The new generator no effect counter B. EMF part 2 ( Selfrunning )

[gotoluc]

Hi guys,

My experiments with syairchairun setup showed low output no mater what you do, which is actually right!!. If you do the math or the experiments, you will see that the output will be at 5-15% of what you expecting. And its perfectly logical.

I think Syairchairun give us wrong diagrams. Well I am 100% sure now..  Because I think I got it 

After days and days of thinking and reading and experimenting, as most of you guys do here, just yesterday night I came up with a new idea..

At my first experiments of this new idea I notice: 1)Great power output!, 2) no braking effect with shorted coil! 3)easy to rotate.

It will be at a new thread. I am building a prototipe... I ll be back

Sounds interesting l0stf0x.

Looking forward to seeing your idea

Thanks for sharing

Luc

[gotoluc]

Did you also factor in the losses in the coil itself when you say 5 watts going to the load?

No I did not

Can you explain how you get 10 watts not accounted for?

Prime mover starts at 120W just spinning the C core with no I cores in site.
We add the I cores with open coil, prime mover now uses 140W
So 20W is used to circulate Flux in the cores.  We now load the coil and prime mover drops by 5W and load on coil delivers 5W (2.25vrms on 1 Ohm load), so we deduct this from our 20W and we are left with 10W. True we have about 4 watts of losses in the 1.3 Ohm DC Resistance of the coil so we have about 6W which could be core Eddies and heat losses?

I had not added those losses. Do you think this looks realistic?

Luc

[MileHigh]

Luc:

I must have posted about five times over the past 10 days that you have to measure the resistive losses in the coil itself if you want to do a serious power analysis.  That especially applies for a low value of load resistor.

Your logic for your power analysis makes no sense to me.  Also, why didn't you share that when you first posted?  You can't possibly take it for granted that people would know what you were thinking.  If you are going to do some kind of analysis you have to explain to your audience your reasoning and what you are doing.

So why don't you take another crack at it?  From what I understand your setup is in line with the original clip that started this thread.  So perhaps your peers like T-1000 and others that are following this thread can help you out.

MileHigh

[tinman]

Prime mover starts at 120W just spinning the C core with no I cores in site.
We add the I cores with open coil, prime mover now uses 140W
So 20W is used to circulate Flux in the cores.  We now load the coil and prime mover drops by 5W and load on coil delivers 5W (2.25vrms on 1 Ohm load), so we deduct this from our 20W and we are left with 10W. True we have about 4 watts of losses in the 1.3 Ohm DC Resistance of the coil so we have about 6W which could be core Eddies and heat losses?

I had not added those losses. Do you think this looks realistic?

Luc

Luc-please watch this test. You need ferrite core's,as steel laminated core's are shocking,even at low rpm.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uAXtB_7RkEg

[Jimboot]

Luc-please watch this test. You need ferrite core's,as steel laminated core's are shocking,even at low rpm.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uAXtB_7RkEg

Hey brad in my experiments the ferrite did not work nearly as well as steel laminates. It was explained by arenas and Matt that it's because the poles can't as flip as fast. I'm trying to work out where to get soft iron like syair used. Paul Babcock swears by steel shot but its a bit hard to get in melbourne.