Quote from: pomodoro on December 11, 2016, 01:52:55 AM
Nice setup Brad..  How many individual cells are there?

It is a 15 plate cell,where the center plate is the negative,and the two outer plates are the positive.
There are 6 neutral plates in each half of the cell.

QuoteGreat to see you are using the oscilloscope for V and I measurements

Yes,i use both the scope and DMMs to measure V&I,where i will carry out a couple of runs using the DMMs,and then put in place a CVR,and confirm P/in measurements using the scope.
We are within +/- 1.2% on current,and within .3% on voltage. So our error margin is very small.

I also have a condenser and filter/dryer-as can be seen in the pic.
There is also a temperature probe in the poly T piece,so as i can monitor gas temperature.


Brad

Quote from: tinman on December 11, 2016, 05:05:39 AM
It is a 15 plate cell,where the center plate is the negative,and the two outer plates are the positive.
There are 6 neutral plates in each half of the cell.

Yes,i use both the scope and DMMs to measure V&I,where i will carry out a couple of runs using the DMMs,and then put in place a CVR,and confirm P/in measurements using the scope.
We are within +/- 1.2% on current,and within .3% on voltage. So our error margin is very small.

I also have a condenser and filter/dryer-as can be seen in the pic.
There is also a temperature probe in the poly T piece,so as i can monitor gas temperature.


Brad

Say Brad,


Here is a cell that should be very easy for you to construct and make and it gives away one of my secrets. As you can see I used SS bars instead of plates and I added laser energy to the mix. Now the reason for the bars is to force the electricity to follow the path of least resistance as those SS bars have far less resistance than the water does. Eleven SS bars in series to give ten water gaps they are 1/8" thic[size=78%]k, [/size]but I should have used 1/4" to get more of the desired effect but the cell works great none the less. Thus far I have managed to take it up to 9.4kv and when the new VIC is built I should be able to take it to around 14kv. I used plastic shim stock to control the spacing between the plates and a SS spring with a low profile SS bolt for the electrical connections. I used plumbers tape to seal all the threaded parts. Not all that expensive and one can really start to test some high voltages with this setup.


Let me know what you think, okay?
Ed

Quote from: h20power on December 11, 2016, 05:46:41 AM

Say Brad,


Here is a cell that should be very easy for you to construct and make and it gives away one of my secrets. As you can see I used SS bars instead of plates and I added laser energy to the mix. Now the reason for the bars is to force the electricity to follow the path of least resistance as those SS bars have far less resistance than the water does. Eleven SS bars in series to give ten water gaps they are 1/8" thic[size=78%]k, [/size]but I should have used 1/4" to get more of the desired effect but the cell works great none the less. Thus far I have managed to take it up to 9.4kv and when the new VIC is built I should be able to take it to around 14kv. I used plastic shim stock to control the spacing between the plates and a SS spring with a low profile SS bolt for the electrical connections. I used plumbers tape to seal all the threaded parts. Not all that expensive and one can really start to test some high voltages with this setup.


Let me know what you think, okay?
Ed

Hi Ed

I would be interested in hearing about your results using HV instead of low voltages with high currents.


Brad

Hi Brad,


Right now I have to wait for the parts of the new VIC to be made for me before I can get back to testing as something burned up in the last one I made. Oh, and I made a mistake the bars are 3/16" not 1/8" but I still should have use some 1/4" bars. I just thought you'd like to see a design that allows for the testing of laser energy that is fairly simply in build and design.The plate surface area is approximately the same as the ten cell tubular array and they seem to have the same capacitance as the voltage stays about the same if I swap one out for the other while testing. One thing you should know about going for the threshold for ionization is it's an all or nothing type of situation. Failure to reach the threshold voltage for ionization results in little to no gas generation and most people get discouraged when trying to figure out how to design a VIC transformer that will apply the right voltage to the cell due to this all or nothing situation.


For those that don't understand the wording I am using think of an ozone generator's mode of operation http://www.bystat.com/pages/info/articles/Articles_ComplianceEngineering_sep06.pdf as it is much the same process. If you don't reach a high enough voltage to bring on the ionization of the air molecules nothing happens, correct? This technology is no different as the water molecules are being broken down by way of an ionizing radiation field that targets both atoms at the same time with Meyer's technology.


I will try and make a video showing how this voltage dissociation is different from standard electrolysis, but know that I have already posted a lot of the science behind the technology for everyone's consumption. I tried posting some photos but I guess they are too big as it wouldn't let me. Anyway I thought you'd like to see a design such as this for it is fairly easy to build and control the parameters. If you want to push more amps just remember to use a thicker wire size for the spring connections. I will normally only push around 0.5-0.8 mA through the water bath which really doesn't effect the water's temperature over time as the unit is running. In fact I have noticed that it will follow the temperatures of the day when I am testing it for long periods of time.


Anyway keep up the good testing as this is the only way these technologies will ever be solved as it takes a lot of trial and error to learn just how this technology works.


Ed


This is the setup I use the most: http://i1025.photobucket.com/albums/y320/h2opower/002_zpslttdixbz.jpg

Brad, because the cell plate spacing is very small, the conductivity of the tap water is high enough to cause a large current at relatively small voltages. Tap water I've tested has a conductivity of around 200 microSiemens.  So you are basically doing normal electrolysis. Low V and high current. You need to start diluting the tap water with distilled water from the supermarket. This will allow you to pass much higher voltages for the same current.  The distilled water is demineralized but it will conduct some current because it is not ultra pure. For that you need 18 meg water which is even more demineralized and degassed as carbon dioxide from the air very quickly dissolves in it and conducts as it becomes carbonic acid. Even then , the 18 meg water conducts a very tiny amount because water molecules disassociate into H+ and OH- in a very small extent naturally and will conduct with a resistivity of 18megaohms cm  , hence the name of the ultra pure water.  I've briefly tested 18M water for insulation by trying to pass about 50KV through a 20cm column and could not get a spark out of the other end, although the small Tesla coil was capable of 1.5 inch sparks. The supermarket water should be plenty good enough for most tests.


Ed, have you been able to produce more moles of gas per mole of electrons as predicted by Faraday using your setup, based on a single cell ? If so do you have some examples of avg current ,time, gas volume at room temp and pressure and number of cell plates?


Cheers Pomo.