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car energy consume improvements

Started by lancaIV, July 02, 2016, 07:40:03 AM

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lancaIV

Why the promotion from the ,non comercial - only idea, ' kickstarter'-fiasco

https://www.autoevolution.com/news/the-vegan-hybrid-electric-self-charging-solar-trike-is-an-ev-unicorn-151240.html
' ... A rechargeable, hot-swappable acid-gel 88 Ah battery is good for 90 to 95 km (56 to 59 miles) on a single charge,..'

( 12 V x 88 Ah ) / 90 Km  =  1056 VAh / 90 Km ~ 12 VAh ( or Wh )/Km


As R&D-base for efficiency experiments !
Following same projects,improving the Wh/Km consume and range increase :

https://reg.solargroup.pro/de/news/posts/dvigatel-so-slavyankoi-i-solnecnye-batarei-podgotovitelnye-testy-viktora-arestova-823
Not Lijo ,Lojo ,Herr Arestov ! Sie verstehen und sprechen ja die deutsche Sprache !

Bei Nutzung der Batteriekapazität, ohne Aufladen, konnte das E-Auto 31,5 km fahren, dabei betrug spezifischer Stromverbrauch nur 40 Wattstunden pro Kilometer
' ....only 40 Wh per Kilometre ...'  :-\ ,only !?

https://m.globalsources.com/Electric-car/3kW-electric-car-1158198277p.htm
http://www.lojoev.com/en/about/?122.html
Lojo and/or Lujo !?  Mr . Jackton Lu is the Founder & CEO of Lujo (Weihai) EV R&D Co. Ltd. 

I am calculating with ' only 1.target : 10 Wh per Kilometre ,
Above 12 VAh x 0,7 rotorverter ≤ 10 VAh / Km

next step 5 Wh per Kilometre,final step :
Net Zero Wh/Km ' !

Probably the ' lojoev' ,in cooperation with Arestov,experiments with such a ' Vegan' and as drive a roto-r-verter
with motor-generator,each  with the double windings !

This gives the first target : 10 Wh/Km !

Next :

A wind turbine ( or 2x ) on tect,drag and resistance losts versus turbine conversion  gain :

https://i.pinimg.com/736x/e9/4f/a0/e94fa0ef9b103e8a160734e3b7288c99.jpg
and/or https://www.patentauction.com/patent.php?nb=15379

http://americanwindinc.com/case_study/testing-validity-of-microcube-power-output/

Herr Arestov,Ihre Konversion des konventionellen Windturbinengenerators zu Doppel-Windung und dessen Resultat hat mich beeindruckt,deshalb nun die Frage :

Gordon James,Trinitymotors.net ( web-archive,espacenet motor-generator) gibt an dasz 30% des inputs ueber den angekoppelten generator/alternator rekuperiert werden kann !
https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=1&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=20021121&CC=WO&NR=02093720A1&KC=A1#

100% in - 30% recuperation ~ net 70%

Gordon James concept mit James motor-Arestov double-windings generator/alternator ?
100% - ?% recuperation ~ net ....?

Imris capacitive coil motor-Arestov double-windings generator/alternator ?
https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=12&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=20110609&CC=DE&NR=112009002191A5&KC=A5#

1/2 100% in or 50% in - ? % recuperation ~ net ... ?


Motor : 100% net consume

Motor-Generator : 70% net consume

Imris Coil/Sabyasachi sc coil motor-Generator : 20 % net consume ?
https://worldwide.espacenet.com/patent/search/family/054832967/publication/WO2015189722A1?q=pn%3DWO2015189722A1

Imris Coil/Sabyasachi sc coil motor- Generator with David Yurth generator coil coating : 10% net consume ?
https://www.integrityresearchinstitute.org/CleanEnergy-Vesperman.pdf

page 5 from 33 pdf pages  Induction Coil Coating Increases Generator Output by One-Third ,David Yurth

mono-phase or triphase or polyphase output

http://www.rexresearch.com/yurth/yurth.html
Caution :    The technology may well work -- but hang on to your wallet : ........
https://www.linkedin.com/in/david-yurth-233312b1

Imris Coil/Sabyasachi sc coil motor- Tudor/Iida/Hara/Kumar Generator with/-out generator coil coating

The coupled generator alternatives :

https://ro.linkedin.com/in/florin-eugen-tudor-frunza-63941445

Kango Iida

https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=1&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=20040708&CC=JP&NR=2004194491A&KC=A#
Akio Hara

https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=0&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=20171229&CC=MY&NR=164491A&KC=A#

https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-m&sca_esv=571553989&q=winpro+akio+hara&oq=winpro+akio+hara&aqs=heirloom-srp..


                                                                     Net Zero Drive ?!
        Boat,car,drone on-board system :

Gordon James motor-generator and as renewable charge battery-genset :
https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=1&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=20021121&CC=WO&NR=02093720A1&KC=A1#

https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=2&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=20190328&CC=DE&NR=112017003611A5&KC=A5#

The importance from 'Net ( external) Zero (Energy ) Drive ' :

Atmosperic Water Generator drive,
heat pump/chiller drive,
CO2 scrubbing fans drive,
Mobile-Home/RV drive,.....

Die Zukunft der (Strassen-)Mobilitaet


For modeller,prototyper , experimenter I recommend to read :

https://translationportal.epo.org/emtp/translate/?ACTION=description-retrieval&COUNTRY=JP&ENGINE=google&FORMAT=docdb&KIND=A&LOCALE=en_EP&NUMBER=2004194491&OPS=ops.epo.org/3.2&SRCLANG=ja&TRGLANG=en

Too small constructed models can be a barrier to reach theorectical/on model measured efficiency values  !

Cloxxki

You're collecting a lot of links, but are you actually reading any of the pages? Or just the highlights? Looking up any words you don't know the deeper meaning of?
The 40 Wh/km was for a GOLF CART. Have you seen those? I'll help you with a graphical representation.

Golf carts are limited to low speeds, well under 23 kph usually, so is it soooo strange that they use 1/3 the energy per km of a 2.3 ton Lucid Air cruising at 80-90 kph?

Does this answer your question as to "why only 40 Wh/km", or are their greater mysteries to unravel here?

lancaIV

Fisher Island Golf cart type ( or Mini Moke or Citroen Mehari or VW Buggy ...)
to calculate per Km electric average consume,1967  !? Compared Arestov its Golf cart ' prototype' data ?

https://www.mlive.com/auto/2011/07/volt_schmolt_gold_cup_legend_g.html
2023 battery weight reduction,range by capacity increase improvement ?



Is the Lucid Air not useable as ( okay,for this function really fat ) Golf cart ?  ::)
Der 'Green' Platzwart/-host  :  :o ( Whole er sich selber in one )
Is the Arzen Egg as 100 Kg mobile  not ' Green'-appropriate  ' compact Golf cart'- alternative ? pro-/contra-arguments !?




You are really funny to think that by comparisons not all related points are read,analyzed and evaluated !
By them constructing parts to final product ,by us destructing products to its material parts ! Re-Engineering !

cw,speed max,acceleration 0-30/0-50/0-80/0-100 ,weight,range,passenger/-s,..... !
Material,functional working lifetime ,..... .Street surface material,dry/wet track,wind,.... 
Flat path,hill driving

Lab value/street value,consume/Km ,base 130 Km• h

https://m.arenaev.com/57_electric_cars_range_tested_at_highway_speeds__who_wins_part_2-news-1905.php

In all cities geral 30-40 Km•h peak tempo zones castrates ( Premium = Max.Potential Impotenz Class)all this overpowered engines and overweighted
-compact mass-transportation devices !



When not promoted ' all in one-saloon'-car  a low weight 4wheel car/t,a 3wheeler,an (assisted)ebicycle,bicycle,e-monocycle,walking !?


Cri-Cri weight,empty,150 Kg :
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colomban_Cri-cri

I do not think that ' 3 passengers Air VTOL Cars' will weight over 500 Kg !
https://prismz.com/       to ' flying car' -plans  ;)

The Matra Bagheera was and is my only buyed car !I am not car owner ! I am sometimes driving a car !
I have ( 4,5,6 ,...donated) phones,which I do not use !I have (4,5,6 ,.... own buyed/donated) watches ,which are well deposited,body-internal bio-clock using !
1 private household,3 computer (donated),1 user !

Less stress ! Multiple choice !

wmbr
OCWL

Cloxxki

"Fisher Island Golf cart type ( or Mini Moke or Citroen Mehari or VW Buggy ...)
to calculate per Km electric average consume,1967  !? Compared Arestov its Golf cart ' prototype' data ?"

Can anyone decode this for me, please? Let alone the rest of that post?

I showed that it's not that strange for a golf cart to take 40 Wh/km when we get big luxury cars which at a significant cruise velocity cruise at 120 Wh/km. The physics, to me, seem to check out just fine. It was used as the baseline for someone's research, but it seems to be taken as some sort of mystery accomplishment in new energy?

lancaIV

Quote from: Cloxxki on October 09, 2023, 08:58:06 AM
"Fisher Island Golf cart type ( or ~ level Mini Moke or Citroen Mehari or VW Buggy ...)

http://media.mlive.com/auto_impact/photo/9778034-large.jpg
https://www.motor24.pt/noticias/lembra-se-do-mini-moke-o-classico-das-praias-esta-de-volta/1371637/
https://de.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citro%C3%ABn_M%C3%A9hari

https://www.eastcoastbuggies.co.uk/


to calculate per Km electric average consume,1967  !? Compared Arestov its Golf cart ' prototype' data ?"

Can anyone decode this for me, please? Let alone the rest of that post?

I showed that it's not that strange for a golf cart to take 40 Wh/km when we get big luxury cars which at a significant cruise velocity cruise at 120 Wh/km. The physics, to me, seem to check out just fine. It was used as the baseline for someone's research, but it seems to be taken as some sort of mystery accomplishment in new energy?
There is little mystery in public offered low consume car/-t/-s information :



≤1 Wh electric /Km as lowest possible,average 25 Km•h  ! But more a 1-passenger-coffin-on-3/4-wheels !

But : technical-physical the possibility confirmed/approved !



24 hours ( quasi non-stop) human drive by average 40 Km•h,non-electric,biochemical !


best case/worst case appropriate solution tolerance

A german,Munich ,start up,developping an humanoid !
Nothing special !? Boston Dynamics,EVA1,2,Tesla 'Optimus' !
What is by them specially ?
https://www.altenpflege-online.net/soziale-roboter-pflegeheim-testet-modell-mit-kuenstlicher-intelligenz/

The robot/humanoid assists,as second human body substitution !
Being thousands Km with human body absent,with humanoid body present !
Home-office and work-office,two in one,distance unlimited ( outer Planet Earth !?)
The humanoid does not need high intelligence integrated,the humanoid-conductor ,the human ,mandates !

The humanoid as semi-autonomous object does not need much transportation space,the above 1-passenger-coffin, full- autonomous self-controled , sufficient enough !

We can decrease 90% city traffic by video-conference service and virtual industry work,' virtual school/university education', car-seat capacity-share !
Up to less 90%  new car production and car use pollution ! And car expense !