The Gabriel Device, possible COP=8

[JouleSeeker]

...I just dropped 1600 feet of 21 awg on this M-117, Ill have it in the shell after I edit up some video and make a commercial for the church Good luck!

Very much looking forward to your results, Mav! 
Seems like most are using 16 AWG wire... any reason you went with 21AWG?  Also, is your shell one of the "exhaust manifold donuts", soft steel?    I wonder if there is something out there with higher magnetic permeability...

I like this toroid-within-a-toroid design -- very intriguing approach.  Best wishes on your build!
Steve

[Mavendex]

Very much looking forward to your results, Mav! 
Seems like most are using 16 AWG wire... any reason you went with 21AWG?  Also, is your shell one of the "exhaust manifold donuts", soft steel?    I wonder if there is something out there with higher magnetic permeability...

I like this toroid-within-a-toroid design -- very intriguing approach.  Best wishes on your build!
Steve

I wanted to see if mass had anything to do with the formula, so we have more turns on the secondary which will give us more voltage, less mass to magnetize which should help in lowering overall input and mabye (increase output), just a hypothesis. 1 or 2 amps and 1000 volts The magnetic field has to go somewhere it just doesn't stop going

The Shell is the one I had made at L&S same steel stuff, it works I like it. More sooner than later we will get our permalloy shell done up, they are such pains sometimes to get a one off done.

[Magluvin]

Hey Mav

Ive gotten some materials in to give the tube style idea a go. ;]
  It would be good if it has any hope, due to easier builds and especially while experimenting.

Just wanted to ask. What is the lowest no. of turns on the sec have you tried?     Just wondered as being that the ratios do not end up with conventional transformers, if having lower sec, is the voltage out the same as many more turns? Amps?    Im thinking with less turns, there may be less saturation of the inner core, possibly allowing more sec current while keeping away from the primary.

Just got done fiddling with a peltier chip project, 3 amp 12v.  I tell ya what, 60w 12v 5a total to run the chip and 2 newer style cpu sinks w/ fans, it blows some cold air.  Lunch box a/c .   My buddy is considering scaling up for his Montycarlo.

Mags 

[DeepCut]

Clanzer is working on a replication also, it's especially worth a look because David K. provided us with some pictures of his build at various stages :

http://www.overunity.org.uk/showthread.php?2495-Two-Toroid-Over-Unity-Gabriel-Device

[SchubertReijiMaigo]

@ All: just finished to wind my 35 turns...
Made some test at 12 VAC 50 Hz, in short the result was exactly the same of the precedent EXP...

Some remind of the protocol (Vers 1.3)
1) Same turns number primary and secondary.
2) Same bulbs and same filament...
3) Same input generator (test with amplifier will be tomorrow, because now I'm tired and the end of the day...)
4) Winding is BOTH CW, BUT winding direction is different (the inner core is toward the INTERIOR and the outer core is toward the EXTERIOR...)


So like Mav said above a version with high voltage will be preferred, if not then phase difference phenomena and increase thickness shell, I wait for my 2kg 16 AWG magnet wire...

@ Mav: 1600 feet by hand: a new record 
You should be have a high voltage here, but did you notice the poor voltage regulation at the secondary if you place a heavy load voltage start to droop, if you place more heavy load or short circuit the primary start to draw some current also !!!

@ Mag:

Im thinking with less turns, there may be less saturation of the inner core, possibly allowing more sec current while keeping away from the primary.

Common mistake about trafo: no, less turns into primary will saturate the inner also, because of the nature of AC input which is totally different from DC magnetisation, more turns = more inductance = more impedance = lesser current = lesser magnetisation of the core...

And saturation of the inner core give me bad result with my current version (more current flowing in the primary bulb than the  secondary one then wasted energy)