Hey Brad

Not coming down on your observation. Just was thinking about possibilities.

Id like to see the vids. Interesting. I wonder if like a fuel cell it is maybe putting current back in the system, if the O and H are converting back to water.

Mags

Quote from: Magluvin on December 01, 2016, 11:41:48 PM
Hey Brad

Not coming down on your observation. Just was thinking about possibilities.

Id like to see the vids. Interesting. I wonder if like a fuel cell it is maybe putting current back in the system, if the O and H are converting back to water.

Mags

I did ask that very question at OUR,but got no reply's.

Here is one of the video's i was talking about.
You can clearly see the hydrogen migrating to the anode ,from the cathode.

I downloaded the video,and then used VLC media player to watch in full screen,and at 1/10 the speed. You can clearly see that at least half the hydrogen is migrating to the anode,and mixing with the oxygen,and reforming back to water,as very little of it actually breaks away,and rises to the top of the water. You can see which bubbles do make it to the top of the water,as they turn blurry as they get close to the microscope lenz--out of focus.

Most say this just dose not happen,and i would agree--once the HHO has made it out of the electromagnetic field of the cell plates. But while they are within the electromagnetic field of the cell plates,they can indeed reform back to there original state--that being water.

This was a great experiment carried out by wattsup--many thanks to him.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bbpLVSwIkeE


Brad

Quote from: tinman on December 02, 2016, 04:15:08 AM
I did ask that very question at OUR,but got no reply's.

Here is one of the video's i was talking about.
You can clearly see the hydrogen migrating to the anode ,from the cathode.

I downloaded the video,and then used VLC media player to watch in full screen,and at 1/10 the speed. You can clearly see that at least half the hydrogen is migrating to the anode,and mixing with the oxygen,and reforming back to water,as very little of it actually breaks away,and rises to the top of the water. You can see which bubbles do make it to the top of the water,as they turn blurry as they get close to the microscope lenz--out of focus.

Most say this just dose not happen,and i would agree--once the HHO has made it out of the electromagnetic field of the cell plates. But while they are within the electromagnetic field of the cell plates,they can indeed reform back to there original state--that being water.

This was a great experiment carried out by wattsup--many thanks to him.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bbpLVSwIkeE


Brad

That is a very interesting vid. Thanks for posting and thanks to Watts for even coming up with the idea and doing it.

The bubbles only going one way seems to tell that the water disassembly happens on the left electrode. And it makes sense. Like why would there be the same function happening on the neg plate as would on the positive plate? So maybe the bubbles become charged and are attracted to the other electrode.

I see what you mean saying the bubbles seem to disappear. But they are small bubbles and the larger ones on the right electrode get larger as it goes. Say if a large bubble were only say 4 times the dia of 1 small bubble and then we add that small bubble to the large one, the increase in the large bubbles dia would be barely noticeable in the vid. And there may be large bubbles on the opposite side of the electrode that we cant see that are taking on small bubbles.

Its weird. Like if we do the inverted test tubes in a flask of water solution and put an electrode in one inverted tube and another electrode in the other, one test tube produces only oxygen and the other only fills with hydrogen. If the split happens at both electrodes, then what happened to the hydrogen atoms in the O2 test tube and what happened to the O2 in the Hydrogen test tube??

Never thought of it at this level before, and I should have.

The bubbles on the plates that stick probably and or possibly take up plate surface area. Having the water flow past the plates could possibly increase production by keeping the bubbles moving.



Mags

The cool video also shows that frequency has little to do with production of gases. 1Hz being the same as KHz. The double layer at the electrodes acts as a smoothing capacitor. It has a value of many microfarads. The double layer capacitance is used in some super capacitors. If the Sig gen has no blocking diode then you should see a break in gas production at low frequency because the output of the generator is a NPN/PNP driver. If a diode was used to convert the square AC to DC then the PNP can't discharge the double layer during the zero volts and it discharges by electrolysing water, hence the continuous gas production.

Im thinking of doing the experiment that Watts did while filming. Looking at some usb microscopes to poss do the vid. Thinking to isolate the electrodes except for the surfaces facing each other to hopefully clearly see what is going on.

Looked at some YT vids of animations of what happens. Like the 2 inverted test tubes, it is showing the H from the O tube to be transferred to the other electrode by going down in the test tube and over to the other test tube. And I guess vice verse.  Seems like an odd travel situation for gas atoms in water. Would they all get to the other tube without escaping the water by floating up and out before it reaches the other tube? In that setup is it possible that some of the gas produced may escape before making it to the other electrode? Lots of questions come to mind.

Mags