I think I have figured out an extremely easy way to harness free energy. Very easy to duplicate. I have a prototype that has proven my concept, yet it is so damn small, due to lack of materials and money, I am not confident with my tests to actually claim it truely works, or that it will even work any period of time yet.
BUT... While I'm scrounging up materials, to finish this, I would really like to know the proper steps to get this thing out there. Can anyone explain the GPL to me better, and how I go about getting it? I thought the GPL was only for software, and not think you could use it for a free energy generator? I'm sure I'm wrong, but I simply dont know anything about it, and I want to start taking the steps to getting this thing protected for everyone.
Also, with a GPL, can it be set, so that it is free for everyones personal use, but if a company builds it for profit, a small percentage would have to be paid to the owner? Would that violate the overunity prize adding that into the liscense?
Also, I have heard that the U.S. Government has thousands of patents for free energy devices, hidden. I'll be honest, this is simple as hell, and I would be shocked if nobody has ever done this before. What happens if I apply for a GPL, and a patent was already issued, for one tiny piece of it, and hidden? The whole damn thing would become illegal to produce wouldn't it?
Anyway, I just need a little help from someone who may have already gotten a GPL before, and knows what's required. I dont have much money, and honestly I'm a bit scared to give any details of what I'm working on for fear someone will patent it that can afford to, and screw me, and everyone else here, by not releasing the info.
So what do I do? Hell, maybe I'll find out like everyone else always does that something has been overlooked and my multimeter is not reliable, or whatever. But the fact is, assume I did, or any one of us did it. What the hell do we do then?
Thanks for any help.
if you haven't read Open Source Vs. Patenting (found here: http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=1821.0) then i don't know what to tell you... :-\
Is it scalable? Have you duplicated it? Is it a closed loop?
As for the gpl licensing check out...
http://www.gnu.org/copyleft/gpl.html
What might pop up at first is;
QuoteDevelopers that use the GNU GPL protect your rights with two steps: (1) assert copyright on the software, and (2) offer you this License giving you legal permission to copy, distribute and/or modify it.
And;
QuoteCan I use the GPL for something other than software?
You can apply the GPL to any kind of work, as long as it is clear what constitutes the “source code†for the work. The GPL defines this as the preferred form of the work for making changes in it.
However, for manuals and textbooks, or more generally any sort of work that is meant to teach a subject, we recommend using the GFDL rather than the GPL.
The following might also help;
QuoteThe notice for visually perceptible copies should contain three elements. They should appear together or in close proximity on the copies. The elements are:
1. The symbol © (the letter C in a circle), or the word “Copyright,†or the abbreviation “Copr.â€; and
2. The year of first publication. If the work is a derivative work or a compilation incorporating previously published material, the year date of first publication of the derivative work or compilation is sufficient. Examples of derivative works are translations or dramatizations; an example of a compilation is an anthology.
The year may be omitted when a pictorial, graphic, or sculptural work, with accompanying textual matter, if any, is reproduced in or on greeting cards, postcards, stationery, jewelry, dolls, toys, or useful articles; and
3. The name of the owner of copyright in the work, or an abbreviation by which the name can be recognized, or a generally known alternative designation of the owner.*
Example: © 2007 Jane Doe
Idk, I am more interested in hearing about your idea for generating free energy
than I am interested in telling you how to make people pay for that information.
Please tell us about your claimed discovery?
@Koen1: Are you that ignorant that you forgot to read? He wants to be sure his idea won't end up as a patent or not be free. There's a difference between sharing some ideas you have laying around and an idea you think works completely (not saying his does). I fully respect his will to stick a gpl license on this so it becomes free for the people.
@captainpecan: You also don't have to be that paranoid. If you share it here and get confirmed replications there will be no question about the source. Patents take way to long to process to be able to "steal" it. So just stamp a copyright notice on the the images/diagrams/drawings and share ;).
Broli,
as far as I know you do not need to get any form of license to spread the word
of your personal inventions or discoveries to the public.
You merely need to publish it widely enough (so not just in one or two
obscure websites or magazines, but as many as possible or at least
a number of respected media), stating very clearly that this is an idea you had,
explaining your idea in detail, and claiming copyright on the idea.
That gives you intellectual property of the idea.
You may then include a paragraph stating that you intend the information
to be spread and used freely by the public, and that any use of the information
intended for commercial use or attempts to proprietise the information
by commercial parties is in violation with your copyright and your intended use
of the information.
This should cover the idea enough to keep others from patenting the idea,
or otherwise stealing credit, or keeping it from the public.
At least, it should allow the public to access and use the information freely.
Of course, if the information was ever patented or copyrighted before you
published it, you will be in violation of those rights, and you will probably
have to publish a formal retraction and rectification of your copyright claim.
But if you include a disclaimer stating that you have searched but not found any
precedents, and that you will retract your claim if any party comes forward who
had staked a claim on the same idea or information before you published it,
then you should still be in the clear.
In any case, if the invention (device?) is simple enough to build, it still wouldn't
really matter if it were patented before, as any person may freely replicate
any patented device as long as it will not be used for commercial gain.
So you may build any patented device you can for personal use, as long as
you don't sell the device for profit, and as long as you don't use the device
to produce anything that you sell for profit. Theoretically, a non-profit group
should be able to build patented devices for personal use by the members
of said group. And you may also spread the word about the exact details
and construction tips of the patented device, as long as you keep mentioning
the patent, the patent number, and the patent holder, and as long as you
keep pointing out that it is in fact patented and that commercial use is not
allowed without licensing from the patent holder.
So you see, a patent is not necessarily the huge obstacle it may seem to be.
It only blocks any commercial exploitation of an idea by anyone other than the
patent holder. It does not block the public from gaining knowledge about the
patented concept, nor does it block anyone from building or using the concept
in a non-commercial way.
Instead of accusing me or being ignorant, perhaps you should think some more
before you post accusations?
If he just wants the idea to become public, he must simply make it public and
claim copyright for the atricle, monologue, paper, or whatever medium he wants
to use to put his idea to the public. Even if it turns out that it was already patented
he can just write an article explaining the patent and referring clearly to the patent,
and if it is copyrigted he can write an article linking or referring to the copyrighted
article and discussing certain points that he deems important.
Nobody can keep you from spreading an idea, even if someone else had the idea before you.
If you look at Thane Heins perpetia thread http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=4047.3360
It is 84 pages and I think he was talking the same stuff that you are saying now. I don't know if anyone ever
replicated it.
If you have something just say what you have. No one can patents something that is publically disclosed.
The enemy has smashed the door and is coming in. No amount of money will save any of us.
Do you have the silver bullet?
Quote from: AhuraMazda on October 17, 2008, 10:12:39 AM
If you look at Thane Heins perpetia thread http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=4047.3360
It is 84 pages and I think he was talking the same stuff that you are saying now. I don't know if anyone ever
replicated it.
If you have something just say what you have. No one can patents something that is publically disclosed.
The enemy has smashed the door and is coming in. No amount of money will save any of us.
Do you have the silver bullet?
Yes, and look for all the similar claims made over the last centuries...
First, you should check out the history, many thousands of (nonworking!) patents made throughout the years...
I'm not sure, but it appears you're not aware of this. ?
OK; the chances you've really got something (FE/OU/PM) are - minuscule... ;D
Think about your discovery, your prototype, energy conversions involved, physics, maths,....
Of course, with a decent proof of a concept device you'll win the trophy in no time...
No need to disclose your discovery here if you have other plans. But I would advise you to look for some knowledgable / competent person(s) you can trust (close friends?) to check out your (FE) concept.
Don't start another FE tale, if you're not sure about the result....
OK?
in my experience just give it away public for all for free
you know how the universe works???
it will give back in return many times fold!! ;)
but you must first transmitt in ordor to recieve 8)
i have seen this first hand....
ist
QuoteDon't start another FE tale, if you're not sure about the result....
I 100% agree... believe me. That's why I'm trying to not say I have proven it to be the greatest ever... Because the fact is, I only have very good results, with a small protype, built virtually with garbage, lol... It does prove the concept, however. And with my "personal" testing, it's shows free energy. But my personal testing doesn't mean a damn thing, lol. I'm very aware of that.
I do appreciate these replies. And no fear, whether I get it finished and totally proven or not, I'm going to release it right here. Even if it ends up not being what I believe it is, maybe one of you could help with that last bit of knowledge that could make it a go. I just want to make sure if it really is what I believe, someone doesn't take the knowledge, patent it, and screw us all by not releasing it.
im in if you want my help im sure i can get to the bottom of it altho i am quite busy thease days
put it up
if it is simple and i can help to finish/ improve it i will
for free
i want nothing from it as now i have already many ou devices built ;)
ist
Indeed go ahead and share it.
Please share.
If you think what you have discovered is really worth it... you can always self-patent to get a patent pending status for just a couple hundred dollars. This would protect your invention for a year from others trying to copy your work for profit while getting a good peer evaluation. From my limited experience, patents are only as good as the lawyers you can hire to protect them. If you can not afford the lawyers, chances are you would lose a court fight for your invention. A clear patent pending status of an invention would at least allow for room to negotiate some royaltities IMHO. But then again, I am no lawyer.
Good luck.
Bill
Quote from: innovation_station on October 17, 2008, 12:02:32 PM
in my experience just give it away public for all for free
you know how the universe works???
it will give back in return many times fold!! ;)
but you must first transmitt in ordor to recieve 8)
i have seen this first hand....
ist
i totally agree with this , wouldnt it be great if there was somthing simple that any one would make out of general junk, and it simply spread like wild fire via mouth,the energy cartel can go beep it self,and then the *others* would fall apart more easily as well.
btw IST, i owe you an apology, ive never been to good at them but, im sorry for calling you a jackass(a few months back), i dont hate or dislike you, i enjoy reading your stuff,cept i hate reading, im more of a picture/video guy, ive been meaning to you for a while now,but 90% of the time im a little pig headed i think,your a good guy in my books.
Personally I would make arrangements that if anything were to happen to me, the details of my work would be automatically released on many forums.
Then I would post a notice to that effect on here...just to be on the safe side.
Best of luck, and here's hoping this is the real deal.
Regards...
Bump!
Hi!
If you are going to do something, do it fast, because there is another claim for the prize here:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=5864.0
Jesus
@ captainpecan,
I’ve found a youtube video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L4HuOp7x1dY under the same username. Is it yours or just a coincidence?
I can see there are some issues already discussing it. My view about magnetic motors is very clear: it can not possibly work. In the above video, energy saved by shielding is still later required when rotating whichever magnet, so no gain. I’d be glad if you could prove me wrong. Hopefully, if the video is yours, you’ve perfected the device; rudimentary of not, it does not really matter if it proves a working concept.
Cheers,
Tinu
the prize is a joke i could have taken this over 1 year ago....
i dont want it ...
dude your concept will work!!
but there is a another way i have been tossing around my mind... it is to cancel the flux but on a coil ;)
here is how you do it you need a bifillar generator coil 1 side is generation the other is a re fired flux canceling coil...basiclly the back emf that would normally slow down the motor generator will be collected in a cap and converted to the oppsite magnetic feild and dumped on the coil i think you could just do this by shorting the second coil upon its self .... it will convert the radient engery kickback to magnetic engery and repell the magnet or attract the magnet depending upon dirrection of wind...
i think bill mullar did this thaine is doing this ... others have and continue to ... i have not personally tryed this yet but at some point i will
also there was a awsome design i saw on youtube a long time ago called flux sheilding generator but the design was much diffrent than yours
ist
back to work now!!! lol
Before you do anything, change the battery in your multi-meter and do your measurments again.
Quote from: tinu on October 20, 2008, 06:33:23 AM
@ captainpecan,
I’ve found a youtube video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L4HuOp7x1dY under the same username. Is it yours or just a coincidence?
I can see there are some issues already discussing it. My view about magnetic motors is very clear: it can not possibly work. In the above video, energy saved by shielding is still later required when rotating whichever magnet, so no gain. I’d be glad if you could prove me wrong. Hopefully, if the video is yours, you’ve perfected the device; rudimentary of not, it does not really matter if it proves a working concept.
Cheers,
Tinu
lol... yeah that's mine. But it has absolutely nothing to do with this. I played with that idea until I came to the same conclusion as everyone else, and moved onto something that actually has a chance of working. It is not driven by magnets. It's simply a new way to harness kinetic energy with very little input. I'll explain more when I have better proof, I'm working on obtaining materials.
Quote from: innovation_station on October 20, 2008, 07:28:37 AM
the prize is a joke i could have taken this over 1 year ago....
i dont want it ...
dude your concept will work!!
What concept? He hasn't even told us his idea yet... ???
Quote from: innovation_station on October 20, 2008, 07:28:37 AM
dude your concept will work!!
I do think there is something hiding we havn't figured out yet that could make a magnet motor possible. Unfortunately I was spending a great amount of time, staring at magnets, and not getting anywhere, lol... There is another concept I'm dying to try, but once again, I dont have the materials. I'm not seeing anyone messing with Bismuth to redirect magnetic fields? Although I'm still thinking through this stuff, it's not as important as my other design. Anyone got access to bismuth and interested in PM's? I've got an interesting idea if someone wants to play with it.
Quote from: captainpecan on October 20, 2008, 12:00:25 PM
I do think there is something hiding we havn't figured out yet that could make a magnet motor possible. Unfortunately I was spending a great amount of time, staring at magnets, and not getting anywhere, lol... There is another concept I'm dying to try, but once again, I dont have the materials. I'm not seeing anyone messing with Bismuth to redirect magnetic fields?
No, not many working on that... Probably because it requires liquid nitrogen cooling to get it near superconductivity? Which is just about the only
good use I can come up with regarding the combination Bismuth and magnetic fields...
QuoteAlthough I'm still thinking through this stuff, it's not as important as my other design. Anyone got access to bismuth and interested in PM's? I've got an interesting idea if someone wants to play with it.
Let me guess, using superconductive Bismuth to reflect the magnetic field of a PM, then use that to make the magnet repel itself,
thereby at least doing away with the second magnet you'd otherwise need, and getting rid of a "sticky point" doing so?
;)
In any case, you shouldn't have too much trouble obtaining Bismuth...
Assuming for the moment that you live in the USA, you should be able to get Bismuth shot (pellets), since some time ago they
started using Bismuth instead of Lead for shot filling in shotgun shells (and shells for hunting rifles). Since it has a relatively
low melting point, you should be able to pry the shot from a couple of Bi-filled shotgun shells and simply melt it down,
cast it into any shape you want.
Alternatively, there are rare metal suppliers that can supply Bismuth, but most only want to ship large quantities.
And there are shops like www.smart-elements.com that sell small amounts of all kinds of rare elements.
At the moment the only Bismuth I have is alloyed with Tin and Lead in the form of Rose's Metal alloy, which is
great for very low melting points but useless for superconductivity experiments.
Would still like to hear your original idea. But since you already said you will post it here when you're ready,
I guess there's little I can do but wait. ;) :D
Quote from: Koen1 on October 20, 2008, 12:23:13 PM
No, not many working on that... Probably because it requires liquid nitrogen cooling to get it near superconductivity? Which is just about the only
good use I can come up with regarding the combination Bismuth and magnetic fields... Let me guess, using superconductive Bismuth to reflect the magnetic field of a PM, then use that to make the magnet repel itself,
thereby at least doing away with the second magnet you'd otherwise need, and getting rid of a "sticky point" doing so?
;)
In any case, you shouldn't have too much trouble obtaining Bismuth...
Assuming for the moment that you live in the USA, you should be able to get Bismuth shot (pellets), since some time ago they
started using Bismuth instead of Lead for shot filling in shotgun shells (and shells for hunting rifles). Since it has a relatively
low melting point, you should be able to pry the shot from a couple of Bi-filled shotgun shells and simply melt it down,
cast it into any shape you want.
Alternatively, there are rare metal suppliers that can supply Bismuth, but most only want to ship large quantities.
And there are shops like www.smart-elements.com that sell small amounts of all kinds of rare elements.
At the moment the only Bismuth I have is alloyed with Tin and Lead in the form of Rose's Metal alloy, which is
great for very low melting points but useless for superconductivity experiments.
Would still like to hear your original idea. But since you already said you will post it here when you're ready,
I guess there's little I can do but wait. ;) :D
It is also found in Pepto-Bismol . If you contact Psittacosis (Parrot Fever)Bismuth is used as part of the treatment.
I had that problem and tried to obtain just Bismuth could not get it here in Canada.
Since 9/11 shipping it might be a Problem.
professor
Quote from: captainpecan on October 17, 2008, 12:35:18 AM
Also, with a GPL, can it be set, so that it is free for everyones personal use, but if a company builds it for profit, a small percentage would have to be paid to the owner?
If you want a percentage to go back to you, you shouldn't be considering the GPL.
Quote from: captainpecan on October 17, 2008, 12:35:18 AM
Also, I have heard that the U.S. Government has thousands of patents for free energy devices, hidden.
That's OU conspiracy nonsense. I challenge anyone to post credible details on the goverment's secret free energy patents. Did they just 'erase' them from the USPTO as well? ::)
Quote from: captainpecan on October 17, 2008, 12:35:18 AM
What happens if I apply for a GPL, and a patent was already issued, for one tiny piece of it, and hidden? The whole damn thing would become illegal to produce wouldn't it?
No, because patent violations are closer to civil trials, not criminal. This is one reason the whole government OU patent conspiracy is nonsense. The government would have to drag you into court to show you violated their 'secret patent', which would be self defeating. Plus they'd have to silence all of the inventors, attorneys, patent examiners. You may as well believe in total nonsense like Men In Black, the mysterious black helicopters, chemtrails and NESARA. ;D
@ wizard
That's OU conspiracy nonsense. I challenge anyone to post credible details on the goverment's secret free energy patents. Did they just 'erase' them from the USPTO as well? ::)
It's a known fact, The USPTO/CIA/FBI/United States Goverment and Armed Forces holds technology. When Tesla died, The then new boys in black were the first to raid and take all his documents, which of many have not been released ( about 40 ) , just like the CIA investigation JFK assasintion files, which will not be released till 2038 ( 75 year grace period (( your government policy)), Tesla's are due out sometime sooner. So what does this all mean? Nothing. I'm not taking ur challenge. My minds made up. ;)
Quote from: X00013 on October 20, 2008, 08:04:54 PM
@ wizard
That's OU conspiracy nonsense. I challenge anyone to post credible details on the goverment's secret free energy patents. Did they just 'erase' them from the USPTO as well? ::)
It's a known fact, The USPTO/CIA/FBI/United States Goverment and Armed Forces holds technology. When Tesla died, The then new boys in black were the first to raid and take all his documents, which of many have not been released ( about 40 ) , just like the CIA investigation JFK assasintion files, which will not be released till 2038 ( 75 year grace period (( your government policy)), Tesla's are due out sometime sooner. So what does this all mean? Nothing. I'm not taking ur challenge. My minds made up. ;)
It is not a known fact. It just gets passed on from one tinfoil wearing loon to another. And now, you have it.
Quote from: wizardofmars
I challenge anyone to post credible details on the goverment's secret free energy patents.
http://www.uspto.gov/web/offices/pac/mpep/consolidated_laws.pdf (http://www.uspto.gov/web/offices/pac/mpep/consolidated_laws.pdf)
Chapter 17 lays groundwork for such abuse...
Quote from: utilitarian on October 20, 2008, 09:44:37 PM
It is not a known fact. It just gets passed on from one tinfoil wearing loon to another. And now, you have it.
I think the JFK investigation observation holds fact in reality.
That alone gives credence to possibility of many other theories.
Let's just cut to the chase and admit USA gov't lies to it's people and the world.
But conspiracy or not, I'd like to hear the proposed idea being a new harness of kinetic energy.
If it is able to be proven physically by multiple individuals it's all good, but the multiple individuals part is important.
@ captain
Even if you are in the preliminary stages of this idea, wouldn't it be a better leverage of everyones time if you would @ least describe the premise of the idea?
Then there might be parallel development that can be capitalized upon by everyone.
Open source means that anyone can do ANYTHING with it as long as they include the GNU license agreement and post a full change log of what revisions the idea has gone through with credits to those editors since it's inception.
There will always be the techno-phobes that want someone to do it for them, but as long as the materials are readily available, the enterprising individual will spread this technology, and that needs to happen fast.
If it works, saves money, and in non-harmful to man or the environment, at least some here will know where the this potential gift to mankind was born. ;)
Since you don't even know if it will work, what could it hurt?
;D
Quote from: captainpecan on October 17, 2008, 12:35:18 AM
I think I have figured out an extremely easy way to harness free energy. Very easy to duplicate. I have a prototype that has proven my concept, yet it is so damn small, due to lack of materials and money, I am not confident with my tests to actually claim it truely works, or that it will even work any period of time yet.
So what do I do? Hell, maybe I'll find out like everyone else always does that something has been overlooked and my multimeter is not reliable, or whatever. But the fact is, assume I did, or any one of us did it. What the hell do we do then?
Thanks for any help.
What you do now is figure out where your mistake is.
Seriously, before you conclude you have broken the most fundamental laws of physics, laws that have held up to the most rigorous of testing, maybe you should double-check your work.
Quote from: utilitarian on October 21, 2008, 05:55:23 AM
What you do now is figure out where your mistake is.
Seriously, before you conclude you have broken the most fundamental laws of physics, laws that have held up to the most rigorous of testing, maybe you should double-check your work.
I never claimed to break any laws of physics. In fact, my device follows every single law exactly. Long story short, I've found a way to directly convert most all forms of kinetic energy, in such a way that the effect of lenz law is isolated as to not effect the input. Thereby ending up with free energy, not overunity. Simply converted kenetic, that could be hooked to most everyones existing projects and show positive results. At least in theory... That is why I am working on increasing the effectiveness another few days or so, to be positive of my results.
Just hang tight, it's coming, I just hope it proves as important is it appears to be right now.
Quote from: X00013 on October 20, 2008, 08:04:54 PM
@ wizard
That's OU conspiracy nonsense. I challenge anyone to post credible details on the goverment's secret free energy patents. Did they just 'erase' them from the USPTO as well? ::)
It's a known fact, The USPTO/CIA/FBI/United States Goverment and Armed Forces holds technology. When Tesla died, The then new boys in black were the first to raid and take all his documents, which of many have not been released ( about 40 ) , just like the CIA investigation JFK assasintion files, which will not be released till 2038 ( 75 year grace period (( your government policy)), Tesla's are due out sometime sooner. So what does this all mean? Nothing. I'm not taking ur challenge. My minds made up. ;)
Please don't even reply to that Guy he is a jerk with nothing but negativity to every post he replies to "just look at his record".
People need to ignore him because he is just that kind of guy. Mommy's neglected child.
professor
captainpecan,
Simply release your findings here or anywhere else on the Web. You can use more than one outlet so to ensure uninterrupted publication and presence. Alternatively have www.archive.org spider the website couple of times so it gets recorded in their databases as well.
If you wish to give it out for free then this is all you have to do. Once you have posted your materials (claim and replication instructions), it becomes Prior Art and anybody trying to patent the idea will have a hard time claiming it is theirs if there's a track record of the same in the past.
Otherwise, you can write up everything about it, even include the model you have and mail it to yourself registered mail. Keep the receipt but do not open the package once you receive it, just tuck it away. This is the simplest way to copyright an item and also ensure Prior Art.
This was free and uneducated advice in law, put whatever value you deem fit to it. :)
Quote from: innovation_station on October 20, 2008, 07:28:37 AM
the prize is a joke i could have taken this over 1 year ago....
i dont want it ...
dude your concept will work!!
but there is a another way i have been tossing around my mind... it is to cancel the flux but on a coil ;)
here is how you do it you need a bifillar generator coil 1 side is generation the other is a re fired flux canceling coil...basiclly the back emf that would normally slow down the motor generator will be collected in a cap and converted to the oppsite magnetic feild and dumped on the coil i think you could just do this by shorting the second coil upon its self .... it will convert the radient engery kickback to magnetic engery and repell the magnet or attract the magnet depending upon dirrection of wind...
i think bill mullar did this thaine is doing this ... others have and continue to ... i have not personally tryed this yet but at some point i will
also there was a awsome design i saw on youtube a long time ago called flux sheilding generator but the design was much diffrent than yours
ist
back to work now!!! lol
You say you have working OU devices.. What devices?
Jason
Hollywood version, has some merit. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KwoakFvvLIo
@Captainpecan
Do you still think you've got it?
Fred
Quote from: Fred Flintstone on October 30, 2008, 11:07:37 AM
@Captainpecan
Do you still think you've got it?
Fred
Actually, the answer is yes. I am 100% sure now. I'm working on completing my circuits, as I still have to move wires around by hand to keep it running. It's a simple issue of having to make some homemade relays, and I'm beating my head against the wall right now getting it done, lol. At this point in time, I have drifted from the original idea because I found an even better way. As soon as I get the working prototype flawless, I will be going to the local college and getting it tested. Then I will release it all right here.
Are you kidding? College first then here...hahaha.
Quote from: broli on November 01, 2008, 03:34:10 PM
Are you kidding? College first then here...hahaha.
lol! yeah that was a good one ::) lol
I'm glad you find it funny. My best friend is a professor for K-State University. I see no problem getting proven measurements to back it all up, from credited sources. Believe me, I have already released video's to a friend on this forum, I will release it for everyone soon. Unless that would be to funny too? I do not have the GPL in place yet, and I'm making the proper movements to make sure this is not going to get patented by anyone.
I'm not really interested in discussing this anymore until I am ready to release it.
the only creditably source here is the math behind it which you are not sharing.
we can add numbers too you know, at least some of us. numbers don't lie only people do ;)
Quote from: FreeEnergy on November 02, 2008, 02:21:57 AM
the only creditably source here is the math behind it which you are not sharing.
we can add numbers too you know, at least some of us. numbers don't lie only people do ;)
You want to add numbers? You have a really high number in this forum, look for my PM's!
Quote from: captainpecan on November 02, 2008, 04:07:24 AM
You want to add numbers? You have a really high number in this forum, look for my PM's!
i got your PM. you have 24 hours! :)
Quote from: FreeEnergy on November 02, 2008, 04:24:11 AM
i got your PM. you have 24 hours! :)
Videos are in your email now! Enjoy. Your opinion would be appreciated please.
ok got the videos...
1. the videos are poor quality like you mentioned in the email.
2. is it just me or i hear no sound in these videos?
3. i kind of have an idea what your doing in the videos but still need more info. how about a diagram on how this baby functions.
email me the diagram so maybe i can build this thing and confirm that it works.
i already have couple of magnets, the rest i am sure i can buy it at radio shack?
bro drop your dwg i have everything here will build asap ..
to back you up and trust me that is essencial round here.....
as sad as it is.... so i have seen any ways...
ist 8)
Quote from: FreeEnergy on November 03, 2008, 03:05:16 AM
ok got the videos...
1. the videos are poor quality like you mentioned in the email.
2. is it just me or i hear no sound in these videos?
3. i kind of have an idea what your doing in the videos but still need more info. how about a diagram on how this baby functions.
Yeah, unfortunately at the time, all I had was a cellphone to shoot the video and it wasnt good quality. Everything is explained in detail if you can hear the sound. It works great using quicktime, it's a really wierd file extention. I suggest to update your quicktime software, it's free, and you will hear the sound just fine. I hope. ;)
Why don't you just type what you said in the phone vid?
It's all a bit dodgy... So you come here and ask for advice
or maybe even assistance, but you refuse to just tell us
what you're on about...
... you do email some guy vids of whatever it is you want
to talk about, but you don't talk about it? And you don't
allow us to watch those same vids?
It's really difficult to give any type of proper feedback
if you don't explain what you want feedback on...
Is your idea like InnovationStation suggests "simply" a
scalar back emf collector coil setup? If that is the case,
then IST does appear to give a good description which
seems to be in line with what Bearden, Bedini, and
some others have said about scalar "radiant energy"
collection.
But since I still haven't seen any clear description of
your idea, it's all just guessing at this point.
It's an enema wrapped in misery.
Er...
An enigma wrapped in a mystery. ;D
I was referring to the opinion of who has seen the videos. I will post videos shortly on here, I need to make better ones. I am just not ready to release it yet to everyone. I did take the steps to share it with a few who are attempting duplication now for some feedback.
Honestly I'm not trying to be dodgy, just careful. I know I have not told enough information for anyone but those who are duplicating it to even form an opinion.
no i did not get the sound to work so far...
just share what you have with everyone and lets get this thing going already!
post a diagram and stop farting around!
there are a lot of people way more equipped than me here to replicate this thing!
once this thing is out in the open there is no way it can be suppressed. start by sharing here then other free energy websites on a mass scale! who cares if you get the credit or not, i know i wouldn't care if i got the credit or not. freeing the world is a lot more important! but don't worry i am sure you will get the credit if you do it right...again please read the Open Source Vs Patenting thread (http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=1821.0) read what Stefan had to say he is right on target!
what is required to replicate this..... hummm i said i would do it .....
no pics no dwg.....
i have im sure all i need i have an o scope too....
but it dont matter .....
i got lots of stuff that works to work on .. ;D
ist
Hi!
I dont know but saying you have something and not showing seems to be the daily bread of this free energy forum.
Jesus
Quote from: FreeEnergy on November 05, 2008, 02:54:49 AM
just share what you have with everyone and lets get this thing going already!
post a diagram and stop farting around!
there are a lot of people way more equipped than me here to replicate this thing!
Look, I've been discussing this with stefan. I'm working on proving this further. Have a little friggin respect, I could have just hidden this from everyone and just went off on my own. And I believe you are the one who said you wanted to replicate it, I simply let you see what I'm working on. I simply want to have my ducks in a row, and I want to be a little further before I release it totally.
I'm double checking some mathematics, and making sure things are right. Honestly, I was under the impression that people here in this forum are good open minded people. Why does it seem so many people are getting so damn rude for no reason. Just chill out. I will post everything soon, hold your horses.
Quote from: innovation_station on November 05, 2008, 09:18:29 AM
what is required to replicate this..... hummm i said i would do it .....
no pics no dwg.....
i have im sure all i need i have an o scope too....
but it dont matter .....
i got lots of stuff that works to work on .. ;D
ist
Hey, I've been trying to get ahold of you on messenger?????
i apologize.
look even if someone patents your idea or whatever people would still be able to replicate it for personal use instead of commercial use.
but yeah do whatever you think is best then, as long as it is open source.
thanks for sharing the video and i will keep the videos secrete until you come out with it, but don't take too long! :)
peace
I don't think anyone was rude or disrespected you. Maybe you have to double think the name of this thread. The motto here is simple...share without f**king around.
Quote from: FreeEnergy on November 06, 2008, 04:27:56 AM
i apologize.
look even if someone patents your idea or whatever people would still be able to replicate it for personal use instead of commercial use.
but yeah do whatever you think is best then, as long as it is open source.
thanks for sharing the video and i will keep the videos secrete until you come out with it, but don't take too long! :)
peace
Thank you. And yes, whether I can prove it truely is Free Energy or not, I will release it real soon. This is simply about me wishing to know for 100% fact, that what I am talking about is not a bunch of bull, and that I have not made some rediculous mistake somewhere. Because I plan on releasing it in as many places as I possibly can as fast as I possibly can. Believe me guys, if I'm right, I predict that there EASILY will be many free energy devices reported right here in this forum, within the first week of releasing this. This uses parts that most of you have laying around, and if not, you can purchase for less than $20. It actually can turn most any electric motor into both a motor, and a generator at the same time! In other words, you would send energy from this circuit into an electric motor, which in turn will run better than usual, and return more than the energy you input, out to you in return. Not only free turn of the motor that can be used for more generation of energy, but also a bonus of energy back to you immediately.
Right now, it appears that I have proven this all to be fact. There has been a question as to the accuracy of a certain mathematical equation that says this is impossible. This is why I have an appointment with a professor at the university, so I can get my hands on an oscilloscope and see if he can possibly blow holes in theory, or if I truely am right here. I will report back when I have proof, and post video, instructions, and everything needed to duplicate this immediately. Just hold your horses ;D
Hi!
@captainpecan
We appreciate your desire to share your invention.
Jesus
Hi captainpecan,
If I were you, first I would focus all my efforts to make sure for myself: my device really gives out more than I input and replicate it at least in two prototypes from off the shelf components.
And when I am 1000% sure again it really works in practice and it is reproducable and again I really receive more energy back than I put in, then and only then would I turn to any professor, ok? :)
I do hope you succeed!
rgds, Gyula
I have a degree in Mathematics. Please let me know if I can help in any way.
I cant wait to see what this is about my friend :) I really hope it works as this could make a big impact on today's and tomorrow's world :)
Quote from: captainpecan on November 06, 2008, 09:54:46 AM
It litterally can turn most any electric motor into both a motor, and a generator at the same time! In other words, you would send energy from this circuit into an electric motor, which in turn will run better than usual, and return more than the energy you input, out to you in return. Not only free turn of the motor that can be used for more generation of energy, but also a bonus of energy back to you immediately.
In general you are going to need to build a self running system loop from this to really prove
that it has overunity. AC instrumentation is too prone to error except to *suggest* something
is running overunity. I personally would not trust AC instrumentation to validate anything I was
going to invest any effort in. If you have any doubts at all in what your professor friend says then
I recommend you build a self running system, if possible. I can show you how to design a closed
loop from your device but it's center part needs to have an energy gain of (x3) three times to
overcome losses in other components of the loop. I wouldn't (even) require you to disclose how
it works.
:S:MarkSCoffman
@Captainpecan
At this point, how do you know that your circuit/invention/idea is producing more power than it consumes? In other words, what device are you using for measurements?
I have an open mind and am, for one, "holding my horses". This may be something and it may be nothing. I am willing to wait. Of course, as mentioned previously, the name of this topic is kind of like dangling fresh meat in front of very hungry sharks. I am not calling anyone on here a shark, it is just an analogy. These kinds of posts always get me excited. But, like many others here, we have been disappointed before many times. That's ok. It still does not keep us from getting excited by yet another new idea.
Best of luck to you and I hope you share this with all of us soon. I am a very firm believer in open source, which is why I am here. Regards.
Bill
I'm a very hungry shark. Please let me know time frame you will release information. At least a video of demo.
Thanks for the support guys. I will keep you all updated, and I will not keep you in the dark for long.
@captainpecan
QuoteIt actually can turn most any electric motor into both a motor, and a generator at the same time! In other words, you would send energy from this circuit into an electric motor, which in turn will run better than usual, and return more than the energy you input, out to you in return. Not only free turn of the motor that can be used for more generation of energy, but also a bonus of energy back to you immediately.
LOL, I just found this post ;D
I will take a wild guess how this works as I have a similar system.
A DC, PM commutated motor has certain attributes and properties, that is a DC motor can act as both a motor and a generator. A DC "motor" will draw maximum current at zero RPM and it will draw maximum current at maximum load. As the motor speed increases a BEMF evolves, Back Electromotive Force, this Bemf is the fact that the motor windings are cutting flux lines of the PM's and inducing a voltage in an opposite direction to the applied voltage. So here we have the applied voltage trying to move through the windings in one direction(motor function) and the windings cutting flux lines inducing a voltage, trying to move in the opposite direction(generator function). As Bemf is generated by the windings cutting flux lines the faster the motor spins the larger the Bemf voltage in opposition to the applied voltage, this is why a motor draws max current at zero RPM and minimum current at max RPM---Bemf induced voltage.At some point (max RPM) the applied voltage is very close to the Bemf voltage and if the applied voltage/current is reduced the motor instantly becomes a generator having a polarity opposite to that of the applied voltage. It should be noted that if the applied voltage is cut off the motor can produce an inductive discharge and this discharge is added to by the generator function---but that is another story ;D The DC motor has another attribute, that is the applied current produces the torque in the motor the voltage produces the RPM. As a generator the RPM produces voltage the torque produces current, so here we have symmetrical properties.
What nobody has considered is that the Bemf or generated voltage is real and is present when the "motor" is running, an easy experiment is to disconnect the running motor and attach a load at which point the motor will "generate" a voltage slightly lower than the applied voltage and carry the load. So we know the generated Bemf is real, we know it has power but how do you extract this power in real time without disrrupting the current? Am I getting warm?
Next post ;D
nice all canadian....
add your curcuit to what i have seen of captins work so far and you got somtehing big.... lol
i just cant waite
;D
"thease are the most exciteing times this world has ever knowen" !ST
take that for FACT! :)
hi AllC
> What nobody has considered is...
LOL, i doubt it! :)
i've been seeing the motor-generator action when i've used a DC motor as a load in my switched charge tests
you can clearly see this behaviour in this scope shot: red trace is the switched charge input pulse; blue trace is the voltage across the motor
there's a pulse across the motor at the left of the trace, followed by the flyback from the motor coil when the pulse turns off (current continues same direction but voltage reverses) then in the section between the two vertical time markers (when there's no applied input power) you can clearly see that the BEMF from the rotating motor has turned the motor into a generator
i'm sure there are plenty other people who have observed this whilst pulsing DC motors - it's not easy to miss!
looking forward to what the Cap has got for us
all the best
sandy
Doc Ringwood's Free Energy site http://ringcomps.co.uk/doc
@ allcanadian
Not quite, but I sure like the way you think... hehehe...
hey dumbass ... plug the output into the input and see how long it continues to perpetuate motion .. otherwise cut the bull !!
Though i am expecting you have already formulated some crap about how this cant be done due to the interdimensional phase distortion continuum or some other half arsed theory?
If i am wrong .. i take it all back .. though .. so far . i have had to take it back as often as Stefan has shelled out his prize !!
Cheers,
Dean
Quote from: dean_mcgowan on November 08, 2008, 10:59:14 AM
hey dumbass ... plug the output into the input and see how long it continues to perpetuate motion .. otherwise cut the bull !!
Though i am expecting you have already formulated some crap about how this cant be done due to the interdimensional phase distortion continuum or some other half arsed theory?
If i am wrong .. i take it all back .. though .. so far . i have had to take it back as often as Stefan has shelled out his prize !!
Cheers,
Dean
:o Someone didn't have a diaper change.
Quote from: dean_mcgowan on November 08, 2008, 10:59:14 AM
hey dumbass ... plug the output into the input and see how long it continues to perpetuate motion .. otherwise cut the bull !!
Though i am expecting you have already formulated some crap about how this cant be done due to the interdimensional phase distortion continuum or some other half arsed theory?
If i am wrong .. i take it all back .. though .. so far . i have had to take it back as often as Stefan has shelled out his prize !!
Cheers,
Dean
Now that's the kind of positive attitude we needed around here! I'll be damn, a couple people post something positive, and say something interesting, and some friggin moron has got to start slinging names around and calling people dumbass. What the hell are you doing wasting your time reading anything at this forum anyway? You obviously are just as closed minded, and quick to judge as any other skeptic. Hey, are you from MIT... didnt I see you on Mythbusters, making a bedini circuit? Point is, when you feel that way, and you act that way, even if you saw the real thing, you will never even notice it because ignorance and a mind that is super glued shut.
Oh, If I'm wrong, I take it all back...
@nul-points
QuoteLOL, i doubt it!
i've been seeing the motor-generator action when i've used a DC motor as a load in my switched charge tests
you can clearly see this behaviour in this scope shot: red trace is the switched charge input pulse; blue trace is the voltage across the motor
there's a pulse across the motor at the left of the trace, followed by the flyback from the motor coil when the pulse turns off (current continues same direction but voltage reverses) then in the section between the two vertical time markers (when there's no applied input power) you can clearly see that the BEMF from the rotating motor has turned the motor into a generator
i'm sure there are plenty other people who have observed this whilst pulsing DC motors - it's not easy to miss!
looking forward to what the Cap has got for us
LOL, caught in the act again ;D I have said nothing most people who are serious about understanding these systems do not already know----with some small errors, hehe. I have found errors to be the best means of success in that we are forced to examine the obvious and justify our thoughts and when we start to look very closely we tend to see the little things hidden from us. I have been watching your work as well and believe you are well on your way to success. At your pace I believe you will find another insight very soon, that is what we can unity is nothing but a false benchmark and we are missing the other 70% of the energy directly available in the systems we presently use. This does not even include the HV capacitive coil coupling effect nor pulsed regenerative feedback loops.
@captainpecan
I am looking forward to your finale and to be honest I have no idea what process you may be using, LOL. There are probably hundreds of ways to produce the effects you are seeing and all of them are right because they depend completely on the perspective of the inventor. My first success involved moving one quality of current through another in opposite directions in the same conductor including a DC motor. I think innovation_station is perfectly right in stating that this FE technology is ready to explode, there are too many people finding success and more important---sharing their success. I think very soon we will no longer be debating "if" this can be done but rather who has invented the most practical system that can benefit everyone.
Best Regards
AC
Captain, I am looking forward to seeing your demo of energy from the circuit you have developed. Would this be something I could build and show my students in their science class? I am always looking for ways to keep the minds of our youth open as well as challenge them.
Bill
Quote from: maw2432 on November 08, 2008, 12:56:50 PM
Captain, I am looking forward to seeing your demo of energy from the circuit you have developed. Would this be something I could build and show my students in their science class? I am always looking for ways to keep the minds of our youth open as well as challenge them.
Bill
Ahhh, most definitely. And very easily, as soon as you duplicate it, by all means, teach, teach, teach... Those students are the ones who will really find great discoveries! They dont think everything is impossible yet! I love to see a science teachers with an open mind.
@captainpecan:
I received the first video and have watched it. I will give you a better response in private but from what I have seen, I believe you are on to something. I am honoring your request so I will not reveal anything here about your ideas. This is just a quick note to say I received the first video, and greatly look forward to the second.
Have you sent this to Stefan? From what I have seen of his work, he has an excellent background and could most likely prove very helpful to you. (I am not speaking about the prize)
For the rest of the folks reading this, be patient. If this were some kind of scam, or sham, or some idiot going down a dead end, I would say it. I promised not to reveal any details and I will not. But, if I thought this was a waste of time, I am free to post that, and I would if I did, but I don't. All I can say is....stay tuned.
Bill
Quote from: captainpecan on November 08, 2008, 11:26:26 AM
Now that's the kind of positive attitude we needed around here! I'll be damn, a couple people post something positive, and say something interesting, and some friggin moron has got to start slinging names around and calling people dumbass. What the hell are you doing wasting your time reading anything at this forum anyway? You obviously are just as closed minded, and quick to judge as any other skeptic. Hey, are you from MIT... didnt I see you on Mythbusters, making a bedini circuit? Point is, when you feel that way, and you act that way, even if you saw the real thing, you will never even notice it because ignorance and a mind that is super glued shut.
Oh, If I'm wrong, I take it all back...
So take the good with the bad sweetheart.
CLOSE THE LOOP
;)
Quote from: broli on November 08, 2008, 11:04:55 AM
:o Someone didn't have a diaper change.
Someone didn't clear there ears either .. AND certainly did not apply the bullshit filters either !!
Come one .. no open disclosure of video, no specs, no statistics just a dumbass claim of success ..sheeeesshh give me a break !!
It is generally accepted knowledge that there are paid agents frequenting boards such as this one.
They are tasked to spread disinformation and or disrupt the flow of important information.
We mustn't be discouraged or dismayed by these attempts...insults and marginalization through ridicule are among the most common tactics used.
It would be helpful if the true members here would refrain from making negative personal references to one another over differences of opinion...as that serves to make disinfo agents and their personal attacks less glaringly obvious.
Regards...
Quote from: dean_mcgowan on November 08, 2008, 04:32:20 PM
So take the good with the bad sweetheart.
CLOSE THE LOOP
;)
really no need.... any how it can be closed but not the way you want it closed.....lol
i would tend to think there many ways to close the loop but why?
your turn .... you close the loop .....
lol
ist
Quote from: Cap-Z-ro on November 08, 2008, 05:08:39 PM
It is generally accepted knowledge that there are paid agents frequenting boards such as this one.
They are tasked to spread disinformation and or disrupt the flow of important information.
We mustn't be discouraged or dismayed by these attempts...insults and marginalization through ridicule are among the most common tactics used.
It would be helpful if the true members here would refrain from making negative personal references to one another over differences of opinion...as that serves to make disinfo agents and their personal attacks less glaringly obvious.
Regards...
Paranoia supporting an empty claim, it just gets better here by the minute :D
Quote from: innovation_station on November 08, 2008, 06:19:55 PM
really no need.... any how it can be closed but not the way you want it closed.....lol
i would tend to think there many ways to close the loop but why?
your turn .... you close the loop .....
lol
ist
Here we go .. no need to close the loop, just as I initially stated you are already justifying why it cant be done .. QED
dean_mcgowan can't you just buzz off? You have no friends here, noone likes you here. You should be more than happy for me even talking to you. Try closing the following loop; stick your head up you ass.
Quote from: captainpecan on November 01, 2008, 03:21:24 PM
Actually, the answer is yes. I am 100% sure now. I'm working on completing my circuits, as I still have to move wires around by hand to keep it running. It's a simple issue of having to make some homemade relays, and I'm beating my head against the wall right now getting it done, lol. At this point in time, I have drifted from the original idea because I found an even better way. As soon as I get the working prototype flawless, I will be going to the local college and getting it tested. Then I will release it all right here.
Archer - is that you? Where's the website with the donate button?\
;D
Quote from: dean_mcgowan on November 09, 2008, 05:04:51 AM
Paranoia supporting an empty claim, it just gets better here by the minute :D
My post was not directed at any one individual...interesting that you saw yourself in that post.
Could it be that you think projecting paranoia onto others takes the focus off of your own ?
Additionally the site owner has in the past referred to 'paid disinformation agents' trolling this site...are you saying he is paranoid ?
Or are you revealing that you are one ?
Or are you just a simple (minded) troll ?
Quote from: broli on November 09, 2008, 05:58:52 AM
dean_mcgowan can't you just buzz off? You have no friends here, noone likes you here. You should be more than happy for me even talking to you. Try closing the following loop; stick your head up you ass.
Not pursuing friends here.. I have plenty in the REAL world.
Just seeking the truth ;)
You think an awful lot of yourself.
Regards,
Dean
Quote from: Cap-Z-ro on November 09, 2008, 07:13:40 AM
My post was not directed at any one individual...interesting that you saw yourself in that post.
Could it be that you think projecting paranoia onto others takes the focus off of your own ?
Additionally the site owner has in the past referred to 'paid disinformation agents' trolling this site...are you saying he is paranoid ?
Or are you revealing that you are one ?
Or are you just a simple (minded) troll ?
Get focused !!
Redirect your frustration at the real problem here .. HUGE claims .. NO (Zero, Nada, Nishta) PROOF.
Regards,
Dean
Quote from: Cap-Z-ro on November 09, 2008, 07:13:40 AM
My post was not directed at any one individual...interesting that you saw yourself in that post.
Could it be that you think projecting paranoia onto others takes the focus off of your own ?
Additionally the site owner has in the past referred to 'paid disinformation agents' trolling this site...are you saying he is paranoid ?
Or are you revealing that you are one ?
Or are you just a simple (minded) troll ?
The site owner is entitled to his "opinion" regarding conspiracy theories, though as with many conspiracy theories this is most likely unsubstantiated nor provable and is just conjecture. Though it is also obviously transparent that you are trying to bring me into conflict with him with your reference.
All I ask is that the poster who puts forward such claims should also offer some proof. Or withdraw such grandiose statements and take a more tempered approach which has also been suggested by other posters.
Regards,
Dean
Quote from: capthook on November 09, 2008, 06:20:15 AM
Archer - is that you? Where's the website with the donate button?\
;D
He has a better idea than the first ever truly functioning free energy machine .. I cant wait to see that !! :O
"he site owner is entitled to his "opinion" regarding conspiracy theories, though as with many conspiracy theories this is most likely unsubstantiated nor provable and is just conjecture. Though it is also obviously transparent that you are trying to bring me into conflict with him with your reference. "
[you did that all by yourself...I merely pointed it out to you]
"All I ask is that the poster who puts forward such claims should also offer some proof. "
[Then do so in a less negative and inflammatory fashion]
Or withdraw such grandiose statements and take a more tempered approach which has also been suggested by other posters. "
[Suggested by others without the unneeded disrespect]
Try treating others as you would like to be treated yourself.
Regards...
Quote from: Cap-Z-ro on November 09, 2008, 09:46:38 AM
"he site owner is entitled to his "opinion" regarding conspiracy theories, though as with many conspiracy theories this is most likely unsubstantiated nor provable and is just conjecture. Though it is also obviously transparent that you are trying to bring me into conflict with him with your reference. "
[you did that all by yourself...I merely pointed it out to you]
"All I ask is that the poster who puts forward such claims should also offer some proof. "
[Then do so in a less negative and inflammatory fashion]
Or withdraw such grandiose statements and take a more tempered approach which has also been suggested by other posters. "
[Suggested by others without the unneeded disrespect]
Try treating others as you would like to be treated yourself.
Regards...
Are you quite finished ?
I have not said anything derogatory to you, so who anointed you the guard dog ?
Do you just wait for these opportunities to vent yourself, try excercise ;)
Cheers,
Dean
Keep going with the nonconstructive crap and soon you'll join the ban-mobile.
Quote from: broli on November 09, 2008, 11:06:36 AM
Keep going with the nonconstructive crap and soon you'll join the ban-mobile.
Non constructive, may i remind you all you have done is taunt and threaten.
Your the worst kind of coward, one with no name.
Quote from: dean_mcgowan on November 09, 2008, 09:34:36 AM
The site owner is entitled to his "opinion" regarding conspiracy theories, though as with many conspiracy theories this is most likely unsubstantiated nor provable and is just conjecture. Though it is also obviously transparent that you are trying to bring me into conflict with him with your reference.
All I ask is that the poster who puts forward such claims should also offer some proof. Or withdraw such grandiose statements and take a more tempered approach which has also been suggested by other posters.
Regards,
Dean
Quote from: dean_mcgowan on November 09, 2008, 09:34:36 AM
The site owner is entitled to his "opinion" regarding conspiracy theories, though as with many conspiracy theories this is most likely unsubstantiated nor provable and is just conjecture. Though it is also obviously transparent that you are trying to bring me into conflict with him with your reference.
All I ask is that the poster who puts forward such claims should also offer some proof. Or withdraw such grandiose statements and take a more tempered approach which has also been suggested by other posters.
Regards,
Dean
First off, there is a reason I am not releasing it yet until I am a little further, and one of those reasons is some people here do not deserve to know the truth. Another is because those who do not deserve the truth, will have no chance to destroy the chances of everyone else learning it who does.
I am planning a global release, totally for free, for everyone. I am not going for the overunity prize, although I do believe someone will be able to easily claim it when applying my research. Yes I could use some money to help me fund my research, but honestly, I do feel good things will come my way naturally for giving this to everyone.
As for you thinking I need to show proof! Honestly, I dont have to show you anything. But I have done the next best thing, I have been sharing it with a select few people I can trust, until I am ready to release it to everyone. If you read through this forum, you will see those who have reported on my work, and to those, they know I am not messing around.
I had planned on having a professor test my equipment, but I am still getting the run around, as I expected. I will probably go ahead and release this week one way or another, I was just hoping for more proof first.
I will keep you informed of my progress. I would appreciate you keep your flamed comments to a minimum, It's not going to make me release it any sooner.
@ dean
While I'm not the happiest w/ captainpecan's "I have something, but it's not ready to show yet" stance in regards to this thread, I'll respect that he wants to fully discover it's potential before making a true claim of a working device that can drive and generate @ the same time. Even though I have asked for a bit of disclosure as to it's nature (and have since been supplied a little bit of that by him, but not in response to my query) I'll just have to be patient. ;)
He seems to have given some members a preview of his discovery with the request that they not discuss it until he is satisfied w/ it's viability and they seem impressed enough to respect that request and wait for more info.
That moves the concept up to the level of wait and see (or politely ask cap'npecan to be a previewer of the concept, although you may have missed out on that opportunity), and I'll just keep my eye on the thread and see how long it takes Cap'n to become satisfied with the validity of his concept and release it here.
I don't think any amount of bothering Cap'n about it is going to make that happen any sooner, so you might wish to do the same.
Does anyone know how to actually get in contact with John Bedini or Tom Bearden? Please message me if any of you do know.
Quote from: captainpecan on November 09, 2008, 11:39:16 AM
First off, there is a reason I am not releasing it yet until I am a little further, and one of those reasons is
some people here do not deserve to know the truth.
Another is because those who do not deserve the truth, will have no chance to destroy the chances of everyone else learning it who does.
I am planning a global release, totally for free, for everyone....
I do appreciate your response.
Am I correct in understanding that somehow a couple of people on a forum can somehow derail the release of
a free energy device.
Please give me one example without retelling a story about bearden, bedini, steven marks or other total charlatans who have done nothing but sell snake oil and squander the money generously donated to them by their sponsors/believers?
Regards,
Dean
Quote from: exxcomm0n on November 09, 2008, 11:47:47 AM
@ dean
While I'm not the happiest w/ captainpecan's "I have something, but it's not ready to show yet" stance in regards to this thread, I'll respect that he wants to fully discover it's potential before making a true claim of a working device that can drive and generate @ the same time. Even though I have asked for a bit of disclosure as to it's nature (and have since been supplied a little bit of that by him, but not in response to my query) I'll just have to be patient. ;)
He seems to have given some members a preview of his discovery with the request that they not discuss it until he is satisfied w/ it's viability and they seem impressed enough to respect that request and wait for more info.
That moves the concept up to the level of wait and see (or politely ask cap'npecan to be a previewer of the concept, although you may have missed out on that opportunity), and I'll just keep my eye on the thread and see how long it takes Cap'n to become satisfied with the validity of his concept and release it here.
I don't think any amount of bothering Cap'n about it is going to make that happen any sooner, so you might wish to do the same.
Well said sir.
Bill
Quote from: allcanadian on November 08, 2008, 12:31:05 PM
@nul-points
LOL, caught in the act again ;D I have said nothing most people who are serious about understanding these systems do not already know----with some small errors, hehe. I have found errors to be the best means of success in that we are forced to examine the obvious and justify our thoughts and when we start to look very closely we tend to see the little things hidden from us. I have been watching your work as well and believe you are well on your way to success. At your pace I believe you will find another insight very soon, that is what we can unity is nothing but a false benchmark and we are missing the other 70% of the energy directly available in the systems we presently use. This does not even include the HV capacitive coil coupling effect nor pulsed regenerative feedback loops.
...
Best Regards
hi AC
"caught in the act again" - makes you sound guilty - did i miss something juicy? ;)
interesting numbers in your comment here, the best system efficiency i'd seen in my tests, before your post, was around 150% (cf. the 'Latest' menu item at the site) but the last few days i've been running some confirmatory tests using a different physical indication of the circuit efficiency and i appear to be getting around 250%
so where you wrote: "you will find another insight very soon" , it's almost like reading my horoscope in the paper! :)
all the best
sandy
Doc Ringwood's Free Energy site http://ringcomps.co.uk/doc
@ captian well bro 8) got a name for your unit .... lol ;D
YOUNGS MOTOR AIDER CURCUIT ...
based on YOUNGS THEORY... soon to be YOUNGS LAW... ;)
l8r bro 8)
ist
I received a phone call from Peter Lindemann this morning. He is now viewing my work also. I will keep you posted as to whether he feels this is real, or not.
Thank you to those who sent me info I needed to contact the proper people to view this. At least now, some of the greatest minds in the industry, will either say I'm onto something, or not. I cant think of many others who should be viewing my work first then these guys.
Captain:
That is good news. I can't wait to hear what they say. As I mentioned in my e-mail to you, I think you should call this the Young Effect.
I think you have made an excellent discovery.
Bill
Quote from: Pirate88179 on November 10, 2008, 03:26:02 PM
Captain:
That is good news. I can't wait to hear what they say. As I mentioned in my e-mail to you, I think you should call this the Young Effect.
I think you have made an excellent discovery.
Bill
i agree now that fits...
ist
Quote from: captainpecan on November 10, 2008, 03:03:06 PM
Thank you to those who sent me info I needed to contact the proper people to view this. At least now, some of the greatest minds in the industry, will either say I'm onto something, or not. I cant think of many others who should be viewing my work first then these guys.
how do you know they didn't just gave you some fake info (like an email for an example) to contact the proper people? now someone other than the real contact knows all about your invention? please make sure these middle man/third party connections are actually gaving you the correct info. could you tell us how can you be sure? thanks :)
Yup.. It's the dipole ...
Now they can start raising funds on your behalf ... hmmmm .. When do you release your video on how to develop the Young machine in your kitchen ?
Cheers,
Dean
You may even consider contacting people with real degrees and the ability to explain where you may have misinterpreted results.
http://web.mit.edu/physics/
http://www.eecs.mit.edu/
Cheers,
Dean
Quote from: dean_mcgowan on November 11, 2008, 01:27:38 AM
You may even consider contacting people with real degrees and the ability to explain where you may have misinterpreted results.
http://web.mit.edu/physics/
http://www.eecs.mit.edu/
Cheers,
Dean
dean that truley is funny LOL :D :D
yea they will do a great job of it too just like BIG JOHN'S motor ..... LOL!!!!
best advice for you sit back shut up and hold the hell on!!!!!
lol
ist
@ innovation_station
I agree, captainpecan wants to make sure he has this right and this is his show not our's. As well the fact he is going to release his technology here should say something of both his integrity and knowledge. I think he knows the issues and drawbacks of patenting Vs open source, I for one will simply stamp a copyright on everything and release it for everyone so we all move forward. I was thinking that what we need is a secure network for people who have succeeded or found success and a means for these people to share knowledge so that the learning curve is accelerated. As well a means for these people to profit from there work while still open sourcing information for all. If we could copyright the idea and run with a tangible product (maybe Ebay) within a small time frame then I believe we could have the best of both worlds.
Regards
AC
Quote from: innovation_station on November 11, 2008, 08:41:58 AM
dean that truley is funny LOL :D :D
yea they will do a great job of it too just like BIG JOHN'S motor ..... LOL!!!!
best advice for you sit back shut up and hold the hell on!!!!!
lol
ist
ist,
Have you got a link to BJ's Motor, or did it lift off like searles magic fairy wheel into space ?
LOL
Cheers
Dean
Quote from: allcanadian on November 11, 2008, 01:16:24 PM
@ innovation_station
I agree, captainpecan wants to make sure he has this right and this is his show not our's. As well the fact he is going to release his technology here should say something of both his integrity and knowledge. I think he knows the issues and drawbacks of patenting Vs open source, I for one will simply stamp a copyright on everything and release it for everyone so we all move forward. I was thinking that what we need is a secure network for people who have succeeded or found success and a means for these people to share knowledge so that the learning curve is accelerated. As well a means for these people to profit from there work while still open sourcing information for all. If we could copyright the idea and run with a tangible product (maybe Ebay) within a small time frame then I believe we could have the best of both worlds.
Regards
AC
On that note, I would agree that this framework does not lend itself to the development of ideas. The focus of the concept/ idea should be kept on each page and there could also be a decent heirarchical structure that follows a publishing and validation structure, techical or otherwise.
Forums are fun, but they do lose focus quite quickly (guilty as charged) ;)
Cheers,
Dean
Also ..
It would be a nice feature if the thread owner could mark valid comments or suggestions and add them to a project/development type workflow...
Any other suggestions are welcome .. may even start a thread on this (if it wasnt for the trolls) :P
Any news from the Experts?
Quote from: captainpecan on November 09, 2008, 11:39:16 AM
I will probably go ahead and release this week one way or another
I hope you haven't changed your mind.
Is release imminent are the oil companies sending around black limousines with dark windows and big bags of cash to
hide your secret? The silence is deafening, they must have offered you at least 100 dollars. Have you signed a confidentiality
non disclosure agreement yet? Yes, we are waiting for the excuses.. please don't make us suffer :D
Cheers,
Dean
Well here i was thinking that this forum was so that people can pool their ideas and experiances into projects that interested them in the name of finding a "free" energy source... or atleast an easily obtainable one with little draw backs. Instead i see constant "pissing contests" between peoples ego and non-constructive critism... Unfortunately "off the grid" topics to encourage those looking to boost their own feeling of importance by downing those that are trying something. I try to find something constructive in what people say but a lot of it is just as much a waste of space as the "sponsored Links" (i take that back the sponsor's links are good, keeps everything up and running!!!). I will put it to you, being anyone who thinks that their opinion is worth posting in this forum, to apply a bit of educational filtering into your response... in other words IF ITS NOT GOING TO HELP POST IT ON YOUTUBE LIKE THE REST OF THE RUBISH!!! or better yet keep it to yourself.
Now to captainpecan with your device, if you are not happy with the consistancy of your results in order to start the process of making sure it stays your invention then continue to test it at your own expense. The other alternitive is to search the internet for as many forums and web-boards that could possibly come into or surround how your invention works or what it is used for, create a thread with a standardised blurb about how you made it with diagrams and schematics (or just photos and a movie base) then if your really paranoid get someone from a paper (local will do fine if it is big the other papers will pick it up to check it out) and explain that you have not been able to find any prior information relating to a like devise so unless someone can show you then this is what you have made... and if they have put a digital clock on it and patent that :P
This should cover enough media in order for you to be recognised as the inventor and others with more disposable income and time may be able to help you with your diagnosis. If you wrong though the more people that see your name attached to it the more people will think you yet another crack pot with a frozen yeti!!!
Quote from: broli on November 13, 2008, 04:53:45 PM
I hope you haven't changed your mind.
the word probably does not sound good
I have seen his videos and conversed with him via e-mail. It all looks right and correct to me. The math is correct. It is too bad that a select few on here don't think he is moving fast enough to suit them. To the rest, be patient, it will be worth the wait.
Bill
Lol look who's talking, if you were as patient as the rest you wouldn't have had the "special" treatment.
Quote from: Pirate88179 on November 14, 2008, 03:57:34 AM
I have seen his videos and conversed with him via e-mail. It all looks right and correct to me. The math is correct. It is too bad that a select few on here don't think he is moving fast enough to suit them. To the rest, be patient, it will be worth the wait.
Bill
Bill,
Please correct me if I am wrong (i know you will), but isn't this forum about publishing your ideas for validation. It appears to me that this individual is
cherry picking the opinions they believe will either agree or comply with their agenda. It just doesn't appear to me to be in the spirit of the forum.
An idea will either stand or fall on its merits.
Regarding your statement about "the math", how can you make that statement when there is no information here for any of us to validate without
taking the approach that you have in pandering to this person.
Maybe this thread should have been called "please help me contact xyz" as that has been the only valid aspect of his contribution.
I have no probem with him asking for assistance in this way. Though grandstanding and having people supplicate him just for a peek at something or the other
is just as destructive as some of my rude statements. (yes i have my days .. no need to remind me).
Does anyone need a reminder of the behaviour patterns of the likes of Steorn?
Its really not any different, must I wait to join the steorn secret developers club or the Kosol Ouch cult before i am privy to the secret anointed ones knowledge.
Cheers,
Dean
@ broli: (quoted below)
"Lol look who's talking, if you were as patient as the rest you wouldn't have had the "special" treatment."
I did not request any special treatment. This fellow was looking for several folks to check out his discovery and I was proud to be selected. I suppose he could tell by the tone of some folks on here that this was the way to go. He contacted me so, you are wrong.
@ Dean:
Your post is so negative and incorrect that I don't know where to begin. Actually I do. I will not waste my time responding. If you don't like that...well..too bad. Do please try to get over yourself.
Bill
I chose who I chose very simply because I have seen the comments they have made in other threads, and for the most part, have only given constructive criticism, and not just flat out flung names and tear people down for no reason. Nobody I chose even asked me to see what I was working on.
And as far as the response I have gotten. Everyone who has seen this, has agreed that there is something here. With the exception of Stefan, who was not rude in any way, and stated his opinion that he will follow the beliefs of the physics equations until he see's more proof. I have not gotten any info one way or another from others I was waiting to hear from.
I am planning on making a little better quality video's this weekend to post, as what I have is okay, but by no means are they very good quality. Most of my results and tests have been duplicated now. It is still not an exact blueprint, as it has a long way to go, and can be improved upon in tons of ways. But it is a proof of concept that most of you will be able to run with immediately, and very inexpensively. I hope to see some interesting results from all of you soon as everyone fills in the gaps themselves.
Quote from: captainpecan on November 14, 2008, 05:41:15 PM
I chose who I chose very simply because I have seen the comments they have made in other threads, and for the most part, have only given constructive criticism, and not just flat out flung names and tear people down for no reason. Nobody I chose even asked me to see what I was working on.
And as far as the response I have gotten. Everyone who has seen this, has agreed that there is something here. With the exception of Stefan, who was not rude in any way, and stated his opinion that he will follow the beliefs of the physics equations until he see's more proof. I have not gotten any info one way or another from others I was waiting to hear from.
I am planning on making a little better quality video's this weekend to post, as what I have is okay, but by no means are they very good quality. Most of my results and tests have been duplicated now. It is still not an exact blueprint, as it has a long way to go, and can be improved upon in tons of ways. But it is a proof of concept that most of you will be able to run with immediately, and very inexpensively. I hope to see some interesting results from all of you soon as everyone fills in the gaps themselves.
CP,
Look forward to seeing the video.
Is it ok if others post video of their replication efforts and the result you speak of in the mean time?
Cheers,
Dean
Thank you to all who have worked with me, given opinions, and respected my wish to prove my concepts better before releasing.
Here we go guys! I give you "The Young Effect".
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=6090.0
Thanks Captainpiecan, I'll go watch it right now! :)
(& never mind that Broli or the other naggers.)
Quote from: captainpecan on October 17, 2008, 12:35:18 AM
I think I have figured out an extremely easy way to harness free energy. Very easy to duplicate. I have a prototype that has proven my concept, yet it is so damn small, due to lack of materials and money, I am not confident with my tests to actually claim it truely works, or that it will even work any period of time yet.
BUT... While I'm scrounging up materials, to finish this, I would really like to know the proper steps to get this thing out there. Can anyone explain the GPL to me better, and how I go about getting it? I thought the GPL was only for software, and not think you could use it for a free energy generator? I'm sure I'm wrong, but I simply dont know anything about it, and I want to start taking the steps to getting this thing protected for everyone.
Also, with a GPL, can it be set, so that it is free for everyones personal use, but if a company builds it for profit, a small percentage would have to be paid to the owner? Would that violate the overunity prize adding that into the liscense?
Also, I have heard that the U.S. Government has thousands of patents for free energy devices, hidden. I'll be honest, this is simple as hell, and I would be shocked if nobody has ever done this before. What happens if I apply for a GPL, and a patent was already issued, for one tiny piece of it, and hidden? The whole damn thing would become illegal to produce wouldn't it?
Anyway, I just need a little help from someone who may have already gotten a GPL before, and knows what's required. I dont have much money, and honestly I'm a bit scared to give any details of what I'm working on for fear someone will patent it that can afford to, and screw me, and everyone else here, by not releasing the info.
So what do I do? Hell, maybe I'll find out like everyone else always does that something has been overlooked and my multimeter is not reliable, or whatever. But the fact is, assume I did, or any one of us did it. What the hell do we do then?
Post all info about your idea on this internet website. NOTE: "After you make a WORKING model". Then if anyone has a patent on it they will be contacting you asap. You wont have to search the patent office at all.to find a similar device.
The next thing that will happen is a lot of greedy folks will make a run on the patent office to see if they can patent your device ahead of you.
This is where the fun if you call it that comes in. They might succeed but remember that anything you post on this site is dated and on the patent form the date the (bogus) nventor claimed (your) invention is also shown.
After he spent a fortune patenting (your) device you could legally show the patent office that it was your dated idea posted first on the internet for all to see and the fellow who claimed he was the inventor falsified his patent form. Money wasted on his part
To head all that off you could also go for a cheap "Patent Pending" and have a years grace to market your invention before you apply for a real patent.
Tom
looks like didit enters as captainpecans twin
i didit but aint tellin yet just wait cause its superduper
took captainpecan 1 month of hype and yappin assdroppings to release the goods
result was more assdroppings
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=6090.0
86 pages of lunacy that resulted in nada
nothin but bad theory bad testing bad conclusions and bad results
where r u now pecan and where is the free energy u said was 100% 4sure
gone and gone
so who didit ha