NRamaswami

QuoteI don't understand your point really.
My observation is that a substantial force is available in the permanent magnet. It appears to have a life of its own if I may say so.

My point was that if we put energy into something that energy cannot simply disappear otherwise the Conservation Of Energy would be violated. So when people say the magnet stuck on your fridge has no energy they are obviously mistaken and don't understand the COE.

As well, concerning the force from a permanent magnet. A force is not energy unless said force has caused something to move through a distance which is work and this work occurs over a period of time. In a permanent magnet the input energy causes the electron orbits to align and form domains which are held in place. The electron orbit constitutes an electron current moving in a circle just like one turn of a coil in an electromagnet, both produce a magnetic field. This is how the COE applies to the formation of a permanent magnet and the input energy didn't produce the electrons motion it only aligned the circular paths of electrons already present.

QuotePatrick Kelly would repeatedly point out that only one second DC current is needed to make a permanent magnet. After that unless heated it will always remain a permanent magnet.

I would agree we only need to add energy once to create a permanent magnet. However there are many ways to remove the magnetism and recover the energy we put in beyond something as primitive as heating it up. Many inventors in the past have done it and called it a permanent electromagnet, lol. Can you imagine that, a permanent electromagnet following the same natural principals as the fixed electron orbits in a permanent magnet.

You see knowledge and understanding is the key which opens the door to Free Energy not beliefs. As Victor Schauberger said... Comprehend and copy nature, do the opposite of what man does. Learn how to produce a magnet then learn how to reduce it like nature does. Understand that the Conservation Of Energy demands there can be no more or less energy in the universe than was already present. All which happens around us, all the work which has ever been done has not diminished the amount of energy present... only transformed it.

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Sir

I agree with you. However I can only observe what happens when I do this or that. Only that I can accept. Heating a magnet removes magnetism works regardless of whether it's primitive or sophisticated. I look at what works within my budget.

A free energy device appears to be a device that would continuously output energy without input. A one-time input to create a permanent magnet is fine.

This can be done is my belief not direct experience if we can use high voltage and saturated magnetic fields. I have no expertise nor safety equipment nor funds nor have we I trained manpower. I am also not comfortable with working in saturated magnetic fields.

Actually on July 3, 2020 I apologized to Patrick that I have no funds and can't do anything to reassemble the induction coils and try to replicate whatever we did many years ago. Then when I received some funds I agreed to redo the experiment and emailed him twice. No response. Another friend of Patrick complained to me that he is not responding unlike his normal habit of answering emails. I came here to pm a friend of Patrick here and it's how I got to know he passed away. We have honoured him by redoing one experiment. It worked as expected.

With great respect whatever is in the books is disabling information. You appear to know something when you say permanent electromagnet.

I can do it. But it requires high voltage magnetic fields that may have to be saturated and it's very dangerous and we will need to hire high voltage engineers. Must have access to a lot of space.

I agree that this will not be required if we use high frequency fields and ferrite cores.

Again there are no funds.

I have no intention to take funds as loans and do these experiments. There is no guarantee of results and it does not currently appear that I can repay loans if taken. Never ever will take donations. That's a sure way of spoiling good name.

So yes high voltage high frequency device can work. I don't know how to calculate or do these things in a precise and safe way.

Not even sure if high voltage magnetic fields are safe at high frequency. I have seen pictures of Don Smith with air cores. Probably the ferrite cores are removed there.

I had a suspicion that a part of devices alone were shown by Don Smith and not the whole.

It's not very difficult to make permanent electromagnet. It is because of the Inherent and unknown risk I have never done anything for many years.

Also I don't know if what I assume is correct. Many times assumptions were proven to be wrong.

So experimental validation is required to make permanent electromagnet but it's risky. I don't have that kind of knowledge nor money nor desire.

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Ramaswami Natarajan

Actually I'm really surprised..

It is not necessary to build a COP>1 device to build a permanent electromagnet.

This is how I got in to this mess..

I knew nothing about anything related to Electricity.

In 2013, I and mother had to sleep in the bed room in my office as my relatives had come to stay with us due to inadequate space at home. My office is in my first apartment bought by me and my wife.  My mother was sleeping on the cot and I was sleeping on a mattress on the floor.

When I woke up I saw a very little very small very old black man of about 9 inches to 1 feet in size sitting at about six feet high in the air from my foot with his back to me and trying to eat some nuts like things..I got frightened and started screaming that he is eating he is eating..My mother woke up and was rattled by my screams.

Why are you shouting she asked

He is eating he is eating was my reply in panic

The old man was visible to me but my mother saw none

There's no one here was what she said..

Then I showed my finger at the old man he is here he is here

It is only then the old man realised that I have seen him..my finger pointing at him has made him realise that.

He turned his head looking at me and was surprised that I have seen him and very slowly moved towards the west and disintegrated into air.. I could see him slowly disintegrating and disappearing..my mother could not. He did not attack or threaten or say anything..just ate some and disappeared..

I am very charitable person and I contribute every week something to feed the poor. Not less than $100-120 per month. I was ashamed that I screamed like that but didn't know why. I was scared any way.

I couldn't sleep after that and I tried to study something online and found free energy website of Patrick and kept studying..I was astonished by the contents and contacted Patrick.

Patrick wanted me to learn Electrical science and build Figuera and Hubbard devices and spent a lot of time teaching and guiding me..I started spending money to build these devices and acquired a lot of knowledge. I am not a wealthy man and this kind of experiments and expenses were considered to be an insane activity of a person hit by some spirit by my family and therefore there's no support from them.

I myself don't know what compelled me to spend like this and I am equally puzzled that Patrick spent his time like this with me. Probably 700 emails in three to four months from starting..Probably some scientist who passed away wanted this and we did this.. there's no justification for the efforts and the expenses incurred by me. I even borrowed and spent.

I have been reasonably successful in trying to obtain results We have done by July end 2013 itself. Within four months of starting from scratch without any bookish knowledge and Patrick himself only initiated me..He had great faith in Cater Hubbard device and it was a dud. He also did not know much. I some how step by step did whatever is needed to learn and understand to achieve the desired objective.

They Electrical Engineer who worked with me at that time passed away and he was the person with me when we both measured anomalous results twice. My health was falling and then I stopped the experiment. Electrical Engineer Narayanan himself went through three gastric bypass surgeries, elected not to marry because of anticipated short life span but this was shocking to me. To honour Patrick we did a reverification experiment last Saturday here. Yes it was successful and our understanding was perfect and the results are as expected. 

I'm aware that COP>1 device can be easily built and we have built it and experimented it on load and dismissed it as measurement or instrument error. No one is doing it..It is simple induction coil with a multifilar primary and secondary is wound on both sides of the primary.
You are not going to agree that it can be COP>1 The excess energy is present and it appears to come from the environment. But it is my belief. Nothing more. Even excess energy will be deemed to be impossible.   

Most of the scientists here seem to be retired scientists who are very passionate about this field..But they appear to be old and not having any funds and not capable of doing any thing..Alternatively they know what has to be done but because of the contractual obligations just keep quiet. Some here appear to have a background in Armed Forces and are probably retired.

But I'm not comforted here. Many seem to know a lof then they write. So let me move away from here.. Some scieinist fellow who passed away and who wanted to transfer the knowledge has dumped it on me. Not a good feeling.

I have written all that is required for you all except one thing. This I have calculated to be correct. No notes no simulation but mere mental calculation is sufficient for me. It is bound to work. It has already worked for others. I myself have not done this for fear that this can lead to fire or excessive voltage and excessive magnetic field. We neither have space nor expertise to take this risk..

So when some one actually builds and tests something you please let me know. There is no use of talking. Test the induction coil I indicated. That will do.

Regards,

Ramaswami

Ramaswami
Thank you for sharing the experience which brought you to this study ..we are all of different life experience here..

But of one mind when it comes to the goal.[forum mission statement above..
most certainly some experiments will follow..I recently had some wire arrive
thank you

Chet K

Ramaswami

QuoteMost of the scientists here seem to be retired scientists who are very passionate about this field..But they appear to be old and not having any funds and not capable of doing any thing..Alternatively they know what has to be done but because of the contractual obligations just keep quiet. Some here appear to have a background in Armed Forces and are probably retired.

Many FE inventors in the past had little more than wood, cotton wrapped wire, wax insulation and mechanical interrupters and managed to prove the technology. Many worked all day and had to do there experiments at night by candle light for decades. In fact the average dump has more materials than most FE inventors of the past could possibly have dreamed of. We have global communications and more information at our fingertips than anyone in the past could even imagine and yet ... here we are.

Obviously money isn't the problem, in fact it never was because money cannot buy true knowledge and understanding.

Regards