The new generator no effect counter B. EMF part 2 ( Selfrunning )

[Jimboot]

This is the effect I find fascinating and what has me intrigued with this generator. Mucking about with the neutral zone. http://youtu.be/4OSXbG2BmUw hopefully someone finds it helpful. It's also what t is talking about in his solid stae version if I'm not mistaken.

[Jimboot]

Just testing the new rig. Lots of work to do https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dhc0aF1TuGA

[tinman]

Timman, I am surprised at reading this from you, you seem to be all over the map.  You can't take Lenz drag and convert it into Tinman's push!  It doesn't work like that.  Any time you state something radical like that you would have to back it up with some hard experimental evidence.  The "speed of a magnetic field" is the speed of light.

The slow speed of the collapse of a magnetic field around a coil when discharging through a low resistance load has absolutely nothing to do with the speed of a magnetic field's propagation into 3D space, which is the speed of light.

I am really surprised that you wrote the above.  The orientation remains the same, and it has nothing to do with the voltage at all.  It is the direction of current that determines the orientation of the magnetic field.  It's like you are rolling back the clock five years here.  You have to know this stuff by now.

MileHigh

Why cant i convert the lenz force into TinMan's push . The lenz force can be a push or a pull on both a fixed or rotating magnetic field. First you have to look at what causes the lenz force to occur,which we know in the case of both transformers and generators to be a magnetic field that apposes that which created it. For this to happen,there has to be a current flowing through an inductor.So how do you delay that force?,well you simply delay the current flow through the inductor. We have seen this many times here in way of the voltage and current phase shift. We all know that in order to obtain a voltage across an inductor a varying magnetic field must be passed through that inductor. This is also true to obtain a current flow through that inductor. So what is happening when the current is lagging the voltage by 90* for example ? It is current flow through an inductor that creates the magnetic field-not voltage,and yet a magnetic field cutting through the inductor creates both voltage and current. If the current is delayed,then so is the lenz force.

I am well aware that the slow speed of the collapsing magnetic field has nothing to do with the propagation speed of the magnetic field. My point there was(think) speed up under load . Now what would happen to the rotor of a pulse motor if the magnetic field from the inductor was to remain longer ?-->yes,thats right,more push or pull on the rotors magnets for a longer period of time-->speed up under load

Now-the last quote of yours above.
This was a question i was asking TJ(and anyone else into pulsed inductor systems),it wasnt a question i was asking for my self. I am well aware that the magnetic field remains the same when the field is collapsing around the inductor when the inductors power supply is abruptly interupted. So no-no time travel there MH.

I must ask MH,do you believe that the delay of the lenz force is from extensive reserch you your self have done,or is it just because of what others tell you,or you have read in book's?. If the lenz force is created from current flowing through a generator coil(we are using a PM generator here as an example),and we can offset that current to the voltage across that generator coil,why then is the lenz force also not offset?.If the current is offset to the voltage,then so to is the lenz force offset to the voltage.

I would be more than happy to throw together a simple generator and show you lenz delay.First we could look at the power draw of the prime mover when loading the generator coil itself,and then we could look at the power draw of the prime mover with the lenz delay circuit in place.

[MarkE]

Take an induced voltage across a conductor,  route that to a resonant tank.  At resonance the phase shifts incrementally by 180 degrees but the absolute phase is limited between +90 degrees and -90 degrees.  In other words, in the best possible case for a sinusoidal source, the current becomes completely reactive and the net effect is almost no added drag.

Or you could try things a different way:  You could take the induced current, store that energy and then use that energy to replenish the original source or drive some "helper".  Again the best case is that the effective drag goes nearly to but never quite to zero.

The least "Lenz" drag occurs when there is no Faraday induction at all.

[T-1000]

The least "Lenz" drag occurs when there is no Faraday induction at all.

Just a side note:
This drag is the design issue. Using single magnet polarity against coil which is flipping polarities as magnetic field moves is the cause. There is solution which was shown already by few people here.
The Lenz force is resulting from induced magnetic field in coils and has to be in place for all generators...