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How to deal with those that add nothing to the forum

Started by citfta, December 31, 2015, 07:05:10 AM

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RomanEmpire

how to deal? Ask them to use the scientific method and stick to it to refute the others tei. If they do not build the apparatus that they are saying that "it is a scam" (or if they are unable to do so) can not refute any argument, or at least they did not care about the scientific method and are not credible

MileHigh

Quote from: RomanEmpire on January 05, 2016, 05:14:46 PM
how to deal? Ask them to use the scientific method and stick to it to refute the others tei. If they do not build the apparatus that they are saying that "it is a scam" (or if they are unable to do so) can not refute any argument, or at least they did not care about the scientific method and are not credible

It's more like the person pitching the free energy device has to use the scientific method.  Make a credible demonstration showing transparency and credible measurements.  Have your device replicated by three independent parties where they also present credible data.

The burden of proof lies with the person presenting the free energy device.

MileHigh

Here are some YouTube clips that are somewhat related to this topic that are good food for thought.

What is open-mindedness?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T69TOuqaqXI

Important issues related to freedom of speech:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9vVohGWhMWs

Is there a similarity between "social justice warriors" and "free energy warriors?"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G5MPzQnokMU

See attached follow-up statement from Melissa Click.

TinselKoala

Quote from: RomanEmpire on January 05, 2016, 05:14:46 PM
how to deal? Ask them to use the scientific method and stick to it to refute the others tei. If they do not build the apparatus that they are saying that "it is a scam" (or if they are unable to do so) can not refute any argument, or at least they did not care about the scientific method and are not credible

You have it exactly backwards. "Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence."  If something that is claimed goes against established scientific laws, appears to violate some solidly held scientific principle like Conservation of Momentum or Conservation of Energy, then the claimant needs to provide solid evidence in support of those claims. It is not the responsibility for a debunker to provide anything except to state where the claims are inconsistent with reality. If you claim that _your_ apparatus, say, is a selfrunning permanent magnet motor with no outside source of power, and you provide instructions, and then I build one and it fails to work as you claim... you can always say that I didn't do something right, or make some other "special pleading" (a technical term) as an excuse for why my replication didn't work. It is entirely the claimant's responsibility to demonstrate that it _does_ work according to the claims.  If the claimant cannot do that.... it is he who is not credible. We've seen plenty of cases of that here.

TinselKoala

Quote from: MileHigh on January 05, 2016, 08:36:52 PM
Here are some YouTube clips that are somewhat related to this topic that are good food for thought.

What is open-mindedness?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T69TOuqaqXI

Important issues related to freedom of speech:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9vVohGWhMWs

Is there a similarity between "social justice warriors" and "free energy warriors?"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G5MPzQnokMU

See attached follow-up statement from Melissa Click.

That video from Thunderf00t is amazing. So you can just assault people on the MU campus and get away with it because you are female, and work for the University? Where are the lawyers? By 8 minutes into the clip I've already seen three clear cases of assault, by these "feminists". Pushing someone off a ledge? Incredible. Body-checking someone standing taking photographs, forcing him back? Making threats against his safety? Grabbing at the camera, calling in "muscle" against a journalist?
Where are the lawyers? Those "feminists" should do jail time, or at least be sued into poverty. And that "professor"... how is she keeping her job at the University? The other one, big blonde bully... how is she keeping her job? Unbelievable.