How to make multiple Kicks

[Farmhand]

I think there is part truth in a lot of we each are saying, I also think some of us are saying the same thing in different ways.

Happy to see a cool headed discussion.   

As far as Displacement "current" goes, maybe there is no flow of charge across the gap or dielectric or vacuum. Maybe it is as Milehigh kind of says, maybe the opposing charge accumulates on the plates of the capacitor kind of like "charging by induction" a depletion or increase of one sides charge causes an opposite charge to rush to the other plate, but if there is a flow of charge there is electric current of some kind, I think it's safe to say that. However that does not in my view automatically mean it must be electrons passing the charge. Although it would seem so.

Here Tesla describes the action of the local condenser on the bars of his patented Stout copper bars device.

Patent
http://www.google.com/patents/US462418

Quote, the part in bold is what he says happens at the condenser when it is "charged". Interesting choice of words. He knew when to say things like "presumably" and " it would seem as though". 

To understand the action of the local condenser E in Fig. 2, let a single discharge be first considered. This discharge has two paths offered-one to the condenser E, the other through the part L of the working circuit C. The part L, however, by virtue of its self-ind notion, offers a strong opposition to such a sudden discharge, while the condenser, on the other hand, offers no such opposition. The result is that practically no current passes at first through the branch I, but presumably opposite electricities rush to the condenser-coatings, this storing for the moment electrical energy in the condenser. Time -is gained by this means, and the condenser then discharges through the branch L, this process being repeated for each discharge occurring at D. The amount of electrical energy stored in the condenser at each; charge is dependent upon the capacity of the com denser and the potential of its plates. it is evident, therefore, that the quicker the discharges succeed each other the smaller for a given output need be the capacity of the .condenser and the greater is also the efficiency of the condenser. This is confirmed by practical results.

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[Tito L. Oracion]

Hi everyone 


its not really how to make multiple kicks the important is,
but how to convert  small kick into big kick with very thick flux. 


magnets is really helpful if you want a very thick flux,
cause all you just need to do is lengthen the flux of the magnet that is constant.   


multiple kicks can be achieve easily by speed ok.     


lets say in a discharging a cap in a coil:
how can you make kicks in a micro-microsecond.    got what i mean?



otits. 

[totoalas]

Hi everyone 


its not really how to make multiple kicks the important is,
but how to convert  small kick into big kick with very thick flux. 


magnets is really helpful if you want a very thick flux,
cause all you just need to do is lengthen the flux of the magnet that is constant.   


multiple kicks can be achieve easily by speed ok.     


lets say in a discharging a cap in a coil:
how can you make kicks in a micro-microsecond.    got what i mean?

REDUCE THE GAP TO ONE THOUSANDTH OF AN INCH>>>>>?

otits. 

[MileHigh]

Farmhand:

Maybe it is as Milehigh kind of says, maybe the opposing charge accumulates on the plates of the capacitor

I am surprised that you would state that because of all of the people around here I would have thought that you would have undertaken to learn these basic concepts about capacitors.

What is capacitance?  For starters you can say something like for a given amount of charge stored in the capacitor you get a certain amount of voltage across the capacitor.  So it would stand to reason for a larger capacitor you get a lower voltage across the capacitor for the same amount of stored charge.  Indeed that's true.

The formula for capacitance is C = Q/V.   Capacitance equals charge per unit of voltage.   If my capacitor is large then I know that it will store more charge for a given amount of voltage across it as compared to a smaller capacitor.

So the concept of a capacitor storing charge is one of the most fundamental concepts about how a capacitor works.

Not to pick on you Farmhand because I know that you do much more to inform yourself than the average experimenter, but it's almost shocking that you yourself and others have to be "convinced" that current flows into a capacitor and it ends up as charge on the capacitor plates.

By the same token, when you talk about capacitors and how they behave in a circuit, you have i = C dv/dt and v = 1/C integral i dt.

It's unfortunate that some people make grandiose statements and allude to "bigger things" and "new understandings" and yet they don't even understand how a capacitor works or how an inductor works.  What about personal integrity and and not making proclamations about stuff that you don't understand?  It's shocking sometimes.  It makes some postings nothing more than pure flights of fancy with nothing to back them up at all.

Anyway, that was a mini rant.  I have given up a long time ago to seriously try to educate people on the forums about electronics.  The world is literally at your fingertips these days so if you really want to you can invest the time and energy to learn the subject matter yourself so you can talk about it with authority.

MileHigh

[Reiyuki]

  Bruce:   Thanks for that excellent pointer; it really shows a simple, repeatable phenomena to experiment upon.

  Others:  I tried the simple one-wire kick experiment, and it does work.  A few interesting tidbits not yet mentioned:

- One-wire 'kicks' only show up when attached to Positive (+) lead of a square-wave function generator.  Attaching to (-) has no measurable effect.  Quite interesting..
- The kicks are clearly 'current-like' based on various orientations of the pickup coil.
- Wire mass seems as important as inductance or # of turns.  I got better results with a single turn of thick wire than with 10 turns of thin wire.
- The free-floating wire of your long-wire test returns more power when grounded or attached to rudimentary antenna.


-Rei