An interesting phenomenon I found

[MileHigh]

I note that people are expressing the same old themes about resonance and attributing something special to it.  It's a mistake and that mistake has been proven over and over right on this forum.  Then you have the belief that somehow this circuit is "unconventional" when again, this is not true.  Nor are there any standing waves, that's just another buzz word that people throw around.  Thinking that the core material makes a difference and is part of the "recipe" for over unity is also a mistake.

In looking at this circuit it appears that Q1 and Q2 and the L and C components around them form an oscillator that is powered by the battery.  L3 simply taps into the output of that oscillator and drives a load.

That's all there is to it.  If you measure properly you will not find any over unity.

Beyond that, what people really should do in cases like this is probe the circuit with an oscilloscope and construct a timing diagram that shows all of the voltages and currents in the circuit.  Then you undertake to understand how each and every signal interacts such that you understand exactly how the oscillator works.

I put it in bold because nobody ever does it but it must be done if you truly want to understand what is going in.  You just need a pencil and some graph paper and do it by hand if need be.  You do that and all the old cliches and buzz words will fall by the wayside and you will truly understand how the oscillator is working.  If nobody does that you can end up spinning your wheels for months and months and get nowhere fast.   That's what has been going on on the various Tariel threads for years.

MileHigh

[xenophed]

Think of it this way if I take two buckets and fill one with water and raise it above the other then the results would be that the water would drain into the other bucket. Now let us say that before the source bucket is empty we raise the other it would reverse and become the source bucket. The work performed is the raising of the bucket  the result would be the constant flow of water. We can do the same with the coils by charging one we build a field in both but once we stop charging it the field reverses and we do not fight this we amplify it we let the other collapsing coil do the work of building the field in the second with a little help from the transistor BUT this only works at resonance of the primary coils hence why they must use larger gauge wire( lower resonance frequency ) it really is that simple to understand the field will be about 80%~90% greater thus greater induction into the secondary windings. I induce more current from the primaries to the secondary by phase shifting by 180 degrees the two primary coils where the one collapses the collapse is the charge direction of the   other primary coil (as a side note the two coils have a capacitance that can be read with a lcr meter)

[Dave45]

I note that people are expressing the same old themes about resonance and attributing something special to it.  It's a mistake and that mistake has been proven over and over right on this forum.  Then you have the belief that somehow this circuit is "unconventional" when again, this is not true.  Nor are there any standing waves, that's just another buzz word that people throw around.  Thinking that the core material makes a difference and is part of the "recipe" for over unity is also a mistake.

In looking at this circuit it appears that Q1 and Q2 and the L and C components around them form an oscillator that is powered by the battery.  L3 simply taps into the output of that oscillator and drives a load.

That's all there is to it.  If you measure properly you will not find any over unity.

Beyond that, what people really should do in cases like this is probe the circuit with an oscilloscope and construct a timing diagram that shows all of the voltages and currents in the circuit.  Then you undertake to understand how each and every signal interacts such that you understand exactly how the oscillator works.

I put it in bold because nobody ever does it but it must be done if you truly want to understand what is going in.  You just need a pencil and some graph paper and do it by hand if need be.  You do that and all the old cliches and buzz words will fall by the wayside and you will truly understand how the oscillator is working.  If nobody does that you can end up spinning your wheels for months and months and get nowhere fast.   That's what has been going on on the various Tariel threads for years.

MileHigh

Maybe if you build it you can show us Pin and Pout, if not your just blowin smoke.
Someone who has not built the circuit and tested it for himself is not anymore believable than the one that has built the circuit and says there's more out than in.
If two or more build the circuit then we have confirmation one way or the other, but just going from thread to thread knocking every circuit they see and not building anything in my opinion is trolling.

[MileHigh]

Xenophed:

Think of it this way if I take two buckets and fill one with water and raise it above the other then the results would be that the water would drain into the other bucket. Now let us say that before the source bucket is empty we raise the other it would reverse and become the source bucket. The work performed is the raising of the bucket  the result would be the constant flow of water. We can do the same with the coils by charging one we build a field in both but once we stop charging it the field reverses and we do not fight this we amplify it we let the other collapsing coil do the work of building the field in the second with a little help from the transistor BUT this only works at resonance of the primary coils hence why they must use larger gauge wire( lower resonance frequency ) it really is that simple to understand the field will be about 80%~90% greater thus greater induction into the secondary windings. I induce more current from the primaries to the secondary by phase shifting by 180 degrees the two primary coils where the one collapses the collapse is the charge direction of the   other primary coil (as a side note the two coils have a capacitance that can be read with a lcr meter)

If you believe that you have a handle on what's going on in the circuit then please draw out a timing diagram for it and post it for people to have a look at.  Please show how the phase shift works.  Add traces for the amount of energy in each coil or whatever you want to do to explain how your circuit works.

Dave45:

It's not up to me to show Pin and Pout, the burden of proof for those things rests with Xenophed.  All that you have to do is look at the track record for previous circuits that are quite similar on this very forum to see a pattern.  They always end up not working as claimed even through the person making the claim can be totally sincere.

What is unfortunate is that people refuse to stand back and take a "meta view" for cases like this.  That view is that no matter what your circuit is based on any combination of resistors, transistors, coils, capacitors and transformers, you will never get more energy out than in because each individual component cannot give you more energy out than in and combining them together is not going to extract some "unknown energy source."  It might be a bitter pill to swallow but that doesn't necessarily mean that you can't look elsewhere for over unity or you can't play with circuits just for the fun of it.

These kinds of circuits are a dead end.  Please don't shoot the messenger.  If you believe otherwise, then go for it.  Constructing a timing diagram for these types of circuits is of paramount importance.  The verbal descriptions simply don't cut it and are ultimately form a kind of "communication fog" where people talk past each other in vague generalizations and both parties agree that they are saying something valid when it's not the case.  If you believe that you understand how a circuit works then draw out the timing diagram on paper for real, and then see if you can verify it with your scope.

MileHigh

[xenophed]

maybe this will help