Look mom... I'm a rainbow!!!

It's getting puke making almost, luckily I can heavily prune it.

Similarly, if someone showed proof of free energy I am sure we would all believe him.

Already been done, but I guess you don't research FE much.

W00t W00t!!!

Glad you are happy, if the load is increased by adding a set small mechanical load to various other levels of mechanical load so you can see how over different speeds just how much adding say a 5W mechanical load effects the speed and current at different performance ranges.
And then trying the same with it in 'Thane Mode' (TM), adding the 5w load and comparing it's effect to when you add the 5w load to a control at the same rpm as the gen in 'TM'.

I actually think this would be a good test though personally there are other things I believe are far more critical, but still it would be helpful.

You might want to reffer back to your comment about just how finicky your 'whatever' stuff is... before moving on to the next project, I would certainly want to verify what we have here. In theory, it could be that if the motor were not heavily loaded 'whatever' might vanish...

You may very well be right, heavy loading may help pull the aether, er I mean 'back-emf' into the motor.

I do not have the time to (re)state the various tests I believe will prove invaluable, though if have already stated them previously.[/color] Tests that would offer a numeric index to just how efficient this is??? I'm not counting you calorimetric idea, as I assume it was made in jest...

Yes, it was in jest, not awfully practical.
Quickly my other tests include (other than the one I mentioned last time).
Running the current from the coils through another external coil, this one probably slipped over the shaft of a running loaded motor, see if it has a comparable effect. (if it does rectify and smooth verify effect remains)

Then if that works replicate the same current through an identical coil, same amps but from a normal source such as from a normal transformer connected to the mains, see if this current with the same ampere turns has the same level of performance boost.

Another test is to freeze the motor and measure the static torque (preferable with a DC motor) with and without aether/back-emf/whatever.

Finally apply the output to different electromagnetic devices to see if it decreases hysteresis, if it reduces eddy currents (doubtful), if it increases magnetic field strength or if it increases pulling or projecting of a magnetic field, see precisely what it does to increase motor (and possibly also generator) function.


Who knows? If 'whatever' exists there is no scientific base with which to draw upon for how to capture, transfer, or perceive it. If you thought of an experiment for it, knock yourself out...

That should really read 'I am not AWARE of any scientific base...", personally I am.

Absolutely... I don't believe that unfettered the motor will continue to accelerate infinitely either. But if you don't think it could lift a Semi, do you think it could lift Yukon? A Prius? A Harley?

Well one thing worth noting is that even if Thane was right and had not exaggerated about energy output increasing to infinity (or failure) your test would still not work because the faster it goes the more power the motor gains (or at least more correctly the factor improving motor poower without increased current increases) so adding a physical load that reduces speeds and does not contribute more aether flow to the motor will hurt or kill the effect.


This is exactly what I mean by 'measurable metrics'.

It's not that I don't think your tests are a good idea, but it IS that there are tests that are much higher on my list for when I get this up and running, understanding and improving the effect is more important than measuring it, IMO the final form will likely be solid state and possibly not improve motor power but actually help make energy. (there is a bunch of evidence for the ability of some devices to literally pull fields from great distances with full strength and yet not return the favor making a one way transformer, this is also one of my theories of how motor power might be increased)

I'm not a scientist, but if you told me that the most Thane's motor could lift was 500 pounds on a vertical pulley for 100 feet, I bet I could find some B average college student to do the math for me and figure out the total energy output... Infinity is very big number...

It could of course lift any weight with the right gearing.

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Somehow they get me to reply, in part I fear that unanswered they may convince some people, hopefully things have been covered enough to make that unlikely.

I personaly don't think that people are that easy to sway.
This  is not the kind of site that you  just stumble  across
Everyone that   comes here has a reason .
Those that  choose to believe in OU  will find  more reasons to believe on this site.
Those that  come here to make fun of  ideas that they  find ignorant   will find  more ways to make fun of  other peoples ideas  here.
You  are not likely  to  change  any of  the  basic  ideas of either  group .

For  the most part I   try to ignore the people that just come here to argue .
When I see  someone  with an idea  that looks good or a question  that I might  be able to help with ....... I will put in my 2 cents  worth ..........of course  at times it may only be worth  1/2 a cent ...............but that is life   

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And it seems that though Jack is skilled in the art of self deception (believing that as you say a subjective inconsistency is more solid that proof) he is compared to the others an open mind and not seemingly out to disprove it.

self deception ?

I don't think so.

I think  that  Jack just  loves to argue .....and he is very good at it .

What better place to argue than a place where people have passion for what they  are trying to do .

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Just acquired a ramset masonry anchor as recommended by hoptoad for the cores, and as I went to get it guess who is right next door to my Mitre10? The previous location of the Ramset factory and present location of their wharehouse!  What are the chances!
I am going to visit their (nearby) factory to see if I can just buy the piece I want.
Sadly though it seems their current design is slightly less optimal than when hoptoad was buying them. (short sleeve in 2 pieces)

good luck with your project     


gary

Quote from: aether22 on March 06, 2008, 08:33:49 PM
Look mom... I'm a rainbow!!!

Oh look at me, I'm quoting!  Oh, wait. here's you talking again:

QuoteIt's getting puke making almost, luckily I can heavily prune it.

Well, it's certainly hard to read, with all the "I'm red and Thane is fuschia" business going on.  Maybe try quoting instead?

QuoteI actually think this would be a good test though personally there are other things I believe are far more critical, but still it would be helpful.

Yes, it does clearly separate the speakers -- almost as though it was designed for that purpose.  It even puts others' comments in a diminuitive font SO I DON'T HAVE TO YELL.

Good Luck,

Mr. Entropy

Sorry Ent

I guess it's because I have been heavily using a customly coded forum and one of the bugs is it dumps all quotes at the top of the page no matter where you put them.

Quote from: JustMe on March 06, 2008, 03:40:39 PM

...this is the first time a force previously associated exclusively with system losses has been identified as a potential booster.  Thus the focus on the interaction between the motor and the generator without consideration for overall system efficiency at this time.

There is no evidence that it is a "potential booster". The device with the magnets and the coils imposes a very strong load on the motor - a load strong enough in some circumstances to stall the motor completely, as reported in the experiments. Certain changes to the device and coils, such as coupling some of its magnetic flux back into the motor through the steel shaft, relieve that wasteful load somewhat so the motor goes faster and wastes less power. Introducing a 50% power loss (say) and then making changes to it that reduce those losses to 45% (say) is NOT any kind of "booster" - unless you can see any other logic in this?