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Dear Stephan,

You sound and write like a sincere guy. So, I’m going to be honest with you as well. I don’t run a sugar factory and hence I will not sugar coat it for you. The gloves are off!
I am no longer interested in documenting my fail attempts to verify other people’s claims. They should’ve provided scientific proof to their claims to begin with! It would be like me providing evidence that I am innocent! It doesn’t work that way. At least not as far as science is concerned.

This John Bedini is a scam artist. Tom Bearden is an old man who thinks the Chinese are out to get him with particle weapons!
Do a search â€Ã...“John Bedini scamâ€Ã, on Google and read through what others have to say about him.
All these people including Peter Lindeman and the rest of the so called â€Ã...“Free energyâ€Ã, researchers do this because there is money in it. They can make money giving useless mumbo-jumbo theories in free energy symposiums and lectures, video tape the lecture and sell the DVD on top of the fees they collect for giving the lectures. After all, they have 30+ years of experience and that counts for something, right?
While the rest of us report to work everyday and earn our paycheck the hard way (the honest way).
The signs are all there. This Radiant Energy is supposedly not registered in any conventional test equipment by their own admittance! But Bedini makes a showcase with his â€Ã...“h-Wavesâ€Ã, showings on the scope in the â€Ã...“energy from the vacuum seriesâ€Ã, part #2 and a lot more inconsistencies I won’t go into at this time pending the outcome of the law suite.

I’ve thought a lot in the past few days about this subject based on my original post on your site and the private emails I've gotten.
The more I think about it, the more convinced I become that these people are sharks feeding on the hopes and dreams of the gullible and/or the uneducated.

It breaks my heart to see and hear the enthusiasm in the voices of these young hopeful men when watching their videos on youtube. I know they mean well but will not succeed and they will end up with broken hearts and dashed dreams. Although I never posted on youtube, I can relate to them. I want you young men to know that I care for you. Don’t be discouraged and put off by these con artists. They don’t represent the scientific minds. Study and go to school if possible to be able to see through crackpots like Bedini and alike by demanding scientific proof and recognizing the difference between truth and pseudo scientific explanations.

If this was any other field, I would bite my tongue and leave it alone as I have watching other scam unfold, and let nature sort it out. But since it has to do with free energy and at this critical stage of humanity, with so many young lives at stake, I can not, and will not standby and see our young and fruitful minds be wasted and raped from the true pleasure of discovery.
You see, these con-men are doing more harm than visible on the surface.
When a young man becomes infatuated by a cult leader like Bedini and other scammers, he dives in and wants to please himself and his pears with his accomplishments. He will post patriotic article, videos, etc to prove his worthiness to the clan and the cult leaders.
When this is all based on a hoax and a scam, sooner or later, he will have to face the bitter fact that his trials are not getting him anywhere. If he is lucky, he will realize this before his short life expires.
Even then, the bad taste in his mouth will prevent him from pursuing real and genuine free energy research. He might become a bitter old man or a bum as years go by!
I could go on explaining what detrimental effects these sorts of scams would have on the human psyche but I won’t and leave that for the court room. I think you and your readers are intelligent enough people to read between the lines.

This will not stand with me. I have decided to take these scammers head on and face the consequences. I’ve contacted a few attorneys in California to see if they would be willing to take on a class action law suit against Bedini, Bearden and Lindemann and I await their responses. It’s a start.
I am preparing documents to file with the US attorney general and a few national consumer watchdogs to see if there would be any way to stop these people before it gets out of hand.
Stephen, as I said before, I think you are doing a great service to this branch of science with your site. However, if you decide to censor me, I will have no choice but to consider you as â€Ã...“scammer sympathiserâ€Ã, and add you to the list of the â€Ã...“free-thinkingâ€Ã, enemies. From your replies, I am sure this not to be the case. Worst case, I will post in other forums.

I am not some mentally ill looking for revenge. I bought all their DVD’s and books gathering evidence against them after their claims failed scrutiny and after I put in the work as directed and saw no results.
I purchased the renaissance charger RC-2A12 and reversed engineered it despite the fact that it was drowned in black potting epoxy to keep the prying eyes out. Thank God for my sand blaster!

There is NOTHING novel about this charger that you couldn’t buy on the Internet today that has not been available for over 30 years.

Stephan, here is what I need.
I need people who have experimented with devices of John Bedini, Tom Bearden and Peter Lindemann and have failed, to come forward and post their experiences. I may be able to get them compensation for their failed efforts even if they did not build units to the exact specifications.
@all: Please contact me using this public forum (to keep an open public record) if interested.
However, if you are one of these people’s cult members and want to protect your ideal leader, take this message to him.
â€Ã...“I am on to youâ€Ã,.
@cultmembers: Do what you must to discredit me and flame me all you want and I’ll do what I must to see your leaders convicted of fraud and hopefully behind bars where they belong.

Justice will be served one way or anotherâ€Ã,¦

I built a Bedini motor and the motor did exactly as he said it would do. I got mechanical rotation while simuiltaneously charging another set of batteries on the inductive spike that ordinarily is wasted. I also tested the Tesla switch and that worked as stated on his website as well. I dont think lindemann really put out any plans except his educated guess on how the Ed Gray tube worked. I will admit I havent tried that one. I know bearden did not put out any plans he seems like more of a theory type of guy. I am curious what results other people had with experimentation with these ideas.

Chad

I didn't believe any of this stuff until I decided that the only way to disprove it was to build one. I built a bedini motor and it worked very well.

Ditto. The Bedini opened my eyes to the possibility of free energy. I chocked all this stuff up to conspiracy theories before I tried building his motor.

Chad

Howdy Zpfe,

Hahahhhahahaaaahahaaa, class action suit against inventors, hahhahhahhaaahahahhaaaaaa.......
Son, you are barking up the wrong money tree.  Inventors are not wealthy.  If you want to make some money suing people you need to go after multinational corporations that have BILLIONS of dollars.  By the tone of you rant you are frustrated that your creative talents are not up to your imagination.  Many many people here have had at least a little success with the Bedini motor or other scenarios.  Zero point energy is going to power the future, that is obvious.  If you want to be part of it you should hone your constructive skills and spend your time studying electrical theory and not trying to sue people.  I am quite surprised that you haven't been banned here.  All of us fail when we first attempt something that has never been done.  You should not let your mediocre first attempt taint your attitude toward free energy in general.  Hahhhahhaaahahaha sue the inventors, hahhahhahhahhaaaahahhahaaa...........

Blessed Be...

Howdy Zpfe,

Justice?  Hahhhahhahhahahhahhahhahaaaaahahahhaaaaaaaahahhahaaaaaaaaaa..........

So where is your schematic?  Do you have a picture of your circuit?  Any test data?

Blessed Be...

Quote from: chadj2 on September 22, 2008, 06:34:19 PM
Ditto. The Bedini opened my eyes to the possibility of free energy. I chocked all this stuff up to conspiracy theories before I tried building his motor.

Chad

The energy gathered from the collapsing magnetic field of the coil is not "free energy", it is merely the energy stored by the magnetic field of the coil.

When you charge up a capacitor, it is storing energy as charge. and when you discharge it, you are only getting back what was stored. The same applies to an inductor. When you initially connect an inductor, the energy used to create the magnetic field is stored in that field. When you disconnect the inductor, the collapse of the magnetic field releases the stored energy.

Yes, you can charge a battery or run some other piece of circuitry with this stored energy, but you will never charge a battery at a greater (or even equal) amount of current than what the supply battery is providing.

The total mechanical torque of the motor plus the electrical energy of the output from the collapsing field, (and any additional separate pick up coils), when added together, is still less than the total electrical energy consumed by the motor.

This becomes very evident over the long term, when using two batteries of identical capacity. Use one for the circuit supply and one for charging. First discharge the battery that you are going to charge,  then use the other to charge it. Then reverse the batteries and do the same again. Repeat over and over. Eventually both batteries will go flat.

Bedini, Bearden and Lindemann try to tell the uneducated, that the energy from the collapsing field is "free" energy, when in fact it is only stored energy, which was put into the system in the first place by the supply battery.

I have, over the years, made over a hundred variations of the Bedini and Adam's motors, and whilst it was/is possible to make very efficient motors which recycle the energy stored in the driving coil, none exhibit any genuine O/U.

Cheers from Hoptoad

I agree with you that it is the power stored in the inductor. But this stored energy is ordinarily wasted by clamping the motor coil to itself. I didnt know that that energy was of any use. I thought that it couldnt charge batteries since it was just a high voltage spike with very little current. Standard theory says that batteries only charge from actual electron flow and that voltage plays a very small part. In the case of the bedini motor the voltage seems to play the majority part and amperage a small part in the charging of the secondary batteries. I am not really going to quibble with bedini or those types as to whether it is "free energy" or not, but they initially opened up my eyes to bigger and beter things. I have since move quite a bit beyond those intro motors.

Chad

@zpfe

If you want to head a class action suit on something useful, please consider a class action suit against the US Government for stealing or confiscating free energy devices, information, etc., etc., including designs of Mr. Tesla himself, all under the guise of "national security" crapola.

You should sue the MIB and company for being responsible for the total stagnation of the free energy effort.

Guys like Bearden would be lucky to pay for one months rent a year with all they sell. Geez, give me break already.

What about suing those fat CEO's who are robbing the public blind with their grandiose salaries, all the while running the economy into the ground.

Guys like Bearden have a million times the intellect of those fat bastards, with barely the means to get by yet they persevere in spreading their knowledge any way they can afford to.

So yeh, I can understand you are trying to look out for these great brains on this forum who are only looking to help mankind in their own ways, but I really think you are running after the wrong turkey.

I buildt a SSG some time ago, first it didn't seem to work because I felt too much temptation to correct the unconventional side of it. But after a while of bugging the guys at the monopole 3 yahoo group I got it working. And allready, it does some very interesting things.
The first thing was that it could charge batteries which a specially designed pulse battery charger couldn't even spot, and much less restore.
Second and allmost more interesting is that it work opposite to a normal motor/generator, or any kind of mechanical machine.
When you load the electrical output the motor speeds up, when you load it mechanically its amperage draw drops, and increases as the motor gains speed. Its pretty wierd and could probably be used in large scales to do heavy work for low power.

Now something funny which I just seemed to think of, it kinda reminds me of the Milkowic technology.
Because its just the same with his devise. In the pendulum/hinge situation, which in my mind is two completely seperated systems, the efficiency or power in the pendulum is highest when the load or resistiance (which is load) on the hinge is at the most, and  at the lowest efficiency when no power is drawn out of the hinge, thereby making the hinge move back and fourth from the weight-change of the pendulum.

Okey, I just wanted to mention this because I see that they have this effect in common, reversing the normal parallell between power and resistance, which normaly is universial in every system which deals with energy.

Quote from: chadj2 on September 22, 2008, 07:57:10 PM
I agree with you that it is the power stored in the inductor. But this stored energy is ordinarily wasted by clamping the motor coil to itself. I didnt know that that energy was of any use. I thought that it couldnt charge batteries since it was just a high voltage spike with very little current. Standard theory says that batteries only charge from actual electron flow and that voltage plays a very small part. In the case of the bedini motor the voltage seems to play the majority part and amperage a small part in the charging of the secondary batteries. I am not really going to quibble with bedini or those types as to whether it is "free energy" or not, but they initially opened up my eyes to bigger and beter things. I have since move quite a bit beyond those intro motors.

Chad

The high voltage spike from the collapsing magnetic field still results in a small amount of current into a load. It is current not voltage that charges up the battery. Batteries are charge accumulators not voltage accumulators. A voltage (pressure) is still necessary however, to make the current flow.

In conventional circuits that use pulse width modulation to control the speed of a motor (such as electric trams, trains etc), the energy from the collapsing field is re-used. It is not re-used to charge up another circuit or battery, instead it is recirculated through the driving motor to add torque to the motor during the off period of the pulse. It is not wasted !

Cheers from Hoptoad

Like I said Hoptoad I am not gonna argue as to whether it is free energy or not. You are free to believe that there is no such thing as free energy in your world I wont try to take that away from you. We will probably always disagree on the topic of free energy. The bottom line is that I am happy that Bedini, Beardon and Lindemann helped me to see things I would not have ordinarily looked at without their so called "scams".

Chad

Quote from: chadj2 on September 22, 2008, 08:30:28 PM
Like I said Hoptoad I am not gonna argue as to whether it is free energy or not. You are free to believe that there is no such thing as free energy in your world I wont try to take that away from you. We will probably always disagree on the topic of free energy. The bottom line is that I am happy that Bedini, Beardon and Lindemann helped me to see things I would not have ordinarily looked at without their so called "scams".

Chad

We are surrounded by free energy in the form of wind, sunshine, tidal, hydro-gravitic potential and geothermal energy. There may be all sorts of other "free" energy sources available to us, including ZPE, and with the correct technology we may be able to utilize them, but I don't rely on simple beliefs to validate their existence.

I prefer scientific investigation and hard evidence gathered together with empirical measurement. If you have learnt something from Bedini and Bearden et al, and you're happy with what you've learned, then good for you. I certainly don't want to take that away from you or any one else.

Cheers

Ive argued with people like yourself before and it is fruitless. We can never come to a consensus. It is always claimed as measurement error or surface charge or some other thing. Never willing to "waste their time" actually doing the experiment. We most likely have completely different worldviews. I have a great distrust of governments and I have a great distrust of coorporations working in the best interest of all humanity. I also dont have such great faith in all of the theoretical science that we have placed on such a high pedestal. I have learned so much more through actual experimentation and reading very old electrical books from the late 1800s and early 1900s when scientists did actual experiments and published strange results. Also, keeping in mind the tremendous resistance to new ideas of the scientific establishment. So quick to write every claim off as a hoax. So the bottom line is that in my worldview I see these new ideas as having tremendous hurdles to get over and most likely their ideas will be killed one way or another even if they are valid. That is what got me to experimenting in the first place. So anyways we obviously see the world in completely different ways so the probability that we are going to agree is very low.

Chad

Quote from: chadj2 on September 22, 2008, 09:14:27 PM
Never willing to "waste their time" actually doing the experiment.
Chad

When I was young and impressionable, I believed in a lot of things, even when the hard evidence was lacking. Twenty years of actual hands on experimenting, investing thousands of hours of time, persistent labour and a significant amount of my own money has changed all that.

If you like learning about anomolous curiosities, perhaps you may wish to "do an experiment", like the one on page 10 of my website which was posted some time ago in response to calls for help from some of the other forum members who were experimenting with Adam's motors at the time.

http://www.totallyamped.net/adams

Cheers

I already believe that with the adams motor that you should be able to recapture about 99% of the energy used to run the coil. But since you brought up prior experimentation in your younger years I gotta ask; did you ever experiment with the tesla switch? That was my first really shocking experience. According to regular theories that idea should not work since batteries should only charge from amperage and once you have the breakover voltage it no longer plays a part. I spent days experiemnting with the Tesla switch and charging batteries from higher voltage and low amperage and then load testing them to veriefy that the power was actually in the battery (not just some surface charge). That was the major thing that made me question so much of what I was raised to believe about energy.

Chad

Quote from: chadj2 on September 22, 2008, 09:48:57 PM
I already believe that with the adams motor that you should be able to recapture about 99% of the energy used to run the coil. But since you brought up prior experimentation in your younger years I gotta ask; did you ever experiment with the tesla switch? That was my first really shocking experience. According to regular theories that idea should not work since batteries should only charge from amperage and once you have the breakover voltage it no longer plays a part. I spent days experiemnting with the Tesla switch and charging batteries from higher voltage and low amperage and then load testing them to veriefy that the power was actually in the battery (not just some surface charge). That was the major thing that made me question so much of what I was raised to believe about energy.

Chad

No, I can't say I have experimented with the Tesla switch. It sounds very interesting. Perhaps you might be able to give me a link to some some info about it?

I'm always willing to try out an experiment (or three !)  - and change my views about something if the evidence suggests I should.

Cheers

Well, this is suprising. I may have been wrong in prejudging you. Here is the crux of the experiment. We both know that physics says there is just electron and ionic transfers in flooded lead acid batteries. Basically a 1 for 1 exchange during charging. So in theory if you were to charge a 12 volt lead acid battery with 3 amps from a 14 volt source for 15 minutes you should have the same amount of joules in the battery as charging the same 12 volt battery from 120 volts and 3 amps for 15 minutes. Obviously, to do the second part of that experiment you would probably have to build a PWM circuit and have a current limiting resistor handy. You could also see the effect with lower voltage sources also. For example, I have used 36 volt batteries to charge 12 volt batteries and measured joules out of the 36 volt batteries and then load tested the 12 volt batteries under load. I did this charge discharge process for sometimes full afternoons to make sure it wasnt a false effect. I have no explanation as to why batteries seem to charge from watts rather than just amperage. The point of this is that it is the principle on which the tesla switch works. Here is one link http://www.icehouse.net/john1/tesla.html . Here is another link  http://www.free-energy-info.co.uk/ the website that I just linked to there has a large number of systems which may or may not work but if you go down to chapter 6 there is more information on the tesla switch. I have learned through experimenting with the tesla switch that it will only work on certain loads, meaning that you will be able to recapture 99% of your energy in each pulse. Resistive loads are best it will also run inductive loads provided you dont tap that magnetic field that is building and collapsing (ie using it as a primary in a transformer and pulling power off the secondary). But anyway I have said a lot already. I do have one question for you concerning possible overunity with a common electronic device since you said you have been in the electrical field for many years. Why does a television CRT have a sudden buildup of charge on the screen right when it is first turned on? The charge soon dissipates but when you turn the television off the high charge appears again for a few moments. I hope I make sense in describing the charge on a television. When you turn a television on and run your hand across the screen you can feel the static charge, but it soon goes away. It does return however when you turn the television off. I have been trying to find the answer to this question for quite a while. Thanks

Chad

Quote from: chadj2 on September 22, 2008, 10:39:49 PM
Well, this is suprising. I may have been wrong in prejudging you. Here is the crux of the experiment. We both know that physics says there is just electron and ionic transfers in flooded lead acid batteries. Basically a 1 for 1 exchange during charging. So in theory if you were to charge a 12 volt lead acid battery with 3 amps from a 14 volt source for 15 minutes you should have the same amount of joules in the battery as charging the same 12 volt battery from 120 volts and 3 amps for 15 minutes. Obviously, to do the second part of that experiment you would probably have to build a PWM circuit and have a current limiting resistor handy. You could also see the effect with lower voltage sources also. For example, I have used 36 volt batteries to charge 12 volt batteries and measured joules out of the 36 volt batteries and then load tested the 12 volt batteries under load. I did this charge discharge process for sometimes full afternoons to make sure it wasnt a false effect. I have no explanation as to why batteries seem to charge from watts rather than just amperage. The point of this is that it is the principle on which the tesla switch works. Here is one link http://www.icehouse.net/john1/tesla.html . Here is another link  http://www.free-energy-info.co.uk/ the website that I just linked to there has a large number of systems which may or may not work but if you go down to chapter 6 there is more information on the tesla switch. I have learned through experimenting with the tesla switch that it will only Twork on certain loads, meaning that you will be able to recapture 99% of your energy in each pulse. Resistive loads are best it will also run inductive loads provided you dont tap that magnetic field that is building and collapsing (ie using it as a primary in a transformer and pulling power off the secondary). But anyway I have said a lot already. I do have one question for you concerning possible overunity with a common electronic device since you said you have been in the electrical field for many years. Why does a television CRT have a sudden buildup of charge on the screen right when it is first turned on? The charge soon dissipates but when you turn the television off the high charge appears again for a few moments. I hope I make sense in describing the charge on a television. When you turn a television on and run your hand across the screen you can feel the static charge, but it soon goes away. It does return however when you turn the television off. I have been trying to find the answer to this question for quite a while. Thanks

Chad

Thanks for the info and links. With regard to the TV questions, they are good questions for which I don't have any reasonable plausable answers.

I'll look into the phenomena and if I come across any information I'll post it to you.

Cheers from Hoptoad

Quote from: chadj2 on September 22, 2008, 10:39:49 PM

... Why does a television CRT have a sudden buildup of charge on the screen right when it is first turned on? The charge soon dissipates but when you turn the television off the high charge appears again for a few moments. I hope I make sense in describing the charge on a television. When you turn a television on and run your hand across the screen you can feel the static charge, but it soon goes away. It does return however when you turn the television off. I have been trying to find the answer to this question for quite a while. Thanks
Chad

Hi Chad,

When you first turn on the TV set, the heater filament in the CRT is still cold hence no beam current can flow, the display is dark. But the horizontal output stage with flyback transformer and hv multiplier (being all solid state) already supply the 25-26kV into the CRT and this is what you can feel with your hand.
It is a surface static charge indeed which mostly gets reduced when the picture comes on, though does not disappear completely if you test it with your arm's hair...
And when you switch the TV set off it is the CRT itself which has its own capacity to store high voltage further on, even for half days or maybe days on. Glass is a very good quality insulator and from this respect the CRT behaves just like a Leyden jar.

rgds,  Gyula

Quote from: gyulasun on September 23, 2008, 07:26:26 AM
Hi Chad,

When you first turn on the TV set, the heater filament in the CRT is still cold hence no beam current can flow, the display is dark. But the horizontal output stage with flyback transformer and hv multiplier (being all solid state) already supply the 25-26kV into the CRT and this is what you can feel with your hand.
It is a surface static charge indeed which mostly gets reduced when the picture comes on, though does not disappear completely if you test it with your arm's hair...
And when you switch the TV set off it is the CRT itself which has its own capacity to store high voltage further on, even for half days or maybe days on. Glass is a very good quality insulator and from this respect the CRT behaves just like a Leyden jar.

rgds,  Gyula

Btw, is it true that the capaciators inside the tv can store charge allmost indefinetly?
I have also heard that they can generate their own high voltage which can kill someone if they tries to open tv.

Quote from: Nabo00o on September 23, 2008, 08:11:21 AM
Btw, is it true that the capaciators inside the tv can store charge allmost indefinetly?
I have also heard that they can generate their own high voltage which can kill someone if they tries to open tv.

Hi,

Well, capacitors inside the TV sets usually discharge through their appropiate circuits when you switch the set off (and this is not a stand-by switch off with the remote but you push the mains switch off or unplug). The discharge time normally takes max 2-4 minutes to go below safety limit.
The CRT is a different story but then you normally do not access the HV cap inside unless you deliberately unplug the HV cap from the side of the CRT... in this case you still get nasty shocks well after a day or two from the CRT.

What you say in your last sentence it is a memory effect from one hand whenever you discharge a capacitor its dielectic material inside tries to regain its previous "distorted" state which the stored voltage forced it into.
On the other hand, there have been certain capacitor types (mainly used in radio  or television transmitter stations) which collected charge from somewhere while being stored on the shelves. And this collected charge may have caused harmful shocks to the person handling the capacitors not aware of this. (I do not mean the caps collected charge from the field strength of the transmitter station nearby, the source must have come from elsewhere, maybe they remembered the previous high voltage test by their manufacturer.)  So to prevent any such charge collection or build-up, these capacitors are supplied with a shorting wire across their connectors.

rgds,  Gyula

PS:    ZPFE, sorry for the off topic in your thread...

Quote from: hoptoad on September 22, 2008, 07:47:52 PM
The energy gathered from the collapsing magnetic field of the coil is not "free energy", it is merely the energy stored by the magnetic field of the coil.
Cheers from Hoptoad

At the UK Free-energy Conference at the beginning of the month, we built
a bedini SG. We started with two lead acid batteries - one charged and
one empty. We ended up with the first battery slightly depleted and the
second battery charged.

Hi Guys,

I got word from a couple of lawyers today. The money they want is totally unrealistic. So that plan is out the window. It doesn’t make sense to sue for $50k and have to pay $120K in legal fees that may or may not result in a conviction.

I am afraid I did what I could but that’s as far as I will go.

You guys seem intelligent but don’t seem to grasp the difference between a phenomena that appears in these pulse motors and excess energy claims.
I too have seen these phenomena in my motor generators. I see more of it in my Adams motor than my monopole. The Adams motor is far superior in efficiencies and weird phenomenas than Bedini's system in everyway.
Just because we don’t yet know what it is, doesn’t mean it is excess energy. If it was excess energy, it could easily be converted to a usable form and be able to close the loop and get a perpetual machine going and remove the battery from the loop altogether. That has not happened BECAUSE there is no excess energy there. If it makes you happy to think that there is, who am I to stand between you and happiness?

I’ve been designing embedded PWM motor controllers for a living for over 20 years. I do know a thing or 2 about this subject. The recoil pulse is not wasted. The inherent body diode inside the Mosfet puts this pulse across the large capacitor that is between the positive supply and ground. (We use schottky diodes for bypass, because it’s faster in response time than the body diode inside the mosfet and it dissipates the heat that the mosfet would have had to deal with).
The rough formula is 100uF for every 1 amp current to the motor.
That is the largest electrolytic capacitor(s) on each and every PWM speed controller.

â€Ã...“Let them learn their lesson the hard way like you didâ€Ã,, my friend said.

So be it.
Just remember, this stupid, ignorant, blind sceptic told you soâ€Ã,¦

@zpfe

You asked your question and you got some answers. There is no need to get mad at us for giving you an honest answer. Bedini is not the do all end all. It is just another method and a good introduction to this effort.

Actually, some members here were once the biggest skeptics, so we are used to it. lol

Look up Humbugger on this forum. You will find that he was very in line with your thinking, but eventually, he was a very good person and helped here by teaching others, especially me (lol). Until he got banned. What a shame. I thought the forum was really out of line to ban him.

If you are good with PWMs then there is a guy here named Jack Hilden Brand that could probably use some help with a special motor he built. One member @Honk built a control circuit for him but it blew twice. Once you see his motor you will understand the level of creativity. This is not your standard GE motor so controlling it will definitely require someone with the know how. Here is a link to that thread;
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,2386.msg127900

You said it yourself;

"Just because we don’t yet know what it is, doesn’t mean it is excess energy. "
Yes but it does not mean it isn't either.

We need all the brains we can get on this forum. And maybe understand one main point, we all know what we are looking for is impossible, until it becomes possible. Maybe all your years with PWMs can be converted to helping out here.

@zpfe

You may be surprised to know that there are quite a few old boys on these forums with good electronics experience. I for one, being an old grey haired git have had my fair share of frustration at some peoples dire lack of even basic knowledge in electrics and electronics from people who seem to have made up their minds that EE is crap just because various people are shouting out about a new revolution in thinking about an energy being manifested in spinning wheels and the like that cannot be measured with EE measuring devices.

Having said this, I have little doubt that guys like John Bedini do genuinely believe in what they publish and do not deserve to be threatened with lawsuits just because others think they are just in it for money. I can think of many others in this world that are more deserved of this!

Personally, I do not think that the alternative ZP theory does fit what I have seen in over two years almost continuous experimentation as a retired Telecomms Planning Engineer. This does not mean that I dismiss it out of hand but I have seen a few strange things in my time that I cannot explain and these alone leave me open minded to any theory that comes along, no matter how crackpot.

Also, please appreciate that many people get enjoyment out of building things like spinning wheels and other 'free energy' devices irrespective of whether they have the capability of producing 'free energy' or not.

With respect your rant at this level is out of order, especially when you should have at least first checked out the viability of taking legal action and asking for group support!!

Hoppy

Hey,, I didnt know that OU.com had a humor section,,,, Thanks for the laugh... LOL! :D

@zpfe

Lindeman and Bedini always say, that the OU effect comes inside
the batteries.
So it will not work with just charged capacitors.

So what batteries did you use ?

To my experience it needs the sparking at dissimular metal
contact points to convert this "plasma" contact point galvanic voltage and free electrons
due to oxidation and electron clustering at the sparking contact points to
recharge the batteries, so I guess solid state will not work well.
(Unless they use neon gas bulbs with it..)

Well, as you donÂÃ,´t like to post your documentation of your failures,
we donÂÃ,´t know how you tried it and what you might have done
differently or worng ?

So on what cases do you want to sue them ?

I think this does not help the case.
Better document your failures and demand
answers from them, what you have done wrong versus
their devices...

Regards, Stefan.

Quote from: Moab on September 28, 2008, 04:01:54 PM
Hey,, I didnt know that OU.com had a humor section,,,, Thanks for the laugh... LOL! :D

Indeed, a very good laugh! I thank for it too!
Almost as good as seeing those buffoonery-science DVDs of that show-biz guruâ€Ã,¦ aaa what was his name againâ€Ã,¦ â€ËÅ"Bendini’? Why not putting more money into his pocket solely for his artistic skills? lol

Thanks zpfe for sharing your true experience and for your kind intention. Unfortunately it is futile inhere.
Maybe it’s already redundant to say that I also confirm there is no such OU effect(s) and the man is an ordinary liar, selling woo-woo & mambo-jambo. He, or anyone proving otherwise, can sue me. I can’t wait.

Cheers,
Tinu

so are you guys suing these "scammers and liars"? or did you lose all your altruistic drive to rid the the world of such "lying scammers selling woo woo" when you learned it would cost you some $ and switched to this new tactic of waiting for them to sue you ala tinu?
keep us posted on how that works out will you?   ::)

as tinu said, such kind intention...

show-biz guru? john bedini? you're joking right? that's asinine, he's about as far from show-biz as one can get.

@zpfe
I think any student that tries to build the devices mentioned by these 3 men will learn invaluable info from it.
Your fear of there minds being destroyed by these inventions is totally uncalled for.
I would be far more concerned about those same kids spending all there free time playing video games, learning nothing.
You mentioned yourself that there is an unexplained phenomenon present. 
This alone could spark a child's imagination and lead them to a great new discovery.
No child is so gullible that they would wast there whole life away on useless experimentation.
Most people have a short attention span to begin with and if they got poor results from a device they would move on to something else.
But the info learned from the experiment can be priceless.
What these 3 men have done is opened the minds of many to a new view of the world around us.
And they have sparked countless other concepts.

Agreed failures should be shared and results well documented before going this far and you should share you failures to recieve imput it is possible that you are missing something very small...

can i be a cult leader? i hooked a drill motor and alternator to a battery and charged the battery with it...do i qualify?

Quote from: christo4_99 on October 01, 2008, 04:06:29 PM
can i be a cult leader? i hooked a drill motor and alternator to a battery and charged the battery with it...do i qualify?

Yes you qualify, now get lost.

Quote from: christo4_99 on October 01, 2008, 04:06:29 PM
can i be a cult leader? i hooked a drill motor and alternator to a battery and charged the battery with it...do i qualify?

Nope, not yet.
You need to add a water pump and a paddle-wheel or, as a minimum, at least a PMM generator with high impedance coils.
Now go building and stay in the line! You know, Iââ,¬â,,¢m aspiring tooââ,¬Â¦ ;)

i can prove the concept of free energy in a very limited description...you start with a constant(electrical potential,atmospheric pressure,charge deficit whatever you want to call it)then you "accelerate" something beyond the natural(universal) capability of the "environment" to react and then stop it suddenly...the natural occurrence of the "constant" restoring itself creates the "free energy".the pistol shrimp phenomena is an example of this...the acceleration of the water does not cause the reaction...it is the sudden snapping shut of the claw which triggers the implosion to restore ambient atmospheric pressure...this sudden stop is a universal principle of "free energy" because it is the environment which restores the "deficit" in the open loop...

 I have yet to see a properly built magnetic pulse motor. A properly built pulse motor will create free energy and the Bedini designs only contain part of the correct answers.

Bedini showed us how to reclaim a lot of what is being lost but he did not show us how to utilize it in a way for us to get free energy.

He did not use both poles of the coils and that is a must because when we only use one, the other is being wasted. When both are used, twice the work is being performed and it is not using any more energy to do so.

The following is a video produced by jonnydavro and it proves what I have said.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=1oXRhyulQ9c

His design is not exactly what I have had in mind but it does work and it would produce over unity if it was set up properly. The bedini SG is said to be 53% efficient, double that and you get 106% efficiency. Now use jonny's design which looks to use cd drive motors as generators and play with the timing and you will get even a higher efficiency rate.

We have not even scratched the surface of what Bedini has given us and to hear people say things like zpfe has is just wrong and very disrespectful.

zpfe,  properly utilize what Bedini has gave us and then come back and tell us what your findings are.

@all

I feel Iââ,¬â,,¢m misunderstood once again! I donââ,¬â,,¢t know if I have to write in Turkish or Klingon in order to come through without misunderstanding. Sorry, I donââ,¬â,,¢t speak Klingon see http://www.kli.org/ for more detail.

@Abbarue:
If you read my post once again, you will notice that I said ââ,¬Å"Nothing beats experimentingââ,¬Â. This is not the point. The point I was trying to make, is that these people donââ,¬â,,¢t tell you ââ,¬Å"Do this and learnââ,¬Â. They say: ââ,¬Å"Do this and youââ,¬â,,¢ll discover free energyââ,¬Â.
Playing with semantics is something politicians are excellent in. Are we dealing with a politician here? Are you a politician?
Now here we go with the song and dance that the free energy doesnââ,¬â,,¢t happen in these machines. Itââ,¬â,,¢s in the method that the batteries are being charged! Up until recently, it was claimed that these machines exhibit excess energy.

I responded to that by asking ââ,¬Å"if the batteries are showing OU by being pulse charged, why the hell do we have to put up with a mechanical means ââ,¬ÂCall it what you want, energizer, mechanical oscillator, scalar wave machine, whateverââ,¬Â¦Ã¢â,¬Â
What I am suggesting and accusing these people is that, they misinform others intentionally and should be held accountable for their lies and misinformation.

@Wilbylnebriated:
Iââ,¬â,,¢ll be happy to go along with the law suite if you agree to pay for it. You see, itââ,¬â,,¢s easy to stay out of the ring and shout ââ,¬Å"kick him in the ballsââ,¬Â.
Try to get in the ring and kick him in the balls yourself! Frankly I donââ,¬â,,¢t understand half of what youââ,¬â,,¢re saying at the end. You donââ,¬â,,¢t make sense!

@infringer & @Hartiberlin
I donââ,¬â,,¢t agree with you. Only successes need be documented so others can replicate it. Whatââ,¬â,,¢s the point of replicating a failure? Just another dead-end!

@nightlife:
Use both sides of the coil? What an ingenious idea! Why didnââ,¬â,,¢t I think of that obvious modification?
Oh wait. I did that in my second build. It doesnââ,¬â,,¢t work!
You are all naïve people that believe everything you read on the net. Some if not all, is made up ââ,¬Å"numbers out of a hatââ,¬Â.
56%! Who the hell conducted these tests? Where are the test results published so that they can be disputed?
Just because it seems probable, doesnââ,¬â,,¢t mean it is.

I think all of you are high on something. Why smoke a joint and/or get drunk and post nonsense rather than listen to a good album or do whatever stoned people normally do?

You all donââ,¬â,,¢t seem to distinguish between fantasy and reality. Thatââ,¬â,,¢s what charlatans like Bedini feed on.
Here is an email I was forwarded from one of these charlatans;


We are pleased to announce the Sixth DVD in the "Energy from the Vacuum"TM Science Series.

This one features John Bedini, and is entitled "Inside Radiant Energy - Dialogues with John Bedini."  In this film, John fields a whole host of questions about what his perception of Radiant Energy is, and then he demonstrates its capture and performance on the bench. 

Finally, in a candid give and take discussion, we get to see how John Bedini designs a circuit from scratch thinking about nothing but potentials.  This is a completely unique experience, and there are several "AH-HA" moments when realization of this new paradigm's foundations are revealed, coupled with admiration for John for his ability to truly "think outside the box" in an almost completely uncharted field.

In fact the existing crippled subset of electrical theory steers everyone well away from this whole arena, and John Bedini, standing on the shoulders of Tesla, has thankfully come up with a successful methodology for harnessing radiant energy that, with incredible generosity, he is sharing with all of us.

The DVD is available at http://www.energyfromthevacuum.com/Disc6/

Regards

Tony Craddock
Web Administrator
The Tom Bearden Website
www.cheniere.org


Well Mr. Tony Crackpot;

ââ,¬Å"AH-HA momentsââ,¬Â, please, give me a break. Why couldnââ,¬â,,¢t you include these ââ,¬Å"AH-HAââ,¬Â moments in the useless 3rd series?
ââ,¬Å"Standing on the shoulders of Teslaââ,¬Â? I donââ,¬â,,¢t think soââ,¬Â¦Jim Billy Bob Tony.
I admire Tesla for what he accomplished as a scientist (with a doctorate degree in electrical engineering) and have the most disrespect for magicians like Bedini. Donââ,¬â,,¢t use this revered scientist (Tesla) for your pathetic greed to sell more useless DVDs.

Canââ,¬â,,¢t you people see that youââ,¬â,,¢re being taken by these charlatans who want to drip-feed you nonsense and divorce you from your wallet at the same time?

ââ,¬Å"Buy this DVD and weââ,¬â,,¢ll reveille the secrets. Buy another book or DVD and weââ,¬â,,¢ll give even more secrets!ââ,¬Â
The oldest tricks in the scammerââ,¬â,,¢s cookbook.

I donââ,¬â,,¢t even get why Bedini or any of you consider him to be an inventor. What the hell did he invent that Adams, Muller, Ed gray, Sparky, and above all, Tesla didnââ,¬â,,¢t disclose way before him?
Robert Adams claimed in one of his emails to me, that Bedini and Muller were his students back in the 70ââ,¬â,,¢s. I donââ,¬â,,¢t have any reason to believe him, but I donââ,¬â,,¢t have any reason not to either.

Just because one has the money to pay the filing fees and attorney fees to file for, and obtain a patent doesnââ,¬â,,¢t mean the patent is functional or worth the paper itââ,¬â,,¢s written on.
These charlatans all seem to feed on the resentment you all apparently have towards the formal education process and the education establishment in general not to mention energy providers.

Just because you couldnââ,¬â,,¢t hack it through college for whatever the reason, doesnââ,¬â,,¢t give any of you the right to shit on the rest of us who had to wait tables to make enough money to get a post-secondary education and become competent.

I for one, will never pay a penny for what they have to say. Iââ,¬â,,¢ve seen their DVDs by downloading their video torrents and watched it for free. Itââ,¬â,,¢s all a bunch of crap designed to mesmerize the uneducated and the naïve.
This forum is not working for me. I get too worked up and frustrated with the lack of real science and proof of these extraordinary claims and the blind fanatics who defend their cult leaders like their life depended on it.

I am a scientist and much rather spend my time with my own kind than try to convince a bunch of uneducated fanatic cult members of the ââ,¬Å"whysââ,¬Â it canââ,¬â,,¢t work. I canââ,¬â,,¢t afford wasting my time like that.
Iââ,¬â,,¢m out of this forum.

Iââ,¬â,,¢ll give you a piece of advice. One you may freely reject.
Educate yourselves and donââ,¬â,,¢t believe in this mambo jumbo until scientific proof is provided by the claimer or you, if you are willing to publish your results in a scientific paper and ready yourself to defend it against sceptics. Thatââ,¬â,,¢s how it works today and thatââ,¬â,,¢s how it should work.

As the saying goes, ââ,¬Å"There are no heroes, only opportunists.ââ,¬Â

Quote from: zpfe on October 03, 2008, 12:38:11 PM
@Wilbylnebriated:
Iââ,¬â,,¢ll be happy to go along with the law suite if you agree to pay for it. You see, itââ,¬â,,¢s easy to stay out of the ring and shout ââ,¬Å"kick him in the ballsââ,¬Â.
Try to get in the ring and kick him in the balls yourself! Frankly I donââ,¬â,,¢t understand half of what youââ,¬â,,¢re saying at the end. You donââ,¬â,,¢t make sense!

LMFAO... the lawsuit was your "brainchild", and now you want me to pay for it? are you mental?

"kick him in the balls"? you don't make sense. are you asking me to "jump in your ring" and help you metaphorically kick john bedini in the balls? or are you challenging me to a round of rochambeau?

which words did you have trouble understanding? showbiz guru? or thats just asinine?
as i said bedini is about as far from show-biz guru as one can get. let me clarify since that post secondary education seems to be failing you when it comes to critical thinking. selling a couple hundred dvd's on the fringes of the internet does not qualify one as a show-biz guru. john bedini has never to my knowledge been on any mainstream media programming, save mythbusters mentioning his name. why didn't they have john on the show showing them how it works? should have been easy to debunk him right then and there if what you say is true correct? on national television even and catering to a demographic of uneducated non post secondary school heathens... wouldn't that have been the most expedient in exposing this "charlatan"? mythbusters isn't even recorded live, so it's not like john could have whipped a self runner out and made idiots (not that they don't do a fine enough job on their own) out of them all.
you're a scientist you say, and scientific and all in your methods? and yet you won't provide your research data when asked, why is that? did you forget to write it down while you were smoking that doob? are you not willing to publish your results in a scientific paper and ready yourself to defend against skeptics?
keep crying about your post secondary education, you should feel like a dipshit for waiting on those tables to make the money to pay someone else to tell you what books to read. you could have saved yourself a lot of time and money had you just gone and found out what the curriculum was and read the books for yourself. come to think of it, you wouldn't have to make such pathetic rationalizations about your post secondary education then though would you?

as the saying goes, "don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out."

zpfe,

You call us uneducated cult members, and rebuke us for not trusting you and the establishment. But I would have to ask if this distrust is illogical? You establishment people tell me that the Iraq war needs to be done because we need to get the weapons of mass destruction. Then it was to help them get democracy, then it was to fight Al Qaeda. You esablishment people tell me that the september 11th twin towers just coincidently collapsed symetrically at almost free fall speed because jet fuel burned for a few hours. To make matters even more absurd you guys tell me that building 7 on that day collapsed because of some never before seen phenomenon having to do with some thermal expansion and that caused that building to collapse symetrically at almost freefall speed. You establishment people are now telling me that we Americans are going to all lose our jobs and go into a depression unless we pay off the banks for all of their bad investment decisions. I could go on further but I hope I have sufficiently expressed some of the reasons that I distrust establishment people like yourself from the get go. I may be somewhat uneducated with just an B.S. degree but I think I have a little bit of common sense. At some point I have to ask if I am being taken for a ride. I dont agree with absolutely everything that Bedini and Beardon say but I know they have given me ideas that have actually led to real designs.

Chad

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Lawsuits against what you consider to be crank/fringe experimenters, you must be saying this tongue in cheek surely.

Maybe Bedini is on to something, but then maybe he's not, take your own personal truth and move on.

If, and I repeat IF, Bedini is a scammer then rest assured karma will catch up with him.

@zpfe

Please give me a break. Tell me, when you purchased your version of Windows 98, XP, 2000, Vista did Microsoft tell you you would be spending untold hours on trying to fix bugs.

Or when you bought your brand new car, did they tell you all the bad things with it in their sales pitch.

So, are they charlatans also? Hmmmmm.

So I guess you want to invent a new way of selling things called "Total Honesty". Nice concept but I can assure you your sales will be very uncomplicated. Cause you'll have no sales at all.

As for academia, we know what they need and this is what we are all working on. Proof.

You want some proof of Overunity, look up Universons which is now being accepted by academia as an unknown energy source, which we call ether and which has been shown to be smaller then electrons.

In my last post to you, I mentioned places here were you would be extremely useful in helping people. Maybe consider putting in instead of pulling out. You just may enjoy yourself.

zpfe,

QuoteUse both sides of the coil? What an ingenious idea! Why didnââ,¬â,,¢t I think of that obvious modification?
Oh wait. I did that in my second build. It doesnââ,¬â,,¢t work!

If you did so correctly, you wouldn't be saying it doesn't work. We have already proved that using both poles of a coil does not consume any more energy then just using one. We have already proved that recapturing collapsing fields adds to the efficiency as well as it also keeps the coils cooler which adds even more to the efficiency.

I personally do not use drugs nor do I drink alcohol. It is a fact that you can not have one pole with out having the other and it is also a fact that one pole is just as powerful as the other and when we only utilize one, the other is being wasted.

Your ignorance is over whelming. I am not sure if it is do to frustration or something else but you must be doing something wrong if you can not get it to work. One thing you have to add when measuring the efficiency is the work that it can perform. and the energy that is produced from that work. Capturing the collapsing fields is just a fraction of the over all efficiency that needs to be measured. You can not base your efficiency rating on the collapsing fields by themselves, the work that is produced must also be added in.

Quote from: zpfe on September 22, 2008, 03:57:24 PM
I am not some mentally ill looking for revenge. I bought all their DVDââ,¬â,,¢s and books gathering evidence against them after their claims failed scrutiny and after I put in the work as directed and saw no results.
I purchased the renaissance charger RC-2A12 and reversed engineered it despite the fact that it was drowned in black potting epoxy to keep the prying eyes out. Thank God for my sand blaster!

i would argue you are, and if not you are at least a liar...

Quote from: zpfe on October 03, 2008, 12:38:11 PM
I for one, will never pay a penny for what they have to say. I’ve seen their DVDs by downloading their video torrents and watched it for free.

i think that pretty much sums it up, oh one more thing...

Quote from: zpfe on October 03, 2008, 12:38:11 PM
“Buy this DVD and we’ll reveille the secrets. Buy another book or DVD and we’ll give even more secrets!”

an example of your post secondary competence? it's REVEAL, or didn't they teach you how to spell? lets all give him the benefit of the doubt and pretend he meant it as a double entendre...

Quote from: zpfe on September 22, 2008, 03:57:24 PM
This John Bedini is a scam artist....

If you want THE TRUTH, zpfe, and I doubt that you do, then build a f***ing Bedini SG and
see for yourself. Join the bedini_monopole3 YahooGroup, and you will LEARN FOR THE
FIRST TIME about this new form of energy, where it comes from, and what it can do.

Alternatively, you can stay in your soup of ignorance.

Quote from: hoptoad on September 22, 2008, 07:47:52 PM
The energy gathered from the collapsing magnetic field of the coil is not "free energy", it is merely the energy stored by the magnetic field of the coil.

When you charge up a capacitor, it is storing energy as charge. and when you discharge it, you are only getting back what was stored. The same applies to an inductor. When you initially connect an inductor, the energy used to create the magnetic field is stored in that field. When you disconnect the inductor, the collapse of the magnetic field releases the stored energy.

Yes, you can charge a battery or run some other piece of circuitry with this stored energy, but you will never charge a battery at a greater (or even equal) amount of current than what the supply battery is providing.

The total mechanical torque of the motor plus the electrical energy of the output from the collapsing field, (and any additional separate pick up coils), when added together, is still less than the total electrical energy consumed by the motor.

This becomes very evident over the long term, when using two batteries of identical capacity. Use one for the circuit supply and one for charging. First discharge the battery that you are going to charge,  then use the other to charge it. Then reverse the batteries and do the same again. Repeat over and over. Eventually both batteries will go flat.

Bedini, Bearden and Lindemann try to tell the uneducated, that the energy from the collapsing field is "free" energy, when in fact it is only stored energy, which was put into the system in the first place by the supply battery.

I have, over the years, made over a hundred variations of the Bedini and Adam's motors, and whilst it was/is possible to make very efficient motors which recycle the energy stored in the driving coil, none exhibit any genuine O/U.

Cheers from Hoptoad

Hi Hoptoad
I fully agree with all of your Article there is no more energy coming back as you input,unless you add an additional source like passing the EMF through a magnetic field which may add extra Energy derivative
from the Magnet.there are too many unsubstantiated Claims by these inventors like the SELFRUNNING
COLD Electricity Circuit from Stiffler being a total misconception of an RF Circuit.
When you smell the mighty Dollar you loose reality and  resort to all kinds of shenanigans.
professor

On the SSG, as fast a the secondary voltage rises, even faster it drops when put a load on it.
In part 6 of EFTV Bedini states: it is a different electricity, a radiant type.
Sounds like bull. Of course the SSG works, but no one seems interested in showing evidence of excess energy.
I must admit I was impressed by the demonstration in eftv6, where he charges a capacitor within a couple of revolutions and shows the big spark after shorting it out.

it is incredibly simple, to test the science that the bedini motor runs on.
just hook a multimeter up to a wire coil, and move a magnet over the wire coil.


you will get voltage AND amperage.
much more than the magnet could possibly be losing.
(if the magnet is losing anything at all.)

the rest of the bedini motor, is to support the above activity.
and to make the above activity efficient enough, to create more electricity than is consumed.


the bedini motor, has little that needs "proving".
the bedini motor is mostly about "improving".

Incredible claims need incredible proof, until then it's based on believe.

Quote from: professor on October 06, 2008, 09:20:41 PM
When you smell the mighty Dollar you loose reality and  resort to all kinds of shenanigans.
professor

like the churches?

Quote from: alan on October 30, 2008, 09:40:42 AM
Incredible claims need incredible proof, until then it's based on believe.

have you built one yet alan? until then your opinions are based on your beliefs...

i have found that possibilities have made me FAR happier in life,
and gotten me far further in energy research,
than "physical proof".

i feel sorry for people who cannot see "possibility" in their minds.
for those people who only understand/trust, what they can see, hear, and touch.

those people must have really empty lives !
because the physical world is boring and uncreative !


anyway. everything in the universe is just an opinion.

the only difference,
is who forms their opinion based on boring physical objects,
and who forms their opinion based on possibility !

Quote from: WilbyInebriated on October 30, 2008, 06:24:24 PM
like the churches?
have you built one yet alan? until then your opinions are based on your beliefs...

No, my opinions are not based on my beliefs, because I don't have an opinion about this thing.
I don't dismiss it neither embrace its claims, till I tried it myself or seen some correct measurements and calcs.
Believe me, I do hope this thing works as claimed.

What I tried to say was that people are statisfied and convinced of fe too quickly, without really confirming it systematically, "look it spins, it works see, mythbusters sux" is not enough I think. :)

Quote from: alan on October 31, 2008, 09:32:28 AM
No, my opinions are not based on my beliefs, because I don't have an opinion about this thing.
I don't dismiss it neither embrace its claims, till I tried it myself or seen some correct measurements and calcs.
Believe me, I do hope this thing works as claimed.

What I tried to say was that people are statisfied and convinced of fe too quickly, without really confirming it systematically, "look it spins, it works see, mythbusters sux" is not enough I think. :)

no opinion on this thing? really? cause thats not what you said here

Quote from: alan on October 08, 2008, 09:37:13 AM
On the SSG, as fast a the secondary voltage rises, even faster it drops when put a load on it.
In part 6 of EFTV Bedini states: it is a different electricity, a radiant type.
Sounds like bull. Of course the SSG works, but no one seems interested in showing evidence of excess energy.
I must admit I was impressed by the demonstration in eftv6, where he charges a capacitor within a couple of revolutions and shows the big spark after shorting it out.

hrmmm, sure sounds like an opinion...
i agree with what you are saying about people being satisfied and convinced too quickly, i was trying to say that what is even crazier is people talking about it that haven't actually built it.  ;) "sounds like bull, why won't someone build it and test exactly the way i want them to" is not enough i think.

You got me there  ;D
but seriously, what bedini said in the video about his version of radiant energy sounded like bullcrap to me, but don't know if it is. Maybe someone could have given a better explanation.

"test exactly the way i want them to", my way is, in my humble view, a correct way of showing correct results.
I try to assist with my knowledge/insights, the building I let others do, who are capable of doing it :) .
Until then, nothing is proven for me to make up my mind (not that they have to show proof, their money and hard work, their decision).

Hope to give it a shot in the near future.  8)

just had to put my 2 cents worth here . I have built not one or two but going on number 9 SG tonight . You need to go Bitch at you wife if you have one not us.I accomplished what i set out to do , make a self runner .. HAHA you didn't !!! Guess what is was by accident and now that i  know how i did it i don't care to prove nothing to no one but myself . I want to be free from the government controlled electricity , oil ,gas or money too . I don't care as long as i am happy and my kids are happy  . I also Gladly share My information for others to be happy too because most of us here have that common Goal .I bet you never lit 300 or 400 LEDS with a 1 volt battery either did ya .. NOOOOOO ..We DO IT !. your a wimp . Kick him out Steven ! Your  a Thief too downloading Copywrite material and admitting it to all us witness you can have your ass sued and probable will by one you seek to Destroy !

This is to all, not to a specific person:

I've been reading about Bedini for some years.

I've seen many diagrams and electronic/electrical schematics
but there is one thing that I've not seen: Plans.

By plans I mean the same sort of documentation that I would
do in a high school or college class.  Specify exactly
everything.

What are the materials used?  Where obtained? Exact physical
dimensions?  Where is the blueprint?

That is what is needed and I'm not about to put any effort into
replication if I can't replicate without knowing how the
original experiment was constructed.

For example: Bedini's School Girl Motor.  He specifies wire
that is not AWG (American Wire Gauge) but appears to be European
ISO.  Why?  Did he use wire from Europe?  What are the dimensions
of the wheel?  The coil form?  The Inductor? Bunch of nails is
not sufficient.  What manufacturer?  What size?  Purchased when?
Did manufacturer change the alloy, ie, carbon content, trace
metals?

The above is the scientific method.  Think Fleischmann and Pons
debacle with the use of platinum electrodes that were used by
others to test F&P's cold fusion and had negative results.

Until then, I won't spend a penny nor a second of time trying
to reproduce phenomena claimed.

But, that's just me.

Still, I'll keep tabs.

Quote from: powershot on January 23, 2009, 09:49:25 PM
This is to all, not to a specific person:

I've been reading about Bedini for some years.

I've seen many diagrams and electronic/electrical schematics
but there is one thing that I've not seen: Plans.

By plans I mean the same sort of documentation that I would
do in a high school or college class.  Specify exactly
everything.

What are the materials used?  Where obtained? Exact physical
dimensions?  Where is the blueprint?

That is what is needed and I'm not about to put any effort into
replication if I can't replicate without knowing how the
original experiment was constructed.

For example: Bedini's School Girl Motor.  He specifies wire
that is not AWG (American Wire Gauge) but appears to be European
ISO.  Why?  Did he use wire from Europe?  What are the dimensions
of the wheel?  The coil form?  The Inductor? Bunch of nails is
not sufficient.  What manufacturer?  What size?  Purchased when?
Did manufacturer change the alloy, ie, carbon content, trace
metals?

The above is the scientific method.  Think Fleischmann and Pons
debacle with the use of platinum electrodes that were used by
others to test F&P's cold fusion and had negative results.

Until then, I won't spend a penny nor a second of time trying
to reproduce phenomena claimed.

But, that's just me.

Still, I'll keep tabs.

Its been replicated as a self runner/ self Charger  and its cheap . a few dollars . Do a Search on the site Fusionchip's Bedini Feedback to Source . Verified with measurements / Scope shots etc.. from several others .

Quote from: wattsup on October 03, 2008, 06:02:01 PM
You want some proof of Overunity, look up Universons which is now being accepted by academia as an unknown energy source, which we call ether and which has been shown to be smaller then electrons.

Interesting you should mention "Universons", because the experiments carried out by Claude Poher required enormous amounts of electrical current to achieve his objective of creating a measurable, detectable stream of  "universons". This is in direct contrast to Bedini type experiments where currents are usually so miniscule, and voltage spikes so fleetingly short, that the margin for measurement error is very wide.

Cheers

Quote from: chadj2 on September 22, 2008, 10:39:49 PM
Here is the crux of the experiment. We both know that physics says there is just electron and ionic transfers in flooded lead acid batteries. Basically a 1 for 1 exchange during charging. So in theory if you were to charge a 12 volt lead acid battery with 3 amps from a 14 volt source for 15 minutes you should have the same amount of joules in the battery as charging the same 12 volt battery from 120 volts and 3 amps for 15 minutes.  For example, I have used 36 volt batteries to charge 12 volt batteries and measured joules out of the 36 volt batteries and then load tested the 12 volt batteries under load. I did this charge discharge process for sometimes full afternoons to make sure it wasnt a false effect. I have no explanation as to why batteries seem to charge from watts rather than just amperage.

Chad

it only appears that way.  higher voltage gives the elctrons/current more "punch", and thus, disassociates the chemical bonds in a battery more effectively than a lower voltage with a higher current (with the same wattage).  a higher voltage is more effective at reversing the chemical process that takes place in a battery.  but at a certain point, it is just wasted power if the high voltage power isn't necessary to reverse the chemical bonds.  a lightening bolt behaves similarly.  it will do a lot of chemical disassociation with little current.  you might be able to get a little better recharging in a battery if it gets a few zaps of high voltage / low current, followed by low voltage / high current of the same power/wattage.

all-in-all, Bedini (with 1st grade grammar and spelling) and Bearden (PhD psycho-babbler w/fraudulent degrees) make me sick.  and i wish someone would sue them because they are frauds of the highest order; without attorneys, to keep expenses low.  just to shut them the hell up.  they've been rambling BS for over a quarter century, and mucking up the waters so that nobody can see clearly.  if the reason for loving them is hating govt, better think again.  i can't think of a better govt psy-op than those hoaxers.

Quote from: AbbaRue on September 28, 2008, 10:45:26 PM
@zpfe
I think any student that tries to build the devices mentioned by these 3 men will learn invaluable info from it.
Your fear of there minds being destroyed by these inventions is totally uncalled for.
I would be far more concerned about those same kids spending all there free time playing video games, learning nothing.
You mentioned yourself that there is an unexplained phenomenon present. 
This alone could spark a child's imagination and lead them to a great new discovery.
No child is so gullible that they would wast there whole life away on useless experimentation.
Most people have a short attention span to begin with and if they got poor results from a device they would move on to something else.
But the info learned from the experiment can be priceless.
What these 3 men have done is opened the minds of many to a new view of the world around us.
And they have sparked countless other concepts.

that is beside the point.  the point is that Bedini and Bearden are con-men, frauds.  they make claims about products they sell which are false.  the false claims do not have to be made to impart whatever value you claim from the products.  what you are saying is that it is OK to break into people's homes, because it teaches kids how locks work, or breaking down a door teaches kids about Newton's laws of physics.  that is ridiculous.  you don't need to commit crime to teach.

Quote from: 2b on February 10, 2010, 03:42:26 PM
all-in-all, Bedini (with 1st grade grammar and spelling) and Bearden (PhD psycho-babbler w/fraudulent degrees) make me sick.  and i wish someone would sue them because they are frauds of the highest order; without attorneys, to keep expenses low.  just to shut them the hell up.  they've been rambling BS for over a quarter century, and mucking up the waters so that nobody can see clearly.  if the reason for loving them is hating govt, better think again.  i can't think of a better govt psy-op than those hoaxers.

ahhh ad hominem... is that the best logical fallacy you can come up with? an ad hom?  LOL

Quote from: 2b on February 10, 2010, 04:07:31 PM
what you are saying is that it is OK to break into people's homes, because it teaches kids how locks work, or breaking down a door teaches kids about Newton's laws of physics.  that is ridiculous.  you don't need to commit crime to teach.

he didn't say anything of the sort!! now you are just making shit up and putting words in peoples mouths. try a cogent argument, if you know what one is.

Please insert 25 cents then follow the hall way to the Egress.

Interesting article.

I agree with it. Bedini even if innocent seeing guy... all that he is saying is a bunch of BS. I have been reading Tesla, and the man opened my eyes.

I admit that i was intrigued in this wonderful yet frustrating field of research by Bedini's teachings.
I have built several SSG types machines (my last on livingroom is per specs)
Nothing the unusual about it. Not magnetic current, not scalar souths, no radiant conversion. If you have been seen the EFTV series, this man have said almsot everything.

Charged iron contributes to mechanical eneergy, scalar south, negatively charged battery that require DC-to-Dc convertor, capacitative discharges of radiance, not to speak of Battery conditioning  (plainly overcharging).

From the most noob to the most expert one is for sure. Noone completely understands what he is saying, no-one has replicated any serious OU that is attributed to Bedini methods and not to other parameters (if at all).

Bedini in his site claims OU and COPs ranging from 1.7 to 60. Name a person with a cop of 1.0001 in the whole net based on Bedini concepts. Yet he circulates DVD after DVD and book after book saying  "THIS TIME YOU HAVE NOT EXCUSE NOT TO MAKE AN OU DEVICE" yet no matter how much meticulus tries have been made by fine craftmen, nothing is to be found.

When he asked, he just vaguely replies and says that's the way i do it. Ok...
Claims are free. Every nuts could claim everything... but this is BUSINESS. Fortunately, i long ago i dismissed Bedini's theories and proceeded with pure Tesla science. After all all the time Tesla's name is summoned by Bedini and his blind followers.

if you happen and study Tesla, you should see that even though at his time he was facing unknown phenomena discovered by him, yet he found out correlations and resemblences to other aspects of life hence his studies were  explained to others easily. Take Bedini, he will just tell everything to confuse / blur the waters yet the main questions remain unsolved.

Personally, i do not even taking Bedini seriouly after the fiasko of coordinated effort at energetic.com forum for replicating the ellusive Kromrey generator as an OU device  - "that after seeing the DVD we have not any excuse at not doing so " - .

Actually, if you see carefully every EFTV series, including the EFTV 10 of the supposedly OU Kromrey machine demoed by Bedini, there is not a hint of OU nowhere around. The particular machine runs at 300 watts and charges much less..

I can talk for hours...  yet not one can provide any sensible counter argument. At Best his machines are peculliar (due to their pulsing nature) but nothing exotical. Clever enginnering and even more clever marketing!

For those not pursuaded, they should buy the several coming DvDs, and books of the Bedini league and sooner or later they will see my points.

I have built 3 Bedini motors and all of them work as advertised and I am very pleased with them.

They are a lot of fun to make and I learned a lot while building them.  I actually like my JonnyDavro replications of the One Magnet No Bearing Bedini Motor the best.

Bill

Then you must enjoy lots of Overunity... lucky man. LOL

How are your rates? One battery in for how many out?

Quote from: baroutologos on February 11, 2010, 01:14:19 PM
Then you must enjoy lots of Overunity... lucky man. LOL

How are your rates? One battery in for how many out?

My input is from my EER (Free energy) and the output is to a 9 volt.  It will run as long as you want it to.  It turns the magnet, charges the battery and also lights a 120 volt neon.  This has all been documented on my tube videos.

Bill

You consider it an answer regarding Bedini's alleged OU technology? pfff

@baroutologos

QuoteBedini in his site claims OU and COPs ranging from 1.7 to 60. Name a person with a cop of 1.0001 in the whole net based on Bedini concepts. Yet he circulates DVD after DVD and book after book saying  "THIS TIME YOU HAVE NOT EXCUSE NOT TO MAKE AN OU DEVICE" yet no matter how much meticulus tries have been made by fine craftmen, nothing is to be found.

I think you know what the real problem is as well as most of the other critics, you are looking for someone to blame for your own lack of success. Your ego will not let you admit you could be wrong or that you do not have the required knowledge to succeed or do not have the determination to succeed--- so you blame and degrade others. I have been down this road many years ago and I can tell you it is a dead end, it serves no constructive purpose and will only make you more unhappy than you already are. My turning point was when I took a good hard look in the mirror and decided I will seek understanding first, I will do my own thing in my own time and I will accept responsibility for my failures, I will act as a responsible adult. From that point on things began to make much more sense and became very easy, many times the pressure we place on ourselves makes us our own worst enemy.
Regards
AC

So, if I understand zpfe, he will be putting Nikola Tesla on trial and trying to prove his devices/patents don't work ?
zpfe will try and sue the people who have been promoting "Do it yourself Technology" based on Tesla's work.

The courts are based on Equity (Admiralty Law, Corporate Code), unless you have evidence that you (flesh and blood) where injured (property or person) by these "experiments".

Maybe zpfe has proof that he was "forced" to buy their "Books and DVD's" based on their slick salesmanship (money back return guaranteed)!

There are a minimum of 278 patents issued to Tesla, in 26 countries.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Tesla_patents (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Tesla_patents)

Schpankme
Your mileage may vary

If somebody has "two left arms" and is not able to build,
you can also buy the Bedini devices as chargers over here:

http://www.r-charge.com/products.html
or
http://energenx.com/products.html

and as Kits over here:

http://potentialtec.com/

Bedini and Friedrich just released their 10 Pole Motor kit,
which looks pretty amazing with all their Plexiglas stands
and huge coils.

http://potentialtec.com/10EnergizerCoils.jpg
http://rpmgt.org/10PoleMonopole1.jpg

I have seen an new HD movie about it on Youtube somewhere
a few ays ago, but I can´t find the link to it.
It is not in their current
Energenx or Rickfriedrich Youtube accounts.

Stefan:

I think this might be the one you were talking about:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nA2KtZ45nXA (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nA2KtZ45nXA)

He explains a lot about his new system in this video.

Bill

Quote from: hartiberlin on February 11, 2010, 04:36:09 PMI have seen an new HD movie about it on Youtube somewhere

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nA2KtZ45nXA&hd=1
http://www.examiner.com/x-8199-Breakthrough-Energy-Examiner~y2010m2d9-Bedini-10coil-energizer-kits-now-available
http://pesn.com/2010/02/09/9501612_Bedini_10-Coil-Energizer-Kits_Now_Available/

Quote from: allcanadian on February 11, 2010, 01:50:32 PM
@baroutologos
I think you know what the real problem is as well as most of the other critics, you are looking for someone to blame for your own lack of success. Your ego will not let you admit you could be wrong or that you do not have the required knowledge to succeed or do not have the determination to succeed--- so you blame and degrade others. I have been down this road many years ago and I can tell you it is a dead end, it serves no constructive purpose and will only make you more unhappy than you already are. My turning point was when I took a good hard look in the mirror and decided I will seek understanding first, I will do my own thing in my own time and I will accept responsibility for my failures, I will act as a responsible adult. From that point on things began to make much more sense and became very easy, many times the pressure we place on ourselves makes us our own worst enemy.
Regards
AC

How much Overunity with Bedini devices you enjoy so far pal?

Quote from: baroutologos on February 11, 2010, 05:53:54 PM
How much Overunity with Bedini devices you enjoy so far pal?

How many have you made and what were your results?  Do you have any videos of your replications?  If you were not able to make it work correctly, possibly someone here will help you do so.

Bill

help me work.... jeez. most of people around are a bunch of noobs thinking the magnetic field collapse as extra energy..

I ask again and seek a straight answer. HOW MUCH OVERUNITY YOU HAVE or anyone have?

FIGURES PLS no teachings

Quote from: baroutologos on February 11, 2010, 05:59:01 PM
help me work.... jeez. most of people around are a bunch of noobs thinking the magnetic field collapse as extra energy..

I ask again and seek a straight answer. HOW MUCH OVERUNITY YOU HAVE or anyone have?

FIGURES PLS no teachings

and you're the noob who just discovered tesla... ::)

i will agree...
I was the NOOB to hear Bedini BS and not study Tesla in the first place

Quote from: baroutologos on February 12, 2010, 03:37:23 AM
i will agree...
I was the NOOB to hear Bedini BS and not study Tesla in the first place

that's not agreeing with what i said. i said, "and you're the noob who just discovered tesla..." which you changed to something entirely different... ::)

ha! Whether you accepted or not... Bedini et all are all Bullshiters. Noone ever not gonna see any OU by following their lectures. Period.

If you come up with any Bedini style OU device i will admit my mistake. Till then, you can be quiet..

Quote from: baroutologos on February 12, 2010, 08:11:44 AM
ha! Whether you accepted or not... Bedini et all are all Bullshiters. Noone ever not gonna see any OU by following their lectures. Period.

If you come up with any Bedini style OU device i will admit my mistake. Tii then, STFU NOOB!

i didn't accept it... i think that was pretty clear when i said "that's not agreeing with what i said". now, regarding your statement that "Noone ever not gonna see any OU by following their lectures". are you by chance, familiar with the concept of a double negative? for example: 'we don't need no education' is another way of saying 'we need education', so it sounds like you are saying people will find OU by following their lectures... period? sounds like you are pretty sure of yourself, which is surprising, since you admitted to having just found out about tesla...

so now i'm a noob? because you just found out about tesla? ::) LOL

hey, totally off topic but did you ever wonder why no one came to assist you when you asked about stiffler SEC stuff over at energetic? the answer is in allcandian's response to you.

I can answer why no-ones assists me on Dr stifller's. First, because Dr Stiffler has more or less become old and strange... and secondly because no-ones knows how to assist me. I ask only for plain overunity or at least the path. From reading so much time, NO-ONE has come even close to that.

Most people who restrain from me are: the offended merchands (that I spoil their MArketing campaigns) and the pathetic non-thinking subjects (that they will wake soon or later). Only few people with who i am talking with, are really open minded and mystified and really want to learn...

no more chat from me. SHOW OU or be quiet!

Quote from: baroutologos on February 12, 2010, 11:48:00 AM
no more chat from me.

oh, if we could only be so lucky... ;)

Quote from: zpfe on September 22, 2008, 03:57:24 PM
I purchased the renaissance charger RC-2A12 and reversed engineered it despite the fact that it was drowned in black potting epoxy to keep the prying eyes out. Thank God for my sand blaster!

There is NOTHING novel about this charger that you couldn't buy on the Internet today that has not been available for over 30 years.

As a technician I invite the opportunity to review
this schematic and any pics you took at the time.

I will actually be looking for previous patents it is a copy of,
hence the potted technique of secrecy they currently use.

Please find an email address in a private message to you
send them to it if you would be so kind.

I will validate this to others here upon review,
even though way to many are mere mud-slingers.

Thanks in advance


CRAP:
I see the OU messaging system stills sucks and is still broken,
even with scripts and java enabled, IE and FireFox both fail...

Please message me with your email,
I can't send, but I can receive them.

Thanks

The first thing that comes to my mind on the Bedini charger/generator validation is as with other recent engineers - if what they discovered is for real and they are U$ citizens, then why didn't they do as all the others and hide their designs as best they could and keep all the CA$H for themselves? Instead they have given it all out freely and continue to do improvements, further lessening our imprisonment to the existing energy suppliers. 32 years ago while peaking through magazines in the high school library, one thing that amazed me was the mileage records obtained were around 2300mpg for straight gasoline. And having looked again last year it was at over 4000mpg for straight gasoline. This is just one of the many hidden truths all in the name of MONEY --- No it's not 'Green Acres' but rather 'The Beverly Hillbillies'

In quoting one of the first comments made here ZPFE

"I can not, and will not standby and see our young and fruitful minds be wasted and raped from the true pleasure of discovery. "

You wanna know what rape is? Rape is buying a Ford 6.7 l diesel motor and having $14,000 in repairs in your first year of ownership and a warranty system that somehow disguises itself and leaves you flat. From a major corporation - nationwide. With no recourse. What's th worst thing that could happen to you failing to crate free energy ala Bedini style, you ultimately DO throw away that computer fan, instead of keeping it? Come on... that' ridiculous. When is the last time you charged batteries and got wind in your hair. And, observed a motor that's current draw decreases when you load it, and it's charging ability apparently improves. That's interesting. You're not.

Quote from: hoptoad on September 22, 2008, 09:33:50 PM

http://www.totallyamped.net/adams

Cheers

Question for you on page 8 pf totallyamped.net, you say (if this is your work? I'm not sure..):
"There has never been an analogue meter built, which can measure AC current directly, so we'll have to assume that the meter has it's own inbuilt full wave bridge to convert the current to DC. Always question what you see!"

Would this not consumer power and thus render itself useless or would it somehow be calibrated to calculate that.

Quote from: Pirate88179 on February 11, 2010, 01:11:54 PM

I have built 3 Bedini motors and all of them work as advertised and I am very pleased with them.

They are a lot of fun to make and I learned a lot while building them.  I actually like my JonnyDavro replications of the One Magnet No Bearing Bedini Motor the best.

Bill

Man I'll tell you what. I wanna build that thing and if it doesn't charge a lemon, I don't give a s#$hit that is ART! Overunity or not... that is a smart-chick magnet if i EVER saw one. i LOVE it. Every tinkerer should build one of those for his coffee table. Here Here Bill.

PS Bill >> Your video on running a fluorescent tube on an earth battery is better and will make a bigger difference (once I replicate) on my life and severals around me, than anything I've seen online period. Sometimes small is huge. If I combine that with Jonnydavro's SEC, ill be chopping wodd without a headlamp. Brilliant work and really, completely over unity (in my mind) So congratulations to you man.

kcarring:

Thanks man, I really do appreciate that.

Bill

I still welcome the oppourtunity
to review your proof of this ZPFE.

Could you put all pics taken
and a schematic in an archive.

And upload it here:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=downloads;sa=add;cat=25
For all of us to research please ?

I'm betting there are previous patents
on this exact approach taken by them.



UPDATE:
It seems Mark hasn't been here in a while
"Last Active: October 03, 2008, 06:38:54 PM"

Anyone have a new nick for him,
or know what forum he haunts now ?

Quote from: CompuTutor on February 12, 2010, 06:25:20 PM

Quote from: zpfe on September 22, 2008, 03:57:24 PM
I purchased the renaissance charger RC-2A12
and reversed engineered it despite the fact
that it was drowned in black potting epoxy
to keep the prying eyes out.
Thank God for my sand blaster!

There is NOTHING novel about this charger
that you couldn't buy on the Internet today
that has not been available for over 30 years.

As a technician I invite the opportunity to review
this schematic and any pics you took at the time.

I will actually be looking for previous patents it is a copy of,
hence the potted technique of secrecy they currently use.

I will validate this to others here upon review,
even though way to many are mere mud-slingers.

Thanks in advance

JOHN BEDINI HAS AN AUTOTUNE SONG!!! Random story, so I was listening to random tracks on iamtpain the other night (it's an autotune iphone app for recording freestyle hiphop songs). Anyway, someone made a freestyle track impersonating John Bedini! LMFAO! I'm sorry John, but the lyrics are pretty hilarious!
I met him at the 2011 Renaissance Charge Conference and I got the impression that he was fairly self-absorbed and not genuinely interested in connecting with the people that came from all around the world to see him... I tried to start a conversation with him about back EMF and his response was "where do you want me to put my autograph"? I was not even wanting him to sign anything for me... hmm.
Anyway, I'm not sure if he knows about the autotune song (could be a viral marketing campaign for his next conference?). Anyway, in case anyone wants to hear it, here's the link: http://iamtpain.smule.com/mysongs/track/1806404

you are barking up the wrong tree... these guys are probably not rich, you won't get any money from them.  Try Steorn, that company got a lot of money from investors.  You may get something out of them.