Overunity electrolysis - 31 times more effective gas production than with DC

[MarkE]

 
If the result at some stage is a colder temperature of the initial air and apparatus, there will be an exchange of energy from the surrounding air to the apparatus. This is regarded as Lead-out or Bring-in energy.

It is silly to speak of energy balance in only a portion of a cyclical process.

The simple water bottle rocket gets colder after firing. The Physics says - the rapid expansion of the compressed air used some of the kinetic energy of the air molecules. The molecular velocity will be lower. Hence the temperature becomes cooler. This is referred to as adiabatic expansion. Energy will be Brought-in from the surrounding to restore the temperature.

That is all fine and well but just like the simple water bottle rocket, if you are looking for a power generator, you need to evaluate the entire cycle.

The initial pumping of the compressed air uses X unit of energy. In the firing, the total energy used is X + Y units.  Y is initially borrowed from the sir molecules – making the air and apparatus cooler. Y units of surrounding energy come to the "Lead-out Energy" system to restore the temperature.

Please study the attached lead-out energy system diagram more.  It is correct Physics.

You keep neglecting to evaluate the entire cycle.  Your proposal does not lead to a workable free energy machine.

[ltseung888]

One experiment that needs to be confirmed is:

If Browns Gas were to be left alone for some hours in an enclosed bottle, it will no longer show the Implosion Effect.

One explanation is that the Browns Gas absorbs Electromagnetic Wave of some sort to convert itself to more like a mixture of hydrogen and oxygen gases.  Browns Gas can be thought of as a "half-way" product of electrolysis.  It will require additional energy to become a "full electrolysis" product.

Can anyone confirm that?

[ltseung888]

It is silly to speak of energy balance in only a portion of a cyclical process.That is all fine and well but just like the simple water bottle rocket, if you are looking for a power generator, you need to evaluate the entire cycle.You keep neglecting to evaluate the entire cycle.  Your proposal does not lead to a workable free energy machine.

The complete cycle for the water rocket is:
1. Fill bottle half full with water at room temperature.
2. Pump air in at room temperature (isothermal process) until pressure is P.  Energy supplied X units is PV.  V is the remaining volume of bottle.
3. Fire water rocket.
4. Get water bottle back and allow temperature to warm up to room temperature.  Energy (Y unit) is brought-in from the surrounding to warm up the bottle and the escaped cold air.
5. Back to step 1 to repeat the experiment.

The most important step to note is number 4.  External energy comes in to complete the cycle.  The Hidro (James Kwok) of Australia works on this principle.
http://pesn.com/2011/04/17/9501811_James_Kwoks_Hidro_Tech_Floating_to_the_Top/
A chamber is pumped with air isothermally.  It is fired up inside a water tube.  Energy is extracted.  The chamber is allowed to fall back, warmed by surrounding and repeat the cycle.  The isothermal pumping supplied X units of energy.  The Energy extracted theoretically can be X + Y where Y is the brought-in energy.

[MarkE]

The complete cycle for the water rocket is:
1. Fill bottle half full with water at room temperature.
2. Pump air in at room temperature (isothermal process) until pressure is P.  Energy supplied X units is PV.  V is the remaining volume of bottle.
3. Fire water rocket.
4. Get water bottle back and allow temperature to warm up to room temperature.  Energy (Y unit) is brought-in from the surrounding to warm up the bottle and the escaped cold air.
5. Back to step 1 to repeat the experiment.

The most important step to note is number 4.  External energy comes in to complete the cycle.  The Hidro (James Kwok) of Australia works on this principle.
http://pesn.com/2011/04/17/9501811_James_Kwoks_Hidro_Tech_Floating_to_the_Top/
A chamber is pumped with air isothermally.  It is fired up inside a water tube.  Energy is extracted.  The chamber is allowed to fall back, warmed by surrounding and repeat the cycle.  The isothermal pumping supplied X units of energy.  The Energy extracted theoretically can be X + Y where Y is the brought-in energy.

James Kwok's device does not work.  Where did you get the idea that it does?

[ltseung888]

 

James Kwok's device does not work. Where did you get the idea that it does?

James Kwok had a tough engineering job. I, as a Physicist, can just write equations on paper and talk about the adiabatic expansion.  He had to capture the energy on the way up and make sure that the losses were as low as possible.



He built a massive machine to capture a small amount of energy.  I congratulate him for his efforts.