Quote from: plengo on July 16, 2011, 01:27:21 PM
My logic goes like this. Romero said this motor is a very efficient motor. The bias magnets are very important. Coils are not that powerful. They are very low inductance, resistance and very small.

@plengo,
I hope you did not take my previous post as any criticism of your work.  I only wanted some clarification of some of the things you said.

I have found time and time again on these forums that people explain things with the belief that others are already up to speed or on the same train of thought that they are.  That type of communication can lead to the "stupid" follow up questions only because of a communication misunderstanding (not because the questioner is stupid). 

That is why (unfortunately) we must be EXTREMELY specific when communicating by the written word to such a large audience.  For example (not specific to you, @plengo), you cannot reference just "magnet".  You must specify "rotor magnet" or "backing magnet" or any other magnet in your system when referring to this set up.  Without that specificity others might assume (not fault of the poster) something different and then the "information" you intended to convey unfortunately becomes "misinformation".

Back on topic:  I thought Romero said this was an efficient generator, not motor?  He said to focus on the generator output and just drive it with whatever efficient motor is available.  His setup used a pulse motor (which I understand is very efficient but less easy to tune to a specific RPM).

And I agree with your comments about the backing magnets.  They have a huge and amazing effect.  But I do not remember anything abut the coils being low inductance?  I thought they would be high inductance due to the ferrite cores. 

And again I agree that the coils he used should be as low resistance as possible.  Or maybe the correct resistance to cause a "phase lock" with the load?  This I am investigating now.

M.

As far as unusual winding methods, multi-filar windings, etc. are concerned, here is my opinion (just my opinion fwiw):  I saw no evidence of any of that in the videos or subsequent "analysis" of those videos.

Also, if you look at Romero's own forum you can clearly see his latest build.  It appears to be a very similar design to the R-ZPEC he exhibited here.  But it is much larger.  And it appears to me (from Romero's posted pictures) to have monofilar coil windings (of a larger diameter single strand wire than used on the unit he presented here).

Just mho.

M.

Quote from: mondrasek on July 16, 2011, 03:00:01 PM
@plengo,
I hope you did not take my previous post as any criticism of your work.  I only wanted some clarification of some of the things you said.

I have found time and time again on these forums that people explain things with the belief that others are already up to speed or on the same train of thought that they are.  That type of communication can lead to the "stupid" follow up questions only because of a communication misunderstanding (not because the questioner is stupid). 

That is why (unfortunately) we must be EXTREMELY specific when communicating by the written word to such a large audience.  For example (not specific to you, @plengo), you cannot reference just "magnet".  You must specify "rotor magnet" or "backing magnet" or any other magnet in your system when referring to this set up.  Without that specificity others might assume (not fault of the poster) something different and then the "information" you intended to convey unfortunately becomes "misinformation".

Back on topic:  I thought Romero said this was an efficient generator, not motor?  He said to focus on the generator output and just drive it with whatever efficient motor is available.  His setup used a pulse motor (which I understand is very efficient but less easy to tune to a specific RPM).

And I agree with your comments about the backing magnets.  They have a huge and amazing effect.  But I do not remember anything abut the coils being low inductance?  I thought they would be high inductance due to the ferrite cores. 

And again I agree that the coils he used should be as low resistance as possible.  Or maybe the correct resistance to cause a "phase lock" with the load?  This I am investigating now.

M.

No problem. Your questions were taken with love my friend. I understand your concerns and you are right. I do mean "bias magnets" on my previous posts and do mean "generator" not motor. Thanks for the clarification.

I can see very easily why Romero said it would be impossible to tell people about this motor. It is impossible. I made a video where It took me a while to get to the max speed I ever achieved with this setup without load and with pretty much the same speed with load.

As I was doing the video my motor broke . Oh boy. Have to start again.

I had it to a point where it was running at 900+ rpm with load on 50+ma and 5volts on the lamp.  One little bias magnet in the end was all that it took to "let it free" and get the load to light without affecting the motor (or let's say, it only lost about 200 rpm). So I removed the load, speed went up to 1140rpm and I decided to make a video showing that. Unfortunately as I was doing the video I could not make it stop at 900+rpm as I did. This is one of the things that makes impossible to explain this motor.

IF YOU HAVE IT STABLE WITH LOAD, do not remove the load. It will speed up and when you put the load back it will bounce down and slowly get back up in speed again. Very "vegetative" in nature this motor.

Also hands on top of the motor affects the output tremendously. I don't know why. There is an interesting thing about the bias magnets. They somehow allow the motor to take the energy out without affecting the speed. It is TOTALLY DEPENDENT ON THE LOAD.

I know that because, as I test the motor I start it with its max RPM and no bias magnets. Around 400rpm. Load is on all the time. I take a bias magnet and start positioning it to the stator on the top of the motor. I watch the amp meter until I find a optimal increase in amperage. I leave the magnet there.

Get another bias magnet and start again, watching the meter. By now speed increase to 500 rpm and also the output current. Another 10 minutes later I have a new speed, same input power and higher output: 600rpm and 30ma and so forth.

After 5, 8, 10 bias magnets later (as many as I can until maximum speed) I get it running at 900+ rpm and maximum load output power. That for me tells me everything about this motor that I should know.

ONE can balance it with bias magnets until the output is pretty much the maximum you can take for the same input power and still higher RPM. All this with only 2 coil pairs. Imagine when I turn on ALL 19 coils???!!!!!

It will be a nightmare to tune this all over again for all the coils being on.

Fausto.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MNxopfbjCDI&NR=1

My friend jorge has now a running Muller using coils based on my Starship coil invention. I am building the same unit but much larger in size under contract but I am not allowed to post anything on the project. You can see jorge at the upcoming TeslaTech Expo in late July.

Richard
HHOforVOLTS

Quote from: plengo on July 16, 2011, 03:28:58 PM
Also hands on top of the motor affects the output tremendously. I don't know why. There is an interesting thing about the bias magnets. They somehow allow the motor to take the energy out without affecting the speed. It is TOTALLY DEPENDENT ON THE LOAD.

By placing your hand on the unit you are changing the resonant frequency and are probably dampening acoustic vibrations.

These "vibrations" are also of great interest to me.  If you read the postulations of Turtur here: http://philica.com/display_article.php?article_id=219 you can see that a "resonant frequency" is necessary to effectively plug into the ZPE by this (and Turtur's conceived) method.  So vibrations are part of the "phase lock" into ZPE.

What does that mean in layman's terms?  Shit starts to vibrate.  Violently.  And the violence would be proportionate to the amount of ZPE being drawn into the system (or some relation anyway).

With our mechanical builds, is allowing the mechanical vibrations (flexing) good, or do they decrease the performance?  @plengo, as you said, placing your hand on the top of your setup helps, or hurts performance?  If it helps I would assume you are dampening the vibrations caused by the BEMF that is occurring when your coil voltage tensor is required to provide "amps" to your load (right @bolt?).

When your coil/rotor mag combo induces enough voltage to overcome the FWBR voltage plus V already in the dump cap, it finally "sees the load."  When a voltage "sees" a load, it MUST provide current.

Since the conventional electric current (I) direction of our coils are opposing each other in each pair (series, bucking), no conventional current can flow.  But I repeat: When a voltage "sees" a load, it MUST provide current.

And since the R-ZPEC configuration cannot provide a classical electromagnetic theory based current (due to the bucking coil config) it MUST provide a current from another source. 

A totally reactive situation?  Or pulling AMPS from ZPE?

Either way, placing your hand on the unit would dampen the acoustic vibrations that this system generates (noise!).  So if it improves your system performance I would assume that a more ridged system would transfer more ZPE power.

FYI, Romero's current build shows his coils between two thin plastic plates.  When asked why he would use such thin material he answered that they were just forms.  That means they are the outside walls of a mold.  He plans to pour some type of resin into that mold to make his new device very ridged.

M.