This guy was on coasttocoastam again last night.He set up a website to teach people about making alcohol for fuel.He is selling a book and workshops but seems to really know what hes talking about.http://www.alcoholcanbeagas.com/
The tar sands dvd were a delight because in 50 years on the subject I had never heard a lot about it and the dvd showed the progress they have made in the last 50 years.I too am stocking up on canned goods since most will last 30 years if need be.Cranberry sauce will ruin a can in a years time(personal experience).As for water if you have to you can get it from a river or stream and boil it for 15 minutes on the stove or campfire.That will kill most germs.Run it through activated charcoal to remove most chemicals.Triffid

Quote from: triffid on June 23, 2010, 09:57:04 AM
This guy was on coasttocoastam again last night.He set up a website to teach people about making alcohol for fuel.He is selling a book and workshops but seems to really know what hes talking about.http://www.alcoholcanbeagas.com/

Right.  There were plans where I lived in the Southwestern States to utilize salt-resistant plants to make alcohol and/or biodiesel.  Much cheaper and also working land that's hardly useful for anything else.

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The tar sands dvd were a delight because in 50 years on the subject I had never heard a lot about it and the dvd showed the progress they have made in the last 50 years.

Yeah, research was done on the subject.  I imagine patents were granted for unique recovery/treatment processes.  However, there's always the leftover castings.  It looks like a dead ringer for paving asphalt when it cools.  Tons and tons of the stuff laying around.  Manufacturers could use it on roads, I realize.  Why don't they?  Here's a patent:

http://www.google.com/patents?id=veFTAAAAEBAJ&printsec=abstract&zoom=4#v=onepage&q&f=false

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I too am stocking up on canned goods since most will last 30 years if need be.Cranberry sauce will ruin a can in a years time(personal experience).As for water if you have to you can get it from a river or stream and boil it for 15 minutes on the stove or campfire.

There was a rumor in the Air Force I heard that using Clorox to kill the germs in a 5 gallon water cooler bottle works pretty well.  Just add a capfull to the water in 3-4 gallons of a bottle, shake it for a minute, and then let it sit for an hour or two.  It will still taste bad, but it won't make you sick.  The germs will be dead.

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That will kill most germs.Run it through activated charcoal to remove most chemicals.Triffid

That would work, but it might be expensive?  Charcoal is common, but is leftover fire charcoal good enough in quality to purify water?

--Lee

http://www.examiner.com/a-2695960~Fed_strikes_more_cautious_tone_on_US_recovery.html
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wu67yo-3jfw

Mark my words, buy land late 2010, get out of the city your in.

fun on topic http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WphNO24h9nA