The new generator no effect counter B. EMF part 2 ( Selfrunning )

[gotoluc]

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Hi Luc,

I wonder - is it magnetic attraction causing initial 83 watts to be used in your setup?
If the drill motor is causing that I bet it is best time to exchange it to smaller pulse motor which will consume less than 10 watts if magnetic attraction is not so big..

Also I have suspicion about geometry there - if the C core is passing magnet by approaching and leaving it directly on N/S poles vectors the magnetic force is largest.
To see what I am about get two very strong magnets, snap them together and try to separate them apart. You will see how much force is required just to do that. And if you start sliding them on the side the force required to separate them is much smaller.

Cheers!

Hi T-1000,

I made 3 videos to demonstrate and answer your questions.

First video is to explore magnetic cogging on the cores. As far as I'm concerned, the pull and push forces are equal so we should be breaking even when rotating the C core over the I cores less Eddy current losses in the cores.
Video demo: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lDR0lfv4BgU

Now lets explore the power needed just to turn the drill press and C core rotor.
Video Demo: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tXkNJZ9K_Ks

So with no I cores present we need       54 Watts
and with I cores present we needs         87 Watts

So we have 33 Watts needed to turn the C cores over the I cores.
Here is a video demo where I load the coil
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-LiYwiDrbMM

So we can get 5.3 Watts out of the coil plus we need to consider the coils DC Resistance of 1.3 Ohms which may represent another 4 Watts. So we can get 9.3 watts out plus the coil under load assists the rotor and drops the prime mover power by 4 Watts.

So we can account for 13.3 Watts! ... so where is the rest of the power going? 
There are other losses involve which we need to consider when using Iron or soft steel laminations. I think we may need to consider Iron Powder Cores! (keep in mind this is not hard like ferrite cores)
TinMan has made a great video to demonstrate steel lamination losses
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uAXtB_7RkEg

Share your thoughts.

Luc

[gotoluc]

Luc
What you need to achieve is very simple,and no need for all these exotic test's that some are saying is needed. You simply need to be able to draw that 5 watts from your DUT,and have the drill press motor draw the same amount of power as it dose when the DUT is not present. This will show a true no load situation. Now,if you can then get the drill press motor to draw less when you activate the P/out on your DUT,then you know you have a motoring effect happening there.

I am going to hold off for a while in posting my !no load generator!,but when the time is right,i will post it here. I have found a way to create this flux gate using an electromagnet insted of rotating chunks of iron/steel. I still have a laminated steel rotor,but that is to carry the secondary magnetic field.The down side is,i am not getting 5 watt's out,more like 1.5 watt's,but the good stuff happens on the input side.

Yes Brad, I agree and is how I have been seeing it for some time now and why when I first shared my test device in this topic I said not to jump to conclusions until I'm satisfied with the input power.

I have some Large Iron Powder E core coming to me soon and that will be the make or break of this device.

I'm happy you're experimenting with an electromagnet instead of the PM as that may be the way to correctly make this device work as that was the way the originator of this topic did it.
Interestingly I was going to suggest that yesterday but forgot, so you beat me to it mate!
I was thinking the electromagnet could be connected to the output coil but have an AC cap in series which could give it a phase shift for the timing to work out?
There are so many things that still need to be tested.

Thanks for sharing mate!

Luc

Luc

[gotoluc]

I have designed so simpler device to experiment.
lumen also can do it

I like this very much!

Thank you thngr for taking the time to share this!
Electromagnets are also a good idea!!!

Luc

[MileHigh]

Luc:

Brad is way off the mark like I explained in my posting to him.

The power dissipated in the coil resistance is not 4 watts.  I leave it to you to correct yourself or one of your peers on this thread or on the EF forum thread to correct you.  I view this failure of people to correct each other on the forums as an almost kind of malignant sickness.  Errors are made, nobody says anything, and then they propagate to the next steps in the process, screwing things up.  Somebody needs to fix this error.

When you made the wattage reading for the free spinning C-cores (no contact with the I-core) was the RPM about the same as when you did the other two tests?  If not, don't you think you might get a better baseline for comparison if the RPM is the same?

One more time, your manipulations with your power numbers don't really make sense to me.

Here is the challenge for you, and for all of your peers in this thread and on the EF thread.

Where is the input power from the mains going for your various tests?   Your Kill-a-Watt power reading is telling you how much power the entire system is drawing from the mains.  So where is that power going within the system?  Completely forget what you just stated a few postings ago with your additions/subtractions, etc, and start from scratch.

So that's my challenge to you and to all interested parties on both forums.  Wipe the slate clean and start over.  Can you make an estimate of where the input power is going?  Even if you have to make some assumptions, that's fine.

All of you please put your thinking caps on and try to figure this out.  Luc just did a new round of tests for the new configuration and some data was recorded.  With that data can you try to make an estimate of where the mains input power is going?

That's really what your testing is all about.  Where is the power going?

MileHigh

[gotoluc]

The magnets have to be stationary and the rotor is switching magnetic field. In your design the magnets are moving which are no different than in conventional generator.

Cheers!

Humm ...  where do you see the electromagnets are moving?