Overunity electrolysis - 31 times more effective gas production than with DC

[Acca]

To steive1001  just as Les Banki has left overunity because he could not post here as he said in his post that being 80 years old he was attacked by MarkE as a self promoted chronic poster expert. 

He is NOT !

Any ordered debate is just an attack on the poor members trying to post here on overunity dot com ..
Just go back and read posts by these three Shills,  Tinselkoala, MarkE, and MileHigh.

Between them they represent 90  percent of all the posts here and all they do is just criticize all debate telling the people under the guise that they are incompetent by attacking their posts through dissection of their posted results.


I suggest that posting here is a lost waste of time  and it's open forum debate has been taken over by professional saboteurs, as Les Banki said and others...

Acca...

[ARMCORTEX]

Let the shills be, I am the defender of the shills

Weak potatoes will give themselves all excuses to not make anything.

Shills, the weather, sick cat, fluoride.

He who has reached the point of illumination needs no one, their monies will be fine.

He who comes here looking for gimme gimme schematic fast fast mmmmm burgers, and never think
or pay attention deserves only that, to be redirected into his proper place.

I wouldn't want regular people to know what I know, competition is bad, the world needs employees,
Not stubborn assholes like me.

Good work you shills, keep it up

[sparks]

    The 1s orbital of a hydrogen atom bonded to an oxygen atom is not the same as the 1s orbital of an unbound  hydrogen atom.  An electron in this 1s subshell is further away from the hydrogen nucleus as it is attracted to the oxygen nucleus also.  It is easier to ionize this electron than to ionize the same electron solely bound to the hydrogen atom.   The formation of hydrogen gas is the energy problem.  The two protons have to  form a covalent bond.  They have to pickup 2 electrons with opposite spins and then get close enough to form a covalent bond.  Best way to do that is right back with the oxygen atom with the original electrons ionized.  The only way to beat this heating of the water is to increase the field intensity.   This is done by increasing the voltage across the cell.  Unfortunately the field is only strong enough to ionize and accelerate the electrons very close to the cathode.
   Meyers claimed that the field was strong enough to warp the molecular electron configuration.  The electrons don't need to leave the molecule but shift away from the cathode with an increase in the polarization of the water molecule.  More electrons stay in the oxygen orbital than they do in the hydrogen orbital.  The charges on the cathode attracts the hydrogen end of the molecule while repelling the electrons toward the oxgyen end of the molecule.  At this point the 3 nuclides are all mutually repulsive.   This would cause an explosion of the water molecule.  Yielding 2 protons and 0-2 ion.  The protons are blown out of the molecule by the charge of the nuclei all being positive.  (coolumb explosion in liquid)   Now the field is relaxed.  Protons find themselves in an electron deprived enviroment and continue to drift apart.  The electrons redistribute round the oxygen atom.  This I get.  The part I don't get is how does the hydrogen form?  Or does it?   

[MarkE]

That idea does not seep particularly reasonable to me.  Set-up a field and it will polarize molecules that are in the field:  IE we can influence the orientation of the molecules.  Apply a stronger and stronger field gradient and eventually we ionize one or more atoms.  So, we get the molecule turned with the hydrogen atoms more or less parallel to the cathode, and there is some distortion, but the ionization energy is still far lower for the oxygen electrons than it is the hydrogen and we are back to ordinary electrolysis.  The same field  that pushes / pulls on the hydrogen electrons pushes / pulls on the oxygen electrons.  I think to get what you are talking about you have to be able selectively focus energy in the space of the hydrogen atoms. 

[sparks]

That idea does not seep particularly reasonable to me.  Set-up a field and it will polarize molecules that are in the field:  IE we can influence the orientation of the molecules.  Apply a stronger and stronger field gradient and eventually we ionize one or more atoms.  So, we get the molecule turned with the hydrogen atoms more or less parallel to the cathode, and there is some distortion, but the ionization energy is still far lower for the oxygen electrons than it is the hydrogen and we are back to ordinary electrolysis.  The same field  that pushes / pulls on the hydrogen electrons pushes / pulls on the oxygen electrons.  I think to get what you are talking about you have to be able selectively focus energy in the space of the hydrogen atoms.

    The hydrogen end of the water molecule at the cathode will be attracted to the metal in the cathode.  It forms a hydrogen bond to the cathode metal.   The electric field of the electrons in the metal extend through the passivated layer.  The electric field also shifts the molecular electrons away from the hydrogen end of the molecule.  The covalent bonds are temporarily weaker than the artificial hydrogen bond.  The nuclei of the oxygen atom and the two hydrogen atoms find no electrons neutralizing the oxygen proton charge.  The two hydrogen atoms therefore move away from the oxygen atom and each other.   The hydrogen atoms (now just protons) are less massive so they move relative to the oxygen protons.   They are now stuck to the cathode like ions in an electrolytic capacitor.  This is what creates the capacitance in the tank circuit that creates the field.  If you short out the capacitor into the inductor the protons no longer stick to the cathode because of the reduced charge on the cathode.  Something else has to happen to favor the production of hydrogen gas though otherwise you end up with a bunch of h30 and oh radicals and water.  Maybe some hydrogen peroxide  and hydrogen if your protons hit the electron end of another stressed out water molecule?