Quote from: Koen1 on July 01, 2008, 08:44:26 AM
Probably.
But if you touch the cap with wet fingers,
isn't that sort of natural selection at work?
jk

Anyway:
Go Luc! Go Ossie! W00T!

but seriously, this is starting to get really exciting.
I'm actually considering putting my cell experiments on hold for this...
... and digging up that old hydrogen kit motor I had so I can try
it with a running motor... now where did I put that thing?

May I suggest compiling a sort of documentation file or folder in which
Luc and Ossie gather the most usefull and clear posts, explanations,
and circuit drawings, in order to facilitate bringing people up to speed?
The thread is growing so fast that peope only jumping in now first have to
spend 2 days reading the earlier posts before they get to this point.

I posted some stuff myself that turned out to be complete crap just ten
minutes later because I had missed a piece of the developments in the thread.
Apologies for polluting your nice thread Luc.

Oh, and if s1r9a9m9 has his V8 conversion plans online somewhere
that might be interesting

Great idae,
i've just ordered some parts of the Ossie "simple" experiment (coil, diode ... xeon ...)
a pdf file would be very useful for newbee like me !

Quote from: aether22 on July 01, 2008, 07:02:21 AM
send2, I agree.

While I am personally interested in how this circuit may be generating the kind of conditions for a 'radiant effect', and that is a very important direction, the other question is if he has anything other that a fun pop.

You need quite a bit of power to push down a piston, hundreds of pounds of pressure is developed to push down a piston.
In fact if anyone tells you that implosion can power an engine you know they are either wrong or are not meaning the creation of a partial vacuum as atmospheric pressure is only 16PSI and that's no where near enough to run an engine. (which is not to say that a non-atmospheric implosive force may not be possible)

So anyone who has the effect needs to see if it can create some real pressure, and compare it to gas explosion.

And if expensive inverters are not needed then can Luc please put a cheaper plan in the first post of the thread, I have lots of gear but no inverters.

@aether22, @gotoluc

I think the question of is this energy an incursion of a different form can be put to bed fairly fast. From what I have seen in the circuits they are all floating, no physical connection to ground?

If this is in some way pulling a form of energy from the lattice, it can be stopped by the addition of an earth ground on the spark side at some point. Just connect your assumed common on the spark side or one side of the cap to ground. This will not affect the working of the circuit but will remove the possibility of unknown energy (my opinion only) from taking part. You should see a decrease in the result if you are indeed absorbing anomalous energy.

Measuring the cap voltage if this is indeed anomalous will not show anything unexpected. The external energy will not show up on current day instrumentation.

Here is what I did. I connected a SEC15-3 to charge a 100uf 330V cap and discharged the cap via 135V SIDAC into the primary of a 12KV neon sign transformer and the transformer secondary connected to a spark plug. All was driven by 12LA battery. I did observe a similar reaction, yet my first feeling is that it is a localized reaction to a few water molecules. This would say to me that in order to get much energy from the reaction one would need to excite and split large numbers of molecules. I am not certain at this time if the approach wll do that in a useful way.

I do have the answer to my question above, but it is necessary that those that have test circuits try this for themselves, the information could prove valuable.

@All
I just could not walk away without trying something else. I was interested in the usage of the series Xenon and wondered what a Xenon plasma would do and not use the pulse flashing.

Now I admit I have changed things a little, but if you want a shock wave here is how to get it. In a cylinder with a movable piston, fill the cylinder 1/2 full of water with the piston just under the surface, call it a down stroke position. With two SS wires I electrolyze some of the water, the gas stays in the water with much going against the piston. Fire your spark and all hell breaks free. Not only does the gas explode but it appears to cause a secondary reaction that splits off additional that is consumed.

Granted this does not sound good for running a conventional engine, but hey, new engine a water engine. You do not even need oil in the crankcase as water is a fine lube. Now for the best part, the plasma and or the flash can be used to preheat the water and it reacts faster and with more force.

So gentleman maybe its time to go to the lathe and milling machine, this could work, assuming you have a water supply. Oh and I was doing this on 20V@50ma, not bad.

The jury of course is still out on if this is in any way connected to some other form of trigger energy, heck if we can split water and get it to chain react in some way, why not.

Quote from: DrStiffler on July 01, 2008, 10:42:50 AM
@All
I just could not walk away without trying something else. I was interested in the usage of the series Xenon and wondered what a Xenon plasma would do and not use the pulse flashing.

Now I admit I have changed things a little, but if you want a shock wave here is how to get it. In a cylinder with a movable piston, fill the cylinder 1/2 full of water with the piston just under the surface, call it a down stroke position. With two SS wires I electrolyze some of the water, the gas stays in the water with much going against the piston. Fire your spark and all hell breaks free. Not only does the gas explode but it appears to cause a secondary reaction that splits off additional that is consumed.

Granted this does not sound good for running a conventional engine, but hey, new engine a water engine. You do not even need oil in the crankcase as water is a fine lube. Now for the best part, the plasma and or the flash can be used to preheat the water and it reacts faster and with more force.

So gentleman maybe its time to go to the lathe and milling machine, this could work, assuming you have a water supply. Oh and I was doing this on 20V@50ma, not bad.

The jury of course is still out on if this is in any way connected to some other form of trigger energy, heck if we can split water and get it to chain react in some way, why not.

DrStiffler

Just  trying to ake sure that I understand  what you are saying



Your previous  post   about connecting a  ground to me seemed to be  about  another  form of energy  being  created in another  part of the circuit  .

Now it looks like    you are saying that it there is OU here it is  in the spark .
Is it possible that the  guys that  wrote the  law of  thermodynamics  forgot  to  measure  the  energy created  by a spark in water ? 
Or did  they just assume that   the spark  would follow their  law ?

What is  your opinion on this ......Is the spark following  the law ?

gary

All have collected all the parts to determine just how much power the standard ICE puts out in one combustion  building this now using all parts from a 350 fuel injected motor installing into high pressure tank with pop off valve [at first] first tests with gas   next with LUC /OSSIE/s19  circuit[ haven't built that yet will once the test tank is working   Chet