Interesting how the faithers in this thread resort to name calling to support their (non) argument.
Also interesting is the propensity for judgement of others - in spite of their own christ who said "judge not"

Quote from: Qwert on November 01, 2012, 11:38:16 PM
free-will-is-an-illusion
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/victor-stenger/free-will-is-an-illusion_b_1562533.html

Ahh, more belief in scientists that you would not trust to write the Bible. 

Magzimus Leviticus

Quote from: Magluvin on November 01, 2012, 10:35:11 PM
"Not the folly of mags and bruce." 

Surly you jest. Where do you see that we would not agree with what GB has posted?
You are just an instigator. And a fool.

Look in the mirror. Again, he gave them and you free will. Did you read anything? Im hearing a lot of questions from you that you should know already, though you claim to be well read. Too bad you missed SOO much.  You are a fool.

Magzimus Leviticus

No Mags, I don't jest.

You started well but descended into the above tripe. On the other hand gravity started really poorly but actually improved into a worthwhile adversary. Gravity actually made sense and was not attempting to dodge the questions he could not fathom.

Bruce just ranted. with no real content worth considering.

You did try and some stuff you said was worth reading, but by comparison Gravity for someone who believes that silly video actually made sense to me. he was wrong but I can follow his logic.

To the Angels...
When he gave the angels free will did he make them dumb as well?.  Or is your understanding of "free will" as the desire to do wrong?

Why would a perfect God where no thing is unseen, make a creature man or angel that would fail. Why would a JUST God create a creature where he knows he will have to punish them by abandoning them or put them to the fires of hell for eternity, whichever hell you happen to believe in. Is that a just God? Is that Perfection?

A just and perfect God who knew no matter what he did it would fail. Because either he gave them free will or he made them automatons would choose to stay alone in the nothing. he would not could not banish the majority of his creation to hell.

Or is Gods love different? does God only love himself and therefore his only intention is to create beings to worship him without reservation. Thus he has succeeded with you and failed with me. You see I am an individual. as an individual God doesn't want me as I am not going to worship a vain and self infatuated God.

And you failed to follow my logic that free will and miracles don't coexist well. So when you want miracles you bring them forth when you want free will you do likewise.

You call me a fool and yet believe without reservation children's stories. I ask who is the real fool?

Quote from: hoptoad on November 01, 2012, 11:52:46 PM
Interesting how the faithers in this thread resort to name calling to support their (non) argument.
Also interesting is the propensity for judgement of others - in spite of their own christ who said "judge not"

Really? The Bible tells us what a fool is. It uses the word 'fool'. If the shoe fits...
Its not a judgement. It is a description.     If you dont like it, then dont choose to be one.

Magzimus Leviticus

Quote from: Magluvin on November 02, 2012, 12:00:13 AM
Ahh, more belief in scientists that you would not trust to write the Bible. 

Magzimus Leviticus

I would not trust any man to write a bible. even if he claimed to do it at gods direction. I simply would not believe him.

I have said this before as well so perhaps it may help you understand my psyche. "I trust science, I do not trust scientists"

If you do not follow my meaning, what I am saying is science as a whole. The collection of the works of many is a reasonable source of trust, individually scientists are but human. they have all the failings of a human, including pride, ego, they make mistakes etc.


This one is laughable...

"Why did 1/3 of the Angels of heaven choose to follow the angel of Light, Lucifer to hell?"

Because they were just like you.  Whether you know it or not.


So the angels in heaven never met God. never had any proof of his existence. only had the claims made by other angels. Never spent any time in heaven.
They were just like me?

According to your theory. I am just like an Angel have seen god and have seen through god. Yeah I guess you are right.