Quote from: JustMe on March 25, 2008, 12:12:46 AM

I disagree.  I think Aether's proposed experiments and others that alter the configuration are very valuable as potential sources of information on the qualitative properties of this affect.  I think it's an excellent line of parallel inquiry.  I look forward to his results.

I look forward to them too. Provided they actually do include a complete set of actual measurements. In my opinion, though, jumping around from one configuration to another without measuring or analyzing any one of them properly will result in a bunch of inconclusive anecdotal material which will not help move us to a proper knowledge of what's going on.

PB

Quote from: aether22 on March 25, 2008, 12:17:06 AM

Quote from: polarbreeze on March 25, 2008, 12:06:02 AM

The problem, Aether, is that you keep trying to change the configuration of the system. All that does is introduce new unknowns that add to the complexity of analysis. There is ALREADY a defined configuration of the system which displays this effect. Several people have duplicated it. It's known. It's stable. So don't keep trying to mess with it. The first priority should be to measure, study, analyse that system as it stands right now. IMHO.

PB

All I hear is a spook going 'please don't learn more about this!'

What you "hear" is in your imagination. What I am actually saying is that by not following a careful process of complete measurement and analysis you're not going to be able to learn more about this and it will remain foggy. Some people prefer fog because it allows the imagination to enjoy mysteries that aren't really there; others are primarily intent on finding the solution to the mysteries.

PB

Quote from: vince on March 25, 2008, 12:14:26 AM
Larry

I'm using alternate north south magnets. I've tried the test at all speed settings and with the large coil it always shows about 1 gram increase.
To improve the results I think I need a heavier rotor, stronger magnet and better coils.

Vince

Thanks Vince,

Please don't allow any of the noise on this forum to change your planned improvements. You are doing great. I hope to catch up.

Best of luck,
Larry

Quote from: aether22 on March 24, 2008, 11:42:26 PM

The real question (despite the aether .vs magnetic field question being dearer to me) that needs to be answered most is how can a motors torque and speed increase while the input current drops.

That is indeed a good question, Aether. Now Vince has figured out how to measure torque, a whole new area of investigation becomes open to us. This is brilliant, well done Vince!

The obvious experiment to do will be, first, to remove the Thane device completely from the system and conduct a characterization exercise on the motor using a simple variable mechanical load (thus removing all electromagnetic loading effect, or aether forces or whatever). Apply the variable mechanical load to the motor. Characterize it over the same range of rpm's that are being observed in the main experiment. Plot on a graph the input current versus torque and speed. This gives an unambiguous measure of the motor's behavior without the device in the picture. Then with the device reinstalled, the performance can be compared against this baseline. The difference will be attributable to the electromagnetic or aethereal impact on the system.

This would be GREAT - it's completely unambiguous and I'm sure everyone would agree with that.

ADDED: The result will be something like this link http://polk-burnett.apogee.net/pd/dmcs.asp - note that at low rpm it's absolutely normal for torque and speed to rise while current falls. I think we can conclude that the device is simply a magnetic brake after all.

PB

polarbreeze, phase angle? What do mean by that or should I ask, what is a phase angle?