Quote from: mscoffman on April 18, 2014, 10:46:17 AM
Once the electrical utility companies get the idea about what they are up against these payments for power sharing are
going to go the way of a July snowfall. I would encourage everyone who purchases a utility line interactive inverter front end
to make sure that their inverter can function in stand-alone as well as line-interactive mode as an option then to "make hay
while the sun shines".

I agree. In fact they are making that no one will want to sell it back. Why is that? They are not in the business of buying. They are mostly in the business of levying fees for delivery not paying for freely available energy.


I hope you are right about the lifespan of these fees especially for the ones who are smart enough to generate for their own purposes and sell the excess back to help relive the burden associated with all the bad generating schemes out there. My guess is that they will only increase the fees especially when we want to share the relief these newer technologies bring to us in power availability and pollution or environmental issues associated with the generation of energy. I don't think they are interested in our well being. The only thing they want is to generate streams of income and the bottom line. The only way to get around this was being experimented on by Tesla, for which they took out very quickly once they knew it's purpose.


It doesn't matter then really if we generate our own for our own use. If you want to share the excess there is no reason why you couldn't share with your neighbor is there? Create your own neighborhood or community system and bypass them completely. But you have to do this is a very different way. You can not use wires to do this because they have LAWS or Regulations prohibiting this. One way to negate that is not to use wires at all and that goes back to Tesla. But I digress.


Keep up with this study guys! It is very very important to know where this power is coming from.


Here is a good reference to start understanding the process: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4zc0ICPoqlM


Understand that matter is the key here. As we are seeing matter has a unique connection to all the energy of the Universe.

The same system that hands out patents is controlled by the people opposed to people having free power.  :/ And that's all I'll say about that.

The wire I'm using is pretty stiff. It's solid copper wire. I'm not sure the guage, but it's just a hair more in diameter when compared to the thickness of a quarter. Anyway, it's nothing special, just the form of copper I had on hand. I'm just a poor man. Really, a very poor man. I'm not a manufacturer.

As for "sharing the energy", look, when you're tied to the electric grid using power from a power plant, you're using power like mad. Meanwhile, all this energy passing by us from the sun is just passing by. It's wasted. If you choose to STOP using power from the grid and attempt to invest the time and effort to do this difficult thing, to get power from the sun, you're no longer using power from the grid. They now have a surplus because of you. And you're now independent. You've just "given back" some of that power you used to use to your fellow people. For people to now demand you share your power you've gone through such lengths to get is just stupid and socialistic, as if you have no rightful claim to that which you've rightfully acquired. As if someone claims to own you or your property. This is not freedom and I would say a life is not worth living without freedom.

Quote from: halfvulcan on April 18, 2014, 02:06:33 PM
The same system that hands out patents is controlled by the people opposed to people having free power.  :/ And that's all I'll say about that.

The wire I'm using is pretty stiff. It's solid copper wire. I'm not sure the guage, but it's just a hair more in diameter when compared to the thickness of a quarter. Anyway, it's nothing special, just the form of copper I had on hand. I'm just a poor man. Really, a very poor man. I'm not a manufacturer.

As for "sharing the energy", look, when you're tied to the electric grid using power from a power plant, you're using power like mad. Meanwhile, all this energy passing by us from the sun is just passing by. It's wasted. If you choose to STOP using power from the grid and attempt to invest the time and effort to do this difficult thing, to get power from the sun, you're no longer using power from the grid. They now have a surplus because of you. And you're now independent. You've just "given back" some of that power you used to use to your fellow people. For people to now demand you share your power you've gone through such lengths to get is just stupid and socialistic, as if you have no rightful claim to that which you've rightfully acquired. As if someone claims to own you or your property. This is not freedom and I would say a life is not worth living without freedom.

I agree also but we are free people so don't down on someone that wants to make sure that others don't abuse their ideas. There is a legitimate reason for patenting.


As for the solar issue I have become aware of "Them" using code to shut down people who become totally off grid. The code department is being used to create problems for people who have become independent with no check or balance to make sure it can't be abused. So it isn't the system per say but the ones in power who abuse the system and our rights. I agree about the freedom aspect but you see what happens to freedom and rights when the ones in power abuse the system to make it impossible to live free. The case of the Nevada rancher is prime example of abuse of power in the USA. This is a much wider problem and happens all the time in our society. Until we stand up and refuse these encroachments on our freedoms then all this becomes just words.


Now back to the discussion about crystal batteries. I too used wire for the external coil and a pretty decent gauge as well. It was artist aluminum wire. Pretty solid and pure aluminum with a center artist quality graphite rod. The rod was about 1/4 inch or near there. I only got a volt difference but it was a pretty good amount for the material I was using. It ran the diode I was using from a shakeup flashlight. I did not use the supercap that was included on the little circuit board but I could charge it from the crystal cell then power the light for a limited period from the supercap. again attached to this post here is the picture of the setup. The electrodes both aluminum and graphite was a bit too far away from each other I am guessing to maintain the potential for extended periods, like over a month.

Now all that setup wasn't in the picture. I had 3 different types of crystal batteries and 1 experimental carbon aluminum battery. Of course the carbon aluminum battery ate itself apart but the crystal batteries basically would discharge to the point that they gave little voltage potential but if I let it rest for a few hours they would recharge themselves and continue to provide light for many many hours. I think the total voltage was around 3 volts from all they types of batteries I had. Well 2.7v or so...

Hello.

I'm a little new to this.  I am very interested in the idea of crystal batteries. 
I am very impressed with the big ibp2 cell design.
I am also very interested in the concept of applying pressure to increase output.   
I have been trying to think of a way to create a cell that could resist a weight.   
I am concerned that the hollow copper tubing would flatten over time under a cinderblock.
Possible solutions:
Copper foil tape wrapped around a wooden or plastic dowel. Covered in the crystal paper. Then wrapped in magnesium ribbon. Cover in electrical tape and finish.
If the importance of the metal is the amount of surface area touching then copper foil may work great and be very cost effective. The wooden or plastic dowel would create a solid core in a very cost effective manner .

Another idea along the same lines is take a wooden dowel and a carpenter pencil.  Draw a tight coil spiraling up the dowel.  The. Proceed as above. 
This minimalist approach to graphite usage could be enhanced by the many loops in the coil.   A graphite lead could be attached by taping a small piece of carpenter graphite to the end of the coil.

Then the cells could be laid side by side in a box and connected.  (Correct me if I'm wrong: +to+, -to- and so on.)a plate could be added to distribute the weight and a block could be added to the top of th plate.  If designed correctly these boxes could be stacked together in layers and connected together and the weight could be added on top so that the use of weight could be minimized as well. 
I'm planning on trying this.  Any suggestions?

Thank you

As for that side-topic, I recommend the writings of Lysander Spooner.
I need to figure out if people are coming to the same conclusions I've been coming to after much time researching these cells. Water in the cells causes the galvanic reaction which temporarily ups the amps a lot, but eats the metals away and kills the cells, but the "magic" of these cells isn't the galvanic power we get from them. It's that, if you make a cell that lasts long enough (doesnt eat itself), you see it producing power from the crystals for years. Ibpointless has talked pretty clearly about his research on this. The water is the bad thing for these cells longevity. To see the real crystal power, you have to get a cell to grow the crystals and then operate from those. A dry cell in other words. They'll produce less power per cell for sure without the additional galvanic action, but the crystal battery lasts longer and you're operating then purely based on the piezo crystal action. Anyone can make a galvanic battery, and yeah they make amps and volts, but when they run out of juice, that's it, unless you recharge them or replenish the fluids or something. Crystal cells are "forever" (as long as the cell is in good condition). Do my words make sense to anyone? i may even be using some terms wrong. When I say galvnic, I usually mean, "metal-eating".

Not to say we can't eventually solve the corrosion problem and use wet crystal cells. Some cells may have solved that to some degree, I don't know. I'm thinking of John Bedini's light that he sells. If I rmember right, you add some water and the light runs a good while. I don't know whether those suffer from the corrosion problem, but I imagine they do. But are those things actually working from the crystal action or galvanic or are they acting as a fuel cell that basically just uses water? I need to figure out eventually.

Anyway, my instincts have been guiding me toward the dry crystal cells as those are the ones that are most likely giving us that longer-lasting crystal power.

And day 2, crystal cells sealed in a jar with led lights. Still shining. It may be my imagination, but they seem maybe even brighter than yesterday.