Bessler , Karl I! The fat lady is gonna sing , haters bring it I'm not skeered .

[johnny874]

yeah... those who were wrapped up in astrology, ghosts, bloodletting and such? those guys who just a generation earlier laughed at galileo? and it would take another generation before those same 'critical minds' laughed at sadi carnot...

now, where's that math from these "great mathematicians" you spoke of?

 

well then it should be easy to build shouldn't it... why don't you have a working bessler wheel? look at what you do have: a perpetual motion machine 'powered by weights and gravity' whose secrets are now lost. you have no evidence how bessler’s wheel was powered, it could have been clockwork, or a heat engine, or a well fed koala in a wheel. bessler is an interesting piece of historical arcana, nothing more.

  Wilby,
Liebniz was a contemporary of Newtons and co-invented calculus.
read for yourself.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gottfried_Leibniz

[WilbyInebriated]

  Wilby,
Liebniz was a contemporary of Newtons and co-invented calculus.
read for yourself.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gottfried_Leibniz

so what? as far as i am aware gottfried never inspected this wheel, he only got a letter from gravesande describing it... where is his math on how and why the 'invention' works?

[johnny874]

so what? as far as i am aware gottfried never inspected this wheel, he only got a letter from gravesande describing it... where is his math on how and why the 'invention' works?

  Wilby,
It's a matter of understanding the mechanics. If you consider Mt21, do you think it would work ?
Of course not, both sdes are equal. No over or under balance. but then, everyone has been missing something.
If the levers are thought of as pendulums, then what is being over looked ? It's the torque they generate at their fulcrums. Apparently Bessler understood this.
With torque, 1 ft.lb. can lift 1 lb., 1 ft. With solid weights, it requires equal motion or movement. With hydraulics,
the movement does not need to be equal. With a pump, as I have mentioned, if a lever drops a matter of inches, it can move fluids a greater distance.
With Mt 21, the weights moving downward would be considered along the lines of mv^2 and the weights moving accross the top would not. This is because they would fall onto the hub and have a much slower velocity. Also, when a weight is hanging from it's fulcrum, it's movement sidewise would be the same as it's fulcrum, it would be ma/tangent.
With Bessler's wheel, I think it's better understood if you consider that a falling weight can pump up water to a greater height and the faster the wheel rotates, the better it pumps.
With the video I made, there is a bottle neck at the outlet. It's primitive but shows water can be pumped quite easily.
To build a wheel using such a concept requires almost having a wood shop. A band saw would be helpful believe it or not.
It would make bulding it much easier because warping boards is not as easy as you think.

                                                                                       Johnny874
note the weight even lands on something
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h33LqXPCdV4

p.s. take a day or 2 to think about it

edited to add; if you consider the weighted lever drops 3 or 4 inches
and the water moves over 12 inches, I think that's a nice ratio

[WilbyInebriated]

MY GAWD! you've invented the lever! good show old chap...

[johnny874]

MY GAWD! you've invented the lever! good show old chap...

  I think this is why if I get in to see my doctor tomorrow, I'll probably be done with this.
No time to consider somethng, just ignorant comments.
Of course, on ships they use sequential pumping systems, but that's not in your text book, is it ?