Quote from: CuriousChris on November 01, 2012, 09:39:37 PM
I hand it to you a good answer. Not the folly of mags and bruce.

But nonetheless it does not alter the question. Your answer is a matter of interpretation. of perspective. Your first video link that made you look foolish (and still does) has no meaning to it. They found a cracked rock applied their own interpretation to it based on the PRECONCEIVED notions and got the answer they wanted.

Not being a geologist I cannot comment on the cause of the cracking. Although the narrative implied some knowledge of geology there is nothing to verify that. To my mind the secretley leaked video is as about as compelling as the videos of the finding of noahs ark. Which of course is to say not compelling at all.

If I was going to fall for that sort of stuff I would have fallen for erich von danikens video's which by the way were far more compelling. but equally crap.

I am glad you made this statement. its one of my favourite sayings you get christians making "God will confuse the wise with the simplest things of this world.  He'll catch the wise in their own craftiness."

Which wise will God confuse?

Scientists?
Philosophers
Christian Scientists
Christian Philosophers
Theists
Theologians
Atheist
Gravityblock
CuriousChris
Chet
Mags
Bruce

We are all wise in our own ways and stupid in others. Does YOUR God specify which. Perhaps its you, perhaps he thinks you are so proud you need to be brought down a peg or two.

And why do such a thing? Is YOUR God deceitful? If he wrote "I am God and I exist" in the seeds of a watermelon (english would be nice but not mandatory) would it hurt his cause.

Is it YOUR Gods aim to make sure at least 75% of all humans who ever lived go to hell. whatever YOUR interpretation of hell is.

Is YOUR God so deceitful and malignant that he would enforce that on his creation?

So yet another question, previously gone unanswered. perhaps you can use your wisdom (provided god is not confusing you) to answer it as others ignore these questions (obviously caused by confusion) and I am sincerley interested in the answer, even if only to point out the inconsistencies in it.

If the Bible was written By God (through man) then surely the writers of the bible (hebrews) should agree with all of the bible. Why then do they reject the new testament? Where does that leave Christians?


Dear Chet

Rather than another post your question separately, I'll ask it here. Another question that has been ignored and one I am interested in finding out the logic behind.

Why did 1/3 of the Angels of heaven choose to follow the angel of Light, Lucifer to hell?

These creature don't suffer from Gods deceit. they know God intimately. surely as Gods (presumed) first creations they knew God was all powerful, they could not win. Why would they follow Lucifer knowing it was a guaranteed hiding?

Is God that bad?
Are angels that dumb?
According to Gravityblock they are a higher form of being than us. that implies they are more intelligent more, knowledgeable, more everything.

Why then did they make this most fundamental mistake?

Or was its God mistake in how he made them? Too much pride perhaps?

HopToad
Excellent post!

"Not the folly of mags and bruce." 

Surly you jest. Where do you see that we would not agree with what GB has posted?
You are just an instigator. And a fool.

"Your answer is a matter of interpretation. of perspective."

And your answers are from men, of whom you would not trust to write the Bible. Fool.

"We are all wise in our own ways and stupid in others. Does YOUR God specify which."

Yes he does and he says you are a fool.

"perhaps he thinks you are so proud you need to be brought down a peg or two."

The way I see it you are running out of pegs. 


"Is it YOUR Gods aim to make sure at least 75% of all humans who ever lived go to hell. "
Where did you get that number? Or are you telling some of your own conjured fairy tales? Just off the top of your head?


"Why did 1/3 of the Angels of heaven choose to follow the angel of Light, Lucifer to hell?"

Because they were just like you.  Whether you know it or not.


"Why would they follow Lucifer knowing it was a guaranteed hiding?"

Huh?

"Is God that bad?
Are angels that dumb?"

God gave us free will. Are some of us dumb?

"According to Gravityblock they are a higher form of being than us. that implies they are more intelligent more, knowledgeable, more everything."

I can see how this might offend you as you believe you know everything. Even the smartest of us do the stupidest things at times. Though I dont see you in that category.

"Why then did they make this most fundamental mistake?"

Look in the mirror. Again, he gave them and you free will. Did you read anything? Im hearing a lot of questions from you that you should know already, though you claim to be well read. Too bad you missed SOO much.  You are a fool.

Magzimus Leviticus

Quote from: CuriousChris on November 01, 2012, 09:39:37 PM

If the Bible was written By God (through man) then surely the writers of the bible (hebrews) should agree with all of the bible. Why then do they reject the new testament? Where does that leave Christians?

That leaves us with Jews for Jesus.  Incase you havent heard. 

Magzimus Leviticus

Quote from: gravityblock on November 01, 2012, 04:14:28 PM
After Adam and Eve's disobedience...

I understand, this answer suggests there were no others behind the Paradise. Thus, their descendants enjoyed incest.
Now about the tree: God told them, there will be consequences of their disobedience. But God knew exactly their future reaction, since it's said that God knows everything, including future. And since God was their "engineer", he knew exactly how and when it will occur. He knew that their curiosity (which he gave them) will become their obsession which will become a torture; a never ending torture, since they "enjoyed" immortality. Thus, their "Paradise" become their "HELL" even before they committed their disobedience (there is high probability they committed this deliberately, just to stop their never ending torture resulting from this obsession). And you call this Paradise?
Thus, I see the story of Genesis as a fairy tell, good for fanatics.

Quote from: Magluvin on November 01, 2012, 10:35:11 PM
God gave us free will. Are some of us dumb?

free-will-is-an-illusion
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/victor-stenger/free-will-is-an-illusion_b_1562533.html

Quote from: Qwert on November 01, 2012, 11:22:20 PM
I understand, this answer suggests there were no others behind the Paradise. Thus, their descendants enjoyed incest.
Now about the tree: God told them, there will be consequences of their disobedience. But God knew exactly their future reaction, since it's said that God knows everything, including future. And since God was their "engineer", he knew exactly how and when it will occur. He knew that their curiosity (which he gave them) will become their obsession which will become a torture; a never ending torture, since they "enjoyed" immortality. Thus, their "Paradise" become their "HELL" even before they committed their disobedience (there is high probability they committed this deliberately, just to stop their never ending torture resulting from this obsession). And you call this Paradise?
Thus, I see the story of Genesis as a fairy tell, good for fanatics.

Well being that God does know the future, is it hard to understand that history has to have a beginning?

If you were to create some self replicating robots, and you gave them the ability to have intelligence and free will, how would their life begin? How would you have their life begin?

Would you just put them in a sealed box with no light, no nothing? No rules, no interacting with them?

Lets say we did make these robots with free will. Say some of them go rogue and dont do as you wish them to do or become. What would you do with the rogue bots? How would you treat them compared to the bots that 'believe' your wishes are best? Remember, free will bots.

Or would this change your mind about giving them free will once you see that some go rogue? 

Im sure you would care about all your bots(creations). You probably would be disappointed in the rogue bots. Especially when the rogue bots begin to bully the 'believer' bots for not going rogue.

In the end, the bots are a testing session for their free will electronic minds or soul if you will, to pick the best of the best for the bigger final design bots you have planned for the future.

Would you choose to put rogue souls in those final bot designs?

Magzimus Leviticus