Verpies
When we Pulse AC, By say passing thru a diode.........

@ Kogs
If this were a steel cage match I would have tapped in for you some time ago.
I would Grab that knuckle dragger MH by his Nose [very close to the ground]
Fold him up and put him in his own pocket...........

Alas thats against forum rules [I think?]
So we have to play fair ,I respect you Bud ,Your Zeal is Noble!

Please be aware there are men here that want the Truth and do not twist the facts or forward an agenda at all costs [deception]

Yes some do ooose Condescension at times here ,however...
you are a Joiner if I were to walk up to you as you worked and tell you infront of your client or boss that you had it all wrong, and were wasting much material and time ...
at first you would perhaps  lend me an ear, due to your good upbringing
However things would get fiesty real quick if you could not make your case
Rock hard real quick!!

These men [some ]make their living with those Laws,when you walk up and tap them on the shoulder do so with the same respect you would expect for your self ,you can imagine the hair goes up pretty quick after they keep seeing the same mistakes in different flavors ,UFO will have his day when He "Do what he do" .


Thx for your perseverance and good intentions
this will serve you well in our world .However do not do so at the cost of truth
A blind eye can not See.............
They have "history" on their side of the fence [battin 1000]

perhaps UFO will knock this out of the Park? I hope so........
We could use a good grand slam![or a good body slam ,wheres that $#@% MH]
Thx
Chet

Well i think this is getting all a bit fancy in regards to amp's,volts and ohm's law.
The statement was simple-amp's will drop as volt's rise in an incandecant bulb.
The answer is simple-no they wont.Amp's will rise right along with volt's was my reply to the above statement.
I have tried,AC,DC and pulsed DC-the result's are always the same-amp's climb with volt's.

Myself and a member of EF tried to put forth another idea as to how to measure an overunity system.
This would be a very good and simple of a looped overunity system.
We have a battery,prime mover and generator in a looped system.
In an underunity system(although all systems are unity)when we conect the motor to the run battery and then send the power from the generator back to the battery-we would see the battery drop in voltage.
Then when we disconect both the motor and generator from the battery at the same time-we will see the battery voltage go up to a rest voltage(recovery voltage)
If we did the same as above,but the system was overunity in electrical power-when we disconect both motor and generator from the battery,the battery voltage would go down.

I have done a quick video on a simple setup that show's what i mean.I will upload the link here when done loading.

If UFO intends on looping his system,then this is a very simple test and would work in any dc to dc system-which it would have to be if he is going to use battery's.

Amoment of Silence for the 26 souls  9.30 am est
Chet

Quote from: Red_Sunset on December 21, 2012, 08:07:26 AM
I would suggest to keep this simple basic problem as simple as possible.
This discussion problem can be verified quicker than I can write this post.
Anybody who thinks that the power stays constant because it is written on the bulb, pls just put your meter in the circuit and check for yourselves.
A simple test is to plug a 110v bulb into 220v and explain what you see happening
A simple test is to plug a 220v bulb into 110v and explain what you see happening.

There is no better belief that "self discovered" belief !
Otherwise it remains an"opinion", and we can have many of those !

Exactly! start experimenting and do the light bulb test and tell us what you see?

Quote from: tinman on December 21, 2012, 09:23:10 AM
Well i think this is getting all a bit fancy in regards to amp's,volts and ohm's law.
The statement was simple-amp's will drop as volt's rise in an incandecant bulb.
The answer is simple-no they wont.Amp's will rise right along with volt's was my reply to the above statement.
I have tried,AC,DC and pulsed DC-the result's are always the same-amp's climb with volt's.

Myself and a member of EF tried to put forth another idea as to how to measure an overunity system.
This would be a very good and simple of a looped overunity system.
We have a battery,prime mover and generator in a looped system.
In an underunity system(although all systems are unity)when we conect the motor to the run battery and then send the power from the generator back to the battery-we would see the battery drop in voltage.
Then when we disconect both the motor and generator from the battery at the same time-we will see the battery voltage go up to a rest voltage(recovery voltage)
If we did the same as above,but the system was overunity in electrical power-when we disconect both motor and generator from the battery,the battery voltage would go down.

I have done a quick video on a simple setup that show's what i mean.I will upload the link here when done loading.

If UFO intends on looping his system,then this is a very simple test and would work in any dc to dc system-which it would have to be if he is going to use battery's.

Tinman,

Personally, before I would attempt to measure for OU, I would be only conerned with evidence of increased efficiency.

EF poster Turion's initial idea regarding the use of a non-modified RS motor as a generator to couple the modded and un-modded motors to is still the best idea I heard.  Doing this with the RS motors makes this low cost and fairly easy to do.

The motor used as a gen can be fittled with a small flexible coupler (bellows, slotted, etc) for the required shaft size.  Motors and gens can be held down with pipe straps or perforated strap to a wooden board.

On the gen side, varios fixed resistive loads (no lightbulbs!) such as 100, 50, or 10 ohms of proper wattage, can be attached as a load and a low cost DVM used to monitor the voltage across the resistors.  A small ceramic capacitor across the generator's brushes can be added to reduce electrical noise.

On the motor side, the motors would be driven with a variable DC supply of sufficient current rating with volt and amp meters (or alternately external meters used).

Using an unmodofied motor, the system would be run at a reasonable speed with a 100 ohm load for a time to set the brushes on both motor and gen.  The DC supply voltage would then be adjusted to produce various outputs at the gen side. 

Depending on the generator's capabilities, let's say the DC supply voltage is set to produce 2 volts at the gen output with a 50 ohm load connected thereto.  The DC current and voltage from the supply would be written down for that gen output.  The DC supply voltage would then be adjusted upward until the gen was producing 5 volts, and again the DC supply's current and voltage noted.  This can be repeated at 10 volt and 12 volt or any other generator output voltages within the capability of the motor and generator.

The above would be repeated a few times with the same unmodded motor attached to verify the results are reasonably repeatable.

The unmodified motor would then be replaced with the modified DC motor and coupled to the gen.  The DC supply voltage would then be adjusted to produce the same generator output voltages used to test the unmodified motor, and the required current and voltage for each of those same gen outputs noted..

If an unmodified motor required 10 volts at .5 amp to produce 5 volts at the gen into 50 ohms, that would mean it required 5 watts to produce .5 watts at the gen.

Similarly calculated, if the modified motor used less than 5 watts to produce the same .5 watts (i.e., 50 volts at the gen output with a 50 ohm load), that would be an indication that the modified motor is more efficient than the unmodifed motor.

Various resistor values could be used to test the motors under various loads.

This test will not necessarily indicate OU (unless there is an awful lot of it!) nor would it be an absolute measurement, but it would indicate any relative efficiency improvement.  If the modifed motor is 20% less efficient than the unmodified motor, there would be little hope that OU could be acheived.  However, even then, the test jig would be useful for comparing any efficiency improvements via further modification or experiments utilizing the gen out brush pairs in various configurations, brush timings, etc.

If increased efficiency is observed in the modified motor, a small Prony could then be constructed to make quantitative measurements.   

It seems I read over there that the RS motors varied quite a bit regarding winding resistance and the like, so in performing the baseline tests, it might be advisable to test 2 or three unmodified motors and pick the most efficient one for comparison to.

Similarly, the setup could be utilized in reverse for testing the use of the modified motors as generators.  With the same unmodifed motor used as the prime mover in the preceding baseline tests, the motor being used as a generator could be replaced with a modified motor (now being used as a generator) and the DC supply current and voltage noted for each of the generator output voltage test values.  If the modded motor (again, now being used as a generator) produces a similar power output at less DC supply wattage than was required in the baseline tests, that would indicate the modified motor is also more efficient as a generator.

PW