Quote from: Thaelin on November 07, 2020, 11:46:55 AM
This is in jest of course but I do have a over unity heater in my apt right now. It mines ETC and keeps my apt at or above 83 degrees. At this moment it is returning a profit of $122 per month.  I do no work for it other than watch. Nice heater huh?
thay

Do you probably understand why inventors do not want to introduce their findings ?

70° ,assumption Fahrenheit ~ 21,1 ° Celsius           83 ° F ~ [(83 - 32)x5]/9 = ?
Average ? Ceiling level,floor level ?
Ecology does not interest you !?
Probably this we should understand as individuum  ' sustainable behaviour' !?

Maximum and minimum by law in Germany : 17°(night)-22°Celsius(day) !( measure point ?)
In your country/estate ?

Appropriate heat device( central,decentral=1-room )
f.e.

US2013011125 Charles Souders 'Rolling lumens heating systems'

Address : Rochester Hills,MI/USA   climate zone ?
"...... heated to and maintain a temperature of 70 degrees ."



Sincerely




p.s.: scola/ecole /escola/school/Schule  : over  25°Celsius(shadow measurement)     
                         
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         HITZEFREI ! No lesson-/learning-condition !
       Learning and the=l'  l'earn(-ing)

Your apt - under actually Lock-down- not appropriate for ' home-schooling' ! 24/7 HITZEFREI ! 



It is ever interestant to compare our behaviour with social given benchmarks !
Child to Adult : why me and you not,too ?

Freedom of Future

THE TEXT BELOW IS FORBIDDEN FOR READING BY THOSE, WHO ARE NOT FAMILIAR WITH ARITHMETIC!
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Please consider CAREFULLY and THOROUGHLY the link below.
https://www.fuelcellstore.com/electrolyzer-65-e106
The link above describes a PEM electrolyzer and its operating characteristics. Three of them (most important ones) are given below for your convenience.
Power Consumption: 16 Watts at 4.0 VDC
Permissible Operating Voltage: 0 - 4 VDC
Permissible Operating Current: 0 - 4.4 A
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Let us consider two examples and compare them.
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1) EXAMPLE 1. A standard copper wire is connected to a standard DC source thus forming a circuit. The voltage of the DC source is equal to 4 VDC. The copper wire consumes 16 Watts at 4 VDC within a period of 1000 seconds. And from here we can easily calculate (a) current I, which flows through the copper wire, (b) Ohmic resistance R of the copper wire, (c) electric energy E, which is generated by the DC source and (d) Joule's heat Q, which is generated by the copper wire. Simple arithmetic shows that I = 4 A (an ammeter would register a current of 4 A), R = 1 Ohm (an ohmmeter would register an Ohmic resistance of 1 Ohm), E = 16000 J and Q = 16000 J. Therefore efficiency of the copper wire (if considered as a Joule's heater only) is given by the equalities Q/E = 1 and 16000 J/16000 J = 1, respectively.
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2) EXAMPLE 2. The above described PEM electrolyzer is connected to a standard DC source thus forming a circuit. The voltage of the DC source is equal to 4 VDC. The above described PEM electrolyzer consumes 16 Watts at 4 VDC within a period of 1000 seconds. And from here we can easily calculate (a) current I, which flows through the above described PEM electrolyzer , (b) Ohmic resistance R of the above described PEM electrolyzer, (c) electric energy E, which is generated by the DC source and (d) Joule's heat Q, which is generated by the above described PEM electrolyzer. Simple arithmetic shows that I = 4 A (an ammeter would register a current of 4 A), R = 1 Ohm (an ohmmeter would register an Ohmic resistance of 1 Ohm), E = 16000 J and Q = 16000 J. Therefore efficiency of the above described PEM electrolyzer (if considered as a Joule's heater only) is given by the equalities Q/E = 1 and 16000 J/16000 J = 1.
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3) In addition however AS A SIDE EFFECT (AS A BY-PRODUCT) the above described PEM electrolyzer releases a certain amount of hydrogen, which if burned/exploded, generates an additional heat H. Therefore the correct efficiency of the above described PEM electrolyzer (if considered as a heater) is given by the inequalities (Q + H)/E > 1 and
(16000 J + H)/16000 J > 1, respectively.
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4) Experimental data (Power Consumption: 16 Watts at 4.0 VDC), guaranteed by the manufacturer, and some simple arithmetic. One and same approach, but different final results.
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5) The text above unambiguously leads us back to our first post of January 28, 2019, 08:58:40 AM.
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HOW MUCH TIME WILL IT TAKE FOR SIMPLE OBVIOUS TRUTH TO WIN PUBLIC RECOGNITION?

Do you have a calorimeter? Put this electrolyzer there,and measure the actual heat generation.
That would be interesting to me.And you, I think, too.

https://youtu.be/hlrhW33xk7U
Well, here's an alternating current electrolysis.No diodes, no rectifiers, just a transformer.

To kolbacict.
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Hi kolbacict,
Thank you for your reply.
1) About the alternating current electrolysis. Interesting, very interesting! Please give us some time to consider it carefully.
2) Please have a look again at our last post. Do you need a calorimeter in order to measure the Joule's heat, which is generated by the copper wire? Obviously not -- you take it for granted. The same for the PEM electrolyzer. It behaves just like the copper wire, if considered as a Joule's heater only, and because of this just like the copper wire it does not need a calorimeter in order to measure the generated Joule's heat. Simple logic, doesn't it?
Looking forward to your answer.
Regards,
George