Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE

[RandyFL]

Hello All...
Let me be the first to weigh in on the Last comment...
I too thought about the divergence from Fiquera to this type of experimentation...but in essence I haven't seen anybody that has come in with a working model of the " Figuera " or the knowledge of a working model... Even when Patrick was answering my emails He stated that no one had reproduced the figuera exactly like the representation on His website...
Hence...if what ramaswami has to offer brings me closer to getting results to the figuera so be it...
I welcome everybody that has some thing to offer...

RandyFL
ps besides the traffic is moving at a snails pace anyway :-)

[JohnMiller]

@marathonman
At first glance you might be right. If you reread the posts of Nramaswami (what I do just now) you will find his reference to functional principle of e.g. Figuera devices not being disclosed in the patents. Hence the Ramaswami device might be much closer to Figuera than expected at first glance - if we grasp it. Read his first post http://www.overunity.com/12794/re-inventing-the-wheel-part1-clemente_figuera-the-infinite-energy-machine/msg387668/#msg387668 being dedicated to Figuera only.
Quote:  "I can confirm that we built an exact replica of Figuera and it did not work and then we modified it and the device worked perfectly well in that the output current was far higher than the input."
And please keep polite. Your insult is neither suitable nor true.

[forest]

I don't think that hijacking this thread for posting real data about real device is a bad thing. The only problem is when people waste time with impolite comments and flooding thread with useless data.
We should learn from each other rather then fight ...
I have a question about NRamaswami device and/or Figuera device : is output the DC kind and if it could be DC then how to protect this kind of circuits ? I assume something which I need confirmation : if such output is connected to big capacitor electrolytic as storage and then negative part of all circuit is grounded then it can be safer ? I mean - this way the only way to be killed is by connecting positive output of device ?? Is that an improvement ? How such DC kind circuits could be protected against incidental current thought the body of experimenter - I'm insterested much in this knowledge , please help . I' working with other devices but all of them works the best with DC output.

[RandyFL]

Hello All...
Welcome aboard JohnMiller...
If I may ask where or when you were employed ( the reason I ask is everybody that I have come in contact on the traditional side of energy has laughed or scoffed at free energy )...as you state you're well informed in free energy ( have you had success in the ZPE field )...my 84 yr old electronic engineer friend had died 2 Christmases before I finished building my circuit for the figuera transformers... He frowned upon free energy... An acquaintance that I just met is a professor at a University... who stated that my best option is to use electrical steel instead of the metal that I have been using... the metal ( iron mixed with something else ) that I am using is very strong but it magnetizes easily and drops paper clips as soon as the electricity is turned off... so I'm leery of traditional science...per se. Since you're in the business whats your view of iron and/or other metals...lastly whats your view of gaps in iron?

RandyFL
   

[NRamaswami]

Iron used was soft iron. What type..I do not know..

Secondary wire should be at leat as thick as primary or thicker than primary. I have used about 30-35 kgms of wire in each primary core or more.

Output is AC or it can be pulsed DC. Input can be AC or pulsed DC or if you use a rotary device DC also. Output can be converted to DC.

Please read Figueras patent and focus on the principle and not on the example given.

Let me quote Figuera Here again from http://www.alpoma.net/tecob/?page_id=8258 and I assume that the Translation was done by Hanon.

Quote Begin....

"The voltage from the total current of the current dynamos is the sum of partial induced currents born in each one of the turns of the induced. Therefore it matters little to these induced currents if they were obtained by the turning of the induced, or by the variation of the magnetic flux that runs through them; but in the first case, a greater source of mechanical work than obtained electricity is required, and in the second case, the force necessary to achieve the variation of flux is so insignificant that it can be derived without any inconvenience, from the one supplied by the machine.

Until the present no machine based on this principle has been applied yet to the production of large electrical currents, and which among other advantages, has suppressed any necessity for motion and therefore the force needed to produce it.
In order to privilege the application to the production of large industrial electrical currents, on the principle that says that "there is production of induced electrical current provided that you change in any way the flow of force through the induced circuit," seems that it is enough with the previously exposed; however, as this application need to materialize in a machine, there is need to describe it in order to see how to carry out a practical application of said principle.

This principle is not new since it is just a consequence of the laws of induction stated by Faraday in the year 1831: what it is new and requested to privilege is the application of this principle to a machine which produces large industrial electrical currents which until now cannot be obtained but transforming mechanical work into electricity.

Let's therefore make the description of a machine based on the prior principle which is being privileged; but it must be noted, and what is sought is the patent for the application of this principle, that all machines built based on this principle, will be included in the scope of this patent, whatever the form and way that has been used to make the application.

DESCRIPTION OF GENERATOR OF VARIABLE EXCITACION "FIGUERA"

The machine comprise a fixed inductor circuit, consisting of several electromagnets with soft iron cores exercising induction in the induced circuit, also fixed and motionless, composed of several reels or coils, properly placed. As neither of the two circuits spin, there is no need to make them round, nor leave any space between one and the other.

Here what it is constantly changing is the intensity of the excitatory current which drives the electromagnets"

Quote End-----------------------------

So this is where you have not considered the requirement of several reels of coils. The coils should be properly placed is another requirement. This placement of several reels of coils will create a varying magnetic flux or a rotating magnetic field through the input.

Figuera gives an example of a device which uses resistances and a rotary contact device. The input was from a battery and the circuit and the rotary switch made the direct current to behave like an alternatiing current. Since I gave from the mains the need for resistances and rotary switch was removed. The rotary switch and circuit would be needed if we use a battery to power the circuit but it is very cumbersome and sparks come out of the contacts unless the device is very slowly rotated. Doing so would reduce the frequency of the electricity generated and how to bring it to 50Hz is another problem. Of course by increasing the number of contact switches even at 1 RPM we can have a 50 Hz current but it all costs a lot of money. Feeding from the battery creates another problem of low voltage. It works like the input from a step down transformer. Low Voltage High Amperage leading to core magnetization. This is what would normally be done. Here Figuera hides his trade secret by using the term reels of coils that are properly placed.

I have used in the primary shown about 800 meters of wires in my estimation. It can be from 720-800 meters of wires. When properly connected this can give an output of about 900 volts and 30 Amps at the output. 

I have posted some pictures and will avoid posting here.

Mr. John Miller says that we need to unlearn...Not necessarily..Keep an open mind.. If you look at a solenoid you are taught that the maximum magnetic field strength of the solenoid is in the center of the solenoid. This is correct.

If you look at a motor repulsive forces are used to rotate the core in the center of the Motor. This is again correct.

Where we have gone wrong is that if you rotate the motor faster than the input current, the motor would start behaving like an Alternator or generator. So let us rotate the core to generate the current is the accepted norm. This is quite ridiculous..You can test this easily by winding a solenoid with the primary in the center and the secondary on the outside. What will happen? The secondary will be in the weakest portion of the magnetic field strength and so the secondary would produce less than the optimum. Try placing the secondary inside and primary outside and see the difference. In a generator the rotating part that induces current should have been placed at the outside and the generating part must be placed in the inside. But in our current machines we do it upside down.

But going upside down is beneficial to manufacturers of machines and this creates an endless demand for their products. Devices like the Figuera would enable any one to produce any amount of needed current any where in the world with a very minimum investment. So this knowledge is not taught..I have found that we need a theoretical input of 6 watts to a practically observed 110 watts to be the needed force to start the output. Output can be controlled to our desired needs. It can be any amount of electricity required. The device is modular in construction and can be scaled up to power large factories and power small homes. The problem is that the device weighs about 250 kgms at the minimum size out of which 80 kgms are just wires alone. These are thick wires and need to wound manually.

In general try to use as thick wires as possible. Thicker insulated wires have an advantage over magnet enamalled wires. I do not understand the science but we need to use thick, if possible very thick insulated wires.

I have not prevented any one from posting here and in one of my posts even corrected and guided Mr. Marathonman that if he uses identical poles he will get zero voltage. I do not think my posts appear to be useful to others. I would request the forum owner to delete all my posts and info provided by me. I was under the impression that this forum is intended to share the results of experiments done by each one so mistakes can be avoided.  I will ask Patrick to remove the information about the device from his book and I do not want any controversy.

Regards

Ramaswami