Quote from: gotoluc on July 04, 2008, 11:09:29 AM
Hi everyone, just to let you all know I posted this reply to Super God's post at the other topic.

Luc

Hi Sg, I created the other thread because I found that water explosion could be achieved without a large capacitive discharge and that seems to be very interesting and worth looking at just that. Also please note that S1R has said his system does not use capacitors.  So, in order to not create confusion in this thread since you are using a different approach I started a new topic. At this time my updated circuit (on page one) of the topic I started uses only 1uf or 2uf depending on the inverter output.

Are you sure user jcbx6 at the waterfuel1978 group is saying his Volvo is working on water at this time?

@capacitor70 my congratulations to you in demonstrating that it is truly possible to get a ICE to run on water

Keep up this important research we will find the way to get this done one way or another.

Luc

Hi Gang,

Remember, a  inverter rectified via a 1/2 wave 110/220 V Peak output pulse has several amps of capacity @ the inverters output per cycle of output.  I'm sure it would work without the cap.......apples and oranges here.  Cap just averages/stores energy and provides more power to the spark during the burst of plasma.  Again, a lamp in series sure would help prevent overcurrent in the inverter from the plasma flow, a medieval current limiter!  A spark coil with a second winding to provide a high current AC 130 V pulse in phase with the HV output would be sort of neat!  But that's another story.

I thought the kick start motorcycle engine in that video was a 2 cycle??

Ben

Quote from: allcanadian on July 04, 2008, 10:44:29 AM
I think EV Gray used a circuit almost identical to the one posted, my understanding was that a HV source was used to produce a plasma arc across two conductors, this plasma would then conduct a large 12v current source(batteries) across the conductors. Plasma is a perfect conductor thus the HV arc was used as a means to switch a large current source on and off much like ionization does in radio tubes. Because the HV arc controls the duration time of the large current source the discharge time can be made extremely small. As well there must be two currents flowing in the conducting space, one high voltage/low amps the other low voltage/high amps which is interesting in itself. This small duration high energy impulse between the conductors was said to produce "radiant" effects that EV Gray used to power an electric motor and recharge his batteries. There is the possibility this is a very "natural" process, when we consider lightning we have always thought that the discharge is a high voltage/high current discharge. But maybe the high voltage discharge in lightning is nothing more than a conducting path for the naturally occurring potential gradient (100v/m)found in earths atmosphere--the current source.
Very interesting stuff 

Hi allcanadian, thanks for looking at this topic. I do believe there maybe more that just water explosions done with this circuit and your knowledge and experience would be an asset to the development of this.

At everyone: I am re-posting the video's that I deleted on youtube 5 days ago since many have asked to see them. The interesting thing is you would think that the spark plug would be hot after this test but it is only about body temperature. The light looks very much like the Sun and is full of UV, just look at the flashes on the wood table the spark plug is on.

Video link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zPVs_UJ-XRU

Luc

Here is the 2nd video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ba_pwxh-czc  Sorry about the quality! I'm working on trying to fix that

To achieve this kind of spark the capacitor is 3.3uf and the voltage to the circuit is about 150 volts. I tried to measure the current but I think none of my meters are giving reliable readings. The meter that worked best was my new analogue - digital and on the 10 amp scale it was showing an average of about 200ma or less.

I used my circuit below and one side of a DPDT relay trigered by a transistor which is switched  by my signal generator.

At everyone, my eyes have somewhat been affected by this but it's not so bad. But please be more cautious than me and get some heavy UV protected Sun glasses if you get to this point.

Added: I'm out for the day to make some money so I won't be available till late tonight

Luc

@ Luc, Ossie and all
In this video presented to the group here,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l54wlbi0Szk

qiman/Aaron is challenging us.
We are continuing to design/modify circuits around a basic premise that we have adopted defacto.

That is, we assume we are piggybacking a HV spark onto a LV spark as a simultaneous event to produce the plasma effect.

He clearly shows the HV spark can be separated (unless I misunderstood) and still produce the plasma effect.

Am I right about this?

Quote from: goldenequity on July 04, 2008, 12:35:14 PM
@ Luc, Ossie and all
In this video presented to the group here,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l54wlbi0Szk

qiman/Aaron is challenging us.
We are continuing to design/modify circuits around a basic premise that we have adopted defacto.

That is, we assume we are piggybacking a HV spark onto a LV spark as a simultaneous event to produce the plasma effect.

He clearly shows the HV spark can be separated and still produce plasma.

This needs to be thought through..... I agree with Ossie.... there remains much thinking and circuit experimentation to be done.
You never know...... until you find out!

Hi goldenequity, thanks for pointing this out. I'm in a hurry to go to work and will take more time to look at this later. I would like everyone's input of this video demonstration.

Luc