Jim,

If  Mr. Wayne's device can work, and the energy gain is from buoyancy, that means the prime mover is gravity I believe.  Now gravity is understood to be a Conservative Field of Force (like that of a magnet) and therefor thought to be unable to do work.  If this is untrue, and gravity *can* do work, then Bessler's wheel would also have to be reconsidered by many as a possibility.

I wish you the best of luck in figuring out how Bessler did it!  I really want to know.

Thanks,

M.

Quote from: mondrasek on June 05, 2012, 01:28:26 PM
@mrwayne,

What are the benefits of moving the water between the two ZEDs vs. moving the air to cycle the buoyancy force back and forth?

Thanks,

M.

Very good Question - To create our buoyancy - we essentially raise the water level (increase the head) - at the same time the other side is lowering - the output force from the floating Zed is converted to Hydraulic production - which in a three layer system is barely over unity (regarding the up stroke).
Now the raised head is still in the Zed after the hydraulic fluid is captured.
The energy stored in that head is transfered directly to the other Zed - That energy subtracts from the input cost of the upstroke - guess how much?
In cycle - it happens each direction - or twice a stroke.
Wayne

  M
As you said, if.
With Bessler, it is about recognizing what someooe has done.

Jim

Quote from: johnny874 on June 05, 2012, 01:28:07 PM

  M.,
Out of respect for you and Mr. Travis, I am going to quit following this thread after I point out one incorrect assumption in your previous post.
When B+C+D have a greater effect than A, energy is being lost. This is because the weight (110?) is trying to compress a hydraulic cylinder. Instead, it is lifting a column of water that does not perform work.
In the patent application, section no. 88, Mr. Wayne states that the static heads need to be recharged with air. I would have to believe this is the reason for the compression of the hydraulic cylinder occuring, not because of any effect.
The reality is that A would seek a balance with B+C+D dependent on their respective air pressure. The water columns would adjust accordingly.

Hello Johnny,
Thanks for being respectful.

What you are refering to as a Hydraulic cylinder is an inlet tube.

What you are refering to as a weight is a empty bowl.

Sorry - patent drawings are not clear.

Section 88 as refered to - is for shut down and venting of pressures and lock out - as it follows, returning from a lockout tagout scenerio - the system would need reset, recharged.
This is not the case during run -  just during a maintnence type shut down - as with any energy isolating and removing condition.
Wayne

Quote from: webby1 on June 05, 2012, 03:24:05 PM
Tongue in cheek question:

How much buoyancy can you get from a cup when the water is on the inside?

None

How do you move the water from the inside to the outside?

Air pressure

Actually webby,
The "Travis Effect" works up side down as well - let me explain.
If you attached the inner displacment (like the concrete that Tom showed) to the ceiling (rigid) and then placed a cup around the block (right side up) and then placed a scale under the cup - and filled the gap between the block and the cup with water - instead of Air - the down ward force is equal to the total mass from the top of the water level to the bottom of the cup.
The force pushing down on the cup is equal to the head pressure x the surface area -
The mass (block) suspendid from the ceiling acts as a mass discplacement -
Fun fact.

Wayne