Quote from: TinselKoala on August 29, 2012, 01:25:14 AM
Well, Artist-Guy, if you want to criticise me you should at least get your facts right. I don't "represent" anybody here except myself. What is true is that if you convince me, and if I can convince some other people that I know.... not represent...... your little tabletop perpetual water pump based on a 5-layer Zed system will be worth a lot more than ten thousand dollars. But the fact that there is no granted patent...... just wound up making me look bad in the first instance, since I took the word of people that there WAS a patent and passed that.... now known to be bogus.... information down the line. Bad form for me, not checking facts thoroughly.
And now it seems that a lot of other stuff that I believed, initially, because I was told..... also isn't ...er.... ah..... exactly corresponding with reality.
No continuous runner. Not even overnight. Maybe not even four hours. No patent. No working scale model.

Was that multi million dollar deal something that Wayne was interested in?
I must have missed it if there was a possible deal as you suggest. Unless its all just coming out now.


MaGs

Quote from: TinselKoala on August 29, 2012, 01:25:14 AM


Me.... I'm phoning some "friends of ours" and getting a million bux for it right away, and a billion by the beginning of 2013. If the MIBs from Big Oil don't assassinate me first. Mr Wayne can sue my estate for infringement.

Well why would your friends give you a million dollars if you dont have a patent? ;]

Would they just hand over the cash for the table top teeter totter without hesitation?

Maybe if they are that good of friends, they might just give you a million, just to be friendly. ;]  Then step up to billions in 2013, because they simply love you. lol. ;]

No patent and your swingin by a thread just like anyone else.

And wouldnt this thread be sort of dated proof that you intended to steal the idea?

Cmon T, whats the big deal? The guy has a way that he wants to do things, and he has every right. Patent pending is a substantial thing to have. It means you were there first. Its got teeth. And patenting these days, its who comes first. And dats it. ;]

Wrote my own provisional. $75.   Know a lil bit. ;]

MaGs

MaGs

Quote from: seamus103 on August 29, 2012, 01:17:18 AM
So, just what is it about the nature of gravity that you are missing?..  Objects with mass have gravitational potential energy related to their position relative to other masses. Move an object 'up' against gravity and it gains potential. Move it 'down' and it loses potential. The amount of work required to move the object 'up' is always the same or more than can be recovered by letting the object return to the original position.

There are no exceptions to this rule, no matter how smart a system of 'levers and fulcrums' you might devise.

Is that still true when you have a bubble of "preload" extra kick being shuffled about? And buoyancy helping the lift with weird displaced virtual mass going on (maybe?)? Probably. But nobody knows. Maybe that we still don't is on purpose. Don't know. Maybe it's all been for the local 'journey' that Mark mentioned. Don't know.


As I said, history is on the side of the skeptics. By the time your screen name is Seamus105, I am sure it all will have been settled. 

Quote from: TinselKoala on August 29, 2012, 01:25:14 AM
Well, Artist-Guy, if you want to criticise me you should at least get your facts right. I don't "represent" anybody here except myself. What is true is that if you convince me, and if I can convince some other people that I know.... not represent...... your little tabletop perpetual water pump based on a 5-layer Zed system will be worth a lot more than ten thousand dollars.

You mentioned being the middleman and getting rich and that to me suggested, logically, that you are a broker representing some serious kind of somebodies.


#324 TinselKoala
" I can tell you this: if it is self powered, truly, and uses gravity and buoyancy to sustain operation.... I can set you up solid, my man, solid. I'll get rich from being the middleman, but you will get hugely so rich you cannot imagine it, and the world will be a better place very quickly."


I do understand the frustration of asking simple questions, and not being able to get simple numerical answers. That's the lone big red flag I have personally. But I read all this for entertainment mostly, with a believe it when I see it attitude as befits all the hoaxes I see on these forums all the time.

QuoteWhere are the teams of engineering grad students, promised a large reward if they DO find something wrong with the claimed overunity performance?

I think that's a fine idea, using the local college to debug and prove or disprove it. However if somebody thinks they have the answer of all answers, I am not sure they'd be open to that for monetary, or other reasons of concern. Alas. 

QuoteMe.... I'm phoning some "friends of ours" and getting a million bux for it right away, and a billion by the beginning of 2013. If the MIBs from Big Oil don't assassinate me first. Mr Wayne can sue my estate for infringement.

(BTW... this isn't "sarcasm". It is a variation on the reductio ad absurdum. )

What's the input to output power on a reductio ad absurdum?     

rc

Ah, I see the source of the confusion.  No, if there's no "product", I can't be any kind of middle man, can I. But if there is a product and it's being bandied about on an internet forum, then there is no reason why I can't bring it to the attention of some friends of ours, and there's no reason why they wouldn't be grateful to me for doing so, in the only way that matters. This is quite a bit different from me "representing" anyone.  And the protection offered by a patent _application_ only extends retroactively if the patent itself is finally granted.

Is this an announcement of my intent to rip off somebody's intellectual property? Really?  REALLY?  Well....then I have to ask, just what property are we talking about anyway? You had better keep your invisible flying pink unicorn tightly locked up because I just might rip that off too.

Since when has a patent protected anyone with a truly revolutionary invention with national security and world-changing implications anyway? Are you saying that the conspiracy theorists are wrong?!?  No MIBs, no government sequestering of patents, no Big Oil assassins working to keep us enslaved?

There are circumstances where I would be officially representing someone in matters of this nature, but those circumstances are as likely to come about as an Oklahoma blizzard.... in August. And the fact that I once said to someone that there was a patent, when there really isn't..... well, that seems to reflect poorly on ME. Imagine that....  I, a bystander, get censured and scorned by my friends for saying that there is a patent when there isn't. But it's OK for the claimant to do it.



The input to a reductio ad absurdum is "the way things are". And the output is some contradiction that is so glaringly absurd that one can see that there is something badly wrong with "the way things are" or at least the way that they are represented. Like a working free energy machine sitting in a barnyard in southern Oklahoma, without attracting a lot of attention from, say.... DARPA, Mossad, the Chinese, or even those bright grad students over in Norman. And the power of the output is multiplied by each absurdity revealed.

Yep, let's hope that patent gets granted in a hurry, so MrWayne and his intellectual property will be safe.

The University of Oklahoma' s College of Engineering's School of Aerospace and Mechanical Engineering in Norman is the mere "local college"? Well, we grads of the University of Texas might think so but I'll bet a bunch of those students in Felgar Hall would disagree.

@Mags:
"No patent and your swingin by a thread just like anyone else."

Ah.... no. "No patent, but you've got a working model that does exactly what you say it does"..... I'll put that up against a "patent" with no working model behind it any day of the week. The first person to show up with a working model of a free energy device wins the big prize, patent or no patent and no matter whose name is on the patent application.