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Earth Electrical Energy Datalogging Experiments

Started by Pirate88179, July 14, 2009, 09:40:58 PM

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Pirate88179

Quote from Jeanna: "I don't understand the complication of what the true north vs magnetic north is. the compass shows magnetic north whatever it is."


This is simple really, once you picture it.  The earth's magnetic north pole is nowhere near the actual north pole, it is located somewhere in central Canada somewhere and it moves around...quite a bit actually.  Now, the ONLY time a compass will point to true polar north is if you happened to be lined up with yourself to the south and the magnetic north pole located between you and the polar north pole.  Anywhere along that line north and south, the compass will point true north.  Anywhere else on the planet, it will be wrong and sometimes waaaay wrong.

Here in KY we have about 3 degrees difference, not too much really.  Now if you were in Japan or somewhere like that, it could be about 45 degrees off.  And, get this, if you were in northern Canada, it could be 180 degrees off.  Big error there.

I can post that link again if it would help so folks can calculate the deviation and it also gives the magnetic dip angle for a given location.  That really helped my output and, it was based on research done on telluric currents by....you guessed it, the Russians.  Their work showed these current were best intercepted along the north south alignment because of their flow which has nothing to do with magnetic north but, according to them, they flow (I think I remember this right) from the south pole to the the north pole.

Bill
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IotaYodi

QuoteIf you think about what DC means.
It means directional current and the direction is one way.
In Tesla's vocabulary it meant steady current.
The earth currents are neither.
Being an electrician I know what it means. The key is still current and the earths current is still electrical in nature. It is steady,never completely subsides, regardless of the time factor or fluctuations. When the Anode should be placed on the northern meridian (North America anyway) I myself consider that highly directional. Telluric currents consist of both natural electric currents flowing within the entire earth. Plus man made electric currents. Also the presumed geo currents which is responsible for the permanent geomagnetic field may come into play.
You have a constant varying electromagnetic induction crossing the earths permanent magnetic field,including moving water,which produces their own magnetic fields which adds to the geomagnetic field. It also seems to produce a feedback on the ionosphere current system but that was proven to be negligible by Malin in 1970.
A moving electrical current will produce a magnetic field and vice versus.
What I see is that the whole earth is crisscrossed with both of them, and possibly creating scalar like waves in the process and maintaining an equilibrium of sorts. Just a guess on my part. I think someone here has stated this also.
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Its what I don't know that's a problem!

jeanna

So Bill,
You made a 3 degree shift and it made a big difference?
Mine is like 18 degrees.
So, if I am 48 degrees north, do I dig the carbon down so it is 48 degrees from the magnesium into the ground? Or do I dig the magnesium at the south end?

This must have to do with the galactic center or the plane of the solar system, or something really basic like that.

Your explanation is good. I just don't see why it would work the way it is described with the tilt the way it is. If it is lined up with magnetic north then at least it is in accord with the magnetic element, but the spin north...

So everyone take note... Do not ask me. I am not the person to ask about this!  ;D

Thanks for the explanation, Bill

jeanna

jeanna

Quote from: IotaYodi on July 17, 2009, 07:52:14 PM
Being an electrician I know what it means. The key is still current and the earths current is still electrical in nature.


A moving electrical current will produce a magnetic field and vice versus.
What I see is that the whole earth is crisscrossed with both of them, and possibly creating scalar like waves in the process and maintaining an equilibrium of sorts. Just a guess on my part. I think someone here has stated this also.

I think you just described AC or RC just what I meant.

Yes, it is certainly complicated like that whereas DC is very simplistic unidirectional.

Maybe if you were to stick a few probes in the earth you would get the feeling of what it is  we are talking about. it is an interesting thing to do.

Unless you are in an apartment building with blacktop all around you, it is also an easy thing to do... not to mention fun.

mostly fun.

Then do you have a scope? Could you add your scopeshots to ours?

jeanna

IotaYodi

QuoteMaybe if you were to stick a few probes
in the earth you would get the feeling of what it is
Already have. I live on a ranch.
What I know I know!
Its what I don't know that's a problem!