There needs to be a main discussion thread on this topic.
Here are some links of relevance:
Project page: http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Bob_Boyce_Hex_Controller - commenced Nov. 12, 2009
http://www.youtube.com/user/watkykjy1 - watkykjy1's YouTube channel
News story:
http://pesn.com/2009/11/12/Child_rides_on_free_energy_Boyce_watkykjy1/ Child Rides EV Toy on Boyce Free Energy! - A South African experimenter [who goes by watkykjy1] has modified an electrolysis circuit developed by Bob Boyce so that now it recharges his daughter's electric vehicle riding toy. What makes this remarkable is that the energy is not drawn from the wall but from the environment somehow. He's done this around 35 times now and knows of three replications of the effect by others.
OverUnity.com posts of relevance:
- http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=2637.msg38008#msg38008 - Re: Talking about phase... by Bruce_TPU
- http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=7417.msg177434#msg177434 - Re: The Bob Boyce challenge by aussepom
- http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=3068.msg44853#msg44853 - The return of the Hungarian: FREE ENERGY from Wave-Fields... by tao
The attached images show the primary components:
- Hex controller by Bob Boyce
- Coil built by watkykjy1, per Boyce instructions
- Battery
- Scope shot of generation mode when battery is being charged through the hex controller being powered by the same battery.
This is just Bob Boyce trying to hype a legend again .
Watky is the biggest *mythical* ever , he left us waiting for months on so called *special results* only he just dissapeared and left us with encouraging words like a politician would . In the end the HHO Boyce system didnt work .
Thx but no thx .
Quote from: dankie on November 12, 2009, 01:03:53 PM
This is just Bob Boyce trying to hype a legend again .
Watky is the biggest *mythical* ever , he left us waiting for months on so called *special results* only he just dissapeared and left us with encouraging words like a politician would . In the end the HHO Boyce system didnt work .
Thx but no thx .
It seems to me like this is a pretty good follow-up. He's been at this for at least a month, and has helped three people replicate the effect so far. It looks to me like one of the most significant accomplishments in a long time in this field, and he has been very responsive to my inquiries. His silence has been out of sentiments of honoring Bob's NDA, and even in his disclosures to me last night and in his videos, he does not violate that.
I got an email from Bob today that I hope he will let me post. Fascinating stuff. Rather than complain, why don't you replicate?
Well I for one am very interested. It all seems to tie together in my mind surprisingly well with the little I've read on teslas ideas of scalar fields, as well as the general idea of sharp pulse recovery a-la bedini style pulse motors. I haven't done a lot of direct research in mosfet based pulse/impulse current tests, although I have planned on doing more (i've spent more of my time playing with magnet and basic pulse motors in the past) I've been trying to get into pulsed electrolysis for a long time, but had problems obtaining the SS locally at a price I can deal with, and I got stuck on plans to build a far too over-designed controller I have been designing and redesigning over the last 2 years and never actually building.
After reading about this last night however, today I repurposed an old prototype of a brushless motor controller I've also been working on for some time (ie ripped off excess components and made some new firmware), and now have a very cheap, 3 channel microcontroller based pulse generator.
Currently, it makes on-pulses (at the gate) 100nS wide (can be made wider in software) with mosfet gate rise time of 80nS and fall time of 20nS (these are hardware limitation). The period of the pulses is set by a potentiometer, with max and min set in software - currently 3uS to 340us although the period is currently a tad unstable at the low end (still have to clean up the code a little).
I tried a quick replication of @Watkykjy setup but I don't have an appropriate toroid, I just tried a large mains toroid (~120mm OD) I had hanging around, leaving the primary (240V) unconnected, and connecting the two isolated secondaries (18V) to two of the channels, with flyback diodes (not high speed diodes unfortunately) connected via a 100uH toroidal inductor back to input.
I had my (good rms) multimeter measuring current and every time I connected coil/s power consumption went up as expected classically, regardless of pulse period. I haven't tried adjusting pulse width yet.
Considering how quickly I chucked this together and the fact that my coils are completely different from the carefully wound ones @Watkykjy used this test doesn't disprove anything, although it obviously would have been great to see a positive result with such basic equipment.
In this configuration though the circuit is simply a multiphase boost converter, nothing special about it other than the fact the switching inductor has a second unconnected coil. It has plenty of ringing at the mosfet drain as usually seen in a switcher (I do a lot of work with switching regulator design). I have a feeling I need higher speed diodes to catch more of this ringing, I now feel this is the key. In normal switching design you don't want pulses that are too fast as they produce excessive ringing, that you then have to try to dampen to keep a stable regulator running. It would be interesting if that ringing is in fact the key to this kind of power collection.
I'd love to get a proper toroid with the right silver plated/teflon coated wire, although I can't see that happening real soon. I would however be happy to clean up the design of this pulse generator and share it though, as It's very simple, but will produce far cleaner and faster pulses that the oft used 556 based pwm generators. It's currently only got 25V fets on it (4mR ones though, so will handle a bucketload of current - 256A pulse), so can't let the output flyback to high, but I've got some cheap 60V fets I'm a fan of that I'll chuck in the design that should switch at a similar speed.
I don't know enough about trying to tune to a resonance with the coil, but I'm planning on reading a lot more into it, as that's obviously the key to this all. I'd like to discuss a lot of this on the waterfuelforall forum as this seems to be where most of these key people chat, as well as the yahoo group, but I guess everyone else has also applied to membership to these since this article came out as I haven't got accepted yet ;-) Oh well, maybe more people will jump onto this forum, there's lot of smart people around here.
Corona
Quote from: corona on November 13, 2009, 01:54:39 AM
After reading about this last night however, today I repurposed an old prototype of a brushless motor controller I've also been working on for some time (ie ripped off excess components and made some new firmware), and now have a very cheap, 3 channel microcontroller based pulse generator.
Great work for giving it a whirl with what you had kicking around. I look for good things from you when you actually use closer to the right config.
Sterling
Are there any other replicators on this board ?
The PDF made by Bob Boyce is really amazing und it fits exactly in the operation of Steven Mark's TPU.
It would be great if any others are trying to replicate this device. I will give it a try, but I can't get the same parts, as I'm not living in the united states.
Quote from: Frederic2k1 on November 15, 2009, 10:06:36 AM
Are there any other replicators on this board ?
The PDF made by Bob Boyce is really amazing und it fits exactly in the operation of Steven Mark's TPU.
It would be great if any others are trying to replicate this device. I will give it a try, but I can't get the same parts, as I'm not living in the united states.
The forum is at http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/b-hex/
with sign-up at http://www.pureenergysystems.com/news/2009/11/12/Child_rides_on_free_energy_Boyce_watkykjy1/forum_application.htm
Project page at: http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Bob_Boyce_Hex_Controller
@sterlinga,
I'm have designed a 3 channel switch. It is NOT an replica of the controller
that Bob Boyce did, but my version can switch fast enough for the short
pulses required. I will soon receive the same Iron powder core and silver
coated, Teflon insulated copper wire for the core. So my toroid core will be
a close replica of the core seen in the videos. My design is open source
and can be copied, shared or posted on the net.
The design files and software can be downloaded here:
http://home.no/ufoufoufoufo/fastswitch.rar
Groundloop.
Quote from: Groundloop on November 15, 2009, 03:55:09 PM
@sterlinga,
I'm have designed a 3 channel switch. [...] My design is open source
and can be copied, shared or posted on the net.
The design files and software can be downloaded here:
http://home.no/ufoufoufoufo/fastswitch.rar
Groundloop.
Way to go and good luck! I posted your message an images here: http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Bob_Boyce_Hex_Controller#Replications
Ok, so moving ahead form my first dodgy test, which didn't even have phase shift between the channels, I've been reading and designing. From what I've come to believe, the phase shift is incredibly important, as is the at least 3 phase minimum, as the spinning of the magnetic fields seems to have an important effect. To this end I've whipped up a new pulse controller design. It'll be good for this and also to finally test an idea based on spinning fields I had over a year ago now and never got around to testing.
I'm using a luminary micro with an exceptional pwm subsystem, I've used it a couple of times already at work and they're amazing. Quite cheap too.
So the design is 3 Channel, pulse widths from ~100nS (ie maximum frequency ~5MHz). Should be able to have 120 degree phase shift between each channel even up to that frequency too.
80V fets, 16mR, 8A continuous, 50A pulsed.
USB connection for monitoring and control
16x2 LCD & pushbuttons for monitoring and control
Input voltage and current monitoring (will be rms naturally, form before the main bulk cap so should be accurate)
Voltage monitoring on switching nodes (not sure how useful this will be due to the high switching speeds)
Hopefully I'll be able to build this and write the firmware in the not too distant future.
Andrew.
If there's a circuit that requires common components & chips such as 555 timers, then I'd love to replicate one. I have a lot of nanocrystalline & amorphous cores from Metglas & Hitachi if that helps.
What I like about this claim is the guy in the youtube video actually seems like he knows what he's doing, a professional.
Where can we find the circuit drawing.
Regards,
Paul
Quote from: PaulLowrance on November 22, 2009, 02:48:46 PM
If there's a circuit that requires common components & chips such as 555 timers, then I'd love to replicate one. I have a lot of nanocrystalline & amorphous cores from Metglas & Hitachi if that helps.
What I like about this claim is the guy in the youtube video actually seems like he knows what he's doing, a professional.
Where can we find the circuit drawing.
Regards,
Paul
The project is being run through http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Bob_Boyce_Hex_Controller
And the official forum is at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/B-Hex
requiring filling out a survey and agreeing to a quasi NDA due to the dangers involved in the technology.
Here is a message I sent to that list today:
"Those of you on this list need to be patient because the people with the know-how are presently very busy with other responsibilities. We look forward to when they can take the time to share the particulars of how to replicate this technology."
@ corona
Quote from: corona on November 17, 2009, 10:12:22 PM
Hopefully I'll be able to build this and write the firmware in the not too distant future.
I read that you can buy the real circuit. I would think that it would be better (and probably cheaper) to buy an actual unit since if your design does not work you will not know if the fault is in your design or not.
From what was said in the original information Bob Boyce is not publicly selling his hex controller, he has just sold it to a very few trusted experimenters, and even then for a price over $1000. For something with approximately $30 in parts I don't see that as a bargain, especially as I frankly think the PWM3X range of controllers is extremely slow and highly unstable. The mosfet driving design is especially bad from a speed and control perspective, sure it's simple but really isn't at all suitable.
I am a lot more confidant about my own mosfet output stage than even the few details that have been mentioned about the hex controller one. I'm not saying the hex controller is bad by any means, and for sure it's the control side of it that's the most important, but when the program for the hex controller needs to be re-written to suit this style purpose anyway I would much rather buy my $30 in parts and build it myself.
Any besides the mosfets, I know atmels, I used to use them, and I don't anymore. For what you get they're expensive and not as capable as many other alternatives. The luminary mico I've chosen is just fabulous, the only reason they're not yet as popular in the community is that the programming environment is still far less streamlined to set up, but I'm working on fixing that too.
If any further information is released about the hex controller in the future I would love to share my mosfet and microcontroller experience and try to improve both designs for the good of this community, but until then, or if it never happens, I would like to have something to work with myself.
Andrew
Quote from: PaulLowrance on November 22, 2009, 02:48:46 PM
If there's a circuit that requires common components & chips such as 555 timers, then I'd love to replicate one. I have a lot of nanocrystalline & amorphous cores from Metglas & Hitachi if that helps.
Oh yeah and Paul, what you're looking for is the PWM3x range of controllers (I think the latest is PWM3G although last time I checked only PWM3F had it's full schematic/pcb design released, although they're essentially the same). While I personally don't like the design, many people seem to have had success with it in the electrolysis bob boyce stuff, it's just never going to have the frequency stability and automatic tunability of a micro based design.
It should happily enough work for this, as far as I can tell you basically want three outputs, which will make pulses as thin and sharp as possible, each 120 degrees out of phase. Then you need to adjust frequency, probably pulse widths, and probably the phase angles a bit too (to counter inconsistencies in the physical layout of the coils).
I still don't know this for certain as it hasn't all been clearly documented publicly that I can find, but that's the best I've been able to ascertain.
Andrew
ps sterlinga, I would love to discuss all this on your new forum, but as I still haven't been accepted, I'll happily work through this forum and the Waterfuelforall one.
Groundloop
Can you please rar up the Solidworks part files with the assembly files. The assembly you have is no good without them unless you save the assembly as a single part file.
I've been using Solidworks for over 8 years and this fast.asm file is no good without the part files in the correct directory which should be the same root that fast.asm is in.
Thanks for sharing. Keep up the good work.
ZaP
PS Using Solidworks 2010 SP3 and 2009 SP6
Quote from: Groundloop on November 15, 2009, 03:55:09 PM
@sterlinga,
I'm have designed a 3 channel switch. It is NOT an replica of the controller
that Bob Boyce did, but my version can switch fast enough for the short
pulses required. I will soon receive the same Iron powder core and silver
coated, Teflon insulated copper wire for the core. So my toroid core will be
a close replica of the core seen in the videos. My design is open source
and can be copied, shared or posted on the net.
The design files and software can be downloaded here:
http://home.no/ufoufoufoufo/fastswitch.rar
Groundloop.
@ZaPHoN,
The HW design is described in drawings by the use of Windows Paint.
The SW is made by using MPLAB from:
http://www.microchip.com/stellent/idcplg?IdcService=SS_GET_PAGE&nodeId=1406&dDocName=en019469&part=SW007002
Groundloop.
Ahhh I see. It seem Solidworks is picking up the file as an old solidworks assembly file. The extension long ago for solidworks use to be *.asm.
Thanks for the clarification.
Quote from: Groundloop on December 14, 2009, 01:31:06 AM
@ZaPHoN,
The HW design is described in drawings by the use of Windows Paint.
The SW is made by using MPLAB from:
http://www.microchip.com/stellent/idcplg?IdcService=SS_GET_PAGE&nodeId=1406&dDocName=en019469&part=SW007002
Groundloop.
@ZaPHoN,
The .asm file is the source code for the PIC16F84A. If you download the MPLAB
program (it's free) then you can make a project and import the .asm file.
The .HEX file is the ready compiled file for the micro controller. I have updated
the ziped package with new information covering the transformer.
The new information can be downloaded here: http://home.no/ufoufoufoufo/fastswitch.rar
Alex.
Thanks a bunch.
Would anyone happen to have the mechanical properties of theToroid Coil?
ZaP
Quote from: Groundloop on December 14, 2009, 04:10:29 PM
@ZaPHoN,
The .asm file is the source code for the PIC16F84A. If you download the MPLAB
program (it's free) then you can make a project and import the .asm file.
The .HEX file is the ready compiled file for the micro controller. I have updated
the ziped package with new information covering the transformer.
The new information can be downloaded here: http://home.no/ufoufoufoufo/fastswitch.rar
Alex.
@ZaPHoN,
You can find it here:
http://www.micrometals.com/pcparts/torcore7.html?zoom_highlight=T650-52
There is a lot of download information on this site regarding cores.
Alex.
Does anyone know where I can buy one of these cores preferabely in UK but
failing that, US?
@MasterPlaster,
Yes I know one that can sell you the core and the silver plated Teflon coated
solid copper wires needed, in UK. But be warned, I it a "heck" of a boring and time
consuming job to wind that core! It is also very expensive.
Please PM me a email address I can reach you on, and I will give you the address and
telephone number.
Alex.
@Alex
Isn't the windind of the core according to what is in :
http://waterpoweredcar.com/pdf.files/D9.pdf ?
@MasterPlaster,
Yes it is.
But you will know what I mean when you start winding your core. :-)
Alex.
Quote from: MasterPlaster on December 14, 2009, 07:13:04 PM
Does anyone know where I can buy one of these cores preferabely in UK but
failing that, US?
Masterplaster, you can buy it from a German Webshop as well:
http://www.spulen.com/shop/product_info.php?products_id=1140
I bought one my self, which is under its way.
Something nice to play with during the winter holidays ;)
here in uk http://www.courtiestown.co.uk/batteries/shop.htm (http://www.courtiestown.co.uk/batteries/shop.htm)
Group,
My tests with the new transformer did not charge the battery.
I guess my switch is not fast enough the get the desired result.
When I say fast, I mean the rising and falling edges of the pulse.
I have tested at least 100 different SW timings and pulse durations.
The closest I got was a near unity result when the battery did not
charge but did not discharge either. (Or it discharged so slowly that
I could not see it on my meters.)
My attempt to get this work was a failure, but that does not mean it
could work for others.
Alex.
Quote from: Frederic2k1 on November 15, 2009, 10:06:36 AM
Are there any other replicators on this board ?
The PDF made by Bob Boyce is really amazing und it fits exactly in the operation of Steven Mark's TPU.
What pdf?
I noticed the link for the fastswitch.rar is dead so I am providing a link in case anyone is looking for it.
http://synapticmavericks.com/solidstate/fastswitch.rar
Quote from: MasterPlaster on December 15, 2009, 03:21:49 PM
What pdf?
I am not sure that I am right here, but it may be that this is what is meant:
http://www.free-energy-info.co.uk/D9.pdf
I seemed to of missed this one, too much time playing with Steorn.
Going to order the toroid kit tomorrow and have a play.
The pulse circuit should be easy enough to knock together.
Cheers
Sean.
Quote from: CLaNZeR on May 06, 2010, 05:26:26 PM
I seemed to of missed this one, too much time playing with Steorn.
Going to order the toroid kit tomorrow and have a play.
The pulse circuit should be easy enough to knock together.
Cheers
Sean.
Sean, looks like you left the Steorn replications.
Where they not successful?
B.t.w. I've replicated this Bob Boyce setup, with the only difference being that I used normal enameled copper wire instead of the silver coated wire.
I copied the hex controller easily, although I am not completely sure about the big orange capacitor Bob uses on his controller. I assumed it was connected to the MOSFET side connection of all three coils, acting as a charge buffer.
Hello teslaalset
Were you successful in your replication? I mean with OU
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Sean, looks like you left the Steorn replications.
Where they not successful?
Let's just say, doing the Steorn stuff has stopped being fun and I do thi for a hobby and all hobbies should be fun ;D
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B.t.w. I've replicated this Bob Boyce setup, with the only difference being that I used normal enameled copper wire instead of the silver coated wire.
I copied the hex controller easily, although I am not completely sure about the big orange capacitor Bob uses on his controller. I assumed it was connected to the MOSFET side connection of all three coils, acting as a charge buffer.
Did you post any progress on a thread I can check out?
Ordered the toroid kit this morning and a few emails going back and forth from certain people, which I hope will help.
I have not zoomed in and studied the PCB for the controller but did see the nice big cap there in the middle.
Will be using a Pic Chip this end as usual and the pulse seems to be around 42khz with a pulse width of 2.5uS. Is this about the speed you used?
Cheers
Sean.
Quote from: CLaNZeR on May 07, 2010, 11:14:55 AM
Did you post any progress on a thread I can check out?
Ordered the toroid kit this morning and a few emails going back and forth from certain people, which I hope will help.
I have not zoomed in and studied the PCB for the controller but did see the nice big cap there in the middle.
Will be using a Pic Chip this end as usual and the pulse seems to be around 42khz with a pulse width of 2.5uS. Is this about the speed you used?
No, I didn't post results, since I only did initial experiments which didn 't have a positive outcome w.r.t. COP>1
I used 125 ns pulses with various frequencies.
My experiment were stalled because I am spending time now on SSOrbo in my scarce freetime.
There are two Yahoo groups that discusses the controller that you might find interesting:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/b-hex/
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/WorkingWatercar/?yguid=47756180
It takes some time to get onboard of these groups, since they are moderated and you need to be approaved as member.
Another thread that could be of interest is following:
http://www.waterfuelforall.com/forum/index.php?topic=423.0
None of them show successful replication though.
I am not absolutely negative about this technology, but it is more complex that simply replicating what can be found public.
Once I will seize my research on SSorbo I will pick up this topic again as well.
Thanks for the links.
Have had a few emails from people since I posted that I was going to give this a go, so looking good and hopefully a bit of help out there.
Good luck with the SS-Orbo that end, I spent weeks logging data on the scope with my rig. Reckon they might have something there, it is all the other BS I do not like. But will not go into that here LOL !
Cheers
Sean.
Quote from: teslaalset on May 07, 2010, 12:31:56 PM
No, I didn't post results, since I only did initial experiments which didn 't have a positive outcome w.r.t. COP>1
I used 125 ns pulses with various frequencies.
My experiment were stalled because I am spending time now on SSOrbo in my scarce freetime.
There are two Yahoo groups that discusses the controller that you might find interesting:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/b-hex/
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/WorkingWatercar/?yguid=47756180
It takes some time to get onboard of these groups, since they are moderated and you need to be approaved as member.
Another thread that could be of interest is following:
http://www.waterfuelforall.com/forum/index.php?topic=423.0
None of them show successful replication though.
I am not absolutely negative about this technology, but it is more complex that simply replicating what can be found public.
Once I will seize my research on SSorbo I will pick up this topic again as well.
Quote from: CLaNZeR on May 07, 2010, 01:10:41 PM
Thanks for the links.
Have had a few emails from people since I posted that I was going to give this a go, so looking good and hopefully a bit of help out there.
Good luck with the SS-Orbo that end, I spent weeks logging data on the scope with my rig. Reckon they might have something there, it is all the other BS I do not like. But will not go into that here LOL !
Cheers
Sean.
I am not part of SKDB, so probably I should not call my privat research SSOrbo because of that. I have my own insights by now, gathered by the findings of many others.
Sad to hear you did not like the process over-there. Time will learn whether it will produce the info we are all yearning for.
I'll monitor this thread, so where possible I will answer further questions, if there are any.
I guess we all are glad to see you back here at Overunity. Have fun!
Still waiting for the Toroid kit this end, seems to be a delay.
But this has given me chance to get the Interface finished, along with a easy to use windows GUI to program the pulse sequence.
Full build details as usual are here http://www.overunity.org.uk/showthread.php?t=496
Have attached a few pictures below.
Bob_Boyce-TPU.pdf
@
http://mazeto.net/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=4252.0;attach=12032
might help if you haven't read it yet, god luck and take care !
Can somebody tell me what the "danger" is as referred to by Boyce and Watky-whatever1 guy?
Is it some threat by MIB types to give cancer to anyone who succeeds? I don't understand.
Thanks,
Eighthman
P.S. I wrote that entire Bob Boyce PDF, and may release it all soon. And this copy is missing three fourths of it. FYI
Cheers,
Bruce
Quote from: Bruce_TPU on March 06, 2012, 08:57:43 AM
P.S. I wrote that entire Bob Boyce PDF, and may release it all soon. And this copy is missing three fourths of it. FYI
Cheers,
Bruce
Hi Bruce,
I've enjoyed your series "How to Build ...... TPU" and can't wait to jump in on that, but I've committed myself to first finishing my PPC project ... "PPC" stands for 'Poly Phase Controller'.
The allure of Wacky's 'self charging battery' demo on YouTube captured much attention. I set out to replicate it, but simply refused to commit to learning micro-code and all of the hardware issues, accompanying. I also noticed that interest went cold with other experimenters too ... just because of the 'micro-thing', so I set out to design a poly phase controller based on the building block principle that uses a silicon oscillator clock for precision, a frequency board and 1 or more phase boards ... all simply controlled by DIP Switch Input to establish Frequency & Phase Angles ... and NO programming skills required. The stability is as good as with a micro, but I can't compare resolutions yet. Right now I'm only thumping along at 4MHz clock speed.
Some of you may have already seen some of this development on my YouTube channel "gmeast".
I finished populating my first phase board PCB and 'cabled' it to the frequency board PCB. Below is a picture of the complete setup:
I have had several very good and informative private email exchanges with Bob Boyce with regards to some specifics dealing with choke specs, controller placement (relative to the Toroid), other specifics re: the MOSFET driver ... which one? and he says the UCC27322 (non-inverting) driver chip (with inhibit) is the way to go .... and more ... and also offered encouragement and NO 'negatives' as for what I'm trying to accomplish in hardware.
Anyway, best to you Bruce and everyone,
Greg
Quote from: gmeast on March 06, 2012, 01:46:28 PM
Hi Bruce,
I've enjoyed your series "How to Build ...... TPU" and can't wait to jump in on that, but I've committed myself to first finishing my PPC project ... "PPC" stands for 'Poly Phase Controller'.
The allure of Wacky's 'self charging battery' demo on YouTube captured much attention. I set out to replicate it, but simply refused to commit to learning micro-code and all of the hardware issues, accompanying. I also noticed that interest went cold with other experimenters too ... just because of the 'micro-thing', so I set out to design a poly phase controller based on the building block principle that uses a silicon oscillator clock for precision, a frequency board and 1 or more phase boards ... all simply controlled by DIP Switch Input to establish Frequency & Phase Angles ... and NO programming skills required. The stability is as good as with a micro, but I can't compare resolutions yet. Right now I'm only thumping along at 4MHz clock speed.
Some of you may have already seen some of this development on my YouTube channel "gmeast".
I finished populating my first phase board PCB and 'cabled' it to the frequency board PCB. Below is a picture of the complete setup:
I have had several very good and informative private email exchanges with Bob Boyce with regards to some specifics dealing with choke specs, controller placement (relative to the Toroid), other specifics re: the MOSFET driver ... which one? and he says the UCC27322 (non-inverting) driver chip (with inhibit) is the way to go .... and more ... and also offered encouragement and NO 'negatives' as for what I'm trying to accomplish in hardware.
Anyway, best to you Bruce and everyone,
Greg
Nice work Greg. People seldom realize that Bob too uses harmonics but in a different way, with his hydroxy experiments. Send me a pm and let's chat. I would gladly send you the complete PDF if it might assist you in your work.
Cheers,
Bruce
Quote from: gmeast on March 06, 2012, 01:46:28 PM
Hi Bruce,
I've enjoyed your series "How to Build ...... TPU" and can't wait to jump in on that, but I've committed myself to first finishing my PPC project ... "PPC" stands for 'Poly Phase Controller'.
The allure of Wacky's 'self charging battery' demo on YouTube captured much attention. I set out to replicate it, but simply refused to commit to learning micro-code and all of the hardware issues, accompanying. I also noticed that interest went cold with other experimenters too ... just because of the 'micro-thing', so I set out to design a poly phase controller based on the building block principle that uses a silicon oscillator clock for precision, a frequency board and 1 or more phase boards ... all simply controlled by DIP Switch Input to establish Frequency & Phase Angles ... and NO programming skills required. The stability is as good as with a micro, but I can't compare resolutions yet. Right now I'm only thumping along at 4MHz clock speed.
Some of you may have already seen some of this development on my YouTube channel "gmeast".
I finished populating my first phase board PCB and 'cabled' it to the frequency board PCB. Below is a picture of the complete setup:
I have had several very good and informative private email exchanges with Bob Boyce with regards to some specifics dealing with choke specs, controller placement (relative to the Toroid), other specifics re: the MOSFET driver ... which one? and he says the UCC27322 (non-inverting) driver chip (with inhibit) is the way to go .... and more ... and also offered encouragement and NO 'negatives' as for what I'm trying to accomplish in hardware.
Anyway, best to you Bruce and everyone,
Greg
Hey Greg,
I am eagerly watching your videos now. I am very interested in that project. Can you share some of the info Bob gave you?
Many thanks,
Fausto.
Quote from: plengo on March 06, 2012, 08:29:43 PM
Hey Greg,
I am eagerly watching your videos now. I am very interested in that project. Can you share some of the info Bob gave you?
Many thanks,
Fausto.
Hi Plengo,
Thanks. Some of the information Bob has shared with me I have agreed NOT to discuss in open forum.
watkykjy1's videos did raise some question: In a single battery charging setup, 2 chokes are required ... one on the regeneration circuit (FET diodes to battery) and one between battery + and Toroid Primary common. His videos don't show the B+ choke but it is part of controlling the flow of longitudinal energy (LME). Both chokes are part of that control and so some tuning is implied, but he gave me no specifics other than info' found on (the most up-to-date version of) the D9.pdf ... get that at HydrogenGarage.com.
Also, the spikes you see on watkykjy1 's scope are NOT LME, and, in fact, the spikes returned to the battery are not enough (alone) to cover the energy consumed or lost by the controller and Toroid. The spikes are added to the regeneration 'mix' and returned to the battery instead of clamping (wasting) them to ground. It's the LME that does the charging.
He did tell me that better performance may be achieved with a 2-battery 'swap' approach. This is because the choke in the regeneration circuit reduces the LME to the battery (in a single battery setup). In a 2-battery setup, that choke is not needed (he says). This confuses me a little in that I thought that choke was required to block EM Interference but allow LME to pass to the battery being charged but that may apply (specifically) to a single battery setup. I never got this cleared up. But he also told me the charging performance could be compromised (1-battery setup) if the battery is too big or is compromised in some way ... losses due to sulfation or has too much internal resistance, oxidation, etc. So that means use 2, smaller, known-good batteries for a 2-battery config.
Personally I don't like the 2-battery setup. The 1-battery setup is the "Holy Grail" in my opinion.
He also said NOT to hook any electronic equipment to the battery being charged ... applies to 1- & 2-battery configurations. So that means - use a mechanical (needle-type) voltage meter and amp meter in the setup ... no digital meters, scopes, etc ... that works for me.
Well plengo, those are the highlights. I'm going to try and find a couple of small (hopefully new) flooded lead-acid batteries to continue with ... maybe motorcycle batteries.
****I've added this: Bob Says that a pulse width (PW) as long as 2.5usec will work and a micro clocking at only 4MHz is sufficient. This implies that the pulsing frequency is not too high ... maybe less than 50kHz because of the micro's overhead, etc. He also said what's equally important is " ... what's going on between the pulses ...", but unfortunately he offered no specific details but I feel it did warrant mentioning.
Later,
Greg
Hi all,
Just in case you might want to know one of the frequencies watkykjy1 was running his Hex-Controller at during the 'self-charging' demo videos, here is a capture from his first video ... below. He made 5 vids that he posted to YouTube (public). He made the first one and then re-made the demo as a 4-parter 1of4 thru 4of4, and this latter series of 4 vids is what most people have watched. The capture below is from his first video (not part of the series of 4). He doubtless made more videos (for private viewing) for selected individuals ... maybe.
The capture shows a sweep of 50 micro-seconds per division. The pulses seen on the scope occur almost every 50usecs which places the frequency at 20kHz. This is a relatively low frequency and easily negotiated by any micro and most definitely by my PPC. I have set it at 20KHz and a PW of 600nsec 3-Ph. I'll make a short vid to show you all - if interested ... just reply.
I hope I'm correct about the scope sweep. If the full sweep is 50usec, then the frequency is 200KHz ... still relatively easy to negotiate.
Later,
Greg
The capture:
It's sad that Bob can't just come in and assist you to get the desired effect on your already excellent circuit. Did something happen to him?
Quote from: broli on March 08, 2012, 04:30:47 AM
It's sad that Bob can't just come in and assist you to get the desired effect on your already excellent circuit. Did something happen to him?
Hi broli,
Thanks for your comment.
My last communication with Bob was on 6/20/2011. He PM'd me via my private email address in reply to a question I had regarding the 'B+' choke. In that reply he stated:
"... Yes, the B+ choke is always required. Right now is not a good time to be working with the toroidal tech, it no longer functions. The dark energy density is too low and is falling rapidly, it is now below 33% of what it used to be ...."
- which was shocking to hear. However, recently, someone on the YahooGroups b-hex forum stated:
'... it works again ...'
There were other "interesting" comments in the email referring to some of this 2012 stuff, but since I consider him somewhat of a genius with special insight into LME, I'll just keep some of that to myself (out of respect for Bob).
I had asked him several questions about component placement WRT the Toroid and in one of those replies he commented:
"... Please remember to keep all leads between the toroid and the PCB at identical lengths ........ While there's not enough room for a controller there, the center hole of the toroid is a convenient place to mount the toroid B+ choke. It slips over the Faraday cage center bolt (1/2" 304 SS threaded rod) and down into the center hole of the toroid quite nicely .........This field (Toroid's) can affect timing, so I suggest keeping the controller close to the core, either above or below it where the field is the weakest ..."
watkykiy1 had none of that in his demo'.
This implies that the controller should be in the center of the Toroid. As it happens, both of my boards 'folded' together (back to back) fit in the center of the Toroid with room to spare (as long as I get rid of the headers and solder those digital data lines direct to the board). Steve Marks also alludes to the necessity of having the critical components in the center of a TPU Toroid.
As to your ? re: "Did something happen to him?", I think he's in '2012 preparation mode'.
A correction to my earlier post regarding 'micro clock speed' ... he was actually referring to IPS (instructions per second) ... 4MIPS not 4MHz.
Anyway, I'm still pretty sure the frequency that watkykiy1 used is in the 20KHz to 50KHz range judging by the specs of the FET driver chip UCC2732X. Thanks for replying ... and your comment about my circuit.
Greg
Quote from: gmeast on March 07, 2012, 11:18:08 PM
Hi all,
Just in case you might want to know one of the frequencies watkykjy1 was running his Hex-Controller at during the 'self-charging' demo videos, here is a capture from his first video ... below..........................................................
.......................................I hope I'm correct about the scope sweep. If the full sweep is 50usec, then the frequency is 200KHz ... still relatively easy to negotiate.
Later,
Greg
Hi all,
Sorry about quoting myself, but I have been going through my communications with Bob and I was able to pinpoint one of the operational frequencies we need to aim for. This was gleaned from an email he sent to me on 2/15/2011. I don't think he would mind me 'excerpting' a piece of it for the purposes here. We had been discussing frequencies, the PWM3G, FETs and FET drivers, Micros, etc and he cautioned about over-driving the Toroid. He stated this:
" ... Oh, you'll want to be careful about pulse repetition rate, ie operational
frequency. When W made a mistake in his clock divisor value, he accidentally
hit 428 Khz instead of 42.8 khz. The resulting avalanche fried his toroid and HC
board ..."
(W refers to watkykiy1 and HC refers to Hex Controller).
... which is pretty clear that 42.8KHz is one of the operational frequencies ... and probably 21.4KHz also. He does state that power density is directly related to frequency ... of course, however this caution is vital to having a complete working knowledge of this stuff.
... wanted to share this. Later,
Greg
Quote from: gmeast on March 07, 2012, 12:59:19 PM
Hi Plengo,
Thanks. Some of the information Bob has shared with me I have agreed NOT to discuss in open forum.
watkykjy1's videos did raise some question: In a single battery charging setup, 2 chokes are required ... ................................................................................
****I've added this: Bob Says that a pulse width (PW) as long as 2.5usec will work and a micro clocking at only 4MHz is sufficient. This implies that the pulsing frequency is not too high ... maybe less than 50kHz because of the micro's overhead, etc. He also said what's equally important is " ... what's going on between the pulses ...", but unfortunately he offered no specific details but I feel it did warrant mentioning.
Later,
Greg
OK guys,
Here's another interesting clue that Bob has alluded to regarding " ... what's going on between the pulses ..."
In a PM to me on 2/15/2011 he had made the following comment:
" ... Also, I've not seen any discussion of the driver inhibit pins yet. They can be
used for individually gating each drivers output, which allows for secondary
channel control over each output. This is useful for creating timed gaps in an
otherwise continuous pulse stream. Since you're not using a microcontroller
to control your pulse pattern, you should be able to come up with another
method to create timed gaps. The PWM3 series uses halved and halved
again frequencies to create these timed gaps. The HC uses code ...."
Can someone shine some light on this if they know what he may be suggesting?
Thanks,
Greg
Quote from: Loner on March 09, 2012, 03:12:53 AM
I can make a guess. Using 1/2 and 1/4 Frequencies, you could form a kind of "rotation" in the field, as a form of modulation. I can't really explain what I intend to say much better than that. In any rotating digital logic, this is standard procedure, but not thought about much in these modern times. There are LOTS of proprietary circuits to do special things using this type of concept.
Of course, I have no idea if this was the idea he was actually talking about. Seems logical, however.
Good Luck.
Hi Loner,
Thanks for your input. I'm not sure I understand what you mean by "rotation". As for the 'wacky' charging video, the 3 phases fire separate coils in a "firing" order and to me,
that seems like a "rotation" .... moving the unsaturated core field around in the toroid in one direction ... or I simply don't understand "rotation" in this type of system.
My "building-block" controller can do 'timed spaces'. In fact I'll only two more partially populated Frequency Boards (sans the clocks and power regulators) ... they will slave off of the same clock and use the same regulator. Then I'll need to use 1 more Phase Board also. It goes like this ... the lowest frequency board will have the longest PW. The successive channels will have 'successively' shorter PWs and will need to be successively increased (matched) to the lowest fequency's PW.
wacky's video only showed 3 pulses per cycle ... 120 degrees phased. I think you need the timed spacing for hydroxy production though ... so much still unclear ... oh my, oh my!
Later,
Greg
Hi guys,
Perhaps you are not aware that I designed (and published-on no less than 3 forums!) a 'replacement' for Bob's "Hex controller" about 5 years ago!
It has only ONE frequency control, the other two 'follow' automatically. Synchronized.
Phase delays between them is adjustable, so is the pulse width, individually or together.
I published the circuit diagram, detailed circuit description AND the pcb layout!
For your convenience, I have attached those files here.
Check it all out, if you are interested.
Best regards,
Les Banki
Thanks Les for posting those documents and schematics. I hope people realize what a treasure these are and how nice it is you are sharing your work like this. I have not kept up on your work but know you are working with HHO. Do you have any engines running solely on HHO?
Quote from: Les Banki on March 09, 2012, 10:29:18 PM
Hi guys,
Perhaps you are not aware that I designed (and published-on no less than 3 forums!) a 'replacement' for Bob's "Hex controller" about 5 years ago!
It has only ONE frequency control, the other two 'follow' automatically. Synchronized.
Phase delays between them is adjustable, so is the pulse width, individually or together.
I published the circuit diagram, detailed circuit description AND the pcb layout!
For your convenience, I have attached those files here.
Check it all out, if you are interested.
Best regards,
Les Banki
Hi Les,
Thanks for the comprehensive post . My interest in this stuff is pretty well limited to the self charging characteristics exhibited in the series of watkykjy1's YouTube videos. I assume you've viewed those.
My goal is to try and offer a digital controller having the same stability and output characteristics as a Micro-based controller but that is adjustable (tuneable) on-the-fly via DIP Switches. This might appeal to some experimenters that otherwise might shy away from controllers such as the PWM3G or a synchronized version of that ... like yours. The role harmonics plays in hydroxy systems has been well published, but the criteria that must be met to achieve successful self-charging performance from a 3-Phase Boyce Toroid/Controller combination is NOT well published or understood except (it seems) by Bob himself. I appreciate the help he's given me privately more than I can express, but some info' still seems cryptic to me.
Thanks again for the contribution of your very professional write-up, schematic, and the PCB layout and masks.
Later,
Greg
'e2matrix'
Thanks for your kind words.
I designed that circuit as an 'engineering challenge'!
However, most people don't seem to realize that you don't need "fancy" resonance drive to run generator engines! (no kidding)
I ran a 250cc engine on HydrOxy only (about 16 years ago), just to prove it could be done.
Then I was out of the "game" for about 10 years, doing other things.
This time around I have designed a large number of circuits for the complete control of generators running on HydrOxy ONLY. (there is even an automatic start circuit!)
Now I am in the final stages of setting up a new 9kW generator.
If you wish to have details and follow my progress, all my files are available on the 'watercarTWO' Forum.
[You need to join and 'log in' to download the files though. (not my decision!)]
(There must be about 60 files there - some are pictures, drawings, etc.)
By the way, I also post on THIS forum, in the "Selfrunning HHO system with 400W additional outut" thread. There you can not only read my posts but can also see the attachments!
Best regards,
Les Banki
Thanks Les, I joined the group and will dig into some of the details soon.
Hi all,
I'd appreciate some input from someone who might know. I had asked Bob in a private email about problems with the single-battery setup as seen in wacky1's videos. I had not achieved net charging so I asked him '... what about my battery might prevent charging ...?'. Part of his reply stated this:
"The large battery could have self-discharge losses higher than the charge current. With single battery charging, losses are more critical because we have to use the series choke on the output. If running from one battery and charging a second battery bank of higher voltage, the choke can be eliminated so that charging is greatly enhanced. Just be sure not to connect anything electronic to that battery with the toroid running."
The part I don't understand is the distinction he makes about the batteries being charged:
" ... If running from one battery and charging a second battery bank of higher voltage, the choke can be eliminated so that charging is greatly enhanced."
Why higher? This means you can't run in a 'battery swap' configuration because the battery you wish to charge will have lower voltage than the 'running' battery. That's the whole point ... charge up the depleted battery!
As I go back through my communications with Bob, I am getting confused.
Later,
Greg
Quote from: gmeast on March 13, 2012, 02:19:46 AM
Hi all,
I'd appreciate some input from someone who might know. I had asked Bob in a private email about problems with the single-battery setup as seen in wacky1's videos. I had not achieved net charging so I asked him '... what about my battery might prevent charging ...?'. Part of his reply stated this:
"The large battery could have self-discharge losses higher than the charge current. With single battery charging, losses are more critical because we have to use the series choke on the output. If running from one battery and charging a second battery bank of higher voltage, the choke can be eliminated so that charging is greatly enhanced. Just be sure not to connect anything electronic to that battery with the toroid running."
The part I don't understand is the distinction he makes about the batteries being charged:
" ... If running from one battery and charging a second battery bank of higher voltage, the choke can be eliminated so that charging is greatly enhanced."
Why higher? This means you can't run in a 'battery swap' configuration because the battery you wish to charge will have lower voltage than the 'running' battery. That's the whole point ... charge up the depleted battery!
As I go back through my communications with Bob, I am getting confused.
Later,
Greg
OK ... never mind. I get it. Regardless of the circuitry, 'charging' a battery of lower voltage would just allow the 'run' battery to discharge into the 'charge battery' until equalization. Boy! ... this would be a real good way to fool yourself into thinking you're charging
when you're NOT. OOOOOHHH! I hope this isn't what some experimenters fail to realize when they
assume their circuit is charging the 'low' battery but actually
isn't. One must be very careful!!!!!!!!!
So ... I'll use three 12VDC, 7 to 8 AH batteries. Two in series in the 'charge bank' and one 'run' battery. Just keep dumping the 'high' battery off of the 'charge bank' and swap it in
as the new run battery and put the old run battery at the 'bottom' of the 'charge bank'. Or should I not allow that much stress and just
keep a 6VDC battery at the bottom of the 'charge bank' or even a 2-cell 3VDC battery at the bottom?
Help!
Later,
Greg
OK everyone,
I'm buying two, brand new 12VDC SLA batteries by Power Patrol and one, brand new 4VDC SLA battery - also by Power Patrol. The 4-volt battery will stay at the 'bottom' of the 'battery charge bank' and the two 12-volt batteries will swap roles as 'run battery' and 'top-charge battery'. This way, I follow what Bob Boyce has said to do.
The 12-volts are 7AH and the 4-volt is 5AH. I'll be pulsing these with my new PPC board combination in 3-Phase mode using one of my digital Frequency Boards and one of my digital Phase Boards ... one phase from the F-Board and the other two phases from the P-Board.
I have to wait for a deposit to post before I can get the 12-volt guys, but I can get the 4-volt guy right now thanks to an unexpected but greatly appreciated donation from Pierre Corbeil of the Fondation Néodyme Internationale in Canada ... I can't believe it! THANK YOU!
Later,
Greg
@gmeast I don't know whether you have read this recent peswiki article but you should.
http://pesn.com/2012/03/14/9602057_Johan_Open_Sourcing_His_Solid_State_Free_Energy_Charger/ (http://pesn.com/2012/03/14/9602057_Johan_Open_Sourcing_His_Solid_State_Free_Energy_Charger/)
This seemingly good news is very strange at the same time. Peswiki and Johan are now trying to collect a whooping $5000 in donations to build an open source derivative that uses the same fundamental principle behind the bob hex controller but wouldn't infringe upon its intellectual property. But that's quite a steep sum of money for something that's mostly electronics if you ask me.
Edit: Perhaps it's also fair to add his own comments on the article as it caused a stir.
Quote
Hi Guys,
Firstly, let me start by saying that I am very sorry for the way in which this thing came out. Inevitably I ended up stepping on other peoples toes by wanting to open source this, made a bunch of guys mad at me, and invariably it seems that this has caused much more outrage and harm than it has done any good whatsoever. Also, I completely agree with Jai Mann that a non-solid state version would be much more efficient, etc, however, what I am trying to accomplish is the goal of having a solid state version capable of doing useful work. Now, I am no scientist. I am a technical architect, so in essence I am a glorified computer nerd, with a keen interest and sense of discovery that has led me to this point. The amount of money we hope to raise are not cast in stone, but from what I think I will need to scale this up into the kilowatt range, the above stated amounts would probably be needed.
At the moment I am using Bob's proprietary circuit, which obviously gives me the results I am seeing, but that would mean that no-one else can build and replicate it with ease, so a lot of any potential money we might get would go into making this a simple circuit built specifically to show that the effect we are seeing is real.
Please guys, don't get me wrong here, I am not out to make any money from this. On numerous occasions I actually told Sterling that I don't want any money whatsoever, and that I just want to get it out there. And I would be the first to admit that whatever I am seeing in the circuit is not happening, if someone could explain it to me in a nice manner without attacking me or the person I am for just being open and honest about it.
We are all human. We all make mistakes. Yet we all learn. At the moment I am seeing effects that appear to be over unity, which I have been using for a number of years to charge my 12V battery and then use it again and then charge again, etc, so from my side it certainly looks like something that can benefit everybody. I took a brave step to try and bring this kind of thing forward, and I would LOVE to learn from you more advanced people on how to do this better, faster, cheaper, etc, but the fact of the matter is that I am just not there yet.
So, again, from my side, I sincerely apologize for anything that was mentioned wrong, misunderstood, etc. I am just a normal guy trying to help with the little resources I have available, and through Sterling's motivation I believed that I might be the one to help others even more by researching how to scale this up, use different components, and how to make it easy to reproduce for even the most uninformed person out there.
Quote from: broli on March 15, 2012, 06:03:39 AM
@gmeast I don't know whether you have read this recent peswiki article but you should.
http://pesn.com/2012/03/14/9602057_Johan_Open_Sourcing_His_Solid_State_Free_Energy_Charger/ (http://pesn.com/2012/03/14/9602057_Johan_Open_Sourcing_His_Solid_State_Free_Energy_Charger/)
This seemingly good news is very strange at the same time. Peswiki and Johan are now trying to collect a whooping $5000 in donations to build an open source derivative that uses the same fundamental principle behind the bob hex controller but wouldn't infringe upon its intellectual property. But that's quite a steep sum of money for something that's mostly electronics if you ask me.
Edit: Perhaps it's also fair to add his own comments on the article as it caused a stir.
Hi broli,
Well, Sterling Allen claims to be 'just a journalist' by a communications I had with him. I guess Sterling should close down Peswiki in good conscience. I'm not sure Johan will be able avoid 'infringement' of the NDA he has with Bob.
I don't know why they're already talking about 80% here and 20% there or 5% there ... or whatever the article said. That kind of talk is usually a 'red flag'. Anyway, even if someone has the most 'water tight' patent on something incredible, anyone can still build it and put it to personal use unless that use is commercial, financial gain.
The use of a poly-phase toroid being pulsed by FETS and with some diodes and chokes already belongs to the public domain. I am a little bummed by this news because I thought everyone had lost interest in this particular approach. Oh well ... I've spent
more on
less before. My work with the Water Spark Plug project was like that. In the end, you could get the same water-spark plasma reaction and enhanced engine performance with just water mist and a firestorm-like spark plug WITHOUT all that circuit stuff ... and there are no "ignition secrets", so I hope you ______________ book.
Now I don't know whether to continue or not. I don't think anyone's been watching my project anyway .... I haven't seen that much interest by reply, but I did get a $31 CAD donation the other day. That's actually a big deal, because that could only have come about from someone visiting my YouTube Channel.
Later,
Greg
Hi all,
I've posted this in a couple of other places. I am primarily posting to Yahoo Groups Johan_FE thread. This so-called "open source" is not really that I fear. Thousands of dollars have been recently donated, yet no circuit, no theory, no nothing. Instead of much typing I'll just paste it here.
__________________________________
Hi all,
I'm very anxious to get baseline info'. That's all I ask from Johan. I've been going on what little bits and pieces Bob Boyce has communicated to me privately.
I have a setup, controller, FET(power interface, etc). The controller I
designed and built is not micro-based but is digital and programmable -
frequency,phase angle and pulse-width.
Here are photos of what I've done:
http://02d1852.netsolhost.com/radiant/charging/PCB/setup_0.JPG (http://02d1852.netsolhost.com/radiant/charging/PCB/setup_0.JPG)
http://02d1852.netsolhost.com/radiant/charging/PCB/3-ph_controller.JPG (http://02d1852.netsolhost.com/radiant/charging/PCB/3-ph_controller.JPG)
http://02d1852.netsolhost.com/radiant/charging/PCB/FETBoard.JPG (http://02d1852.netsolhost.com/radiant/charging/PCB/FETBoard.JPG)
setup_0.JPG shows the overall setup consisting of a Boyce Toroidal transformer, batteries, controller and FET Board.
3-ph_controller.JPG is a tight-in of my digital controller showing the Frequency Board on the left that also contains a very efficient switching power supply for the digital logic (along its upper 1/4). It outputs the Ph-1 pulse. It's tied to the Phase Board to its right by the 19, or so, brown digital data lines. The 3 phase logic level signals exit between the boards ... pink, black and brown. They go to the FET Board Driver chips. The DIP switches are used to set frequency and phase angle relationships.
FETBoard.JPG is a tight-in of my FET Board prototype. It uses the same (I
think) gate driver chips and HEXFETS as the hex-controller ... that is to say
the UCC2732X driver IC and IRF540Z power MOSFET.
I've been running at about 21.4KHz with a 500nsec pulse-width. It will go down to 120nsec PW. These numbers are in good allignment with the specs for both the gate driver IC and the power MOSFET.
The variation of the setup you see in the photos is based on charging a separate battery bank of a higher voltage than the battery running the controller and toroid. The upper battery is a 12VSLA in series with a 2VSLA cell for a total of 14V. This is the charge bank. The lower position is the run-battery ... also a 12VSLA. In this configuration, you do not need the recovery choke to mitigate conflicts of the single battery setup. This was an alternative setup suggested by Bob Boyce in a private communication.
BUT ... I CONSIDER THE SINGLE-BATTERY CONFIGURATION TO BE THE HOLY GRAIL.
... wish $omeone would $end me $ome money ... ha!
Now you see why I'd like some questions answered ... if this is truly an
open-source effort. This will probably follow the FAILED ORBO model instead of being TRULY open-source.
Later all,
Greg
Dear all,
Did anyone continue with the research about the Watkykjy1 setup?
What were your results?
Please share your info.
Thanks!
Quote from: stevie1001 on March 25, 2022, 03:49:04 AM
Dear all,
Did anyone continue with the research about the Watkykjy1 setup?
What were your results?
Please share your info.
Thanks!
Dear Stevie,
He has a family that he is enjoying and taking care of and gave all of this up. As of right now I am all you got. Sorry things turned out this way but it is what it is. You once punished me for being attacked racially on your forum instead of punishing those that attacked me. Of this I have never forgot though I have forgiven you as I understand the hatred your people have against mines. Even though I really didn't expect what I saw going on in Ukraine right now as they went one above it all. There they were in the middle of a war with bombs being dropped on them and they stopped and made the time to be racist against people like me. I fully admit I didn't see that one coming.
But in any case I am alive and well and should be moving forwards with this technology sometime this year. I believe I have one machine to purchase in the near future, and a circuit to build, plus a few accessories to get. It took this long because for the most part I was forced to go it alone. Each time I'd ask for support I'd be banned or restricted somehow. Even now as I begin to show just how this technology actually works in a scientifically provable manor those that hate still rise up against me telling people that this technology violates the laws of physics. I broke this technology down in it's simplest terms where all one needs to know how to do is add and subtract to be able to tell this technology actually works as claimed. I even showed a video of the technology working showing how the bubble evolution looks very different from that of typical electrolysis.
As I look out at all the technologies people on this forum are hoping make it out to this world I know that I am sitting on one of the greatest of them in that what ever we power by fossil fuels right now can be powered by this technology. From the air, land, and sea this technology will effect them all and according to Meyer even in space. Since I am a scientist I already now the world already runs on hydrogen as if plants don't get the hydrogen they need from water all life on this planet comes to an end. With the way fossil fuels work the hydrogen they burn depletes the available oxygen in the air and on top of that they produce all the greenhouse gases that further deplete the available oxygen in the air with things like CO, CO2, and all of the NOx gases. With water all the oxygen it needs to burn is stored in the water itself which this technology will be allowing us to use as fuel so no more oxygen depletion from our atmosphere. If done correctly it also doesn't produce any NOx gases either. The perfect fuel for our world to run on but those that sell energy for a living don't wish for this technology to see the light of day as it kills their cash cow. It's going to be a total change in human affairs as we will no longer have to pay for energy to keep warm in some areas and cool in others, cook and/or store their food, or get around the globe. The power of this technology's ability to transform our way of life is greater than any technology I have ever come across as it allows us to become apart of the earth's water cycle.
The adoption of this technology is going to take awhile as there are a lot of vehicles and other machines out there that need converting to use this technology, last count, well over a few billion individual units. But as someone wise once said, "Big things often have small beginnings."
Shalom,
Edward Mitchell
CEO and Owner
True Green Solutions
https://www.gofundme.com/f/energy-independence-for-you-and-me (https://www.gofundme.com/f/energy-independence-for-you-and-me)
Quote from: h20power on March 26, 2022, 07:17:03 PM
Dear Stevie,
He has a family that he is enjoying and taking care of and gave all of this up. As of right now I am all you got. Sorry things turned out this way but it is what it is. You once punished me for being attacked racially on your forum instead of punishing those that attacked me. Of this I have never forgot though I have forgiven you as I understand the hatred your people have against mines. Even though I really didn't expect what I saw going on in Ukraine right now as they went one above it all. There they were in the middle of a war with bombs being dropped on them and they stopped and made the time to be racist against people like me. I fully admit I didn't see that one coming.
But in any case I am alive and well and should be moving forwards....
Did i ask you anything, mr. ceo of a one man show?
You never build anything that comes close to a hexcontroller.
And now you feel the freedom to hack this topic?
Adding the ukraine war in this? Adding rasicme in this topic? Your writing here is again to create a negative picture and feelings towards me on things i never did.
You dont get it. [size=78%]So useless.[/size]
let me repeat what i told you on my forum: stop mixing religious stuff with technology. I dont care what your background is.
I am from the people who have he most acceptance of different cultures and religions and so am i.
And now you want to start the whole discussion again and showing your great forgiven me?
Thats the reason you had to be shot down, as many other admins before me have done in the past on other forums as well.
You write non related bullshit.
And because you pissed me off again with this post, can you show anything working of Meyer that produces hho, hydrogen or anything extra ordinary that is better then normal brownsgas production?
NO. You cannot.
You are a tiny little man of a tiny one man ceo show with no life at all.
go uck yourself, mitchel
Information re-cycling,management :
f.e. #60 :
https://web.archive.org/web/20130208191005/http://pesn.com/2012/03/14/9602057_Johan_Open_Sourcing_His_Solid_State_Free_Energy_Charger/ (https://web.archive.org/web/20130208191005/http://pesn.com/2012/03/14/9602057_Johan_Open_Sourcing_His_Solid_State_Free_Energy_Charger/)
https://web.archive.org/web/20130123133127/http://pesn.com/2012/02/22/9602042_South_African_Fuel-Free_Generator_Preparing_for_Market/
And asking : what happened in the last ten years with that idea,concept !?
Similar ideas(prototype -functional/demonstrateable -stage ) in rexresearch/peswiki,et cet.
or overunity.com forum thread/theme solid state devices / Re: Bob Boyce Hex Controller (https://overunity.com/8289/bob-boyce-hex-controller/msg314923/topicseen/#msg314923) to find ?!
https://overunity.com/solid-state-devices/ (https://overunity.com/solid-state-devices/)
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Quote from: stevie1001 on March 27, 2022, 04:03:15 AM
Did i ask you anything, mr. ceo of a one man show?
You never build anything that comes close to a hexcontroller.
And now you feel the freedom to hack this topic?
Adding the ukraine war in this? Adding rasicme in this topic? Your writing here is again to create a negative picture and feelings towards me on things i never did.
You dont get it. [size=78%]So useless.[/size]
let me repeat what i told you on my forum: stop mixing religious stuff with technology. I dont care what your background is.
I am from the people who have he most acceptance of different cultures and religions and so am i.
And now you want to start the whole discussion again and showing your great forgiven me?
Thats the reason you had to be shot down, as many other admins before me have done in the past on other forums as well.
You write non related bullshit.
And because you pissed me off again with this post, can you show anything working of Meyer that produces hho, hydrogen or anything extra ordinary that is better then normal brownsgas production?
NO. You cannot.
You are a tiny little man of a tiny one man ceo show with no life at all.
go uck yourself, mitchel
So, you too are against CRT huh? as you too don't like history being told as it actually happened, correct? As for the guy with the Hex Controller I know him personally as I took the time to get know him and we became friends. Tell these good people what you did to me don't be shy now. Tell them how members on your forum started attacking me due to the color of my skin calling me all types of racist things. As when I went to fight back you banned me and did nothing to those that attacked me. Tell them the truth!
As for your "One Man Show" theory most times in this world it is just one man that makes a difference. Meyer was just one man, Dr. Dingle was just one man, and the list goes on and on as even Boyce was just one man. So, in reality it is one man that ends up making the difference not the other way around as never forget even Tesla was just one man. This is the reality of our world as it's never been the many that truly made a positive difference but one individual that pushed the idea in their heads forwards. Prove me wrong on this if you can.
It may have taken me a while to get at the science behind the technology but in the end I did just that. Since the patents have all expired I will be doing things my way and don't need to prove myself to anyone let alone someone like you who would choose to let the whole world burn up if someone like me had the solution to keep it from burning. In time the truth always comes out as that's just the nature of things. I have to move at my own pace as what choice do I have as this is my reality and I accept it.
But one thing you have shown everyone here is, when you had the power to act negatively against me you willing chose to do so, but here you have no power and thus can't act on your total willingness to hurt folks like me. Meyer mixed religion with this technology as correct me if I am wrong but didn't he have "Jesus Christ is Lord" painted on the side of his car? As I am pretty sure that is what it says, yes?
And when it comes to the war in the Ukraine I know what I saw taking place in far more than one video found on the internet of folks like me being singled out and mistreated just due to the color of their skin. I think this photo sums up how folks like you feel about things, but as for me I already know war is to not be supported from either side as that old song goes, "War, what it is good for absolutely nothin..." and I believe it!
In time we will see how things play out for this technology as I know from the scriptures it does have a role to play in our future. Job 38:22-23.
Shalom,
Edward Mitchell
CEO and Owner
True Green Solutions
https://www.gofundme.com/f/energy-independence-for-you-and-me (https://www.gofundme.com/f/energy-independence-for-you-and-me)