Quote from: BEP on August 11, 2009, 12:56:53 AM
Taught - didn't believe. You apply 480 to a 480/240 transformer and it puts out 240. Put 240 to the secondary and the primary outputs 480.

Charge applied to a wire creates a magnetic field. The magnetic field creates 'conventional' current flow. The magnetic field leads current flow by 45 degrees. The charge leads the magnetic field by 45 degrees.

If you want to produce 'conventional' current flow in a wire you can produce the same magnetic field around the wire that would have been produced if charge was applied to the wire - at the same speed, direction and rotation around the wire.

The hard part is knowing the correct way a magnetic field is produced by current flow.
It isn't a tube-shaped field around the wire. It is a more like a spring but it rotates with the wire at the center.

Sorry.... Been a bit busy...

BEP, I remember you stating once that your training including and additional field.  I thought that it might have also included how the magnetic field is created that drives the electrons/ions to create conventional current.

Quote from: Grumpy on August 11, 2009, 09:29:26 AM
Why don't you fake the TPU again, maybe you will learn something next time.

Losers like you can only bash others to make up for your own shortcomings. You are right up there with all the other trolls, and your buddy IST.

Keep hiding behind your empty words. 

You'll never "get it", but you sure will pretend that you have it...ROFLMFAO!!!

Your so right.....again.
Thats 3 in a row keep up the good work.

Quote from: Grumpy on August 11, 2009, 09:34:47 AM
BEP, I remember you stating once that your training including and additional field.  I thought that it might have also included how the magnetic field is created that drives the electrons/ions to create conventional current.

Yes. I think you also know I don't usually bring it up as it can start fires 

There is no doubt there is a third field (I still doubt 'field' is a proper description as 'field' is only a measurement of something, not that 'something' itself).

Folks always speak in terms of straight line movement. There is no such thing. When I mentioned 'charge' above I'm speaking of two things. Charge is normally thought of as a difference in potential. It is but it is also the spin of that potential. I think this is why a static charge can move a compass needle.

There will be no magnetic field unless charge has movement. Movement cannot happen without time.

If we want to create a usable current flow in a conductor we need to really understand things like induction. I don't believe the common book description is correct as the base theory uses itself to prove itself.

An EM wave is shown as two fields perpendicular to one another, magnetic and electric. Both are depicted and thought of as sinusoidal lines.  This wave isn't the lines. It is what is between the lines. If you can think of it this way you can see an EM sine wave is - at its base - a series of compressions and decompressions. When you have two perpendicular fields you will have angular momentum. It is well known in radio propagation that a transmitted signal always rotates.

So does current flow in a wire and the magnetic field around that wire.

There would be no rotation without a third field. Call it what you want.

There are three basic fields in nature, which manifest mathematically as gradient, divergence and curl, or; tempic, electric and magnetic.

When you understand this you should have a real understanding of why the speed of light can be varied just by the mass it travels. Lately, to the point of taking several minutes to transverse a few feet of crystal. The speed of light is constant. The overall tempic is not constant to the traveler. Only the local tempic is constant to the traveler.

We also need to understand the difference between particle velocity and group velocity. After all, the group velocity of a charge or magnetic field change can do the same as change of velocity of a charge or magnetic field.

Then you get into so-called 'left-handed' actions. This is nothing more than the group velocity being the reverse of particle or wave velocity. You have seen it when watching a fan turn. At some point the blades appear to run backwards. That is negative group velocity. Group velocity can also be far more than velocity of a particle or wave.

So there you have it. Drift current is incredibly slow. It can be mm per second while the force can be seen almost instantaneously at the other end of the wire. This is line charge.
You also have surface charge (skin-effect) and spatial charge (dielectric charge). Of the three the latter is the biggest speed demon. It will not be deterred by a magnetic field as easily as the other two.

This leads into the 'cancellation' thoughts. Total cancellation of a magnetic field is not possible, or is it? If it is then the total absence of a magnetic field means that space must be filled with spatial charge. Parametric pump perhaps?

So, yes. We need to go back to basics. But we must understand what those are.

My comments are not derailments of thought. To me it is just the way it is. The interaction of fields is the ultimate answer.

We also need to stop thinking in linear terms. A toroid is not a straight line. Circumference requires the use of pi in the math. If you want pulses on the control coils to meet those on the collectors you must use pi or they will never meet.

Sorry about the big wind. Must be the coffee 

P.S.

I see we are back to basics  Insults, name calling, etc. It is good to see things are going back to normal 

Thanks, BEP.  Great post.

bep

you rock bro

marco and grumpy get along ...... 

grumpy ... when i get moved youll eat your words ... sir!! 



im not gonna start anything ...

right now ...  my hands have been tied for some time

NOW IM A CUT SOME RUG .... 

you all know how my stuff works ... lol

you can complacate the whole thing with all the big words ...  but it all comes back to the kick ...



here is an idea for YOU ALL

if i pulse 1 pulse per min....  and it is say 1 amp at 12 vdc for simplisity i use thease numbers ...

now i cut the pulse ..  i have say 15 v returned at 1.5a ....this is hypoticatlly speeking ...

ok

now do it 10 000 times a second .......    duh ...   how hard was that ... 

so lets say i get an extra 10 watts ... in 1 pulse ....  what will the result be if i do it faster ..... 

in ordor to do it faster ... fast release times on the material is important ...  to avoid extra heating and stress on the core material ... and coils ...  feroite works well as does aircore ...

i can go on and on ....  if you like but my words fall on blind eyes .... and def ears ...

ist!

i guess its my fault ...