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The Tesla Project

Started by allcanadian, January 22, 2008, 05:56:53 PM

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wattsup

@AC

I was thinking the exact same thing of discharging the cap into the primary, but here is the problem. I can't make the relay click all the way to the other normally open terminal. The relay switching is so fast that the commom reed does not have enough time to get to the N/O side. However short the distance is. Since the positive or the negative is going through the N/C terminal before it goes to the relay coil. So I only have the N/C terminal to work with, and even then, it seems the open is so close to the points that there is sparks still between the points. So it is difficult to see if I am actually getting a 100% on and off condition like Tesla gets with his 100% on/off rotary design.

Unless I use any other ideas to make this relay click to both sides, I'm puzzled. I know that if I can get this to really switch, it will produce much more power. hehe.

Grumpy

The NC contact is breaking open too - this is also a switch.
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armagdn03

Um.......

I could be wrong (definitely would not be the first time) but I think there was a misunderstanding in the two posts before Grumpy.

You don't want the reed of the switch to touch the other normally open terminal. This just wont happen. You can be assured you are getting a full on and off, simply if you have the thing oscillating. Think through the operation, I get the feeling things are being thrown together without thought as to how they operate together.

In the solenoid, the reed begins in contact with one terminal, this causes the electromagnet to fire, pulling it away. if there was not "off" it would never return to make contact and there would be a sustained arc. But it does return, meaning power was cut to the magnet at some point. This may not be as fast an "On" "Off" as we would like, but it is one none the less.

What Erfinder is saying, is that a correctly placed condenser will affect the operation to some degree...............how? try a small condenser, then a big one, note the frequency buzz you hear from the condenser with different ones.

Just a thought. this isnt my challange, lol.
I wish I could turn my brain off sometimes, then I could get some sleep.

wattsup

@all

Thanks guys for your input.

"First comprehend the oscillator, then build it". This gave me a flash on something I never tried.

With the system as is now, I added an extra capacitor across the coil of the relay and bingo, it works. I put my scope A on one of the commons and another on the its N/O terminal and now I get complete travel from N/C to N/O. YES SIR. Now all I have to do is keep this capacitor there and work the other capacitor out of the design cause that would make two caps on the primary side which is one too many for the EC. This changes the whole dynamics of this. More fun to come.

Lastly, I was always trying to keep the initial Tesla patent design intact but realize now that we cannot keep it this way since the relay requires that extra control. But in general, the design will follow the spirit of the Tesla patent. Plus yesterday, the arching on the relay contacts was producing some ozone. How good is that. lol

am1ll3r

Hello again... :D
Here is a video and schematic of what I have so far...
Using only the parts Erfinder suggested but not the same specs.(using what I have available)
Battery 12 V (Power Wheels) lol
12 v 10 A DPDT relay
Transformer using the secondary as a choking coil.(from a  UPS system) unknown specs
Transformer Primary 120 V Secondary 12 V (similar to this http://www.nextag.com/AC-to-12V-DC-530830936/prices-html )
47 uF 35V Cap
560 uF 200V Cap
HV Diode

I don't have the relay working the the "working" circuit yet...(bought one but its bad and need to take it back)

I don't know if is is of any significance but the cap in my working circuit will charge up to about 50 V in about 10 seconds. I honestly don't know it that means anything as I do not have any sort of an electrical background. I can say I feel this circuit is completely un tuned... by that I mean my parts are not harmonically balanced. I think cap and primary coil need to be Resonance with X frequency and then the LC circuit needes to be pulsed at the same X frequency... I'm sure there is more as there are 3 parts to this circuit. The circuit controller, the LC circuit, and the working circuit. all of these need to be balanced but I'm not sure of the proper way to do it yet.

Again I really am green when it comes to EE but maybe as erfinder has said  "forget mainstream" ...it may be an advantage because I was never thought how things are suppose to work... I have an open mind... ;D

Well its late and I have work in the AM...
Here is the video link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HbcB0szyx-Q
and the schematic...