Quote from: OilBarren on March 21, 2008, 05:28:09 PM

THIS IS THE ENTIRE POINT THE LAW OF CONSERVATION OF ENERGY, LENZ'S LAW AND THE WORK ENERGY PRINCIPLE AND OTHER PHYSICS LAWS ALL SAY IT SHOULD REQUIRE MORE WORK - BUT IT DOES NOT.

But it's not a mystery in the example of the car/brake/gas so why is it such a mystery in this case? The two situations are exactly analogous...

Quote from: OilBarren on March 21, 2008, 02:34:24 PM

POLAR - DO YOU WORK FOR NASA BY ANY CHANCE?
Thane

Is that North American Skeptics Association?

LOOK at PB he got a promotion  sporting another star!!!

Quote from: polarbreeze on March 21, 2008, 07:49:37 PM

Quote from: OilBarren on March 21, 2008, 06:29:24 PM

THE ONLY REAL AND TRUTHFUL DIFFERENCE IS WHEN YOU ADD A 3" STEEL BAR
BETWEEN THE MOTOR AND THE BRAKE

Of course, it doesn't alter the fact that ALL the input power is being turned into heat.

PB:  I get it, and the power REQUIRED to keep the motor AND generator turning at several hundred RPMs against bearing friction, air turbulence, etc. must be coming from where?  Yeah, the hidden Sterling engine, lithium batteries, and all the other things that Thane is hiding in this thing.

-Mark

Quote from: OilBarren on March 21, 2008, 08:28:09 AM
Thane, just to verify it is as we speak "In the mail" right?
I'd also note that if you can tell me what I'd need to prepare first I should be able to get it up and running sooner.
At any rate I will be out of town for about a week from the 3rd of April.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU ALREADY HAVE - BUT IN ADDITION TO THE ROTOR YOU WILL NEED:

A.  MOTOR W/ 1/2 INCH ARBOR
B.  A GENERATING COIL
C.  A MULTIMETER OR 2
D.  A VARIAC OR FAN SPEED CONTROL

1: Did you include a coupler? (I guess you would have since initially you were also going to send the motor also)

NO I DID NOT YOU CAN MAKE YOUR OWN OUT OF PVC PIPE OR COPPER ETC.

2:  I guess I need to add (a pair of?) of bearings to the shaft (and stand) to hold it in place, then just place my stator coil/s around the rotor and go?
OR JUST PUT THE ROTOR DIRECTLY ON THE MOTOR AS powerunlimited DID.
YOU ONLY NEED ONE STATOR COIL TO GET THE EFFECT.

So I need x2 half inch (ID) bearings for the shaft?
THAT GOES WITHOUT SAYING

Basically if you can detail anything I might need to buy or build that I can do before it arrives that would be appreciated, want to get experimentation done before my trip, if you are too busy to detail such that's cool too, you have helped me more than I would have ever imagined already and I intend to make you very glad you have.
PUT ME IN YOUR WILL - I'LL TAKE THE 10,000 ACRE SHEEP FARM, THANKS

Also do you know how great the gap between steel shaft pieces can be before the effect goes away? Is light touching strongly encouraged or is a very tiny sub millimeter gap Ok? (I suppose since a plexiglass rotor works it must be Ok?)
YOU WILL HAVE TO EXPERIMENT AND FIND THE ONE THAT SUITS YOUR SETUP BEST.

Thanks, Oh and

Well I've got A thru D already.

But if you could provide any details on the PVC, did you manage to find some with a 1/2 inch ID? (not sure they make it that small)
If larger what did you use to fill it up?
And what makes it rotate with the motor? a grub screw?

2 out of 3 of my mechanical designs don't work so a design that I know is good would be appreciated. For instance I have tried to replicate this twice, one design having wobble due to imperfections in threads and nuts (despite it being the same method bench grinders hold the disk on with) and the other destroyed it's self (well the hose) because the otherwise well known hose coupling method does not work to support an unsupported steel piece.

I even tried to use the hose without the steel piece, but because I felt it a requirement to have the motor and generator shaft extremely close they ended up grinding on each other as they rotated, this along with knowing that a better solution is on the way made me abandon that already compromised approach. (I very much want to replicate it with and without full steel shaft test)

Obviously I will make or buy a solution eventually but your design details would be much appreciated.