MileHigh


I understand your point of view that there is no proof from Rossi, but I just look at it like this, Cold fusion in general is real and has been proven to exist, Hot fusion is real and has been proven to exist. Hot fusion has been in the works for over 50 years and no one has ever claimed to be going into production building a useful hot fusion reactor. Cold fusion is new and already there are a few companies claiming to be building a useful cold fusion reactor to market.
I put my name on the list early on because I knew that if this works it will soon catch on quickly and with production of a million a year, the waiting list will be several years long even before it is fully verified as working. So while you wait for proof of the magic, I am standing in line already.
I have read all the info I could find, I have weighed the skeptics, I have weighed the merits, and because it costs me nothing to stand in line I'm there.
You can continue to wait for proof, but you can bet when the proof comes out your time to get in line will be past. Everyone makes choices based on what they know and if you read things you will know also. Transmutation of elements thought to be impossible? Something I read several years ago even before the E-Cat. You know that old LPS yard light you have running and may have replaced the bulb in a few times? Well it was discovered that after those things ran for several years, they have found small traces of gold in them that was never there when they were new!
The magic is there and I'll report back to you on how well it works.

Lumen,

your point of view is shared by many of us and expresses well the logic behind our choice to give Andrea Rossi our trust.
There are actually some fully valid scientific test runs performed by several independent particle physiscists, which I hope
will give our friend MileHigh some increase in his halting optimism.



MileHigh,

I have in addition to the links from the Swedish magazine Ny Teknik (English version)
added three reports as pdf-files below for you to read and evaluate.


Since all of them emphazises the anomalous heat production observed for hours in self sustain mode,
which in itself is enough proof that something strange is happening here,  I consider the reports as highly
interesting, but these evident signs of unexplained heat production wasn't all that puzzled the scientists,
there was also reported sharp increases in heat production a couple of hours efter unplugging all power sources.


I doubt that your scrutiny will exceed these particle physiscists in rigorusness and proffessional competence,
but I am unfortunately still quite sure that your sceptical mindset wont let you move over to us that easy.

 
But to be expressing criticism the way you do is absolutely welcome, and is expressing intelligens in contrast
to those who seem to have only one mission on this thread and that is to discredit Andrea Rossi unconditionally.


Below are links to articles of interest. (contains various links to test reports)

Here´s for example an excert from the third link below by Jed Rothwell, who has followed the area LENR for many years :

“The test produced irrefutable proof of anomalous energy production, in several different ways.
After input power was turned off, not only did it remain hot for 4 hours, it twice sharply increased in temperature.
This is first-principle proof that large amounts of energy were being generated inside the reactor.”

http://www.nyteknik.se/nyheter/energi_miljo/energi/article3144827.ece

http://www.nyteknik.se/nyheter/energi_miljo/energi/article3108242.ece

http://www.nyteknik.se/nyheter/energi_miljo/energi/article3295411.ece

Gwandau


I have added the spread sheet relating to the Test of the E-cat October 6  2011.
It is attached as a pdf, since the original xlsx-file was not allowed here.

Quote from: MileHigh on April 06, 2012, 01:05:10 PM
The car, lawnmower, and furnace that are talking about are just hypothetical, they don't exist. 

@MileHigh:
The scam you accuse Andrea Rossi of running is completely hypothetical too so why is it okay for you to use hypotheticals without ANY proof whatsoever and others are held to a higher standard?


Chess

@Everyone:
Here are some additional quotes from the interview Rossi granted to Oilprice.com on March 29, 2012:

Oilprice.com: As of yet you have not let anyone study the intricate mechanisms inside of your machine stating the fact that the patents have still not been approved. This lack of transparency has resulted in a great deal of criticism. Once you have received the patent will you reveal more detailed information on the E-Cat?

Andrea Rossi: Yes

Oilprice.com: It almost seems as if you’re downplaying the role that LENR could play in providing cheap abundant energy for the world, by only developing relatively small units. Do you not believe that your LENR machine could truly solve a lot of the world’s energy problems? Do you plan to build much larger units of 10s-100s of megawatts, or is that not possible?

Andrea Rossi: We are already developing 1 MW plants, and it will be easy to link these plants together to make larger power plants. Due to the compact scale, and efficient energy production process, an E-Cat power plant will be much smaller than its fossil fuel or nuclear equivalent.

Oilprice.com: You mentioned linking 1MW plants together to make larger power plants. How would this work? What would the cost be?

Andrea Rossi: The 1MW units can be assembled at a reduced size of 10ft x 8ft x 8ft, and can then be stacked in series or parallel to produce the necessary power. It will cost 1,000 $/KW.

Oilprice.com: Have there been any recent developments you are able to share with us?

Andrea Rossi: We are very close to completing a 1MW plant in the US which will soon be opened to the public.

Oilprice.com: How many 1 MW plants have you currently made and sold?

Andrea Rossi: One 1 MW plant has been made and 13 are under construction. We would like to consolidate the first 14 before expanding. The oak must grow proportionally to the roots, otherwise hostile winds will sweep everything away.

Oilprice.com: Where did you receive the initial financing from to test and develop the E-Cat?

Andrea Rossi: I financed the development myself.


Enjoy 

Chess

Quote from: chessnyt on April 07, 2012, 12:24:48 AM
@Everyone:
Here are some additional quotes from the interview Rossi granted to Oilprice.com on March 29, 2012:

Oilprice.com: As of yet you have not let anyone study the intricate mechanisms inside of your machine stating the fact that the patents have still not been approved. This lack of transparency has resulted in a great deal of criticism. Once you have received the patent will you reveal more detailed information on the E-Cat?

Andrea Rossi: Yes

Oilprice.com: It almost seems as if you’re downplaying the role that LENR could play in providing cheap abundant energy for the world, by only developing relatively small units. Do you not believe that your LENR machine could truly solve a lot of the world’s energy problems? Do you plan to build much larger units of 10s-100s of megawatts, or is that not possible?

Andrea Rossi: We are already developing 1 MW plants, and it will be easy to link these plants together to make larger power plants. Due to the compact scale, and efficient energy production process, an E-Cat power plant will be much smaller than its fossil fuel or nuclear equivalent.

Oilprice.com: You mentioned linking 1MW plants together to make larger power plants. How would this work? What would the cost be?

Andrea Rossi: The 1MW units can be assembled at a reduced size of 10ft x 8ft x 8ft, and can then be stacked in series or parallel to produce the necessary power. It will cost 1,000 $/KW.

Oilprice.com: Have there been any recent developments you are able to share with us?

Andrea Rossi: We are very close to completing a 1MW plant in the US which will soon be opened to the public.

Oilprice.com: How many 1 MW plants have you currently made and sold?

Andrea Rossi: One 1 MW plant has been made and 13 are under construction. We would like to consolidate the first 14 before expanding. The oak must grow proportionally to the roots, otherwise hostile winds will sweep everything away.

Oilprice.com: Where did you receive the initial financing from to test and develop the E-Cat?

Andrea Rossi: I financed the development myself.


Enjoy 

Chess

Hi Chess,

Many thanks for the update.  It's getting better and better.  A new plant - soon to be opened?  It's all good. Really really good.  And I love Rossi's analogy to the 'old oak' needing the support of good rooting.  I also love the idea that we can series those generators to get whatever output required.  It'll be interesting if he EVER manages to keep pace with market demand once he gets going.  I think we're looking to the certain demise of nuclear power plants.  There is NOTHING more welcome than that - that I know of.

Kindest regards, and thanks also to Gwandau too for his excellent and extremely patient and persuasive posts.

Rosemary