Quote from: qiman on July 06, 2008, 05:58:06 AM
Just a small note to see things clearly.

This has nothing to with back emf and this is not what you're using.

BACK EMF is ONLY happening when the loop is closed...Back emf is is Lenz's law...the opposing current to oppose your forward current when charging the coil with 12v or your cap.

AFTER, the input is disconnected, the field collapses and you get that "inductive spike"...that comes AFTER your forward current that has back emf opposing it.

Chronologically in sequence:

1. Charge coil and the forward charge has back emf opposing it...that IS why the forward current applied field charges so slowly.

2. Disconnect and field collapses...why does it collapse fast? There is no back emf to oppose it.

Your HV spike is a time compressed potential...you put in work and you get back potential...potential over time is watts or work and work compressed back into time is high voltage potential.

Thanks qiman ... At everyone it would be wise to listen to user name: qiman here at OU who is user name: Aaron at the Energetic Forum if you wish to understand the effect of this circuit.

I may have been blessed in finding this simple circuit but truly I am an amateur in electronics compare to him and Ossie.

Again, here is a link to Aaron's topic at the Energetic Forum: http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/2242-water-sparkplug.html 
and have a look at all of his posts here at OU: http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=profile;u=4674;sa=showPosts

He has made 2 video's explaining this effect.

Link video 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l54wlbi0Szk

Link video 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8OnvanMi-g

Many are not understanding what this circuit is doing. I have said from the beginning! ... this is not a Capacitive Discharge Circuit

Thank you Aaron and Ossie for your hard work and time in helping to explain this circuit. Without your first step in testing such a simple circuit and then sharing your experience I think this topic would not be anywhere close to where it is now.

THIS IS THE POWER OF SHARING THAT MAKES THIS POSSIBLE... IF WE ALL WORK THE SAME WAY WE WILL CHANGE THE WORLD

God bless you both.

Luc

Luc, have you spun the engine with this setup? The reason I ask is most lawn mower engines have a aluminum flywheel and when you remove the blade you remove the inertia the engine needs to crank over easily. Engines with the blade removed will start but are hard to start and kick back alot. Just a heads up in case this occurs. I'm still waiting on diodes, bought all Radio Shack had and I'm still short a few.

@ bumfuzzled
Good point......ATDC might be safe for the waste spark... depending on the "length" (duration in time) of the plasma (white) vs.normal (blue) spark.
But you wouldn't get a "back" fire (still burning fuel/air coming out of the tail pipe on the exhaust stroke).....
You'd get a "front" fire coming back up through the carburetor.  Be careful out there, should you start introducing
HHO into the intake (along with water)...... as a waste spark "front" fire will certainly test your spark arrestor / bubbler setup.

@pilot/Mike
I read through your ignition setup on the B&S 5HP and your experimenting with changing the timing before/after TDC.
I assume you are no longer relying on the magneto with your improvised setup.
If you have attached your set of points directly to the OUTPUT SHAFT .... you ALSO are creating a waste spark, i.e. 1 per revolution.
If you can devise a way to run the points off of the CAM shaft, you would then get a single spark for every 4 strokes / 2 revolutions.
Then you would be "free" to place the spark anywhere that runs best! Hats off to you. 

Quote from: provelless on July 06, 2008, 01:37:30 PM
Luc, have you spun the engine with this setup? The reason I ask is most lawn mower engines have a aluminum flywheel and when you remove the blade you remove the inertia the engine needs to crank over easily. Engines with the blade removed will start but are hard to start and kick back alot. Just a heads up in case this occurs. I'm still waiting on diodes, bought all Radio Shack had and I'm still short a few.

Thanks for your good point but I'm hoping the 10" inch pulley and belt system to the electric starting motor and the electric motor rotor itself will do the job to keep a good balance. I had read somewhere that an induction motor can be used as a generator once it is turned by another source.

I wonder if this would classify for the Overunity prize if it start the motor on water and then use the starter induction motor to outputs power

Please note that that is meant to be a joke.

Luc

At everyone,

I thank you all for your input and ideas! ... every idea has value and everyone is free to share and use the information as they wish. Please do not be discouraged if I don't reply to your post as I am really wanting to spend most of my time in the testing and development and not too much in the moderator seat. Keep your posts related to this topic and it should all work well.

I need help with 3 tasks.

Task one; can someone do up a list of Frequently Asked Questions? which I will add to the first page of this topic which we will also keep updating as we find new answers.

Task two: can someone compile all of user callanan "ossie's" (related to this topic) and do up a summery (using Ossie's words) of all the important observations he has found of this circuit. All his posts are here: http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=profile;u=840;sa=showPosts  Please include the video links in the order he is describing the effect. I will post this also at the first page of this topic to help newcomers.

Task three: the same for user: qiman  His post on OU are all here: http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=profile;u=4674;sa=showPosts
and his post on Energetic Forum are here: http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/2242-water-sparkplug.html

In order not to duplicate this work! please send me a PM or an email at: gotoluc@yahoo.com and let me know what task you are willing to do.

Your future is based on your participation at this time.

Luc