Quote from: MileHigh on April 15, 2012, 08:33:52 PM
This is from the Wikipedia entry on the Energy Catalyzer:

That Coulomb barrier is what I referred to a few days ago where I said that the hydrogen nucleus and the nickel nucleus have to heading towards each other with unbelievably high speed to overcome the electrostatic repulsion. 

Note what they state:  "In particular, the Coulomb barrier for the claimed fusion reaction is so high that it is unsurpassable anywhere in the known universe, including the interior of stars."

Myself as a lay person, and many other nuclear scientists, don't believe that there is some "other way" to work around this fundamental problem.  If the whole thing "blows up" and two years from now Rossi and Defkalion are disgraced names that are no better than Mylow, it will be because of the Coulomb barrier.

This one just for Rosie Posie:  "The reaction also would create gamma radiation that would penetrate the few inches of shielding apparently provided by the E-Cat, leading to acute radiation syndrome in persons involved in the demonstrations."

So it seems to me we are left with an unexplainable mess.  So it should be pretty exciting to see what happens in the future.  It's not nearly a neat and clean a "slam-dunk" that some of the posters around here would like you to believe.

It's the old cliche, it will either be a bunch of disgraced con artists or the Dawn of the Age of Aquarius.

MileHigh

MileHigh:

The known mathematics do prove a cold fusion reaction is impossible and I fully understand this, but in light of several other known facts, only a fool would throw away the possibility that some other interactions may achieve this at some lower energy level.
There is even a bacteria that achieves this impossible action and I don't believe it uses a particle accelerator either, also the additional heat emitted from the earth being more than that received indicates some other process is involved and some of the same scientists believe it is nickle fusion in the earths mantel causing additional heat, and also the transmutation of other elements in plasma conditions has been known for many years.

Don't make me tell you that I am also possibly more than qualified to do a safety inspection of a cold fusion device merely on my own ability. I have been a machinist for over 15 years so I know metal working, I have been a mechanical engineer for almost 20 years so I know design, I do digital electronic design and radio transmitter building for a hobby along with CNC servo building and software programming in C and 80386 assembler and have always repair everything myself that fails, furnace, refrigerator, air conditioner, autos, even my kids toys! (I have my own CNC machines)

I am telling you this not to impress you because I'm not into that, but to show how far off you are on your hunches or gut feeling. Know the facts and you will have some better insight. I am waiting for Rossi to get this on the market soon, so I don't have to build one myself! Reading the latest that there is no catalyst used, that it is only a matter of the hydrogen loading process, only makes it harder for me to resist building my own!

Sorry Rose, I do agree with MileHigh on the gamma ray discussion, they are simply X-rays of higher energy. When Rossi says Gamma rays of <500kev, he is thinking high energy x-rays that can be easily stopped by a few MM of lead and not those with energies of a several mev.

Quote from: chessnyt on April 16, 2012, 12:02:34 AM

@firlight:

Yes, this is very good news and it lays out Rossi's business and production plans very nicely.

Personally, I predict the E-Cat home unit will make it to market first followed by Defkalion and then finally, Brillouin Energy.  There is no chance of a monopoly by ANY of the three (and others in the wings) competitors with the exception of Rossi's company which will be the sole provider of LENR products to the public until the others enter the market shortly thereafter.

Thanks for the update, Dave.


Cheers,

Chess

I  hope so Chess.  And more to the point - there would be no need for Rossi to monopolise anything at all - provided that he gets his patents approved.  Which hopefully will eventually come to pass.  That's more critical - in my book - than the licensing.  Which I trust is just standard procedure?  Again.  I hope so. 

Kindest regards,
Rosie

Quote from: lumen on April 16, 2012, 12:20:22 AM
MileHigh:

The known mathematics do prove a cold fusion reaction is impossible and I fully understand this, but in light of several other known facts, only a fool would throw away the possibility that some other interactions may achieve this at some lower energy level.
There is even a bacteria that achieves this impossible action and I don't believe it uses a particle accelerator either, also the additional heat emitted from the earth being more than that received indicates some other process is involved and some of the same scientists believe it is nickle fusion in the earths mantel causing additional heat, and also the transmutation of other elements in plasma conditions has been known for many years.

Don't make me tell you that I am also possibly more than qualified to do a safety inspection of a cold fusion device merely on my own ability. I have been a machinist for over 15 years so I know metal working, I have been a mechanical engineer for almost 20 years so I know design, I do digital electronic design and radio transmitter building for a hobby along with CNC servo building and software programming in C and 80386 assembler and have always repair everything myself that fails, furnace, refrigerator, air conditioner, autos, even my kids toys! (I have my own CNC machines)

I am telling you this not to impress you because I'm not into that, but to show how far off you are on your hunches or gut feeling. Know the facts and you will have some better insight. I am waiting for Rossi to get this on the market soon, so I don't have to build one myself! Reading the latest that there is no catalyst used, that it is only a matter of the hydrogen loading process, only makes it harder for me to resist building my own!

Sorry Rose, I do agree with MileHigh on the gamma ray discussion, they are simply X-rays of higher energy. When Rossi says Gamma rays of <500kev, he is thinking high energy x-rays that can be easily stopped by a few MM of lead and not those with energies of a several mev.

Hi Lumen,

I hope you do build your own E-cat.  That's much more important than whether you or I are right or wrong about gamma ray emissions.  But I'm not pretending to authority about this.  I am referring to the explicit results that came from his first demonstration of this device.  And the level of emission was absolutely less than gamma emission.

In any event.  Very nice to see the level of engagement - and very nice to see that you as well as Chess and others can build this.  Because I've got a hunch that we'll be relying on this more than you realise.  It's the fall back - if anyone actually manages to halt Rossi or if Defkalion become the sole players.  But as Chess has shown - there are likely to be many more than just the two or three that are showing up at the moment.  I do hope so.  Because that's really our only security blanket.  We need market competition.  And lots of it.  Then - as TK puts it 'bring it on'.  Because that way we'll have all the protection we need. 

Kindest regards,
Rosie

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And Lumen, BTW - I'm not sure about what 'secret sauce' Rossi uses.  I also wondered if there was anything that was undisclosed.  I hope you're right and that there's nothing hidden.  Because then it will be more easily replicable.  But we're still left with some explaining to do related to cold fusion itself.  And no matter how big those sums or how complicated - there's unequivocal evidence of the transmutation of elements.  And that is not happening at high energies - and it is not emitting gamma radiation.  Which is a good thing - in my book.

Rosemary:

QuoteIF this is what they're claiming then they are wrong.  Because in the process of creating our manifold elements in the periodic table - then some energy must have been available from the known universe - or we would not have that variety and number of atoms.

Nickel is created in exploding stars.  That's the only place that packs enough of a wallop to create nickel.

Lumen:

I seriously doubt that you would be qualified to build your own E-Cat.  You are just in reality disconnect mode.  It would probably take at least 20 man-years of engineering work to make a "home E-Cat."  I don't know how you can't see that based on your qualifications.

Anyway, I an prepared to wait now.  The bulk of what I wanted to say has been stated.  As far as I am concerned both of you are fantasizing in technicolour if you think that some "trick" can give you a work-around for the Coulomb law energy barrier that has to be overcome.  And yes Rosemary, it has everything to do with velocity.  You can imagine a stationary nickel nucleus and a hydrogen nucleus is fired out of an imaginary gun at high velocity and hits the nickel nucleus at high speed.  The insurmountable problem is the giant electrostatic springs of repulsion that have to overcome.  The springs are so strong that normally it takes the pressures and velocities inside an exploding star to overcome them.  But perhaps this all just fog for you and you can't visualize it.

It will be a miracle if this stuff actually works.  So we just have a few months to wait....  But you guys know the prediction.  It is so predictable that it's almost not even worth mentioning.  The release will be delayed.  Oooooh.   Then it will get delayed again.  Ooooh.

Let's see what happens!

MileHigh

Quote from: lumen on April 16, 2012, 12:20:22 AM
MileHigh:

The known mathematics do prove a cold fusion reaction is impossible and I fully understand this, but in light of several other known facts, only a fool would throw away the possibility that some other interactions may achieve this at some lower energy level.
There is even a bacteria that achieves this impossible action and I don't believe it uses a particle accelerator either, also the additional heat emitted from the earth being more than that received indicates some other process is involved and some of the same scientists believe it is nickle fusion in the earths mantel causing additional heat, and also the transmutation of other elements in plasma conditions has been known for many years.

Don't make me tell you that I am also possibly more than qualified to do a safety inspection of a cold fusion device merely on my own ability. I have been a machinist for over 15 years so I know metal working, I have been a mechanical engineer for almost 20 years so I know design, I do digital electronic design and radio transmitter building for a hobby along with CNC servo building and software programming in C and 80386 assembler and have always repair everything myself that fails, furnace, refrigerator, air conditioner, autos, even my kids toys! (I have my own CNC machines)

I am telling you this not to impress you because I'm not into that, but to show how far off you are on your hunches or gut feeling. Know the facts and you will have some better insight. I am waiting for Rossi to get this on the market soon, so I don't have to build one myself! Reading the latest that there is no catalyst used, that it is only a matter of the hydrogen loading process, only makes it harder for me to resist building my own!

Sorry Rose, I do agree with MileHigh on the gamma ray discussion, they are simply X-rays of higher energy. When Rossi says Gamma rays of <500kev, he is thinking high energy x-rays that can be easily stopped by a few MM of lead and not those with energies of a several mev.

Hi Lumen
            You seem qualified to build a E-cat ,dont`t think MileHigh could, not taken enough Acid
he is just on a Ego Trip.Am getting a bit long in the tooth myself being a OAP but still think I could
knock one together its pretty simple stuff compared with what I use to work on.
If you do go ahead maybe we could exchange info.
Regards Dave