So:  one more time.
Back emf causes a radiant spike which REVERSES the voltage and MULTIPLIES the voltage a hundred fold.


Couldn't be simpler than that.

Quote from: a.king21 on December 08, 2013, 10:04:19 PM
So:  one more time.
Back emf causes a radiant spike which REVERSES the voltage and MULTIPLIES the voltage a hundred fold.


Couldn't be simpler than that.

forward emf actually... because it's on the disconnect.
multiply is not a good word... allows a short pulse of high voltage...


the voltage at an end is 'negative' of that end I guess...  and definately the current is still in the same direction.


radiant spike; a quickly collapsing EM field.... joule thieves are radiant spike devices then?

Quote from: d3x0r on December 08, 2013, 10:33:09 PM
forward emf actually... because it's on the disconnect.
multiply is not a good word... allows a short pulse of high voltage...


the voltage at an end is 'negative' of that end I guess...  and definately the current is still in the same direction.


radiant spike; a quickly collapsing EM field.... joule thieves are radiant spike devices then?

I give up.

Quote from: a.king21 on December 08, 2013, 03:18:59 PM
Tito:


How about a Christmas present to us all with a big clue?


Merry Christmas.

Here is your BIG CLUE: THE ELECTRICITY IS DUAL IN NATURE


YOU SHOULD GOT IT!!!

MERRY NEW YEAR

ETITS L. NOICARO

Quote from: a.king21 on December 08, 2013, 10:51:41 PM
I give up.

With a sentiment like that you somehow thinking we're not on the same page....


Lenz's Law was that back EMF is a counter force resisting current... I see there isn't really  a 'forward EMF' term?  That makes sense... both sides could be called backEMF.... since the original law only states '...' maybe it states nothing, so it must be based in other places.  Back EMF is the result of a forward current, and a rising EM field.  A stable EM field/current does not really have back EMF.  When the current is disengaged, the current will want to continue forward; the magnetic field doesn't just suddenly go from N->S... it tapers off form Stored EM to 0;




At what point do you think the current is reversing?


At the point that it's a measurablely HUGE voltage?  why did it wait so long before reversing?  No... at a certain potential the neon dielectric breaks, and begins conducting, the current goes through the neon... what's the coil doing?  Probably still going forward to supply a length of current to the bulb. 


If you inject CSRs along the whole thing... where is the potential high and low?  Which direction does that say about the current?  Observation changes it, because you add a capacitance that is going to counteract changes also...


Where is the voltage low?  What is happening at the point until the point that it is high? current came back towards the source?  Adding more of the source type to the source... - + - = -... + + + = + - no inversion.... no... it is removing the source type, making it more like the other side..... + tending towards -; and additionally more - than the original source.  If the coil was left entirely open, you would have a maximum of voltage released in the shortest time; but with nowhere to go... to the parasitic capacitance of the coil itself and it radiates.

Edit; Sorry, another retraction... it doesn't matter which side you disconnect and leave remaining, the same power will happen.