Description of Capillary Energy Source
It is a pneumatic feed hydro electric power plant. It has four main components to exclude the turbine generator. They are as follows.
Lower water tank- The lower water tank is sealed except for two pipes that are inserted into it from the top. These two pipes are the open water pipe and capillary water pipe. The lower water tank also has a singular entrance valve to add air pressure.
Capillary water pipe- The capillary water pipe is a pipe filled with capillary tubing to create a well known capillary effect on water from the lower water tank.
Upper water trough- The upper water trough acts as a through way for water coming out of the capillary water pipe to enter the open water pipe. The upper water trough is not sealed; it is equipped with an air filtration system so that air pressure in the upper water trough is equal to that of air outside of the unit.
Open water pipe- The open water pipe is a large open pipe where the turbines would be seated. It is connected between the upper trough and lower water tank.
Operation of Capillary Energy Source
Water is placed in the lower water tank until it is completely full. Water will be drawn up the capillary water pipe because of the capillary effect, but will not leave the top of the capillary water pipe because of surface tension. Air pressure will be added to the lower water tank, not to go below the entrances of both capillary water pipe and open water pipe, if it does air pressure will equal out. With the addition of the added air pressure, water will flow out of the top of the capillary tubing. The upper water trough will allow water to flow to the open water pipe, without increasing air pressure due to the air filtration system. Water will fall down the open water pipe and pass through the turbines, producing electricity. This process continues as long as water stays above the entrance of the capillary water pipe and open water pipe.
This is a concept drawing. Please comment on your thoughts. Thanks!
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=6679.msg153738#msg153738
time ago i was playing with the concept. I connected 2 pipes as u showed, inside of one was a wick, the other one empty.T-junction was used to connect the two on top (ur upper chamber). I created a light under pressure in the T-junction, water has risen in both pipes to the same level- wick has not helped to transport it any higher.
the difference in what you did and what i did.
There is no wicking effect, the capillary pipe is filled to the top with capillary tubing. water will rise up due to capillary effect. the open pipe is a large open pipe, no capillary tubing in side of it. another important note is that if you increase pressure in the bottom of mine it forces water up as it does in yours through both tubes, this breaks the surface tension in the capillary tubing pipe, but not in the open pipe because it is to wide. the last thing i want to piont out is the upper water trough is open, not allowing for air pressure to equall out.
Quote from: Azorus on November 09, 2009, 05:36:03 AM
This is a concept drawing. Please comment on your thoughts. Thanks!
Hi Azorus.
Pipe #1. should not be immersed in the lower tank water, this allows a positive pressure difference over the negative Capillary pipe #2 which should be in the water.
use thermal pressure differences to help break the capillary bond at top by replacing the water with a lower boiling point medium other than water, you want the boiling point to be low because the thermal pressure will help push the capillary medium into the top tank.
you can do low budget experiment by using a hot plate below the lower tank for general purposes and study. the lower the boiling point the better flow action you will get.
if you have a very low boiling point you can use the inside of a shady building as your cool side and outside the building for your hot side, the fluid will flow to the cool side in thermodynamics principle.
Capillary + Thermal Pressure will help you get a working model. a system such as this would require a lot of fluid flow to be efficient, it is better to just use solar cells for now.
While using thermal dynamics does increase the energy output with this you don't need it. both pipes have to be submergered, and you do need a lot of water to make it effecint(but look at coal power plants and how much water they use). Output is controled by increase in air pressure, and how many capillary tubes you use. Once move it is important for me to point out that the lower tank is sealed and has a positive increase in air pressure, the upper trough is open and therefore has a lower air pressure than the bottom.
One last point that I want to point out before another post about it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fluid_dynamics
please read and refer to this if you have a question about how fluids under a higher pressure flow toward fluids under a lower pressure.
If anyone is testing this can they please post there results.
Quote from: Azorus on November 09, 2009, 07:57:43 AM
the difference in what you did and what i did.
There is no wicking effect, the capillary pipe is filled to the top with capillary tubing. water will rise up due to capillary effect. the open pipe is a large open pipe, no capillary tubing in side of it. another important note is that if you increase pressure in the bottom of mine it forces water up as it does in yours through both tubes, this breaks the surface tension in the capillary tubing pipe, but not in the open pipe because it is to wide. the last thing i want to piont out is the upper water trough is open, not allowing for air pressure to equall out.
If u have read the link i posted u would come to the conclusion. Ok, i will give it in straight words. Whether it is a capillary pipe or a normal pipe, it takes the same pressure from the bottom (or under pressure from the top) to rise the liquid to the same level. Do the experiment as i did, see for urself.
In this light u can substitute the capillary in ur design with a simple pipe and u will have the same result, that is no free lunch. Just build a simple proof of concept to rise the water, u will see for urself.
PS: wicking effect is in fact capillary effect
@Creativity
I'm sorry your idea does not work the way you want it to..
Capillary energy source uses the capillary effect to raise the surface of the water in the capillary pipe. When you increase the air pressure in the lower water tank it displaces water out of the top of the capillary tube because of the raised surface, and the fact that higher pressures move towards lower air pressure. I am sorry that you don't understand what has been written and you keep refering back to your failed experiment.
Those that understand that the upper trough is not sealed, thus creating a lower air pressure, can understand that water should flow out and down the open pipe.
You see unlike your failed wicking experiment where you had a sealed system, this one is only sealed on the lower water tank allowing a diferencial of air pressure. But thanks for your coments they keep the thread going.
Can someone else help Creativity better understand how it works, my attempts are failing.
Would a proof of concept drawing help Creativity?
Quote from: Azorus on November 09, 2009, 02:46:03 PM
@Creativity
I'm sorry your idea does not work the way you want it to..
Capillary energy source uses the capillary effect to raise the surface of the water in the capillary pipe. When you increase the air pressure in the lower water tank it displaces water out of the top of the capillary tube because of the raised surface, and the fact that higher pressures move towards lower air pressure. I am sorry that you don't understand what has been written and you keep referring back to your failed experiment.
Those that understand that the upper trough is not sealed, thus creating a lower air pressure, can understand that water should flow out and down the open pipe.
You see unlike your failed wicking experiment where you had a sealed system, this one is only sealed on the lower water tank allowing a diferencial of air pressure. But thanks for your coments they keep the thread going.
I do understand what u try to achieve and i do speak about the isomorf situation. let me draw it for u so u will see it too. The only difference is that u use positive pressure in the sealed tank below. By my experiment i proved that it takes the same amount of work (the same pressure gradient) to rise a water to a given level, whether it is a capillary pipe or not. Capillary do rises the water level to its top, but to get even the tiniest water drop off the top u will need to rise the equivalent of the water column hydrostatic pressure in a normal pipe. Doesn't matter if i rise pressure from under or reduce from above, that's just technical difference. By my experiment i have not tried to get water from one pipe to the other one, i tried to test if the pressure required to get the water off the capillary top is lower than the pressure to rise the water in the normal pipe to the given level .
If u r still not convinced then do a simple experiment, u just need a glass of water and two pipes. Place a wick in one of them. Connect both pipes on the top so u will have equal pressure in both of them, then suck some of the air from the pipes. U will see that wick will not start to have water above its end untill he water level in normal pipe wont rise higher than the wick top. Here u have a proof. 10 min test max.
Once again I'm sorry your drawing is inaccurate. You neglect the capillary effect in your drawing.
I have created a more accurate drawing in paint, so forgive the terrible graphic.
While Creativity is correct that water will rise in both pipes, he once refuses to apply the cappillary effect.
One last thing for you Creativity, how can you have lower air preassure in your tube if it is one system? I draw this question form your illistration of your experiment.
Quote from: Azorus on November 09, 2009, 02:58:57 PM
There is no wicking effect, the capillary pipe is filled to the top with capillary tubing. water will rise up due to capillary effect.
hey bud, sorry to say but creativity is right
the "wicking effect" literally is the capillary effect....
i am puzzled as to what you are referring to as a "capillary pipe... filled to the top with capillary tubing."
the capillary effect generally refers to one of two main things,
the first being extremely thin tubes, being partially submerged in water, where the surface tension of water is less than that of the gravitational pull inside the tube, and the liquid inside the tube raises until they are met equally (this is not due to difference in air pressure, if you tried this with mercury it would have the opposite effect)
the smaller the tube the greater effect
the other refers to, well a wick or any porous material, the best example being a paper towel or a sponge
even a rope
that being said i think your either combining them (which i haven't heard of) or filling a tube with...a wick like material
the thing about capillary action is the same as a siphon
what we perceive as work is either an imbalance in gravity or an absorbent material that spreads liquids evenly throughout the material, not doing work
not a bad idea though
with water, don't worry about turning a generator, just try to make something that can fill itself up
first just try to get a "capillary tube" to overflow, if you can do that then you already made history
hope it helped...
oh ya, and if water only moves from one pressure to the other, how will it get back to the other chamber...
One more clarification.
The capillary pipe is a pipe filled with capillary tubing, thin glass tubing.
and did you even read the discription before you wrote your last comment about how water goes back down to the lower tank?
Reposting of pic
i painted capillary pipe man..in green. water will rise to the green level by capillary effect + blue rise of the water due to pressure gradient. Blue pipes are the one that rise water purely due to the pressure gradient. i do not neglate any of the effects, I base the drawing on the real experiment. Pressure in both types of pipe on my drawing is the same, normal pipe is a reference pipe to show what is the pressure used. As u can see there is no difference in the level of water in a normal pipe and a capillary pipe once the capillair starts to have any water above its upper end.
Until the pressure is such that in a normal pipe the water level is not higher than the upper end of the capillair, not a single drop of water will leave the capilair. Indeed in this situation,the water will have higher level in capilair, but no water will leave the capilair.
I don't care about ur non- capillary -generator-side-pipe and i was not referring to it in any of my posts. I just say that ur capillary pipe will still need the same amount of energy to start to drip as a normal pipe used instead of ur capillair.
Build it and prove me wrong.
your device confused me a lot, when its a very simple set up
by capillary tube with capillary glass tubes, im assuming you just mean multiple, long, and small in diameter glass tubes
your word choice can be tricky sometimes, apologies
what i meant was, you put a lot of emphasis on pressure variants and how fluids will always flow in one specific direction, and from that i interpreted it was a one way process, or that it would at least get stuck in one chamber, it just seemed like a logical fallacy
i am not sure if your using the wicking effect, or exploiting differences in air pressure
i guess both in combination?
its a good idea, but its been done before...
Just an update. Purchasing equipement
Acrylic lower water tank, Acrylic 100mm pipes, and glass capillary tubing.
When all of it comes in I will put it together and post a video.
My plan is to use a small bike pump to add air pressure to the lower bottome tank via a small air valve I plan to install. If water comes out of the top of the capillary tubing and not the top of the open air pipe that should prove that it works. If it does I will order an upper trough that will allow the water to fall back down the open air pipe.
@ Exxcomm0n
I have read your thread and agree. That is why I will build it and post a video.
Have the lower tank just have to assemble now, still have to cut the sides of the lower tank at 45degree angles, so i have more surface area to glue the 6mm acrylic glass together.
Quote from: Azorus on November 19, 2009, 01:35:21 AM
Just an update. Purchasing equipement
Acrylic lower water tank, Acrylic 100mm pipes, and glass capillary tubing.
When all of it comes in I will put it together and post a video.
My plan is to use a small bike pump to add air pressure to the lower bottome tank via a small air valve I plan to install. If water comes out of the top of the capillary tubing and not the top of the open air pipe that should prove that it works. If it does I will order an upper trough that will allow the water to fall back down the open air pipe.
cool. i can't wait to see it!
just might work!
keep up the good work.
peace
ordered pipes and capillary tubing today, says it has a 2-4 week delivery time...
Have the acrylic tubes, waiting for capillary tubing, which should be in the next 3-4 days. The lower water tank is almost complete it is pending the arrival of the capillary tubing to be installed in the acrylic tubing.
Maybe it is already mentioned, but if the capillar effect is forcing the water to a higher level, you don't need air pressure to force the water to exit the capillar. Use instead another water tank that has a higher water level and connect those two tanks together with a tube at the bottom so the pressure from the higher waterlevel will help the already raised water inside the capillar to exit the capillar and onto the higher water tank again. The lower watertank is sealed so the pressure from the higher watertank must exit the capillar. A very efficient capillar is a 1cm diameter tube filled with cotton threads (Like a wick). Add a little extra pressure, and the wick will overflow and poor the water into the higher water tank.
Then you have a circuit that "last forever"...maybe it isn't that easy, but it's allmost free to try.
Vidar
I bought capillary tubing Round Borosilicate glass Part no. CV0508 ID 0.05mm (50 microns) OD 0.08mm (80 microns) Length 100mm Sold per pack, each pack contains 100 pieces
turns out the tubes where sent with wrong address, so they will be resent tomorrow and hopefully make it by monday.
Have started installing the tubes in the acrylic tubing, I have 5 more packages on order for more tubing since the first was not enough, hopeful have it built before end of next month.