job.
At present I have arrived at the IPMM 16.6. I have successfully linked the rotor to a pendulum of about two kg. The pendulum now drives the rotor with ease. The fixed frequency of the pendulum results in a fixed amplitude of the rotor output. Several 16.x designs to close the loop with the two basic forces of gravity and magnetism have failed as yet. But I still have good hopes to succeed. As you might know I am still testing the (Finsrud) hypothesis that magnetism and gravity combined will result in an overunity response of kinetically manifesting time energy/space energy/dark energy once the proper arrangement to engage these complementary basic forces of nature is found. Preliminary conclusion is that this can only be true if I engage a flat oscillator with centrifugal force to break through the sticky point of the rotor. The oscillator on the output of the rotor stores the reaction force and releases its energy when needed so that the rotor stabilizes and thus properly timed can be driven by the pendulum. But the great classical 'sin' of closing the loop, is the big hurdle. There are so many options to test.... No video's about my failed attempts as yet, not to burden you with the false hopes that are reserved for me only. A meditator should not desire results but a proper meditation.
IPMM 20 - 14 nov 2012 Update : a few minutes of keyhole video just to show you the progress I have made last year with the IPMM project. What is seen is an improved cakra magnet rotor built from neodymium magnets which can push/pull twelve kilo's or more. The pendulum with four neodymium rod stator magnets driving it has been improved into what can be called a lever pendulum of four times the 3 kg weight weight of the disc including its inertial controller (counterweight). Two long connected pendulums give a thorough push to two shorter separate ones. The output under the disc is supposed to deliver sufficient torque to keep the long pendulums out of the middle, so that with their leverage a rectification of Space Energy can be achieved. What needs to be done is the final part that closes the loop. The actual bottleneck to prove or disprove the theory underlying this test is to make the snake bite its own tail. Closing the loop is the problem in this type of design. In previous versions this could not be achieved. This part took Finsrud twelve years to complete.
The theory goes that time energy - the expansive operation of the fourth dimension - manifests in the complementary relationship between gravity and electromagnetism that is controlled by inertia. What I am trying to do is to build a mechanical rectification circuit for converting time energy, the restlessness of the chaotic vacuum, into kinetic energy. If it works the existence of something like time energy, the supposed cause of universal manifestation, has been proven. Is such a rectification, just like that of DC current into AC current, possible? The basic idea is that macrocosmic and microcosmic spin is ruling all matter and that there is no reason to suppose that the laws of nature governing that spin would not be effective on the mesocosmic level of a table top experiment.
Vishnu Yantra is Sanskrit for ether machine. G.O.D. Refers to the Generation, Operation and Dissipation of the three basic modes of nature: creation, maintenance and destruction. The lever pendulum creates the spin, the rotor maintains the drive by its reaction force and the dissipation is taken care of by the feedback mechanism that must close the loop: that what Finsrud calls the 'vibrational feedback unit'. The machine in fact puts the Vedic Philosophy to the test of a threefold concept of time and space referring to these modes as the characteristics of the three primary gods of Hinduism. Hence the name.
The schematic of the setup shows the formula I at present try to validate with this test. There were many modifications of it in previous versions.
Youtube:
http://youtu.be/i5Vr4bVZcgk (http://youtu.be/i5Vr4bVZcgk)
For more information see:
http://theorderoftime.com/science/free_energy/index.html (http://theorderoftime.com/science/free_energy/index.html)