poynt99:  I copied your name wrong, sorry, I am a newbe, did not mean to be disrespectful.

Quote from: Loner on December 10, 2011, 02:29:13 AM
I have to throw this in, and I am NOT putting down Rossi, nor am I trying to prove anything, just stating a couple facts.

1)  The name of this forum IS Overunity.com, which, I assume, is what we are all looking for here.  By that I mean "Overunity" devices.  Once the "Source" of the power is ascertained, the device is no longer overunity.  (Shoot, Heat Pumps could be said to have COP > 4 for junk units....)

I think over unity is defined as more energy dissipated than delivered.  That's definitely NOT within the standard model - not anywhere.  Not even in heat pumps. 

Quote from: Loner on December 10, 2011, 02:29:13 AM2)  This setup, called a "Free Energy Device" in the title, while VERY economical, if the claims are to be believed, it seems that I would have to describe it as a Standard LENR or Fusion Device.  (I'm not going to get into a discussion on what it is or isn't, just the basic concept...)

Not sure about this Loner.  There's NOTHING standard about LENR or Cold Fusion.  In fact they've not yet managed the explanation.

Quote from: Loner on December 10, 2011, 02:29:13 AMEITHER way, it is a "Standard" device, just very efficient and a fantastic thing.  The simple fact that it could change the world has no application here.

Again.  Nothing 'STANDARD' about this device at all.  The least standard quality being that it would INDEED change the world.  I'm not sure you can diminish this as readily as you're proposing.  Unless you can - perhaps, give us an explanation of LENR.  It's eluded the experts - thus far.

Quote from: Loner on December 10, 2011, 02:29:13 AM3) If you have read 1 and 2, you already know what I am about to say.  It is not an overunity device, just a fantastic application of some form of nuclear reaction, which puts it into classical devices, and not overunity devices.

Again.  If it's some form of nuclear reaction then it needs to be defined.

Quote from: Loner on December 10, 2011, 02:29:13 AMI am assuming that is the reason that more haven't commented on it, as I could make 100's of remarks, some very technical, but that type of thing is not why I am here.

This is a pity Loner.  I think even our boffins would be glad of your 'hundreds' of remarks.  They're busy scratching their heads.  Perhaps you could help them out. 

Quote from: Loner on December 10, 2011, 02:29:13 AM
So, not to sound like a complete moron, while I really appreciate the information here, and am a little surprised by the Poynt99 post, I cannot offer anything of value, including opinion, on nuke reactions in an Overunity Forum.  Having said that, PLEASE keep posting the info as I enjoy keeping up with the news here, and cross referencing to other news.  Just reading the NASA FOIA pdfs, and seeing Rossi acknowledged there, certainly allowed me to give a little more credence to the fantastic work that he has done.

Indeed.  It's all good.

Quote from: Loner on December 10, 2011, 02:29:13 AMAll in All, very interesting, and I hope very successful, but still not overunity.  (Nasty, aren't I?)

No.  Not nasty.  Just misinformed.

Quote from: Loner on December 10, 2011, 02:29:13 AM(Just for Perspective, Matter to energy conversion would not be overunity to me either.....)

Nor is it.  You'd be right on the money here Loner.

Regards,
Rosemary

Article about Rossi in a German newspaper:

http://www.spiegel.de/wissenschaft/technik/0,1518,801836,00.html

Quote from: Loner on December 10, 2011, 02:29:13 AM
I have to throw this in, and I am NOT putting down Rossi, nor am I trying to prove anything, just stating a couple facts.

1)  The name of this forum IS Overunity.com, which, I assume, is what we are all looking for here.  By that I mean "Overunity" devices.  Once the "Source" of the power is ascertained, the device is no longer overunity.  (Shoot, Heat Pumps could be said to have COP > 4 for junk units....)

2)  This setup, called a "Free Energy Device" in the title, while VERY economical, if the claims are to be believed, it seems that I would have to describe it as a Standard LENR or Fusion Device.  (I'm not going to get into a discussion on what it is or isn't, just the basic concept...)  EITHER way, it is a "Standard" device, just very efficient and a fantastic thing.  The simple fact that it could change the world has no application here.

3) If you have read 1 and 2, you already know what I am about to say.  It is not an overunity device, just a fantastic application of some form of nuclear reaction, which puts it into classical devices, and not overunity devices.  I am assuming that is the reason that more haven't commented on it, as I could make 100's of remarks, some very technical, but that type of thing is not why I am here.  This does NOT mean I don't think it's GREAT.  I also admit freely that I read EVERY post on it, as well as quite a few other sources of information.  (OK, I happen to live near the "Customer", but whatever....   Again, this is NOT why I am here, at this forum.)

So, not to sound like a complete moron, while I really appreciate the information here, and am a little surprised by the Poynt99 post, I cannot offer anything of value, including opinion, on nuke reactions in an Overunity Forum.  Having said that, PLEASE keep posting the info as I enjoy keeping up with the news here, and cross referencing to other news.  Just reading the NASA FOIA pdfs, and seeing Rossi acknowledged there, certainly allowed me to give a little more credence to the fantastic work that he has done. 

All in All, very interesting, and I hope very successful, but still not overunity.  (Nasty, aren't I?)

(Just for Perspective, Matter to energy conversion would not be overunity to me either.....)

@Loner:
I appreciate your candor and frankness in your well thought out post and if it was not well thought out in advance, then you are a greater mental giant than I had originally thought (because I have always believed you to be extremely intelligent).

Having said that, I do feel that I have to interject some of my own opinions in response to it as I beg to differ on certain parts of your post.

You state that “This setup, called a "Free Energy Device" in the title, while VERY economical, if the claims are to be believed, it seems that I would have to describe it as a Standard LENR or Fusion Device.  (I'm not going to get into a discussion on what it is or isn't, just the basic concept...)  EITHER way, it is a "Standard" device, just very efficient and a fantastic thing.  The simple fact that it could change the world has no application here.”

Based on your overall assessment, it is NOT a free energy device in spite of the fact that it produces many times over the amount of energy that was put in at the start.  Now based on your own criteria, then Stanley Meyer’s water fuel cell is NOT a free energy device either because it requires a fuel (water) that must be replenished (just as Rossi’s requires more Nickel over time) and so based on your own standards set forth, Stanley Meyer’s work “… has no application here.” (As you put it regarding Rossi’s technology).

Then there are all of the other motors and so forth that require metal or plastic in their construction which needs to be purchased.  These are not "FREE" energy devices either because you have to pay money for the device before you can get any energy from them.  Also, semiconductors wear out, bearings wear out and other moving parts as well and so although they may be very economical, they produce energy at a cost.

And finally, after having stated all of this, there are other threads, such as “I See an Economic Disaster Coming” that has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING AT ALL to do with over unity whatsoever, however, it is here and it is more popular than most “over unity” threads here including mine.  So if that thread is justified, then I think that this thread has just a teeny tiny bit of relevance on an “over unity” forum.


Respectfully,

Chess

Quote from: chessnyt on December 10, 2011, 08:07:26 PM

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And finally, after having stated all of this, there are other threads, such as “I See an Economic Disaster Coming” that has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING AT ALL to do with over unity whatsoever, however, it is here and it is more popular than most “over unity” threads here including mine.  So if that thread is justified, then I think that this thread has just a teeny tiny bit of relevance on an “over unity” forum.


Respectfully,

Chess

Very well said Chess.