Something I think we shouldn't forget is that Davey as did John Keely noticed the fact that some objects vibrated at a distance when he played his sax would vibrate and that intrigued him. How could certain notes on the sax vibrate certain object etc. John used the example of the train passing at a distance while he was in church and noticing some glass windows vibrating. This showed a very efficient energy transfer that seems to be only explained by resonance. I think this is the key to the efficient energy transfer of the mains to the bells to the water. The same as pushing a swing. We have to push the bell with it's natural frequency.

thanks for that patent NewAge,   
Sandy I looked at the results NerzhDishuals obtained, very good work there, yes there seems to be not much difference, interesting..


I was just thinking,  if the intent is to prevent the microcavitation due to boiling, imagine what happens if the cavitation occurs at the focal point of a sphere.   As each buble explodes into being and forms,  it sends out spherical waves outward since it displaces water, but here's the catch, the waves reflect right back and focus in the center raising the pressure and possibly re-compresing the bubbles to some extent making it harder to form.... so I can see how sonic action can be occuring and can be beneficial.... hmmmm ....    I got to look for the Thrapp heater thread and see what's being discussed there...


Oh, another thought,  on the other hand if we do want rapid cavitation to occur,  the vibrations of a plate explain that perfectly.  Imagine a plate in water and you suddenly push it one way.  What happens to one side compared to the other?   Well the pressure increases on one side and decreases on the other.   Where will rapid boiling occur now?   The side with the lower pressure !!!   Hmmmmmmm, I think I need to get invovled and build something soon ......  (here's an experiment to show this, boil some water then lift the metal pot off the stove and wait untill the boiling stops, then hit the bottom with a hard object a spoon or hamer, not to hard to break or dent the pot, and you should see boiling reignite in certain spots)

I'm reading the patent and it sounds like intermittent contact can develop, but in one paragraph he does sound like he does not want this to occur...  here's what he says on page 5 mid way ,  "Various methods can be employed satisfactorily in effecting and maintaining an electrical connection...."

EM

P.S.  I just finished reading the whole patent, and I'm dissipointed that he doesn't address the benefits of electrode vibration.   He does not say anything about proper tuning for a certian note or anything of that nature, so it appears his technology is just rapid heating based on electrical contact with a conductive liquid,  and of course this is special since if there is no water, there is no danger of overheating, unlike coil based systems that continue to generate heat and if no cooling occurs the tempeture is driven too high and fires or meldown can occur.   I think  I'm going to leave this technology alone for now, seems to be nothing magical. It's our ignorance that makes us think it's special, but I bet a thermo engineer would set us straight...  seems like the profesor in the video was right, it's the electricity passing through water that heats it up ...  oh well....

Quote from: EMdevices on June 16, 2008, 09:48:19 AM
  Sandy I looked at the results NerzhDishuals obtained, very good work there...

...I think  I'm going to leave this technology alone for now, seems to be nothing magical. It's our ignorance that makes us think it's special, but I bet a thermo engineer would set us straight...

...hmmmm, i wonder how much extra NerzhDishual's preliminary COP = 1 results would have to get, for them to be something magical?!? 


keep on truckin', guys
sandy

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Quote from: EMdevices on June 15, 2008, 07:31:23 PM
I'm taking a break from the TPU research  (just for tonight    )   and read this whole thread.

Personal Opinion:

1)  The main heating energy comes from electricity, however, sonic and convection flows play an important role as follows:

I'll check back periodically....

EM

Thank you very much EM. How's that TPU going? I think its about circulating the magnetic field to get electrical current right?

I do not agree with you on your thought that the main energy is the electricity.
Small amount of consumption is reported.
If it is, there is no point in pursuing this topic.
What's more, if this is not an urban myth the amount of water does not matter much.
This could only be true if the heating power comes from vibrations/resonance (or
something else we do not know thats there.)

I sometimes think that all these stuff (Meyer, TPU, Testatica, Davey etc.)
all are just urban myths to keep great minds like yours and other friends' here busy with
colorful dreams. Meanwhile we keep on buying gas from the price they want us to buy and electricity
from the price they like us to buy, with the hope that we will be free from all that nonsense soon.
Bedini etc. would be government agents in that case

Quote from: EMdevices on June 16, 2008, 09:48:19 AM
P.S.  I just finished reading the whole patent, and I'm dissipointed that he doesn't address the benefits of electrode vibration.   He does not say anything about proper tuning for a certian note or anything of that nature, so it appears his technology is just rapid heating based on electrical contact with a conductive liquid,  and of course this is special since if there is no water, there is no danger of overheating, unlike coil based systems that continue to generate heat and if no cooling occurs the tempeture is driven too high and fires or meldown can occur.   I think  I'm going to leave this technology alone for now, seems to be nothing magical. It's our ignorance that makes us think it's special, but I bet a thermo engineer would set us straight...  seems like the profesor in the video was right, it's the electricity passing through water that heats it up ...  oh well....

Remember that we are talking about a 1945 patent. OU is not an issue there. There could be many
other reasons why the tuning etc. has not been mentioned. Many patents keep some secrets.
Also, he most probably upgraded the gadget after filing this patent.

To me, what we have been talking about is interesting. I will continue believing this to be true
until someone or I build(s) a device just like Daveys' tune(s) the inner bell and then adjust(s) the distance
from the outer bell properly and do(es) an experiment that proves that there is no magic here.